Findings: Air bacterial counts in close proximity to hand drying were 4.5-fold higher for the jet air dryer (70.7 cfu) compared with the warm air dryer (15.7 cfu) (P=0.001), and 27-fold higher compared with use of paper towels (2.6 cfu) (P<0.001).* Airborne counts were also significantly different during use of towel drying versus warm air dryer (P=0.001). A similar pattern was seen for bacterial counts at 1m away. Visualization experiments demonstrated that the jet air dryer caused the most droplet dispersal.
SmoothOperator@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 08:59
collapse
Isn’t the point to get bacteria off your hands? Isn’t it better to have them in the air than on your hands?
It’s a lot more likely I’ll eat something I touched than something that’s been sitting in bathroom air.
They used a jet air dryer, those are the shitty ones that spray everything everywhere. Of course it’ll be worse. I’d like to see how a dyson air blade hold up under that kind of test.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
on 06 Dec 21:58
nextcollapse
Hygiene associated with the product has been questioned in research by the University of Westminster Trade Group, London and sponsored by the paper towel industry the European Tissue Symposium
Also, how is their research any worse than the one sponsored by Dyson, who is trying to sell overpriced hand dryers.
Anyone who has ever seen one of these more than a few weeks old knows how disgusting they get because cleaning crews were never trained to clean them. I’m assuming that isn’t considered in Dyson’s version of the research at all. There’s one in a bathroom in my area that is covered in mold.
That’s great, probably better for life happiness to just not look very closely, and ignore research like this. I doubt anyone is getting sick, even if it is certainly spraying stuff around.
Actual science is always good, but I’d like to see data on them with hourly vs daily vs weekly vs monthly washroom cleaning, and the same data on regular hand dryers and as well as paper towel.
Bet the airblades are best with a quick cleaning cycle, and worst with a slow cleaning cycle (except for paper towel if the cleaning cycle is slow enough; ‘no paper towel, dry your hands on what you can’ is certainly the least best option)
It doesn’t seem plausible. After wiping your hands dry the bacteria either stayed on your hands or were transferred to the paper towel. I can’t see a path to the air.
Blasting your hands with air fast enough to blow off whole water drops and shatter them would put bacteria in the air.
I presume that when testing their air driers they use a sterile room and thoroughly washed hands in hospital type soap so any bacteria went down the drain and only sterile water was blown into the air
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 11:58
collapse
OP edited their post with a link. It’s an entirely different topic, it’s about germs on paper towels coming from the factory.
BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee
on 07 Dec 00:32
nextcollapse
tried using one of those hand dryers and it made my hands smell terrible
I’m not defending it, as it needs no defending. You are right to be defensive about your nasty ass hands though. How are you gonna wash your hands, use a blow-dryer, smell your hands and realize that they stink and come to the conclusion that the blow-dryer is the reason your hands stink.
because the only time it ever happened was because i used that blow dryer design. is it really that hard of a conclusion to come to? or do you just really feel like being an asshole today?
I feel like calling you out because your story is obvious bs.
BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net
on 07 Dec 00:42
nextcollapse
Wilcox et al were working in a hospital setting and just found that the air bacterial counts were higher around hand dryers than around paper towel dispensers, which doesn’t establish whether the hand dryers are actually a source of bacteria. A more recent meta-analysis found mixed outcomes. So both the sign and the graffito need to revise and resubmit, ideally with a more comprehensive survey of the published literature.
Done. :) Do you all think it should be a new rule to tag debunked or inconclusive evidence?
BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net
on 07 Dec 06:14
collapse
I think it might be nice as a guideline, but I don’t think it’s necessary to make it mandatory. I just thought it’d be funny to highlight the scholarly bathroom germ debate.
Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org
on 07 Dec 00:57
nextcollapse
This has been debunked btw. Fwiw, there is a huge behind the scenes fight between big towel and big airblow.
I’m not kidding. But basically drying via air is much more hygienic in actuality.
Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Dec 01:58
collapse
As long as you use soap at the very least. How can you blow germs around if you just killed most of them?
I just wish people would know how to use paper towels so that they don’t end up wasting huge piles of them for nothing. 1 sheet is enough. You don’t need 5. Do it like this:
After washing your hands, brush excess water off each hand using your other hand. Your hands should not be dripping wet when you reach for the paper towel.
Take a single paper towel. Don’t scrunch it up, and don’t just clasp the towel. Use all parts of the paper towel to deliberately wipe your hands. The paper towels are quite absorbent. They don’t need to be 100% dry to remove the water from your hands.
The end. If you do this, your hands will not be wet. You will not need a second paper towel.
Frozengyro@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 02:10
nextcollapse
Yea, wouldn’t want to use 2 sheets. Not like that stuff grows on trees.
Funny joke. But yeah, the creation, distribution, and disposal are not free - even if they are created from trees. Using two sheets isn’t a big deal, but why use double what you need?
Anyway, I’m not trying to say we need to be super-frugal with our paper towels. I’m really talking about people who just keep grabbing more and more of them until their hands are dry. I’m sure we’ve all seen bins overflowing with barely-used paper towels. We don’t need that.
Why are there germs on your hands right after washing them? Didn’t mythbusters already test it and concluded that they are only bad when people don’t really wash their hands.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 07 Dec 03:36
nextcollapse
that they are only bad when people don’t really wash their hands.
Well, yes.
Bassman1805@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 03:38
nextcollapse
Yes.
The followup question is “how many people think getting their hands wet without soap is sufficient hand-washing” and the answer is not terribly comforting.
Do you ever watch people wash their hands? Many wet them then dry them. A few rub a little soap around them. Nearly no one does the full hand wash method recommended by health organisations (where each finger is individually washed)
…how? I genuinely haven’t experienced this; I like airblades precisely because the water is blown directionally, away from you.
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml
on 07 Dec 02:54
nextcollapse
I particularly hate those airblade things even more than regular air dryers. I like that they’re faster and typically not as gross and warm but they are designed in a way where you feed your hand in to a narrow gap with powerful air jets in front of and behind your hands in this gap. Your hands are not a completely uniform symmetrical shape, so the jets buffet your hand around and they inevitably touch the parts of the device where the jets are located, right where everyone else has had the same thing happen. It grosses me out.
srestegosaurio@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Dec 03:11
nextcollapse
And they don’t dry as well, and the air moves faster so whatever is living in the water drops on your hands (depending really on how thoroughly you wash your hands) gets flung further, spread better in the space
Yeah after the first two times trying to use them and my hands got blown into one of the sides i said fuck it, I’ll use my shirt if no paper towels are available.
My biggest issue is the decibel level. I can hear, for now, but the decibel level on those things makes one of my ears feel like it’s being blasted out of my skull and induces ringing.
I use the paper because it doesn’t hurt my ear.
Yes, I’ve seen a doctor, it simply is what it is and my only recourse for that ear is to wear ear protection. In any public restroom, apparently.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
on 07 Dec 05:42
nextcollapse
My daughter is extremely noise sensitive and can’t handle the noise of those either. After a really rough 2 hour drive involving 3 gas station stops because she refused to even try to use one due to the auto-flushing toilet my wife suggested “making an app to track public bathrooms with air dryers and autoflushing toilets” and I’ve been debating if I want to start tagging every public bathroom I visit on Open Street Map with the toilet flush mechanism and existence of air dryers. And if i did so I’d probably also mark what changing table amenities are available and if there’s more/less changing table amenities in the womens’ or mens’ rooms.
polarpear11@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 06:10
nextcollapse
I would use that app.
uniquethrowagay@feddit.org
on 07 Dec 08:02
nextcollapse
Time to get some good noise cancelling headphones for your daughter
pineapplelover@lemm.ee
on 07 Dec 08:48
nextcollapse
Can you use osm to do that? How do I mark free parking spots and street parking spots as well?
You can buy boxes of moldable foam earplugs which can do very well for noise blocking. Individually wrapped in pairs. They carry well in a back pocket. Those work if you’re ok with the sensation of something in your ears, don’t have ear tubes, or some other contraindicated condition.
An aesthetically pleasing pair of full muffs can also work. Sometimes kids need their environment dimmed, and the muffs can work rather well.
We actually already have hearing protection headphones for the kids, but they’re bulky and I usually don’t want to risk them getting messed up in the bathroom on a trip
We try to balance both giving her the tools to be successful but also not having her entirely rely on the hearing protection as a crutch
Delzur@vegantheoryclub.org
on 07 Dec 11:01
collapse
They absolutely are loud. I avoir them as much as possible even though I don’t have ear issues (yet, I gguess)
Sabata11792@ani.social
on 07 Dec 05:50
nextcollapse
Are you calling the air powered piss blasters gross?
blubfisch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Dec 09:31
collapse
That is such an american problem 😵💫. Reducing trash is a great motivation, but the reminder that the trash is just dumped and stored indefinitely over there just makes me want to scream.
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Dec 09:46
nextcollapse
Paper towels aren’t even trash, paper can be recycled and you’ll get new paper towels. But landfill it is…
They often are partially recycled material. But recycled paper isn’t like recycling aluminum or steel. There are limits to how often and how much of the cycled material you can add back to make useful paper products.
But paper towels can and does make great compost as most gardeners know. And a properly run landfill is a compost pile. But you need to keep the nasty garbage out.
It’s a non-issue. Landfills are a negligible amount of land usage and the land can be repurposed after the landfill is decommissioned. I genuinely don’t get why people care.
blubfisch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Dec 09:37
collapse
Because the landfills produce methane, a greenhouse gas much more potent than CO2. Once a landfill is closed, the methane can mostly be caught. There are always leaks, however. Containing the methane and other problems creates forever-costs. Recycling as much as possible and burning the rest, greatly reduces the problem. Remaining ash from burning still needs to be stored, but has less volume. And while burning trash does produce CO2, the energy is used for electricity and communal heating.
The strong bleached ones which pollute the environment or the brown ones which tear apart on wet skin and you have to pluck pieces of them from between hair on your hand?
IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 09:47
nextcollapse
I thought it was the dumb ass shape of them and how it just mists and sprays the bacteria on and off the walls. The old ones were fine. Point it straight down. Who cares if a couple of drops touch the ground
Machine should have a “blow” vent above a “suck” vent with a drip tray that drains away. Any air that passes in close contact with the heating element would be sterilized.
nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Dec 05:22
collapse
It’s insane we keep using those things after covid. They’re fucking disgusting.
BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 10:18
collapse
But they’re the most hygienic! The advertisement says so…
el_abuelo@programming.dev
on 07 Dec 18:18
collapse
The writing was on the wall.
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Dec 09:45
nextcollapse
Paper towels can be recycled
BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 10:16
collapse
They can. But they don’t…
el_abuelo@programming.dev
on 07 Dec 18:18
collapse
I’ve often noticed people leaving theirs outside the waste bin so others can reuse them. Reduce, reuse THEN recycle.
BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 10:04
collapse
Haha! Hell yes. I’m definitely going to start doing this. “I’m doing my part! 👍”
BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 10:14
nextcollapse
How can it spread germs if the germs are 99% gone after having washed your hands with soap?
We’re assuming people aren’t washing their hands properly, right?
HowManyNimons@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 10:32
nextcollapse
Some microbes will survive the hand washing process, and need to be removed by drying. Those Dyson air blades collect germs from water from washed hands and the toilet environment, then blow the germs around. It’s gross.
Also, Mr Dyson is a fucking dick.
CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world
on 08 Dec 01:24
collapse
If those dryers had UV lamps, maybe one that only ran when external motion sensors detected nobody nearby, that could mitigate that problem entirely
threaded - newest
Remember kids, when making graffiti, always cite your sources.
On the bathroom stall:
Is this true? Seriously curious.
Unfortunately it is very much true.
Edit: here’s a more recent source.
This is not hot air though, so the cited source does not apply.
Edit: but it does link to more relevant study towards the end, comparing different means of hand drying.
You’re right and I linked a fairly old study. I’ve edited my comment to add a more recent source.
Kudos.
Isn’t the point to get bacteria off your hands? Isn’t it better to have them in the air than on your hands?
It’s a lot more likely I’ll eat something I touched than something that’s been sitting in bathroom air.
They used a jet air dryer, those are the shitty ones that spray everything everywhere. Of course it’ll be worse. I’d like to see how a dyson air blade hold up under that kind of test.
But I thought all the piss sterilizes them.
“I hope that’s a clean wet!” flashback to the urinal
Good time to share How to use one paper towel (to thoroughly dry your hands in a public restroom).
Shake. Fold. It really does work.
that was a nice watch, but more times than not I just use my pants
I try to use your pants too, but you walk really fast.
Can’t watch at the moment; is this the guy who says to shake 7 times before you dry?
12, but I do 7 or 8 usually.
And yes.
Why 12?
It just gets a lot of water drops off your hands and the air drying helps
It’s also a superior highly composite number, which is a lot of words to say it has many factors. That means it can be divided easily.
Is it also the guy who ends with the joke that his next talk will be how to do the same with toiletpaper?
Eyyy I love this guy!
The next person in line breathing in your neck dries your neck as an added bonus!
Glad you posted it, this dude is oddly compelling! One of the few talks I remember and actually act on regularly…
I’ll just leave this here:
It’s ok to be cautious, but if the data is accurate then it doesn’t matter much.
Also, how is their research any worse than the one sponsored by Dyson, who is trying to sell overpriced hand dryers.
Anyone who has ever seen one of these more than a few weeks old knows how disgusting they get because cleaning crews were never trained to clean them. I’m assuming that isn’t considered in Dyson’s version of the research at all. There’s one in a bathroom in my area that is covered in mold.
They always look clean in the malls I see them in.
That’s great, probably better for life happiness to just not look very closely, and ignore research like this. I doubt anyone is getting sick, even if it is certainly spraying stuff around.
Actual science is always good, but I’d like to see data on them with hourly vs daily vs weekly vs monthly washroom cleaning, and the same data on regular hand dryers and as well as paper towel.
Bet the airblades are best with a quick cleaning cycle, and worst with a slow cleaning cycle (except for paper towel if the cleaning cycle is slow enough; ‘no paper towel, dry your hands on what you can’ is certainly the least best option)
In both cases, it is the instance of conflict of interest and a moral hazard. Tainted and not to be trusted.
I mean sure, but!
… It trains everyone to make the silly nyaa anime catgirl poses with our arms and hands.
Checkmate.
Include the publishing year in your reference.
That’ll cost them two points off their grade on the paper, shame
My vandals get a zero if they don’t use MLA citation.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0bc7a4a8-17c1-44c3-b939-70f042ffbebc.jpeg">
It looks like a mouth, it needs eyes.
And some lipstick.
Disgusting!
Every few years either the paper towels or the dryer spreads more germs, depends on the mood you know.
Edit: Seems like Big Paper™ sent their goons /s www.ajicjournal.org/article/…/abstract
There are a lot of different dryer designs as well, some of which are much more friendly to breeding bacteria than others.
Bacteria orgy this weekend at Sal’s.
Going to need to see your citations for that assertion, sir.
www.ajicjournal.org/article/…/abstract
Cool.
From the conclusion:
Downvoted for lack of source
First time I’m seeing a claim that paper towels spread more germs. Got a source to back that up?
It doesn’t seem plausible. After wiping your hands dry the bacteria either stayed on your hands or were transferred to the paper towel. I can’t see a path to the air.
Blasting your hands with air fast enough to blow off whole water drops and shatter them would put bacteria in the air.
I presume that when testing their air driers they use a sterile room and thoroughly washed hands in hospital type soap so any bacteria went down the drain and only sterile water was blown into the air
OP edited their post with a link. It’s an entirely different topic, it’s about germs on paper towels coming from the factory.
tried using one of those hand dryers and it made my hands smell terrible
Then the hand dryer is not your problem. Try using soap next time.
i wash my hands with soap so much they crack and bleed i dont think that was the problem. it was only that dryer
This is a skill issue.
what did u design that dryer or something why defend it?
I’m not defending it, as it needs no defending. You are right to be defensive about your nasty ass hands though. How are you gonna wash your hands, use a blow-dryer, smell your hands and realize that they stink and come to the conclusion that the blow-dryer is the reason your hands stink.
Telling on yourself a bit here.
because the only time it ever happened was because i used that blow dryer design. is it really that hard of a conclusion to come to? or do you just really feel like being an asshole today?
I feel like calling you out because your story is obvious bs.
Wilcox et al were working in a hospital setting and just found that the air bacterial counts were higher around hand dryers than around paper towel dispensers, which doesn’t establish whether the hand dryers are actually a source of bacteria. A more recent meta-analysis found mixed outcomes. So both the sign and the graffito need to revise and resubmit, ideally with a more comprehensive survey of the published literature.
Inconclusive evidence tag?
Teach the controversy via whiteboard marker on the bathroom mirrors!
Done. :) Do you all think it should be a new rule to tag debunked or inconclusive evidence?
I think it might be nice as a guideline, but I don’t think it’s necessary to make it mandatory. I just thought it’d be funny to highlight the scholarly bathroom germ debate.
This has been debunked btw. Fwiw, there is a huge behind the scenes fight between big towel and big airblow.
I’m not kidding. But basically drying via air is much more hygienic in actuality.
As long as you use soap at the very least. How can you blow germs around if you just killed most of them?
Trouble is a lot of people are gross and will do the wroom wroom to make people think they washed their hands, or just wash poorly in the first place.
I can’t fathom how those dyson piece of shit blade hand dryers were chosen at so many places instead of like a Columbia Vortex.
Those nasty ass dysons near guarantee you touch the inside of them, all while misting water back up towards your face.
I always have to imagine I’m playing Operation and it’s going to buzz and light up a red light over my head if I bump the sides.
Inconclusive sauce here: mander.xyz/post/21607221/15388187
I just wish people would know how to use paper towels so that they don’t end up wasting huge piles of them for nothing. 1 sheet is enough. You don’t need 5. Do it like this:
The end. If you do this, your hands will not be wet. You will not need a second paper towel.
Yea, wouldn’t want to use 2 sheets. Not like that stuff grows on trees.
Funny joke. But yeah, the creation, distribution, and disposal are not free - even if they are created from trees. Using two sheets isn’t a big deal, but why use double what you need?
Anyway, I’m not trying to say we need to be super-frugal with our paper towels. I’m really talking about people who just keep grabbing more and more of them until their hands are dry. I’m sure we’ve all seen bins overflowing with barely-used paper towels. We don’t need that.
I mean if you need two or three, that’s still way better than grabbing 20.
You missed something. You gotta fold the paper in half. The capillary action will trap more water in between the folded halves than it could unfolded.
The Shake & Fold method. There was a Ted Talk!
Why are there germs on your hands right after washing them? Didn’t mythbusters already test it and concluded that they are only bad when people don’t really wash their hands.
Well, yes.
Yes.
The followup question is “how many people think getting their hands wet without soap is sufficient hand-washing” and the answer is not terribly comforting.
Do you ever watch people wash their hands? Many wet them then dry them. A few rub a little soap around them. Nearly no one does the full hand wash method recommended by health organisations (where each finger is individually washed)
To be fair they probably didn’t rub each individual finger over their disgusting body parts while in the toilet.
I kinda got that sense from the moment that “AirBlade” sprayed all my germy hand water up into my face
…how? I genuinely haven’t experienced this; I like airblades precisely because the water is blown directionally, away from you.
I particularly hate those airblade things even more than regular air dryers. I like that they’re faster and typically not as gross and warm but they are designed in a way where you feed your hand in to a narrow gap with powerful air jets in front of and behind your hands in this gap. Your hands are not a completely uniform symmetrical shape, so the jets buffet your hand around and they inevitably touch the parts of the device where the jets are located, right where everyone else has had the same thing happen. It grosses me out.
And also incredibly loud too.
And they don’t dry as well, and the air moves faster so whatever is living in the water drops on your hands (depending really on how thoroughly you wash your hands) gets flung further, spread better in the space
Yeah after the first two times trying to use them and my hands got blown into one of the sides i said fuck it, I’ll use my shirt if no paper towels are available.
Japan doesn’t have paper towels or air dryers in their bathrooms.
Why?
Because everyone carries a handkerchief to dry their hands. They even sell them at airports when you land.
I’ve been trying to bring back the handkerchief in the States, but not as many places sell them
My biggest issue is the decibel level. I can hear, for now, but the decibel level on those things makes one of my ears feel like it’s being blasted out of my skull and induces ringing.
I use the paper because it doesn’t hurt my ear.
Yes, I’ve seen a doctor, it simply is what it is and my only recourse for that ear is to wear ear protection. In any public restroom, apparently.
My daughter is extremely noise sensitive and can’t handle the noise of those either. After a really rough 2 hour drive involving 3 gas station stops because she refused to even try to use one due to the auto-flushing toilet my wife suggested “making an app to track public bathrooms with air dryers and autoflushing toilets” and I’ve been debating if I want to start tagging every public bathroom I visit on Open Street Map with the toilet flush mechanism and existence of air dryers. And if i did so I’d probably also mark what changing table amenities are available and if there’s more/less changing table amenities in the womens’ or mens’ rooms.
I would use that app.
Time to get some good noise cancelling headphones for your daughter
Can you use osm to do that? How do I mark free parking spots and street parking spots as well?
wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee
Seems to cover what you’re asking about. Found it from here if you want to see some people discussing it for some context.
You can buy boxes of moldable foam earplugs which can do very well for noise blocking. Individually wrapped in pairs. They carry well in a back pocket. Those work if you’re ok with the sensation of something in your ears, don’t have ear tubes, or some other contraindicated condition.
An aesthetically pleasing pair of full muffs can also work. Sometimes kids need their environment dimmed, and the muffs can work rather well.
We actually already have hearing protection headphones for the kids, but they’re bulky and I usually don’t want to risk them getting messed up in the bathroom on a trip
We try to balance both giving her the tools to be successful but also not having her entirely rely on the hearing protection as a crutch
They absolutely are loud. I avoir them as much as possible even though I don’t have ear issues (yet, I gguess)
Are you calling the air powered piss blasters gross?
Pneumatic urinator
It sucks that the only device that works spreads germs. Will humanity ever find a hand drying method that not only dries hands but is also safe?
Paper towels?
BuT ThiNk oF tHe laNdFiLL!!!
That is such an american problem 😵💫. Reducing trash is a great motivation, but the reminder that the trash is just dumped and stored indefinitely over there just makes me want to scream.
Paper towels aren’t even trash, paper can be recycled and you’ll get new paper towels. But landfill it is…
They often are partially recycled material. But recycled paper isn’t like recycling aluminum or steel. There are limits to how often and how much of the cycled material you can add back to make useful paper products.
But paper towels can and does make great compost as most gardeners know. And a properly run landfill is a compost pile. But you need to keep the nasty garbage out.
Aluminium paper towels it is, then!
It’s a non-issue. Landfills are a negligible amount of land usage and the land can be repurposed after the landfill is decommissioned. I genuinely don’t get why people care.
Because the landfills produce methane, a greenhouse gas much more potent than CO2. Once a landfill is closed, the methane can mostly be caught. There are always leaks, however. Containing the methane and other problems creates forever-costs. Recycling as much as possible and burning the rest, greatly reduces the problem. Remaining ash from burning still needs to be stored, but has less volume. And while burning trash does produce CO2, the energy is used for electricity and communal heating.
The strong bleached ones which pollute the environment or the brown ones which tear apart on wet skin and you have to pluck pieces of them from between hair on your hand?
I was about to ask how much hair you have on your hand but then i saw your username…
Paper towels? Lol
I thought it was the dumb ass shape of them and how it just mists and sprays the bacteria on and off the walls. The old ones were fine. Point it straight down. Who cares if a couple of drops touch the ground
Machine should have a “blow” vent above a “suck” vent with a drip tray that drains away. Any air that passes in close contact with the heating element would be sterilized.
Pants.
POV: you’re Naomi, explain your wiping strategy
The hand dryers that promise you bacon are LYING BASTARDS!
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/99cef68a-4ef8-4534-9505-dcdf31ea5775.png">
Just keep your hands there long enough
You must become the bacon you wish to see in the world
<img alt="D’oh!" src="https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/bf473a8c-5d2c-400e-9a0a-807f2f8c9b3e.png">
It’s insane we keep using those things after covid. They’re fucking disgusting.
But they’re the most hygienic! The advertisement says so…
The writing was on the wall.
Paper towels can be recycled
They can. But they don’t…
I’ve often noticed people leaving theirs outside the waste bin so others can reuse them. Reduce, reuse THEN recycle.
Haha! Hell yes. I’m definitely going to start doing this. “I’m doing my part! 👍”
How can it spread germs if the germs are 99% gone after having washed your hands with soap? We’re assuming people aren’t washing their hands properly, right?
Some microbes will survive the hand washing process, and need to be removed by drying. Those Dyson air blades collect germs from water from washed hands and the toilet environment, then blow the germs around. It’s gross.
Also, Mr Dyson is a fucking dick.
If those dryers had UV lamps, maybe one that only ran when external motion sensors detected nobody nearby, that could mitigate that problem entirely
Yes you can assume all people don’t wash their hands correctly.
Which is accurate. How often have you seen somebody spend 30 seconds washing their hands in a public restroom? For me it ain’t exactly common
Every time I go, there’s at least one person.
.
There are too many people that think rinsing hands with water is enough, or that using a urinal doesn’t need hand rinsing much less washing.
Even post-COVID, habits are too hard to break
I wash my hands for nearly a minute. But most of that time is spent trying to get those stupid no touch faucets to work.
Yet, the best hand dryers are still your trousers
<img alt="" src="https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/035f555d-1f3a-41bf-af57-a37fcce13f10.jpeg">
Zero waste and zero bacteria spread, truly perfect.
Denim is naturally anti-microbial
TIL
Pants dry, trees die!
Funnily, that’s not really true. Such studies showing that exist but are sponsored by… paper towel companies
Yes, and the ones that show air dryers to be healthier are funded by… hand dryer manufacturers.
Someone should fund independent research.
But then how do I make money?
You make money?
I went for a whole month drying my hands with only independent research and the results were similar to using paper towels.
I remember someone tested this, and the bacteria was found in a wider area.
Either way bacteria is everywhere and we got immune systems.
Fucking dystopian late stage capitalism… Every fact is not actually a fact cause it’s sponsored by corporate interests
Half the words are automatically capitalized when I text. Because they’re part of a corporation’s name.
I tell my phone to “Remove Suggestion” on that every time, but it never fucking takes and it pisses me off. Don’t capitalist twitter or god.
All air dryers are trash, always have been.
Noted. Thanks OP
UV kills the germs. They should install lamps. Added bonus everybody gets tan hands.
And also an organization-wide statistical increase in skin cancer!