K2-18b is a nothing burger. The scientist who made the announcement has done similar before, he seems to really want to be THE person who discovers life on another planet so he skews facts and ignores other facts just for the small chance of being right.
Watch this:
youtu.be/HYjYvKoQVeM
theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 13:43
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cybervseas@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 20:47
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To each his own, and though I have never consumed any kind of drugs nor think I ever will (nor can’t understand the need of drugs beyond medical field, pretty much contrary of what it is stated in the quote of this post), I concede keeping it illegal while at the same time alcohol and nicotine are both completely legal is one of the reasons I still think our so-called “civilization” is extremely idiotic, mediocre and pathetic. Either make all of them legal but regulate their consumption or make it so it never bothers anyone else or anything else in any way, or make all of them illegal - but the disparity of current legislation about all of them around the world is just nonsense.
silasmariner@programming.dev
on 21 Apr 09:04
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Are they completely legal though? They’re age-restricted everywhere I can think of, and you can’t drive or operate heavy machinery under their influence. So they’re, like, legal but with a couple of caveats?
That is the “legal, but with regulations, make it not bother anyone else” part.
Illegal simply means that if you have/consume said substance, there would be legal consequences (fines, imprisonment).
These restrictions and rules of use don’t make the drug itself illegal, they just make it illegal to use in certain scenarios.
silasmariner@programming.dev
on 21 Apr 12:02
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Yeah, sure, but it’s obviously a matter of degree. Ketamine is illegal to use in certain scenarios and also a front-line medical treatment. Chocolate, OTOH, has absolutely no restrictions that I’m aware of. I admit that I’m just nitpicking language choice here, though, and there was no need for me to say anything
My leisure time only happens to be productive. I don’t remember the last time I put on some cartoons because I smoked weed like people say. That’s not who I am when I smoke and it’s fine to point that out.
I must ask why; the prohibition of it doesn’t make any sense to me at all. It’s all but proven fact that it’s not any more harmful than either smoking cigarettes, or drinking alcohol.
Both of which are completely legal to consume all day, every day.
Weed simply doesn’t deserve the status it is given, it was placed on schedule 1 as a gigantic middle finger from the ruling class, against the working class. They did it to punish those they saw as their lessers, and so they could have the police rough up anyone because they owned a small amount of the substance. But the cigarettes and alcohol they’ve enjoyed for decades and many of them have profited from? Those are fine. This new thing (at the time) that they aren’t profiting off of? Let’s make it illegal, so we can force everyone to use the things we do profit from.
That’s basically the backstory here.
Why you, or anyone would oppose lifting that prohibition is confusing at best, racist/classest at worst.
I’m genuinely curious how you have come to have the position you do. If you don’t like it, nobody is going to force you to use the stuff, same with alcohol and cigarettes. So why do you care?
The one and only time I ever had a boss/supervisor ask me if I was high on the job, was the one day I showed up sober. And then when I said I wasn’t he was like “that sucks; I am.” 🤣
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Apr 17:47
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I’m on year 11 of pulling this off lmao.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:03
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If you need marijuana to “produce insight” then that is a problem for you. It is best that we keep dangerous drugs off the street through any means.
ah yes the myriad dangers of eating too many cookies and falling asleep watching nature documentaries
this scourge must end!
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:14
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The actual damage that it does do through impaired driving causes actual damage through killing innocent people as well as contributes to laziness.
ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net
on 20 Apr 23:24
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So you’re also arguing alcohol should be banned?
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:30
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I am not currently arguing that as that is not the subject being discussed on this post, but yes, I do support banning alcohol and think it absolutely should be a goal to eliminate all of these useless materials that lead only to death of innocent individuals, abuse, and crime.
ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net
on 20 Apr 23:43
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Well no, if you wanted to keep the discussion to marijuana then you should have stuck to actual criticisms of the drug instead of criticising potential consequences of misuse, which can apply to a lot of things. Driving unimpaired also kills innocent people, do you think driving should be banned?
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:48
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Can we eliminate misuse? We have to look at it in the real word and the real word shows that misuse would occur like it does with alcohol. Unless misuse could be prevented then marijuana ought to be kept illegal.
Can we eliminate the negative consequences of a war on drugs? We have to look at in the real world and the real world shows that wars on drugs create huge slave labor prison systems for victimless crimes. Unless capitalism has been abolished then drugs wars ought to be opposed
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:01
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When did I say that we should oppose it in that way? I am saying that marijuana is a social ill. And that it ought to be opposed. It should be opposed by going after distributors, education, and social support for users while also aiming to disrupt the social norms that encourage it. Marijuana is and has been illegal and opposed in many AES states as well for example.
there’s no other way to oppose it without harsh criminalization. If the punishments are light slaps on the wrists then people will just continue doing it, but in unregulated black markets with more criminal elements.
All you do is hand over an ever increasing marketshare to criminal organizations. If you attempt to crack down hard on those organizations, you get a drug war. Congratulations, you have just understood history of drugs and why your opinions are that of an ancient reactionary
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:32
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Drug war in the United States focused on the end consumer and was often more about targeting minorities than the drug. Harsh criminalization for distributors is best while making it nearly impossible to attain and education users (and parents) about the dangers. Combined with random drug tests and free treatment centers we can end drug addiction.
Drug war in the United States focused on the end consumer
Not true really. The emphasis of legal punishment was always on distribution and retail. Problem is, tens of millions of people “dealt weed” because it was profitable to buy it in bulk and sell it to your friends. Every single person knows 100 people from their high school or college they could get weed from. Millions of people were put into prison for low level drug selling offenses.
more about targeting minorities than the drug.
No shit, we live in a racist fascist nation. Any legal apparatus assembled to punish the poor via class war will disproportionally fall upon the minority classes which are poor. So will whatever drug enforcement scheme you have in mind.
Harsh criminalization for distributors is best while making it nearly impossible to attain
You want to put tens of millions of children and young adults who have done nothing except buy a pound of weed from their cousin and sell eighths to their friends into jail to be enslaved.
Combined with random drug tests and free treatment centers we can end drug addiction.
So you want to infringe on people’s bodies and take their fluids at gunpoint? You are a fascist freak if you think this should actually be enforced. Oh I’m sure it wouldn’t be on anyone, just those people
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:45
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That is a problem with the current state. In a future socialist state we can eliminate it without these issues. If a couple people face punishments for selling a drug, I am hardly going to be opposed to that. Marijuana kills many people so they deserve to face just a little bit of the harm that they helped contribute to. Drug tests hardly infringe of people’s bodies. Do you know what does? Hitting someone in a car because a driver was high. Random drug tests are one of the best tools we have to eliminate drug sales. The only other method that would be anywhere near as a effective would be the government undercutting suppliers by selling at a lose and poisoning it but there are many potential ethical issues with that don’t exist with random drug tests. Not to mention that I specifically referred to treatment centers rather than prisons which you conveniently forget about.
That is a problem with the current state. In a future socialist state we can eliminate it without these issues.
You started this entire thread by saying “Dangerous drugs need to be kept off the streets through any means”. Present tense. Any means. Don’t play stupid, we don’t live in a future socialist state. We live in the existing racist, fascist capitalist one that has demonstrably only used the drug war to create mass systems of enslavement. So why don’t you shut the fuck up about hypothetical idealist futures and talk about existing reality? Are you even a marxist with this utopian idealist nonsense?
The only other method that would be anywhere near as a effective would be the government undercutting suppliers by selling at a lose and poisoning it
The fact that this insane fascist tactic is on the table for you is nuts. Why even mention this shit? This is my line, the evil shit the prohibition governments do to its own people in the name of “protecting” them. Why would you go ahead and mention it when it’s farcically evil?
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 05:29
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In the existing reality, this method is still preferable to the current status quo as it would be effective still. You aren’t going to stop racism by legalizing drugs but you are going to let many, many innocent people be killed and exploited by junkies and the seller gangs and cartels. Clearly ignoring the problem isn’t working so stepping up the game is the next step.
Z_Poster365@hexbear.net
on 20 Apr 23:29
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Yes, so does lack of sleep. Put anyone in jail who pulls an all nighter. By your arguments, we should have sleep monitors on every single person since you think we should be drug testing the entire population constantly. Anybody who refuses the sleep monitors or who doesn’t get a good nights rest will be put into mandatory “sleep rehabilitation”. If they refuse, they go to jail to be enslaved to do dangerous work for no money.
It’s weird you can’t see that just because “not sleeping is unhealthy” and “you shouldn’t drive while tired” are both true statements, you can’t make that into law without becoming a freakish draconian tyranny.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:35
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That is much harder to regulate. If someone is driving while tired then they also should be facing other sanctions.
if someone is driving while high then they should face consequences, but otherwise no crime has been committed. You can’t just do pre-crime to justify your views. Something can’t be made illegal because someone might later do something different that is illegal.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:42
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How do you prevent that? Look at alcohol and how many people drive drunk. Marijuana can remain in your system for over 24 hours (even longer possibly) and many people will drive a car/a bike/go out in public. Not to mention that marijuana is often used in sexual assaults (adai.uw.edu/pubs/pdf/2017mj_sexualassault.pdf). I think that users deserve treatment and support rather than just off to prison but that shouldn’t make us act like the drug is some good benefit to society.
How do you prevent that? Look at alcohol and how many people drive drunk
Then ban alcohol. I’d love to see you try and eat shit the same way they did a hundred years ago when you developed your worldview
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:47
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Banning alcohol absolutely should be done and has only failed due to half-assed enforcement and lack of social support. We should be supporting addicts with treatment centers and educating on the harms. That is the best way to eliminate it.
Not only that, but banning alcohol made it more dangerous because moonshiners and bootleggers resorted to making more and more potent alcohol for transport discretely. The same thing is happening with opioids now. The rise in fentanyl is precisely because it’s more potent so it gets concentrated and easier to smuggle and then dilute/cut at its destination, but then of course people start doing the uncut/pure stuff and die.
distracted driving impairs your ability to operate a vehicle significantly, better ban talking to passengers!
or you know. just invest in public transit instead and ban cars.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:45
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Do you want a bunch of marijuana smokers on public transit with you? Exposing others to the dangerous smoke and causing such a noxious odor? Even if you ban cars they still are too impaired for things like bikes which cannot be easily done away with.
“Mass shooters at Rep. Gabby Giffords’s constituent meeting in Tucson, Ariz. (2011), a movie theater in Aurora, Colo. (2012), the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla. (2016), the First Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Texas (2017), and Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. (2018), were reported to be marijuana users.” (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9462911/). They are apt to commit violent crimes beyond just what they do on the roads.
ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net
on 20 Apr 23:50
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Sib please get on a fucking bus once in your life. You are not allowed to smoke on them, marijuana or no.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:53
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When I am on trains or subways there are often other passengers with smoke on their clothes, this is still terrible.
as someone who suffers pretty frequent migraines i can agree that it’s no fun when people are stinky in public. you don’t hear me calling for a ban on perfumes, colognes, axe body spray (showing my age here probably) etc, etc, etc.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:48
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If the smell was the only issue I would agree with you but marijuana causes violence and death in a way that those don’t
in my experience it was mostly used by assholes to tear gas a whole locker room by puncturing the can and then blockading the door so no one can escape
i think this is the only time in my life i’ve ever encountered someone who isn’t an arch conservative try to make the claim that weed contributes to sexual assault (per your argument elsewhere in the thread) and mass murder. did your parents leave you in a locked room with nothing but reefer madness for entertainment as a kid or something?
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:29
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No, I look at the actual evidence that marijuana causes violence in things like domestic abuse (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7525024/) as well as being tied to bipolar disorder and schizophrenia (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7084484), both of which cause violent actions. I think that we should support users in trying to get off it and focus on education rather than criminalization but it is dangerous none-the-less.
Z_Poster365@hexbear.net
on 21 Apr 00:34
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correlation doesn’t equal causation. weed is very popular and used hundreds of millions of times every day, of course it will be co-existing with all the realities of the world. It doesn’t mean that it causes them.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:40
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It causes slower reaction times. People still attempt to drive/ride a bike even with alcohol so they will likely do so with marijuana. There is substantial evidence tying its usage to violence and mental illness. That is reason enough to oppose it
By your logic you would also be stripping people of a bunch of culturally significant substances used in ceremonies etc. Just take the L here you’re extremely wrong and this is just entirely a bad faith argument at this point.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 01:03
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First off, exceptions could be made for it in such cases and secondly, protecting people’s lives are more important
There are also mountains of evidence that cannabis has medicinal uses. Guess what also impairs you: Pain killers and any other number of medicines. You just are being reductive and contrarian and crusading against cannabis like a boomer on 4/20 of all days. I was half convinced this was a bit but I think you are actually this stupid.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 02:44
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This post isn’t talking about medicinal uses. We should aim for medicinal drugs to be acquired through doctors with prescriptions, not bought from a gang at a street corner like marijuana. But no, I guess personal attacks are more fun than thinking
Z_Poster365@hexbear.net
on 21 Apr 04:28
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not bought from a gang at a street corner like marijuana
What year do you think it is? Lmao you are so sheltered and it shows
So you also advocate making alchool illegal? (overwhelming evidence of alcohol contributing to violence, domestic of otherwise) Note how I wrote “contribute” and not cause.
Human behavioural problems are complicated as well as their causes. Blaming them solely on substances is dishonest and steers us away from the real causes.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 10:49
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We aren’t discussing alcohol. I obviously oppose it and also support criminalizing it with fierce aggression but that’s completely irrelevant to this discussion, there are many other things I also support criminalizing
Who is advocating letting people drive high? Just like with alcohol, it should have a time and a place and it should be a crime to operate a vehicle under its influence.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 10:48
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If a substance is legal then people will drive on it. Look at it when it comes to alcohol. Drunk driving is illegal but thousands still do it constantly
They are driving under it even if it is illegal. The legality won’t change that.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 14:07
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Except it is effectively legal. When a group of chickens are sick a farmer will cull them. We need the same thing for these addicts. The issue is that they walk and spread the disease of addiction even after doing this
I used to live with someone who smoke it on a regular basis. One day I went to bed, and my room-mate stayed on the garden, smoking his joint. When I woke up, the sandwich I prepared for my breakfast was… gone.
Are you getting the full picture? An addict stole the sustenance of a poor victim, due to his illegal psychoactive substance usage! Cannabis is danger! Cannabis is steal! Don’t cannabis! Or if you do, prepare the munchies beforehand.
[To be fair with him, on the same day he prepared me a way better sandwich as apology. And it isn’t like I went to the uni hungry, at morning I just whipped up some egg farofa and problem solved.]
Z_Poster365@hexbear.net
on 20 Apr 23:28
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dangerous? lmao
you have the worldview of a victorian era spinster
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:32
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Slowing a response system clearly isn’t socially advantageous in any society where people are going to be operating any method of transportation like cars, bikes etc etc. I wouldn’t have a major opposition to it if people didn’t habitually attempt to leave the house while still high. Not to mention the consumption of it exposing others to chemicals through air pollution.
these also expose others to risk of death by explosion as gas stoves require gas pipes which blow up every so often, usually taking a few houses with it
You didn’t even include the most obvious one from San Bernardino. That one still haunts me. Luckily it happened in midday with surprisingly few casualties but a gas line blew up like a whole suburban block.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 20 Apr 23:47
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Indoor cooking serves a social purpose that marijuana doesn’t. We can’t just do away with it. As for the other things, they are already legal most places, if they were illegal I would most certainly oppose legalizing them and cigarettes should also be banned for the innocent people they kill through causing impaired driving and exposing innocent people to their smoke.
Z_Poster365@hexbear.net
on 21 Apr 00:28
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Indoor cooking serves a social purpose that marijuana doesn’t
So because you personally see no utility in something, nobody in society can benefit from it as they see fit. This is your reactionary boomer mind poking through. Taking selfish simplifications and extrapolating to them to everyone to enforce social control. You must recognize this is boomer behavior you are exhibiting. The exact logic is used to justify homophobia and transphobia.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:33
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Indoor cooking is a nearly universal concept that there is not an easy replacement for in the majority of cases. Eliminating marijuana is much more achievable.
if it’s so achievable then why hasn’t it been done despite the most authoritarian police state in world history with a surveillance state and billions in funding? Despite putting millions into jail for it to bring our prison population to the highest in human history?
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:47
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Because keeping people as offenders makes more money. Jails aren’t designed to help stop crimes. We should be using free treatment centers and education primarily.
What happens when people refuse treatment and ignore your “education” DARE initiatives?
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 05:30
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If someone refuses help then it doesn’t matter, as long as they are kept away from the rest of society. Jail/labor camps would probably make the most sense. If someone doesn’t want help then you can’t help them even if you try
big time yeah, but so does smoking. for that matter, so does alcohol.
We can’t just do away with it.
sure we could! we can just do it outside.
ngl if all you’ve got is “well these things are legal and this one isn’t” then i’m deeply uninterested. “but it’s illegal!” okay so what? in the u.s. at least those laws were created explicitly to target and demonize black people and progressive movements. i listed the things i did bc they’re all harmful to human health in one way or another. candles put out a similar level of air pollution to smoking cigarettes inside. campfires? oh you better believe that shit is terrible for you. my point is that you’re not really being honest about the reasoning behind your beliefs. it’s okay to say “i think this should be banned because i don’t like it.” maybe nobody will agree with you! maybe they will. at least it would be truthful.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:38
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I am not using the law as a justification but rather saying that something already being socially unacceptable for the majority of people and already being illegal is easier to counteract than something that these is no base for its elimination already. It is easier to oppose something already illegal than saying we should eliminate something from scratch even if I agree with you that it ought to be eliminated long term. Smoking and alcohol do not serve the same purpose as cooking and are unnecessary and easily replaceable.
rapidly losing interest here but illegality in no way corresponds to social unacceptability. i’m not sure why you would ever make the mistake of conflating the two tbh.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 00:49
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Marijuana is socially unacceptable by many people outside of those in criminal circles and it’s level of acceptability can be counteracted through media and education
we banned them from HB hopefully the lemmygrad mods nuke their account too, this is such hilarious like 1930s era reactionary nonsense it’s hilarious. This motherfucker watched Reefer Madness and thought it was a documentary lol.
If you need coffee to have energy in the morning that is a problem for you.
And yes, coffee is a drug and it can be dangerous as well.
As Amaerica showed during the Prohibition and as we see today with opioids, humans will always want to alter their consciouness, no matter the cost. Legalizing drugs along with treating addiction as a disease and not a crime, would be a net positive.
Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Apr 10:54
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Legalizing it encourages its consumption. There were high rates of people going to the ER with marijuana induced psychosis after legalizing in California (something where people probably would have been brought to the ER either way)
Calling someone out for spewing bullshit does not make you a sympathizer.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee
on 21 Apr 02:56
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Although I don’t agree with illegalization of cannabis, I do have to point out that thc content has gotten dangerously high from like a decade ago. Before, it was like 4%, now it’s nearing 19%. So I don’t feel comfortable recommending people to start recreationally smoking marijuana. It leads to serious mental issues and addiction in some cases. What triggers those “some cases” I don’t know but I don’t really want to try and find out.
Lemminary@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 03:31
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I’ve been a huge pothead for decades and I honestly haven’t noticed an increase in content while smoking regular weed. I think that’s the branded stuff that sends you out of orbit.
But if it has changed, that just means I smoke less to get to the high I like by smoking the equivalent of one joint during the day. It’s so much less smoke for my lungs this way, I’m not complaining. Lol
When I was a stoner I just reached a point where it didn’t effect me the same way.
Like I would smoke more but it would just be the same level high …but I felt like I needed it any time I did anything. Maybe I didn’t increase my bowl size much but the frequency increased.
Looking back it was such a a waste of my time and money. I was trying to chase this medicinal effect I was reading about but I never found it.
I still use it, but I don’t use it during the day like before.
anonApril2025@lemmy.zip
on 21 Apr 04:00
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Edible packaging informs of THC content in milligrams.
you know you can just smoke/vape 5x less material, right? i’m personally not a fan of the “high THC-A % at all costs” commercial grows and there is a wonderful variety of 3% or less CBD hemp or type 2s with 4%
you know you can just smoke/vape 5x less material, right?
this is very true and something i practice myself, using as little as possible
and yet… that’s not how most people use the drug. meth is similar! did you know that if you were to microdose meth you could theoretically use it as an ADHD medication? and yet where are all the microdosers? why does my city have a rampant meth problem?
thankfully cannabis is not nearly as destructive as meth but the parent comment is right: cannabis is becoming more and more problematic in people’s lives due to the high THC content and the cultural rubber banding effect. we’ve gotta reckon with the fact that this miracle drug is still a drug that messes with our NT systems quite a bit
Really nice thing for us green dragon enthusiasts though.
te_abstract_art@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 07:12
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And this rising potency is a direct consequence of cannabis being illegal. Producers are breeding stronger and stronger strains with higher THC content and lower CBD to get the most bang for their buck. This is true for all illicit drugs, as they tend towards becoming more potent when they need to be smuggled (e.g. why fentanyl is often added to heroin, as it delivers more potency per gram).
If you legalise and regulate it, suddenly that pressure is taken away. Cannabis is produced in consistent and known strengths, distributed in packaging that clearly states the potency so people can make informed choices about what they take.
And this rising potency is a direct consequence of cannabis being illegal. Producers are breeding stronger and stronger strains with higher THC content and lower CBD to get the most bang for their buck.
this isnt exactly true. (my instinct is to say it’s completely false but i could be wrong!) in many states, it’s medical marijuana that is >20% THC and the cheap public stuff is unregulated below that amount. so you have people getting a bogus medical card, buying up 30% strands, and smoking an ounce a week and going into psychosis. source: stoner drug counselor
historically, yes! that was definitely a motivator. but the current system perpetuates it deeply
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Apr 12:17
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just guessing here, but I’d think it’s getting perpetuated, as people expect or are used to the potent stuff.
Also not sure if the price is adjusted to strength, but I’d also suspect that people would buy stronger stuff and use less of it, so it lasts longer
I’m sure many do but unfortunately i haven’t met or heard about any of it… whether it’s in the world or on r/trees or wherever. People rolling up giant blunts, etc. it’s crazy the way people overindulge! they say it’s spiritual and then binge on it… it’s like downing an entire bottle of communion wine lol
The street market and mainstream market both rely on structure and tactics.
Look at shitty foods. They don’t need to be shitty… It wasn’t prohibition that made food unhealthy. But they made them that way.
Look at our news, it doesn’t have to be filled with shitty entertainment tactics and drama, but it is and it’s unhealthy to our society.
Addiction and emotion is marketed regardless of mainstream or street.
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee
on 21 Apr 16:44
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I keep hearing that it’s supposed to be much stronger these days, but my experience is just the opposite.
I was a heavy weed smoker in my young years, smoking standard generic pressbud, and it got me nicely stoned. I even had a couple of years where I was growing my own, so I’m very experienced with fresh homegrown weed, which was beautiful. Tasted great, with a very satisfying intense high. Then I quit smoking for a few decades.
I recently started smoking again in my retirement, and was looking forward to trying this stronger weed I was hearing about. I’ve tried legal weed from various states, and none of it gets me nearly as stoned as the cheap pressbud of my youth.
This is just anecdotal, but that’s been my experience.
I also have anecdotal stories of my friend’s life being ruined by weed addiction. We can all have some anecdotal evidence but more scientific evidence is coming out saying that there are higher levels of thc and if younger children smoke weed it will fuck them up. I do agree that using marijuana cautiously and medicinally can help but I can’t possibly recommend smoking for fun.
I biased against meth, but also afraid of it as well. Doesn’t mean I’m going to go out of my way to try it and assess whether it’s really as bad as they say. I also won’t try out any poison, random pills I find, or anything I have to inject.
smokingpistol@lemm.ee
on 21 Apr 03:07
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Boston city hall
RedFrank24@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 12:11
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Sensitivity and fellowship, yet my (former) friend who is a big stoner has gone all-in on conspiracy theories and is championing the Reform party in the UK because Labour are apparently race traitors. Guess weed can’t do all the lifting.
Kinda blows my mind that capitalists so desperately want marijuana to be illegal. It’s basically the closest real-world analogue to Brave New World’s Soma.
You want the populace to be complacent? You need to let em blaze it.
sunflowercowboy@feddit.org
on 21 Apr 17:32
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This is why I really fear it. Then again it helped me find god. Which i then realized structurally does create the complacent worker through pacifying rather than inciting any real change. So I am back to thinking it is a crutch.
Weed leads to more open mindedness. Why bother using it as an opiate of the masses when you have actual opiates. Push those instead while throwing anyone who has touched weed into the private slave system for superprofits.
sebbagonzalez@lemm.ee
on 21 Apr 15:38
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niktemadur@lemmy.world
on 21 Apr 22:09
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Did Sagan say that in writing? I know he wrote a few things about his experiences with pot, but those were informal, anecdotal writings, and this sounds much more formal, almost like a public statement meant for publication, or a speech.
If there is one thing weed is really good at, it is making people okay with being lazy and with their current situation. LSD on the otherhand, can really make you rethink everything.
what’s wrong with being content and finding peace? The productivity drive has been driven into you by capitalism and leads to mass discontentment and suffering. One must detach from endless striving to achieve true enlightenment and happiness, and weed can do that and chill people out and cure them of their “protestant work ethic” which is a cultural disease.
Inherent in this type of “weed makes you lazy” rhetoric is that it makes other people lazy. You want everyone else working endlessly and tirelessly implicitly here, that they must face endless burden for your benefit. It’s a form of social control where you are attempting to force your values onto others instead of respecting their right to chose what they do with their own body and life.
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on 21 Apr 22:52
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I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s causal, but it could also be that more naturally empathetic people trend towards weed to cope with the reality that our society is brutal and predatory and uncaring. I know I need weed just to cope with living in a fascist society where almost everyone around me shrugs their shoulders at genocide.
Also it could be shared confounding variables like the fact that more poor, young and POC people smoke, and old rich white people have drained themselves of all empathy
Or its really bad for organizing and actually fighting capitalism because you are sedated and are okay with the exploitation since you can cope with weed after a long day of work. Revolution takes effort and trust me people on weed are not motivated to do shit and are not very social either.
Weed is not the solution to fighting capitalism, it helps the capitalist by making people complaicent and actionless. The only real benefit would be a union strike, where you actually should do nothing. But to organize something like that takes effort and time and motivation.
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Wish we could smoke with you now and talk about K2-18b.
hell yea
You still can. You probably have at least one atom from Carl in you by now.
I hope it’s in my weiner
Better give him a good wank just in case
Way ahead of ya
Thanks for blasting Carl Sagan in the ether!
K2-18b is a nothing burger. The scientist who made the announcement has done similar before, he seems to really want to be THE person who discovers life on another planet so he skews facts and ignores other facts just for the small chance of being right. Watch this: youtu.be/HYjYvKoQVeM
:(
Space Kermit was pretty far out there, man.
Boston City Hall is truly a legendarily gaudy building.
I was thinking what this magnificent brutalist building is
Yeah, that's one of the things that I disagree about with the world's most senior space cadet.
To each his own, and though I have never consumed any kind of drugs nor think I ever will (nor can’t understand the need of drugs beyond medical field, pretty much contrary of what it is stated in the quote of this post), I concede keeping it illegal while at the same time alcohol and nicotine are both completely legal is one of the reasons I still think our so-called “civilization” is extremely idiotic, mediocre and pathetic. Either make all of them legal but regulate their consumption or make it so it never bothers anyone else or anything else in any way, or make all of them illegal - but the disparity of current legislation about all of them around the world is just nonsense.
Are they completely legal though? They’re age-restricted everywhere I can think of, and you can’t drive or operate heavy machinery under their influence. So they’re, like, legal but with a couple of caveats?
That is the “legal, but with regulations, make it not bother anyone else” part.
Illegal simply means that if you have/consume said substance, there would be legal consequences (fines, imprisonment).
These restrictions and rules of use don’t make the drug itself illegal, they just make it illegal to use in certain scenarios.
Yeah, sure, but it’s obviously a matter of degree. Ketamine is illegal to use in certain scenarios and also a front-line medical treatment. Chocolate, OTOH, has absolutely no restrictions that I’m aware of. I admit that I’m just nitpicking language choice here, though, and there was no need for me to say anything
How come?
TBF, just imagine what a place the world would be if the world leader’s idea of quality downtime would be a fat bong, Cartoon Channel and pizza.
And here I am studying Kanji instead while high off my ass. Lol
Either my fellow stoners need to broaden their horizons or we have terrible stereotypes about weed smokers. 😅
People don’t need to make their leisure time productive.
My leisure time only happens to be productive. I don’t remember the last time I put on some cartoons because I smoked weed like people say. That’s not who I am when I smoke and it’s fine to point that out.
I must ask why; the prohibition of it doesn’t make any sense to me at all. It’s all but proven fact that it’s not any more harmful than either smoking cigarettes, or drinking alcohol.
Both of which are completely legal to consume all day, every day.
Weed simply doesn’t deserve the status it is given, it was placed on schedule 1 as a gigantic middle finger from the ruling class, against the working class. They did it to punish those they saw as their lessers, and so they could have the police rough up anyone because they owned a small amount of the substance. But the cigarettes and alcohol they’ve enjoyed for decades and many of them have profited from? Those are fine. This new thing (at the time) that they aren’t profiting off of? Let’s make it illegal, so we can force everyone to use the things we do profit from.
That’s basically the backstory here.
Why you, or anyone would oppose lifting that prohibition is confusing at best, racist/classest at worst.
I’m genuinely curious how you have come to have the position you do. If you don’t like it, nobody is going to force you to use the stuff, same with alcohol and cigarettes. So why do you care?
When I show up to an in-person interview high, in hopes they’ll think that’s my regular behavior:
I mean… if you are always high then that isn’t wrong is it?
The one and only time I ever had a boss/supervisor ask me if I was high on the job, was the one day I showed up sober. And then when I said I wasn’t he was like “that sucks; I am.” 🤣
I’m on year 11 of pulling this off lmao.
If you need marijuana to “produce insight” then that is a problem for you. It is best that we keep dangerous drugs off the street through any means.
ah yes the myriad dangers of eating too many cookies and falling asleep watching nature documentaries
this scourge must end!
The actual damage that it does do through impaired driving causes actual damage through killing innocent people as well as contributes to laziness.
So you’re also arguing alcohol should be banned?
I am not currently arguing that as that is not the subject being discussed on this post, but yes, I do support banning alcohol and think it absolutely should be a goal to eliminate all of these useless materials that lead only to death of innocent individuals, abuse, and crime.
Well no, if you wanted to keep the discussion to marijuana then you should have stuck to actual criticisms of the drug instead of criticising potential consequences of misuse, which can apply to a lot of things. Driving unimpaired also kills innocent people, do you think driving should be banned?
Can we eliminate misuse? We have to look at it in the real word and the real word shows that misuse would occur like it does with alcohol. Unless misuse could be prevented then marijuana ought to be kept illegal.
Can we eliminate the negative consequences of a war on drugs? We have to look at in the real world and the real world shows that wars on drugs create huge slave labor prison systems for victimless crimes. Unless capitalism has been abolished then drugs wars ought to be opposed
When did I say that we should oppose it in that way? I am saying that marijuana is a social ill. And that it ought to be opposed. It should be opposed by going after distributors, education, and social support for users while also aiming to disrupt the social norms that encourage it. Marijuana is and has been illegal and opposed in many AES states as well for example.
there’s no other way to oppose it without harsh criminalization. If the punishments are light slaps on the wrists then people will just continue doing it, but in unregulated black markets with more criminal elements.
All you do is hand over an ever increasing marketshare to criminal organizations. If you attempt to crack down hard on those organizations, you get a drug war. Congratulations, you have just understood history of drugs and why your opinions are that of an ancient reactionary
Drug war in the United States focused on the end consumer and was often more about targeting minorities than the drug. Harsh criminalization for distributors is best while making it nearly impossible to attain and education users (and parents) about the dangers. Combined with random drug tests and free treatment centers we can end drug addiction.
Not true really. The emphasis of legal punishment was always on distribution and retail. Problem is, tens of millions of people “dealt weed” because it was profitable to buy it in bulk and sell it to your friends. Every single person knows 100 people from their high school or college they could get weed from. Millions of people were put into prison for low level drug selling offenses.
No shit, we live in a racist fascist nation. Any legal apparatus assembled to punish the poor via class war will disproportionally fall upon the minority classes which are poor. So will whatever drug enforcement scheme you have in mind.
You want to put tens of millions of children and young adults who have done nothing except buy a pound of weed from their cousin and sell eighths to their friends into jail to be enslaved.
So you want to infringe on people’s bodies and take their fluids at gunpoint? You are a fascist freak if you think this should actually be enforced. Oh I’m sure it wouldn’t be on anyone, just those people
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That is a problem with the current state. In a future socialist state we can eliminate it without these issues. If a couple people face punishments for selling a drug, I am hardly going to be opposed to that. Marijuana kills many people so they deserve to face just a little bit of the harm that they helped contribute to. Drug tests hardly infringe of people’s bodies. Do you know what does? Hitting someone in a car because a driver was high. Random drug tests are one of the best tools we have to eliminate drug sales. The only other method that would be anywhere near as a effective would be the government undercutting suppliers by selling at a lose and poisoning it but there are many potential ethical issues with that don’t exist with random drug tests. Not to mention that I specifically referred to treatment centers rather than prisons which you conveniently forget about.
You started this entire thread by saying “Dangerous drugs need to be kept off the streets through any means”. Present tense. Any means. Don’t play stupid, we don’t live in a future socialist state. We live in the existing racist, fascist capitalist one that has demonstrably only used the drug war to create mass systems of enslavement. So why don’t you shut the fuck up about hypothetical idealist futures and talk about existing reality? Are you even a marxist with this utopian idealist nonsense?
The fact that this insane fascist tactic is on the table for you is nuts. Why even mention this shit? This is my line, the evil shit the prohibition governments do to its own people in the name of “protecting” them. Why would you go ahead and mention it when it’s farcically evil?
In the existing reality, this method is still preferable to the current status quo as it would be effective still. You aren’t going to stop racism by legalizing drugs but you are going to let many, many innocent people be killed and exploited by junkies and the seller gangs and cartels. Clearly ignoring the problem isn’t working so stepping up the game is the next step.
Yes, so does lack of sleep. Put anyone in jail who pulls an all nighter. By your arguments, we should have sleep monitors on every single person since you think we should be drug testing the entire population constantly. Anybody who refuses the sleep monitors or who doesn’t get a good nights rest will be put into mandatory “sleep rehabilitation”. If they refuse, they go to jail to be enslaved to do dangerous work for no money.
It’s weird you can’t see that just because “not sleeping is unhealthy” and “you shouldn’t drive while tired” are both true statements, you can’t make that into law without becoming a freakish draconian tyranny.
That is much harder to regulate. If someone is driving while tired then they also should be facing other sanctions.
if someone is driving while high then they should face consequences, but otherwise no crime has been committed. You can’t just do pre-crime to justify your views. Something can’t be made illegal because someone might later do something different that is illegal.
How do you prevent that? Look at alcohol and how many people drive drunk. Marijuana can remain in your system for over 24 hours (even longer possibly) and many people will drive a car/a bike/go out in public. Not to mention that marijuana is often used in sexual assaults (adai.uw.edu/pubs/pdf/2017mj_sexualassault.pdf). I think that users deserve treatment and support rather than just off to prison but that shouldn’t make us act like the drug is some good benefit to society.
Then ban alcohol. I’d love to see you try and eat shit the same way they did a hundred years ago when you developed your worldview
Banning alcohol absolutely should be done and has only failed due to half-assed enforcement and lack of social support. We should be supporting addicts with treatment centers and educating on the harms. That is the best way to eliminate it.
good luck with that buddy, your head will be on a spike if you ever actually try something like this
Not only that, but banning alcohol made it more dangerous because moonshiners and bootleggers resorted to making more and more potent alcohol for transport discretely. The same thing is happening with opioids now. The rise in fentanyl is precisely because it’s more potent so it gets concentrated and easier to smuggle and then dilute/cut at its destination, but then of course people start doing the uncut/pure stuff and die.
distracted driving impairs your ability to operate a vehicle significantly, better ban
talking topassengers!or you know. just invest in public transit instead and ban cars.
Do you want a bunch of marijuana smokers on public transit with you? Exposing others to the dangerous smoke and causing such a noxious odor? Even if you ban cars they still are too impaired for things like bikes which cannot be easily done away with.
“Mass shooters at Rep. Gabby Giffords’s constituent meeting in Tucson, Ariz. (2011), a movie theater in Aurora, Colo. (2012), the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla. (2016), the First Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Texas (2017), and Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. (2018), were reported to be marijuana users.” (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9462911/). They are apt to commit violent crimes beyond just what they do on the roads.
Sib please get on a fucking bus once in your life. You are not allowed to smoke on them, marijuana or no.
When I am on trains or subways there are often other passengers with smoke on their clothes, this is still terrible.
as someone who suffers pretty frequent migraines i can agree that it’s no fun when people are stinky in public. you don’t hear me calling for a ban on perfumes, colognes, axe body spray (showing my age here probably) etc, etc, etc.
If the smell was the only issue I would agree with you but marijuana causes violence and death in a way that those don’t
I hate to break it to you but Reefer Madness is not a documentary.
I’m calling for a ban on axe, even if you won’t. That shit is for awkward middle school dances, and nothing else
in my experience it was mostly used by assholes to tear gas a whole locker room by puncturing the can and then blockading the door so no one can escape
Okay, so it’s for two things
lmao now I’m imagining Axe body spray cans being used as improvised tear gas devices in a riot.
god i’d rather get hit with a grenade
you could try it against the cops but it’ll just remind them of when they peaked in middle school
i think this is the only time in my life i’ve ever encountered someone who isn’t an arch conservative try to make the claim that weed contributes to sexual assault (per your argument elsewhere in the thread) and mass murder. did your parents leave you in a locked room with nothing but reefer madness for entertainment as a kid or something?
No, I look at the actual evidence that marijuana causes violence in things like domestic abuse (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7525024/) as well as being tied to bipolar disorder and schizophrenia (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7084484), both of which cause violent actions. I think that we should support users in trying to get off it and focus on education rather than criminalization but it is dangerous none-the-less.
correlation doesn’t equal causation. weed is very popular and used hundreds of millions of times every day, of course it will be co-existing with all the realities of the world. It doesn’t mean that it causes them.
It causes slower reaction times. People still attempt to drive/ride a bike even with alcohol so they will likely do so with marijuana. There is substantial evidence tying its usage to violence and mental illness. That is reason enough to oppose it
No it isn’t and you’re a fascist boomer who is pro child-enslavement. That is the logical endpoint of making weed illegal, we already saw it.
Or…they could just not sell things that kill people. Sorry, I didn’t realize that every AES state is “pro child-enslavement”.
By your logic you would also be stripping people of a bunch of culturally significant substances used in ceremonies etc. Just take the L here you’re extremely wrong and this is just entirely a bad faith argument at this point.
First off, exceptions could be made for it in such cases and secondly, protecting people’s lives are more important
There are also mountains of evidence that cannabis has medicinal uses. Guess what also impairs you: Pain killers and any other number of medicines. You just are being reductive and contrarian and crusading against cannabis like a boomer on 4/20 of all days. I was half convinced this was a bit but I think you are actually this stupid.
This post isn’t talking about medicinal uses. We should aim for medicinal drugs to be acquired through doctors with prescriptions, not bought from a gang at a street corner like marijuana. But no, I guess personal attacks are more fun than thinking
What year do you think it is? Lmao you are so sheltered and it shows
Nah dude I was totally a one man street gang when I was selling sacks to my coworkers that I got by working on a farm
hey kid want some druuuuugs
You have to have seen this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfelvI_ikf4
So it should be decriminalized. Glad you finally get it.
Also BTW “Marijuana” was popularized in the west to make it sound like a brown person thing.
You need serious reeducaation.
That’s the opposite of what I’m saying. Marijuana needs to be eliminated. Executing every offender is socially preferable to legalizing it
So you also advocate making alchool illegal? (overwhelming evidence of alcohol contributing to violence, domestic of otherwise) Note how I wrote “contribute” and not cause.
Human behavioural problems are complicated as well as their causes. Blaming them solely on substances is dishonest and steers us away from the real causes.
We aren’t discussing alcohol. I obviously oppose it and also support criminalizing it with fierce aggression but that’s completely irrelevant to this discussion, there are many other things I also support criminalizing
Who is advocating letting people drive high? Just like with alcohol, it should have a time and a place and it should be a crime to operate a vehicle under its influence.
If a substance is legal then people will drive on it. Look at it when it comes to alcohol. Drunk driving is illegal but thousands still do it constantly
They are driving under it even if it is illegal. The legality won’t change that.
Except it is effectively legal. When a group of chickens are sick a farmer will cull them. We need the same thing for these addicts. The issue is that they walk and spread the disease of addiction even after doing this
You’re laughing but I’m a victim of cannabis!
I used to live with someone who smoke it on a regular basis. One day I went to bed, and my room-mate stayed on the garden, smoking his joint. When I woke up, the sandwich I prepared for my breakfast was… gone.
Are you getting the full picture? An addict stole the sustenance of a poor victim, due to his illegal psychoactive substance usage! Cannabis is danger! Cannabis is steal! Don’t cannabis!
Or if you do, prepare the munchies beforehand.[To be fair with him, on the same day he prepared me a way better sandwich as apology. And it isn’t like I went to the uni hungry, at morning I just whipped up some egg farofa and problem solved.]
dangerous? lmao
you have the worldview of a victorian era spinster
Slowing a response system clearly isn’t socially advantageous in any society where people are going to be operating any method of transportation like cars, bikes etc etc. I wouldn’t have a major opposition to it if people didn’t habitually attempt to leave the house while still high. Not to mention the consumption of it exposing others to chemicals through air pollution.
oh hell yes now we’re talking. so you’re in favor of banning cigarettes, campfires, candles, gas stoves, and shit why not, indoor cooking too right?
these also expose others to risk of death by explosion as gas stoves require gas pipes which blow up every so often, usually taking a few houses with it
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You didn’t even include the most obvious one from San Bernardino. That one still haunts me. Luckily it happened in midday with surprisingly few casualties but a gas line blew up like a whole suburban block.
Indoor cooking serves a social purpose that marijuana doesn’t. We can’t just do away with it. As for the other things, they are already legal most places, if they were illegal I would most certainly oppose legalizing them and cigarettes should also be banned for the innocent people they kill through causing impaired driving and exposing innocent people to their smoke.
So because you personally see no utility in something, nobody in society can benefit from it as they see fit. This is your reactionary boomer mind poking through. Taking selfish simplifications and extrapolating to them to everyone to enforce social control. You must recognize this is boomer behavior you are exhibiting. The exact logic is used to justify homophobia and transphobia.
Indoor cooking is a nearly universal concept that there is not an easy replacement for in the majority of cases. Eliminating marijuana is much more achievable.
if it’s so achievable then why hasn’t it been done despite the most authoritarian police state in world history with a surveillance state and billions in funding? Despite putting millions into jail for it to bring our prison population to the highest in human history?
Because keeping people as offenders makes more money. Jails aren’t designed to help stop crimes. We should be using free treatment centers and education primarily.
What happens when people refuse treatment and ignore your “education” DARE initiatives?
If someone refuses help then it doesn’t matter, as long as they are kept away from the rest of society. Jail/labor camps would probably make the most sense. If someone doesn’t want help then you can’t help them even if you try
big time yeah, but so does smoking. for that matter, so does alcohol.
sure we could! we can just do it outside.
ngl if all you’ve got is “well these things are legal and this one isn’t” then i’m deeply uninterested. “but it’s illegal!” okay so what? in the u.s. at least those laws were created explicitly to target and demonize black people and progressive movements. i listed the things i did bc they’re all harmful to human health in one way or another. candles put out a similar level of air pollution to smoking cigarettes inside. campfires? oh you better believe that shit is terrible for you. my point is that you’re not really being honest about the reasoning behind your beliefs. it’s okay to say “i think this should be banned because i don’t like it.” maybe nobody will agree with you! maybe they will. at least it would be truthful.
I am not using the law as a justification but rather saying that something already being socially unacceptable for the majority of people and already being illegal is easier to counteract than something that these is no base for its elimination already. It is easier to oppose something already illegal than saying we should eliminate something from scratch even if I agree with you that it ought to be eliminated long term. Smoking and alcohol do not serve the same purpose as cooking and are unnecessary and easily replaceable.
rapidly losing interest here but illegality in no way corresponds to social unacceptability. i’m not sure why you would ever make the mistake of conflating the two tbh.
Marijuana is socially unacceptable by many people outside of those in criminal circles and it’s level of acceptability can be counteracted through media and education
no sorry i think you might just be a loser. D.A.R.E already exists and it never changed anyone’s mind.
Ah yes, I am the loser. Not the person promoting drug addiction
you
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Because I oppose dangerous drugs that kill people?
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Stop your bullshit
Stop being a junkie sympathizer
Calling someone out for spewing bullshit does not make you a sympathizer.
we banned them from HB hopefully the lemmygrad mods nuke their account too, this is such hilarious like 1930s era reactionary nonsense it’s hilarious. This motherfucker watched Reefer Madness and thought it was a documentary lol.
Stop your bullshit
Stop being a junkie sympathizer
Calling someone out for spewing bullshit does not make you a sympathizer.
Yes ANY means. We should nuke the entire planet before we let one dying grandma have a single puff.
Bait used to be believable
Oh, everything that doesn’t conform to my world view is just “bait”
Stop your bullshit
Stop being a junkie sympathizer
Calling someone out for spewing bullshit does not make you a sympathizer.
Yes it does. You are effectively a murderer by advocating for drug addiction
If you need coffee to have energy in the morning that is a problem for you.
And yes, coffee is a drug and it can be dangerous as well.
As Amaerica showed during the Prohibition and as we see today with opioids, humans will always want to alter their consciouness, no matter the cost. Legalizing drugs along with treating addiction as a disease and not a crime, would be a net positive.
Legalizing it encourages its consumption. There were high rates of people going to the ER with marijuana induced psychosis after legalizing in California (something where people probably would have been brought to the ER either way)
No, there were not. Stop your bullshit.
Stop being a junkie sympathizer
Calling someone out for spewing bullshit does not make you a sympathizer.
Stop your bullshit
Stop being a junkie sympathizer
Calling someone out for spewing bullshit does not make you a sympathizer.
Although I don’t agree with illegalization of cannabis, I do have to point out that thc content has gotten dangerously high from like a decade ago. Before, it was like 4%, now it’s nearing 19%. So I don’t feel comfortable recommending people to start recreationally smoking marijuana. It leads to serious mental issues and addiction in some cases. What triggers those “some cases” I don’t know but I don’t really want to try and find out.
I’ve been a huge pothead for decades and I honestly haven’t noticed an increase in content while smoking regular weed. I think that’s the branded stuff that sends you out of orbit.
But if it has changed, that just means I smoke less to get to the high I like by smoking the equivalent of one joint during the day. It’s so much less smoke for my lungs this way, I’m not complaining. Lol
When I was a stoner I just reached a point where it didn’t effect me the same way.
Like I would smoke more but it would just be the same level high …but I felt like I needed it any time I did anything. Maybe I didn’t increase my bowl size much but the frequency increased.
Looking back it was such a a waste of my time and money. I was trying to chase this medicinal effect I was reading about but I never found it.
I still use it, but I don’t use it during the day like before.
Edible packaging informs of THC content in milligrams.
I’m glad stoners are so eco-conscious that they’re not wasting plastic on packaging.
I need like an upvote plus button. Like a “nice!” button. I’m always fighting the urge to post “damn that’s funny” all over the place.
An upvote should cover it I suppose, but it’s not satisfying.
Anyway, good one
There is lemmysilver (with ! at the start)
you know you can just smoke/vape 5x less material, right? i’m personally not a fan of the “high THC-A % at all costs” commercial grows and there is a wonderful variety of 3% or less CBD hemp or type 2s with 4%
this is very true and something i practice myself, using as little as possible
and yet… that’s not how most people use the drug. meth is similar! did you know that if you were to microdose meth you could theoretically use it as an ADHD medication? and yet where are all the microdosers? why does my city have a rampant meth problem?
thankfully cannabis is not nearly as destructive as meth but the parent comment is right: cannabis is becoming more and more problematic in people’s lives due to the high THC content and the cultural rubber banding effect. we’ve gotta reckon with the fact that this miracle drug is still a drug that messes with our NT systems quite a bit
Really nice thing for us green dragon enthusiasts though.
And this rising potency is a direct consequence of cannabis being illegal. Producers are breeding stronger and stronger strains with higher THC content and lower CBD to get the most bang for their buck. This is true for all illicit drugs, as they tend towards becoming more potent when they need to be smuggled (e.g. why fentanyl is often added to heroin, as it delivers more potency per gram).
If you legalise and regulate it, suddenly that pressure is taken away. Cannabis is produced in consistent and known strengths, distributed in packaging that clearly states the potency so people can make informed choices about what they take.
this isnt exactly true. (my instinct is to say it’s completely false but i could be wrong!) in many states, it’s medical marijuana that is >20% THC and the cheap public stuff is unregulated below that amount. so you have people getting a bogus medical card, buying up 30% strands, and smoking an ounce a week and going into psychosis. source: stoner drug counselor
historically, yes! that was definitely a motivator. but the current system perpetuates it deeply
just guessing here, but I’d think it’s getting perpetuated, as people expect or are used to the potent stuff.
Also not sure if the price is adjusted to strength, but I’d also suspect that people would buy stronger stuff and use less of it, so it lasts longer
(pure speculation on my end)
I’m sure many do but unfortunately i haven’t met or heard about any of it… whether it’s in the world or on r/trees or wherever. People rolling up giant blunts, etc. it’s crazy the way people overindulge! they say it’s spiritual and then binge on it… it’s like downing an entire bottle of communion wine lol
I was taught alcohol consumption where I grew up the same way. Consume as much as possible.
It’s lame.
It’s mainly just a talking point to get weed money out of the black market.
A consequence of its prohibition. History keeps on repeating itself, yet we never learn.
The street market and mainstream market both rely on structure and tactics.
Look at shitty foods. They don’t need to be shitty… It wasn’t prohibition that made food unhealthy. But they made them that way.
Look at our news, it doesn’t have to be filled with shitty entertainment tactics and drama, but it is and it’s unhealthy to our society.
Addiction and emotion is marketed regardless of mainstream or street.
I keep hearing that it’s supposed to be much stronger these days, but my experience is just the opposite.
I was a heavy weed smoker in my young years, smoking standard generic pressbud, and it got me nicely stoned. I even had a couple of years where I was growing my own, so I’m very experienced with fresh homegrown weed, which was beautiful. Tasted great, with a very satisfying intense high. Then I quit smoking for a few decades.
I recently started smoking again in my retirement, and was looking forward to trying this stronger weed I was hearing about. I’ve tried legal weed from various states, and none of it gets me nearly as stoned as the cheap pressbud of my youth.
This is just anecdotal, but that’s been my experience.
I also have anecdotal stories of my friend’s life being ruined by weed addiction. We can all have some anecdotal evidence but more scientific evidence is coming out saying that there are higher levels of thc and if younger children smoke weed it will fuck them up. I do agree that using marijuana cautiously and medicinally can help but I can’t possibly recommend smoking for fun.
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I biased against meth, but also afraid of it as well. Doesn’t mean I’m going to go out of my way to try it and assess whether it’s really as bad as they say. I also won’t try out any poison, random pills I find, or anything I have to inject.
Fear is a healthy thing sometimes, mate.
“I call people ‘afraid’ when they point out the current dangerous path of a drug that drives a 45 USD billion industry.”
To make an apple pie you gotta first create the universe. Def a stoner thought lol
Don’t forget “from scratch” lol
“Scratch” his itch for some of that killer skunk weed, the devil’s lettuce!
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Sensitivity and fellowship, yet my (former) friend who is a big stoner has gone all-in on conspiracy theories and is championing the Reform party in the UK because Labour are apparently race traitors. Guess weed can’t do all the lifting.
If you are as smart and educated as Carl Sagan, I’m sure weed isn’t doing the heavy lifting.
Yeah for people like Sagan, the “serenity” he’s referring to is probably more about quieting his mind.
Yeah that quote is very naive and privileged.
Maybe weed isn’t relevant in that case, let’s not forget that in the US, weed was promoted by liberals and opposed by the MAGA crowd.
Can’t win em all. Also, weed in the UK is rubbish /s
Kinda blows my mind that capitalists so desperately want marijuana to be illegal. It’s basically the closest real-world analogue to Brave New World’s Soma.
You want the populace to be complacent? You need to let em blaze it.
This is why I really fear it. Then again it helped me find god. Which i then realized structurally does create the complacent worker through pacifying rather than inciting any real change. So I am back to thinking it is a crutch.
There’s already plenty out there to keep a population complacent. Also, the prison industrial complex and all that surrounds it is big business.
Weed leads to more open mindedness. Why bother using it as an opiate of the masses when you have actual opiates. Push those instead while throwing anyone who has touched weed into the private slave system for superprofits.
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Did Sagan say that in writing? I know he wrote a few things about his experiences with pot, but those were informal, anecdotal writings, and this sounds much more formal, almost like a public statement meant for publication, or a speech.
Here is a summary with a link to the PDF: bigthink.com/…/carl-sagan-on-smoking-marijuana/
If there is one thing weed is really good at, it is making people okay with being lazy and with their current situation. LSD on the otherhand, can really make you rethink everything.
what’s wrong with being content and finding peace? The productivity drive has been driven into you by capitalism and leads to mass discontentment and suffering. One must detach from endless striving to achieve true enlightenment and happiness, and weed can do that and chill people out and cure them of their “protestant work ethic” which is a cultural disease.
Inherent in this type of “weed makes you lazy” rhetoric is that it makes other people lazy. You want everyone else working endlessly and tirelessly implicitly here, that they must face endless burden for your benefit. It’s a form of social control where you are attempting to force your values onto others instead of respecting their right to chose what they do with their own body and life.
vice.com/…/smoking-weed-more-emphathetic-study/ Fwiw.
My partner has an Rx for his myriad of autoimmune stuff. It really helps him when he isn’t feeling well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s causal, but it could also be that more naturally empathetic people trend towards weed to cope with the reality that our society is brutal and predatory and uncaring. I know I need weed just to cope with living in a fascist society where almost everyone around me shrugs their shoulders at genocide.
Also it could be shared confounding variables like the fact that more poor, young and POC people smoke, and old rich white people have drained themselves of all empathy
Whatever gets you through the day. Glad to have others with heart around. :)
Or its really bad for organizing and actually fighting capitalism because you are sedated and are okay with the exploitation since you can cope with weed after a long day of work. Revolution takes effort and trust me people on weed are not motivated to do shit and are not very social either. Weed is not the solution to fighting capitalism, it helps the capitalist by making people complaicent and actionless. The only real benefit would be a union strike, where you actually should do nothing. But to organize something like that takes effort and time and motivation.