Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Jan 22:10
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Mostly Norway, Sweden, and (to a lesser extent) Denmark.
Also from a profound sense of alienation combined with a tendency towards macabre flamboyancy and just subjective stylistic preferences of expression, I guess 🤷
It’s fucking impossible to know nowadays, it has even gone into “this is so crazy that it can’t be a troll” territory. I’m at a loss of words almost daily from the level of idiocy and ignorance that infects every damn comment section everywhere. The bar for most stupid imaginable is racing lower and lower every damn second, and it’s already WAY beyond what should be possible.
From a distance, I thought this was going to be a 3D printed MST3K logo.
_edge@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jan 19:37
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The reflection (scattering) of light can be seen on the picture they choose to make their point. Sure, the comment is correct that anything you can see scatters light otherwise you would not see it, but in the picture it is particular obvious where the light source is from the reflection on the rock.
Gutek8134@lemmy.world
on 04 Jan 21:28
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I wonder how would the percentage of the people believing it change depending on the Moon’s albedo
sudo_bash@midwest.social
on 04 Jan 21:42
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I wonder if they think “reflection” only means the kind of reflection you see in a mirror.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jan 23:34
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It’s also a pretty dumb rock to use as an example. If the moon were that color it would be way brighter than it is currently. And with a rock as shiny as that you would clearly see a reflection of the sun as well.
In real life the moon is about as bright as dark asphalt and because of all the dust it is very dull as well. So a matt black paint would probably be closer to what the moon looks like. Still bright as hell compared to the nothingness that surrounds it. Our eyes are also very good at low light conditions, once we get used to the dark a little bit of light goes a long way. So we can even pick out shadows in the moonlight on earth. A brighter moon would be annoying I think, imagine having some nights that look like early evening on a sunny day. But if we evolved with it we would be used to it I guess.
Just like with flat earth the glowing moon theory fails to explain the phases of the moon or things like eclipses. And why the glow doesn’t follow black body radiation, but instead perfectly follows the tell tale signs of reflected sunlight, Fraunhofer lines and all. And where the energy to generate that light would come from, making something glow as bright as the moon takes a lot of power. And why that power source selectively lights some parts some of the time. And where does the sunlight that hits the moon ends up, if it’s not reflected.
I would think it’s a troll, but these days you’d never know. Even if a troll for example claims vaccines cause autism for the grift, idiots still believe it.
Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jan 19:40
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These people are walking among us. Worse - they sometimes breed.
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jan 19:56
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I feel for every child that has to find out their parents are fucking stupid.
While it’s certainly possible for a person to be stupid, I find that very often it’s more accurate to describe a person as ignorant. In this context, I don’t mean that as an insult; I mean literal ignorance, as in the described person has not been exposed to relevant information, or possibly has been conditioned not to accept that information if it is provided.
It’s anecdotal, but most stupid people I meet aren’t stupid, just missing or unable to accept certain information. This especially applies to young people.
Ye, I agree with you. I made the comment as a joke, but I don't actually believe these people are stupid. This is a generalisation, but I think they're largely uneducated and brainwashed, but still very intelligent, and curious people. You can see this in some of the experimentation that they do that's really sound from a scientific method POV. The internet is littered with flat earthers disproving themselves.
The best ones admit they're wrong, and abandon flat earth. I have nothing but respect for those people.
Honestly, it sucks. I have never been able to take advice from either of my parents as an adult. Of course as a teen they seemed dumb to me, but even then I recognized that I was a teenager and that perception was typical for my age. But they never got any smarter. Frankly, the older I’ve grown, the more like children my parents seem to me. As a kid they always told me I was super smart. Now as an adult, do they listen to me if I try to correct their mistakes? They do not. They’ve been suckers for cons my whole life.
And no, I’m nowhere near as smart as they led me to think.
Yeah my dad never bothered me with that, but boy oh boy my mom does.
That was the biggest part of their struggle. My dad was a wild animal and my mom should’ve married a preacher.
She’s married to a man who sees the world like she does now. He’s a good dude and he’s perfect for her. She spent 30 years trying to make it work with my dad.
I like my mom’s husband, but stories could be written about my dad (wasn’t my father, just raised me).
He lived a life that would make some award winning movies look like Sesame Street.
Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net
on 04 Jan 21:55
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But I can see light. Is light reflecting light? What else am I being lied to about?
nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl
on 04 Jan 21:26
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I think the nutcake / troll was trying to convey that the rock is emitting light. Which is no less stone bonkers and a load of old cobblers, but here we are.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jan 23:32
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except you can still arguably see things that don’t reflect light, if you were anywhere near a black hole (let’s imagine it has no accretion disk and thus isn’t surrounded by a bunch of light) it’d be pretty obvious what with the bending of light and how it’s a disk of pure blackness against the backdrop of stars.
CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 17:55
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Yes. The flame is a cloud of gas and particulate heated to the point that it glows. It will reflect light. Just not a lot, and it’s also emitting enough light to overpower any reflected light in most conditions.
And things in itself that are too small to see with even a microscope do not reflect light right? Light might interact there but will not reflect in the usual sense, it can however emit light though. As far as I understand that is.
There is a lot to it wavelength, size of reflecting object (if it’s smaller than the wavelength it can’t reflect anything back also applies to emitting photons), reflectance or the fraction of light reflected at the surface of the object (the energy it obsorbs vs energy it kicks back), phase shift, if the photon is traveling from one medium to another with a lower or higher refractive index (redirection of a wave as it passess from one medium to another) it will change the oscillations (kinda like a feedback loop, photons effect electrons in the medium and electrons effect photons right back) like looking at a pencil behind a glass of water distorts what you see. I probably missed some things but I gotta admit it always fascinates me to think about light and reflection.
Never seen a singularity so would have to agree it doesn’t. Visible Event Horizons are made up of matter that does reflect light, but if there is no matter involved only light you would likely see is distorted as it passes through it from other sources
No event horizon is made up of matter. Do you mean the matter around and behind the black hole, by which the location and size of the black hole can be inferred?
Once something moves past the horizon any light that bounced off it would be pulled towards the center with it. Effectively making it non reflective. It’s possible all the energy from being crushed into a singularity causes a glow around it, like the disk around the outer area of a black hole.
If that’s the case, the glow itself would also be sucked immediately into the singularity. Maybe for the shortest of time, on the tiniest plank scale, the singularity produces light.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org
on 05 Jan 09:28
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The only form of “light” (it isn’t really light but radiation, which I’d basically the same as light just that it has a different energy value etc) is the hawking radiation.
Light bouncing of an object is what creates reflection. The only way to see reflection past the horizon is to be closer to the singularity than the object you’re looking at.
The point being that the event horizon deals with the structure of spacetime, while reflectivity is a material property. An object doesn’t get painted with vantablack when it passes the event horizon.
The accretion disk would emit light as particles were accelerated into the hole. Plus there would be hawking radiation from the evaporative process black holes have.
No. An object within the event horizon is still reflecting light just as it was before falling in. The only difference is in relation to where that reflected light can or cannot go from there.
TheWolfOfSouthEnd@lemmygrad.ml
on 04 Jan 22:32
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I used to canoe on this lake in Wales, someone had attached a buoy to a gate and chucked it in, presumably as a marker…from where our camp was, the buoy looked shiny and metallic. It was actually white and partly covered in grime. Distance does weird shit.
The only time something doesn’t reflect light is if it’s painted in that special black that’s even darker than vanta black, because that’s what makes it so black; it absorbs all light instead of reflecting any.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de
on 05 Jan 01:49
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And even that reflects a teeny tiny bit of light.
BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 11:01
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A coating, which is made from vertically aligned carbon nanotubes. Absorbs 99.995% of visible light. Vanta: A mere 99.96%.
Well I guess there was an implied comma but this works too I guess. 🤣
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 16:10
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I have a coworker who insists that global warming is a hoax because plants give off oxygen, not carbon dioxide. Can’t even get a foothold in that kind of stupid.
It’s condensed content with simpler terms and plain English, which is helpful for those who aren’t native speakers, like Gamba said.
Simple wiki also comes in handy in topics like biology, which can have very specialized vocabulary.
But in this context, the people who unironically believe in things like the moon not being a reflector can’t be reasoned with. They won’t change their mind no matter how simple English you explain the fact.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 09:41
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Is this person suggesting it’s a star with well-defined edges?
They should just be rugged individuals and use a bag, it helps get over the ingrained Marxist socialist brainwashing that will get them fake breathing as soon as they pass out from the overwhelming yearning to be free.
The bag on their head shows they must break the yoke of communism and be independent
If it doesn’t reflect light, it’d be black. If it emitted its own light then there wouldn’t be shadows in the craters of the moon and we also wouldn’t have moon phases. It’s hard to tell if this person is actually being serious because this is literally just entry level physics. Plus, we’ve collected moon rocks during the numerous moon landings.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 04:26
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Also, it wouldn’t look like a static hard circle in the sky, it would look like plasma.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
on 06 Jan 04:41
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If rocks emit their own light, how come you can land on them?
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this one could go troll or dumbass, hard to tell
Probably started as a troll and picked up by dumbasses. Like the Flat Earth Society.
I wonder if the Finland conspiracy has any genuine believers yet…
I thought it was Belgium?
This kinda makes me feel old.
The version I heard I thought it was New Zealand… 😝
Wait, it’s not Iceland?
I’ve also heard it’s Australia
New Zealand doesn't exist. Show me New Zealand on a map
(this joke works because New Zealand is left off of a stupid number of maps)
That sounds like something a Finn would say.
So Finns do exist, other than Belgian people
Pretty sure it was Idaho
But then where do the waffles come from? And the chocolates? And diamonds?
All those things come from Bielefeld !
You have been lied to your whole life !
Ok, you convinced me. Where do I sign up?
Uhhh…
That’s a great great question…
“Where is Bielefeld ?”
We know that it exists. But where ?
Bielefeld? The football club from Armenia? 😉
Where does black metal come from?
Hate to be this guy, but it’s Norway.
Finland?
Mostly Norway, Sweden, and (to a lesser extent) Denmark.
Also from a profound sense of alienation combined with a tendency towards macabre flamboyancy and just subjective stylistic preferences of expression, I guess 🤷
Ahchchcually USA has by far the most metal bands, but yeah Finland leads the per capita list by far.
Careful, that word’s really offensive in most parts of the galaxy.
Except in serious screenplays, of course.
I once won the Rory Award for The Most Gratuitous Use of that word in a Serious Screenplay, you know… Then someone stole it, of course…
What conspiracy?
That Finland does not exist. It started on reddit here: reddit.com/…/the_finland_conspiracy_and_all_you_n…
That what does not exist? I have no idea what you're talking about.
what a lame copy of the Bielefeld-Conspiracy
I went there for a visit, and they just toured me the east side of Tallinn as if I was an idiot
It’s fucking impossible to know nowadays, it has even gone into “this is so crazy that it can’t be a troll” territory. I’m at a loss of words almost daily from the level of idiocy and ignorance that infects every damn comment section everywhere. The bar for most stupid imaginable is racing lower and lower every damn second, and it’s already WAY beyond what should be possible.
From a distance, I thought this was going to be a 3D printed MST3K logo.
The reflection (scattering) of light can be seen on the picture they choose to make their point. Sure, the comment is correct that anything you can see scatters light otherwise you would not see it, but in the picture it is particular obvious where the light source is from the reflection on the rock.
I wonder how would the percentage of the people believing it change depending on the Moon’s albedo
I wonder if they think “reflection” only means the kind of reflection you see in a mirror.
specular, rather than diffuse, for reference
when i do it is called spectacular
It’s also a pretty dumb rock to use as an example. If the moon were that color it would be way brighter than it is currently. And with a rock as shiny as that you would clearly see a reflection of the sun as well.
In real life the moon is about as bright as dark asphalt and because of all the dust it is very dull as well. So a matt black paint would probably be closer to what the moon looks like. Still bright as hell compared to the nothingness that surrounds it. Our eyes are also very good at low light conditions, once we get used to the dark a little bit of light goes a long way. So we can even pick out shadows in the moonlight on earth. A brighter moon would be annoying I think, imagine having some nights that look like early evening on a sunny day. But if we evolved with it we would be used to it I guess.
Just like with flat earth the glowing moon theory fails to explain the phases of the moon or things like eclipses. And why the glow doesn’t follow black body radiation, but instead perfectly follows the tell tale signs of reflected sunlight, Fraunhofer lines and all. And where the energy to generate that light would come from, making something glow as bright as the moon takes a lot of power. And why that power source selectively lights some parts some of the time. And where does the sunlight that hits the moon ends up, if it’s not reflected.
I would think it’s a troll, but these days you’d never know. Even if a troll for example claims vaccines cause autism for the grift, idiots still believe it.
These people are walking among us. Worse - they sometimes breed.
I feel for every child that has to find out their parents are fucking stupid.
Ah, don't worry. They're often too stupid to realise that themselves
While it’s certainly possible for a person to be stupid, I find that very often it’s more accurate to describe a person as ignorant. In this context, I don’t mean that as an insult; I mean literal ignorance, as in the described person has not been exposed to relevant information, or possibly has been conditioned not to accept that information if it is provided.
It’s anecdotal, but most stupid people I meet aren’t stupid, just missing or unable to accept certain information. This especially applies to young people.
Ye, I agree with you. I made the comment as a joke, but I don't actually believe these people are stupid. This is a generalisation, but I think they're largely uneducated and brainwashed, but still very intelligent, and curious people. You can see this in some of the experimentation that they do that's really sound from a scientific method POV. The internet is littered with flat earthers disproving themselves.
The best ones admit they're wrong, and abandon flat earth. I have nothing but respect for those people.
Honestly, it sucks. I have never been able to take advice from either of my parents as an adult. Of course as a teen they seemed dumb to me, but even then I recognized that I was a teenager and that perception was typical for my age. But they never got any smarter. Frankly, the older I’ve grown, the more like children my parents seem to me. As a kid they always told me I was super smart. Now as an adult, do they listen to me if I try to correct their mistakes? They do not. They’ve been suckers for cons my whole life.
And no, I’m nowhere near as smart as they led me to think.
My dad was the dumbest man I ever knew and he still had wonderful advice sometimes.
I mean, I can say that to you here and you can only imagine with the limited data, but my dad was duuuuuuumb.
There is value in our idiot parents. We just have to find it.
My dad’s advice sums up basically to “come back to Jesus.” Mom was far worse, but she died recently.
Yeah my dad never bothered me with that, but boy oh boy my mom does.
That was the biggest part of their struggle. My dad was a wild animal and my mom should’ve married a preacher.
She’s married to a man who sees the world like she does now. He’s a good dude and he’s perfect for her. She spent 30 years trying to make it work with my dad.
I like my mom’s husband, but stories could be written about my dad (wasn’t my father, just raised me).
He lived a life that would make some award winning movies look like Sesame Street.
Intelligence is not stored in the balls
Oh now, come on. My family believes some bizarre shit and I’m glad they did enough of the hibbity dibbity to get me here.
If you can see it, it’s reflecting light
But I can see light. Is light reflecting light? What else am I being lied to about?
I think the nutcake / troll was trying to convey that the rock is emitting light. Which is no less stone bonkers and a load of old cobblers, but here we are.
Well I caught that
It only seems like rocks are brighter when you are dumber than a rock.
Rocks are literally brighter than that person :p
Everybody wants a rock…
I mean, what else are you gonna wind a piece of string around?
Do they think all rocks glow?
I mean, technically rocks do glow.
Technically everything glows.
Surprisingly, this even applies to black holes (i.e. Hawking radiation).
Now make the nornal distribution meme for it
If I remember, I can do it Monday afternoon. I unfortunately work 14 hours tomorrow and I can’t risk staying up.
This was my first thought. Somebody tell this guy that not only is his moon model there glowing, but he is too!
For bonus fun, tell him that he’s radioactive.
It would probably be fun to have some instruments on hand to prove it to him as well.
NO! You can see things because light hits it, not becuz it reflects it STOOPIT ^\s
Everything in the universe reflects light. Except black holes. Only things you cannot see do not reflect light.
Dark matter
dork matter
Lmao gotem
Group hug!
except you can still arguably see things that don’t reflect light, if you were anywhere near a black hole (let’s imagine it has no accretion disk and thus isn’t surrounded by a bunch of light) it’d be pretty obvious what with the bending of light and how it’s a disk of pure blackness against the backdrop of stars.
And you know, light sources. They don’t need to reflect any light.
But they still do. It might just be overpowered by the emitted light.
Does a candle really reflect light?
Candle fire does reflect light, that’s why it has a shadow.
Since when does fire have a shadow?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnk6RoaOKM4
Yes, paraphene candle reflects light, unless you won’t know that it’s white
I obviously mean the flame.
Yes. The flame is a cloud of gas and particulate heated to the point that it glows. It will reflect light. Just not a lot, and it’s also emitting enough light to overpower any reflected light in most conditions.
And of course the candle itself reflects light.
It doesn’t need to reflect any light though.
And things in itself that are too small to see with even a microscope do not reflect light right? Light might interact there but will not reflect in the usual sense, it can however emit light though. As far as I understand that is.
There is a lot to it wavelength, size of reflecting object (if it’s smaller than the wavelength it can’t reflect anything back also applies to emitting photons), reflectance or the fraction of light reflected at the surface of the object (the energy it obsorbs vs energy it kicks back), phase shift, if the photon is traveling from one medium to another with a lower or higher refractive index (redirection of a wave as it passess from one medium to another) it will change the oscillations (kinda like a feedback loop, photons effect electrons in the medium and electrons effect photons right back) like looking at a pencil behind a glass of water distorts what you see. I probably missed some things but I gotta admit it always fascinates me to think about light and reflection.
The event horizon isn’t a physical object. Does a singularity reflect light? (I’m guessing it’s still a no)
Never seen a singularity so would have to agree it doesn’t. Visible Event Horizons are made up of matter that does reflect light, but if there is no matter involved only light you would likely see is distorted as it passes through it from other sources
No event horizon is made up of matter. Do you mean the matter around and behind the black hole, by which the location and size of the black hole can be inferred?
Yeah that’s what I was referring to
Once something moves past the horizon any light that bounced off it would be pulled towards the center with it. Effectively making it non reflective. It’s possible all the energy from being crushed into a singularity causes a glow around it, like the disk around the outer area of a black hole.
If that’s the case, the glow itself would also be sucked immediately into the singularity. Maybe for the shortest of time, on the tiniest plank scale, the singularity produces light.
The only form of “light” (it isn’t really light but radiation, which I’d basically the same as light just that it has a different energy value etc) is the hawking radiation.
Excellent point, thank you.
The event horizon only obscures objects that are inside it, it has nothing to do with reflectivity of the object itself.
An observer situated between the singularity and an object within the event horizon could still intercept the light reflected from said object.
Light bouncing of an object is what creates reflection. The only way to see reflection past the horizon is to be closer to the singularity than the object you’re looking at.
That is what I said, yes.
The point being that the event horizon deals with the structure of spacetime, while reflectivity is a material property. An object doesn’t get painted with vantablack when it passes the event horizon.
I’m going to break this cycle and not repeat the same thing a fourth time.
The accretion disk would emit light as particles were accelerated into the hole. Plus there would be hawking radiation from the evaporative process black holes have.
The event horizon is the effect of the object not reflecting light.
No. An object within the event horizon is still reflecting light just as it was before falling in. The only difference is in relation to where that reflected light can or cannot go from there.
I used to canoe on this lake in Wales, someone had attached a buoy to a gate and chucked it in, presumably as a marker…from where our camp was, the buoy looked shiny and metallic. It was actually white and partly covered in grime. Distance does weird shit.
radioactive cheese
The only time something doesn’t reflect light is if it’s painted in that special black that’s even darker than vanta black, because that’s what makes it so black; it absorbs all light instead of reflecting any.
And even that reflects a teeny tiny bit of light.
A coating, which is made from vertically aligned carbon nanotubes. Absorbs 99.995% of visible light. Vanta: A mere 99.96%.
Black holes don’t reflect any light at all as far as I know. They do emit some light via hawking radiation, but that’s not really reflecting.
Jesus people are dumb.
First time I hear them being referred to as “Jesus people”
Well I guess there was an implied comma but this works too I guess. 🤣
I have a coworker who insists that global warming is a hoax because plants give off oxygen, not carbon dioxide. Can’t even get a foothold in that kind of stupid.
It’s particularly choice that the reader-added context uses simple.Wikipedia.org
Wait, as far as I understand, this is a wikipedia page for severely Learning disabled people? Great, since I know a lot of idiots.
It’s for children, people with learning difficulties, and/or people still learning English. …wikipedia.org/…/Wikipedia:How_to_write_Simple_En…
It’s condensed content with simpler terms and plain English, which is helpful for those who aren’t native speakers, like Gamba said.
Simple wiki also comes in handy in topics like biology, which can have very specialized vocabulary.
But in this context, the people who unironically believe in things like the moon not being a reflector can’t be reasoned with. They won’t change their mind no matter how simple English you explain the fact.
Is this person suggesting it’s a star with well-defined edges?
Cold fusion achieved!
I LOVE that they attached a picture. 🙃
Breathing is fake. You really don’t have to breath. Don’t accept this group delusion. Quit breathing. You can do it just keep trying to quit.
Or better yet, get someone to help you quit.
They should just be rugged individuals and use a bag, it helps get over the ingrained Marxist socialist brainwashing that will get them fake breathing as soon as they pass out from the overwhelming yearning to be free.
The bag on their head shows they must break the yoke of communism and be independent
Mirrors
IS THAT A TWISTED SISTER DELTA PLEDGE PIN?!!
ON YOUR UNIFORM?!!
I wanna ROCK
(insert banjo twang here)
ROCK !!!
Duh duh duh
Duh dah dah
If it doesn’t reflect light, it’d be black. If it emitted its own light then there wouldn’t be shadows in the craters of the moon and we also wouldn’t have moon phases. It’s hard to tell if this person is actually being serious because this is literally just entry level physics. Plus, we’ve collected moon rocks during the numerous moon landings.
Also, it wouldn’t look like a static hard circle in the sky, it would look like plasma.
If rocks emit their own light, how come you can land on them?