Yeah, itās frustrating that a lot of people donāt seem to get that, they just assume that how they interpret it is how everyone must see it
idiomaddict@feddit.de
on 03 Jul 17:58
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I believe it was genuine and the person you responded to was messing with you or misunderstood. It does happen to the best of us, and the smiley face seems like a reassuring gesture.
I mean youāre not wrong lol. I only mentioned it because of the comma before an ālolā at the end of your sentence. I have android and it started correcting my ālol grammarā with commas as well.
I like to punctuate with ālolā dammit, I donāt need it to be grammatically correct!
I too am absolutely pumped to live in a world where human artistry is all but confined to the wealthy, and we all get AI generated pseudo-art instead! Woot woot!
perishthethought@lemm.ee
on 03 Jul 13:44
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<shudder> Nightmare scenario
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 15:12
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Isnāt that how it was for the majority of history? Minus the AI crap anyway.
Still, the average person has incredible opportunity to see some of the very best art, as long as they live in or near a big city. Admission to most galleries or museums is not expensive at all.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 15:57
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The problem is that the average working class person doesnāt have a lot of time where they also have energy and donāt have to do chores. In that state, most people arenāt receptive for learning and enjoying culture. And itās very understandable.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 16:02
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I think that has more to do with technology and the attention economy than anything else. Working class people used to read books a lot more than they do now. Then along came TV (aka the idiot box) to soak up those free hours. Now itās all Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Netflix.
lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jul 16:05
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I doubt working class people spent their evenings reading high-brow books. Magazines, cheaper novels, things that donāt demand much mental investment after 8+ hours of work have drained your energy and left a little for chores.
Families that could live on a single income may have had more time, but if that has reduced, it may well because a single income often canāt sustain a whole family any more.
TV didnāt magically create a need for mindless entertainment. It may have supplanted other recreational activities, but it couldnāt replace e.g. meeting up for a drink and a nice chat unless the convenience of it outweighed the loss of social activity.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 16:31
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They might not have read Joyce but I can guarantee they were reading Steinbeck, Hemingway, Poe, Whitman, Dickinson, Twain, Vonnegut, Lee, Salinger, Frost.
All the novels and poetry in the American canon, the stuff high school students groan about having to read today, were once bestsellers in their day. You donāt get to be a bestseller back then by selling only to millionaires.
No, (though depends on your definition of art) but thereās a reason that public buildings (Churches, for instance) were often the best decorated with murals, frescoes, and statues.
Also within local communities there would be musicians and artisans who were known for their work.
That said, art did become more privatised once the 17th century rolled around. Obviously varied by geographic regions, etc. (e.g. Artist items (amongst other items of worth) were deliberately shared out by many American Indian groups in potlatches as acts of redistribution.)
Can someone explain the fries part ? I understand this is in reference to an order someone would make at a fast food restaurant, but what is the link ? what does it suggest ?
BubbleMonkey@slrpnk.net
on 03 Jul 16:45
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It suggests that art and literature are worthless, and if you have such a degree youāll be working fast food, known as among the worst jobs (low paid and nobody has a lot of respect for fast food workers).
As a retired cold and mean hearted Toolmaker and ME, there is a need for Art Majors in this world. Just not as many of them as we produce perhaps. Kind of like Astrophysicists, we do need them, but truthfully there are only a handful of jobs available for those degrees. So the majority often need to figure out what they can do besides their degree training.
If you want to be an Art Major, you will most likely need to figure on finding a job that can tangentially make use of your artistic training. Because you probably wonāt become a famous painter or professor teaching art in a collage or work in an art museum.
But you can become an art teacher in a high school or perhaps work in web design or some kind of advertising. Not what the average art major might wish to be, but rather careers that can use those skills.
That all the arts degree will be good for is working in food service
Barzaria@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Jul 17:43
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The comedy is created by subversion of your expectation that college degreed people would not be working at a fast food place. The interaction is meant to be read initially as a neutral status interaction and then slides into a upper to lower status interaction as the post reveals that the answer to the implied question from the customer is that the cashier has an art degree. The initial humor is at the expense of the cashier. The next part of the joke reveals that the customer is, in fact, of true lower status of the two because they donāt understand the horror of a world that will result from devaluing those with art knowledge, exemplified in the joke as those with art degrees. The art degree here is a stand in for our capacity for human empathy and connection. What fools we would be without it. What greater fools could we become if we actively refused to cultivate it. We could become evil, and that fact, that true evil that can exist and we could have blindness to it or even become it, is the comedy here. The banality of the customer here, the interaction, the shittiness of it all, that is the comedy. How this helps, it was not generated in any way by AI and itās fuckin sad that I have to say that.
Now thatās a sound meme interpretation. Do you have an art degree by any chance?
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee
on 03 Jul 20:10
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If post modernism hadnāt eaten its own tail id have more sympathy.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 20:43
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Art is subjective, but for me being in a museum and going from Impressionism and post impressionism, and into a modern and post modern gallery is like a slap in the face.
In my experience, all I feel is it goes from beautiful paintings with high skill level used by artists to visually manipulate form and shape to create coherent but stylized images, to ācheck out this crushed oil drum, really makes you think huh?ā
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 21:54
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Really gives the impression of that feeling you get when a school project is due soon but you have no idea what to do and donāt particularly care to do it but know you have to do something if you donāt want to get a 0.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee
on 04 Jul 04:46
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If u have to explain why your art is meaningful you have failed as an artist.
I think what you dislike is bad or low effort art, not post modernism. Just because piece of art denies the canon, or the classics, doesnāt necessarily mean it must eschew beauty, or be made without technical skill.
Apologies to anyone who knows their art history - Iām speaking in broad strokes here.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world
on 05 Jul 12:24
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I was in a museum last week that held some of the āgreatsā of modern and post modern movements, and I much preferred the other galleries.
The top one looks like light coming through closed shades. Kind of makes me of how think about how many people see a similar view before they get out of bed.
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 05 Jul 14:27
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Personally, my beef is not only the low skill/effort a lot of the post modernism sculptures have, but also that their whole point, of making fun of āhigh artā, of museums and whatnot, was subverted. The subversion of art was subverted. Not even Banksy could fully escape the elitist assholes and even though that picture was shredded after the auction, itās still āvaluableā
Lmao I went to art school. Used to hang at the state tech school tailgates across town because I like college football. Would always get this razz from my STEM buddies there but was mostly just fun. I actually cooked at a restaurant in town to pay for rent/beer money too haha.
Got sous and almost stayed in the industry after college but decided to go for it. Currently work in my art degree field. I make more than my STEM friends. Not that it matters really to me. Everyone should be able to earn a wage doing something they enjoy.
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This person needs some humbling.
I do believe this is sarcasm.
Friends have told me before that I often miss sarcasm.
It happens to the best of us. :)
Haha, nice one
See, this right here, Iād have taken that as genuine. Why am I like this?
There are a lot of people like you, and it is why the use of /s is necessary, and in my opinion a good thing
Especially since we cannot hear tone out of our screens.
Yeah, itās frustrating that a lot of people donāt seem to get that, they just assume that how they interpret it is how everyone must see it
I believe it was genuine and the person you responded to was messing with you or misunderstood. It does happen to the best of us, and the smiley face seems like a reassuring gesture.
It is genuine! Amg š š„²
Found the STEM major.
M. Sc., occasionally published science researcher and post graduate instructor.
On top of missing sarcasm, kids in FPS games razz me for speaking too formally.
There is something wrong with me, lol.
Donāt worry about that one. Itās one of the few cases where the children are in fact wrong.
Why else would you be post graduate instructor?
How so? Because you donāt elaborate on you will fuck their mothers?
Check if itās autism.
Aināt nothing wrong with that.
Happens to the best of us. :)
Not just the best tho, I got it too
Aspy af
Are you also a millennial who uses an android phone?
Theyāre superior phones.
I mean youāre not wrong lol. I only mentioned it because of the comma before an ālolā at the end of your sentence. I have android and it started correcting my ālol grammarā with commas as well.
I like to punctuate with ālolā dammit, I donāt need it to be grammatically correct!
People tell me that irl rather than online :/
I too am absolutely pumped to live in a world where human artistry is all but confined to the wealthy, and we all get AI generated pseudo-art instead! Woot woot!
<shudder> Nightmare scenario
Isnāt that how it was for the majority of history? Minus the AI crap anyway.
Still, the average person has incredible opportunity to see some of the very best art, as long as they live in or near a big city. Admission to most galleries or museums is not expensive at all.
The problem is that the average working class person doesnāt have a lot of time where they also have energy and donāt have to do chores. In that state, most people arenāt receptive for learning and enjoying culture. And itās very understandable.
I think that has more to do with technology and the attention economy than anything else. Working class people used to read books a lot more than they do now. Then along came TV (aka the idiot box) to soak up those free hours. Now itās all Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Netflix.
I doubt working class people spent their evenings reading high-brow books. Magazines, cheaper novels, things that donāt demand much mental investment after 8+ hours of work have drained your energy and left a little for chores.
Families that could live on a single income may have had more time, but if that has reduced, it may well because a single income often canāt sustain a whole family any more.
TV didnāt magically create a need for mindless entertainment. It may have supplanted other recreational activities, but it couldnāt replace e.g. meeting up for a drink and a nice chat unless the convenience of it outweighed the loss of social activity.
They might not have read Joyce but I can guarantee they were reading Steinbeck, Hemingway, Poe, Whitman, Dickinson, Twain, Vonnegut, Lee, Salinger, Frost.
All the novels and poetry in the American canon, the stuff high school students groan about having to read today, were once bestsellers in their day. You donāt get to be a bestseller back then by selling only to millionaires.
No, (though depends on your definition of art) but thereās a reason that public buildings (Churches, for instance) were often the best decorated with murals, frescoes, and statues.
Also within local communities there would be musicians and artisans who were known for their work.
That said, art did become more privatised once the 17th century rolled around. Obviously varied by geographic regions, etc. (e.g. Artist items (amongst other items of worth) were deliberately shared out by many American Indian groups in potlatches as acts of redistribution.)
Can someone explain the fries part ? I understand this is in reference to an order someone would make at a fast food restaurant, but what is the link ? what does it suggest ?
It suggests that art and literature are worthless, and if you have such a degree youāll be working fast food, known as among the worst jobs (low paid and nobody has a lot of respect for fast food workers).
it suggests that art majors are not employable in their field of study and thus end up working in fast food
As a retired cold and mean hearted Toolmaker and ME, there is a need for Art Majors in this world. Just not as many of them as we produce perhaps. Kind of like Astrophysicists, we do need them, but truthfully there are only a handful of jobs available for those degrees. So the majority often need to figure out what they can do besides their degree training.
If you want to be an Art Major, you will most likely need to figure on finding a job that can tangentially make use of your artistic training. Because you probably wonāt become a famous painter or professor teaching art in a collage or work in an art museum.
But you can become an art teacher in a high school or perhaps work in web design or some kind of advertising. Not what the average art major might wish to be, but rather careers that can use those skills.
That all the arts degree will be good for is working in food service
The comedy is created by subversion of your expectation that college degreed people would not be working at a fast food place. The interaction is meant to be read initially as a neutral status interaction and then slides into a upper to lower status interaction as the post reveals that the answer to the implied question from the customer is that the cashier has an art degree. The initial humor is at the expense of the cashier. The next part of the joke reveals that the customer is, in fact, of true lower status of the two because they donāt understand the horror of a world that will result from devaluing those with art knowledge, exemplified in the joke as those with art degrees. The art degree here is a stand in for our capacity for human empathy and connection. What fools we would be without it. What greater fools could we become if we actively refused to cultivate it. We could become evil, and that fact, that true evil that can exist and we could have blindness to it or even become it, is the comedy here. The banality of the customer here, the interaction, the shittiness of it all, that is the comedy. How this helps, it was not generated in any way by AI and itās fuckin sad that I have to say that.
Now thatās a sound meme interpretation. Do you have an art degree by any chance?
If post modernism hadnāt eaten its own tail id have more sympathy.
Art is subjective, but for me being in a museum and going from Impressionism and post impressionism, and into a modern and post modern gallery is like a slap in the face.
In my experience, all I feel is it goes from beautiful paintings with high skill level used by artists to visually manipulate form and shape to create coherent but stylized images, to ācheck out this crushed oil drum, really makes you think huh?ā
Really gives the impression of that feeling you get when a school project is due soon but you have no idea what to do and donāt particularly care to do it but know you have to do something if you donāt want to get a 0.
If u have to explain why your art is meaningful you have failed as an artist.
I think what you dislike is bad or low effort art, not post modernism. Just because piece of art denies the canon, or the classics, doesnāt necessarily mean it must eschew beauty, or be made without technical skill.
Apologies to anyone who knows their art history - Iām speaking in broad strokes here.
I was in a museum last week that held some of the āgreatsā of modern and post modern movements, and I much preferred the other galleries.
Mark Rothkoās abstract expressionism:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f913c198-0643-48b4-8111-2f2f5ac13f83.jpeg">
Vs
Van Gogh.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7d6b647f-fc87-4c81-83a0-ca910905120f.jpeg">
For me, itās not even close.
The top one looks like light coming through closed shades. Kind of makes me of how think about how many people see a similar view before they get out of bed.
Personally, my beef is not only the low skill/effort a lot of the post modernism sculptures have, but also that their whole point, of making fun of āhigh artā, of museums and whatnot, was subverted. The subversion of art was subverted. Not even Banksy could fully escape the elitist assholes and even though that picture was shredded after the auction, itās still āvaluableā
When Iām hungry, fuck them art majors. When Iām bored though, also fuck them art majors.
Thereās a piss stain that looks like the virgin Mary, you can study that for fweeeeeeeee
Same
Idiot.
Lmao I went to art school. Used to hang at the state tech school tailgates across town because I like college football. Would always get this razz from my STEM buddies there but was mostly just fun. I actually cooked at a restaurant in town to pay for rent/beer money too haha.
Got sous and almost stayed in the industry after college but decided to go for it. Currently work in my art degree field. I make more than my STEM friends. Not that it matters really to me. Everyone should be able to earn a wage doing something they enjoy.
Art wonāt make line go up. PRAISE LINE š NOTHING MATTERS BUT LINE!