I know it’s a joke. But would a wolf consider a human an apex predator? What about bears? Do these animals fear humans? I can’t say I’m familiar with them. I figured they wouldn’t, in most circumstances. I would think their default stance towards us is that we’re their prey
Collatz_problem@hexbear.net
on 22 Jun 14:11
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Bears usually avoid humans, unless very hungry, because those who didn’t avoid us, didn’t tend to live very long.
We are certainly not their prey and without modern urban sprawl forcing animals into urbanized areas they would avoid humans as much as possible and this has been true for thousands of years.
Just giving the boys some air! Some animals are so damned judgemental.
leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
on 22 Jun 20:46
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Most animals know humans are too much trouble to mess with.
Sure, you can kill one human. But next thing you know your whole species has gone extinct, or worse, has been domesticated into pocket yappy dogs that can’t breathe properly.
In places where we’ve been around long enough staying away from humans has practically been bred into every surviving predator’s instincts by now (which is what makes polar bears so terrifying, they’re about the only dangerous predator that doesn’t have this instinct yet, and probably never will, now that murdering whole species has become a bit of a bad look); anything that considered us prey and didn’t learn not to simply doesn’t exist anymore.
Wolves in particular (in the few places where they survive) definitely know not to mess with us, except maybe in the frozen depths of Canada, and so do most bears (again, with possible exceptions in the least populated bits of North America) except polar ones.
Large predators have a species memory that tells them in general messing with a human scent can easily lead to a bad day for you. Because we have spent millennia hunting and killing them. So they have learned to avoid us directly.
This does not mean that that in certain instances, such as starvation or if they feel cornered and trapped, that you can’t get hurt by them. So when I go out into the forest, and where I live we have black bears, wolves, and now permanent cougars-- and not the ones you might find in a bar on Friday nights either --the only one of those three I find a bit dicey to be around is the cougars. Bears and wolves really don’t like people and make themselves very scarce very fast once they know you are there if there is an open escape route they can take.
Big cats, on the other hand don’t appear to be the brightest bulbs in the box. And tend to be more of an issue for humans mucking about in the wilds where the cats are found. When I do venture out into areas that I have seen sign or even worse, spotted a cat, I do tend to carry a pistol for self defense in those areas. I’ve not needed to use it and very much hope not to ever need it. But being ‘forearmed is to to be forewarned’ so to speak.
I mean, if animals engage in pretend fights and other forms of play, it seems that they can on some level grasp the idea of practicing or doing something for fun.
snootchiebootchies@lemmynsfw.com
on 23 Jun 10:21
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The thing is, humans are astonishingly good at conserving energy when running. We can literally run prey to death by just keeping on going when most animals run out of energy.
One time, I was in the arctic doing some research. On a snowmobile, in winter, we crest a hill and see a couple of wolves pigging out on a caribou. I’m riding in the toboggan, and I start telling at the driver: “go go go!” They proceeded to chase our snowmobile for like a mile, with no hope at all of catching us, but running anyway. Like dogs chasing tires, I think they had no choice. Instincts are strong.
iheartneopets@lemm.ee
on 22 Jun 15:40
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I mean, the ability to run long distances without tiring is kind of what makes humans an apex predator. We can out-endurance just about every other creature. Most ancient human hunting techniques involved just wounding an animal, and then literally chasing it until it got too tired to keep going.
Wolves are very similar, which is what made us such natural hunting companions. The co-evolution of humans and dogs is an extremely interesting rabbit hole, if anyone is looking for one.
All that to say, the wolf would understand the need to run more than just about any other animal. A bear would work better here. A wolf would just see us running and think ‘game recognizes game’, just like they already did eons ago :3
Humans aren’t good at running fast, but we are good at running for a long time for long distances, so it’s thought that we would just run after things until they got tired.
So like you know how people in horror movies would run and then look over their shoulder and Jason is somehow still there?
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 17:43
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Back in my reddit days I wrote a long comment about the fact that zombies are scary because they are the ultimate persistence hunters.
TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 18:36
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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 23:28
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Zombies aren’t scary. They’re popular movie monsters because, while looking vaguely human, they’re sufficiently “othered” that you can kill them without remorse (thus acting as a convenient stand-in for other groups that the audience wishes they could do that to) and because they represent an apocalypse that kills most of the people but leaves the stuff behind, meaning that you don’t have to deal with society anymore but you’ll still easily have a roof over your head and food on your table (albeit mostly canned food.)
Huh, never thought about it that way. Great metaphor, tbh.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 22 Jun 17:59
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It’s a consequence of bipedalism, less energy consumption to run but also slower
JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 19:32
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Yea but also tools
We don’t have to stop for water, we can bring some
Same for food
Our preys didn’t have such luck
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 Jun 19:40
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It’s a few things that stem from bipedalism:
We can run and breathe entirely separately. Most quadrupeds lack the ability to run and take breaths independently of the pace of each step. Watching cheetahs sprint, for example, show that they have no choice but to exhale every time their legs come together and inhale every time their legs push apart.
Running on our hind legs only frees up our hands to be able to use tools and weapons, maybe even water containers for drinking on the go.
We can see further by standing up, and can make tactical decisions based on terrain, while still running pretty much full speed.
Combined with our unusual ability to cool ourselves by sweating, this gives us an advantage over pretty much any animal in the heat. Wolves and horses can still outrun humans in the cold, but lack the cooling mechanisms to maintain pace in the same heat that we can.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jun 22:22
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We also have by far the best throwing game in the world. Some animals can spit with reasonable accuracy, some apes can kind of lob shit in a general direction, and there’s that one lizard that can spray blood from its eye, but nothing in the animal kingdom past or present has a human’s innate ability for ranged attack. The average man can throw a fist sized rock hard and accurate enough to crack a skull from 20 yards with his bare hand. And we’ve spent the last 10,000 years inventing newer and more impressive ways of throwing stuff.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 23:32
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Humans domesticated dogs for their ability to hunt by scent. Dogs domesticated humans for their ability to throw a tennis ball.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jun 23:50
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Cats purr and get free shit.
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Jun 13:56
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Cats keep rodents under control so that our stored grain isn’t destroyed or contaminated.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jun 18:44
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Mine doesn’t. She just yells at me when she wants Fancy Feast.
lizard that can spray blood from its eye, but nothing in the animal kingdom past or present has a human’s innate ability for ranged attack
I don’t know, a hawk plummeting from the sky at 190km/h onto something the size of a small rodent is kind of impressive, too, if you count the bird throwing itself as throwing…
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 23:31
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Running on our hind legs only frees up our hands to be able to use tools and weapons, maybe even water containers for drinking on the go.
And for wanking, although that may just be an adaptation to compensate for our inability to lick our own dicks.
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 20:57
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That’s pretty cool. However, no human has ever won by more than 15min, and every horse has a 15min delay built into their times. So even the biggest winning margin of nearly 11 minutes would have lost to the horse if they had started at the same time.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 23:21
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The horses also all had humans on their backs. To my knowledge, none of the humans had horses on their backs.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net
on 23 Jun 05:28
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For it to be scientifically accurate of a comparison, the ratio of weight:human needs to be equal to that of rider:horse, not a direct flip.
In case my phrasing is confusing, to illustrate what I mean here is an example: a 200lb horse carrying a 100lb human is equivalent to a 100lb human carrying a 50lb weight.
The Western States trail in the California Sierras used to be where a 100-mile horse race took place that horse and rider had to complete in 24 hours. At some point in the 1970s one of the riders decided not to take a horse, and he finished in 23 hours on foot. Now it’s an annual footrace that the winner finishes in about 14 hours.
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Jun 13:54
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This study analyzes historical results of three different man versus horse races (in Wales, in Virginia, and in California). The data shows that human performance decreases with temperature, but less so than horses, so that 30°C is approximately where the best humans can start outperforming the best horses that year.
I would think that even with 15 minutes of intermittent pauses/checks, that time is still productive for cooling the animal and would add less than 15 minutes to the theoretical total if they were allowed to run the whole time.
Also in very short races (up to 100m) if the human is an olympic athlete, though mostly because momentum is a bitch and it takes time for the horse to accelerate all that mass, and by the time it’s done the race is already over (it also probably helps that the athlete knows what they’re doing while the horse is just along for the ride and wondering where it can get some grass).
nucleative@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 02:22
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So apex that most of us outsource our hunting and farming, which makes us fat and slow unless we purposefully burn energy for no other purpose than to burn it.
DarthFrodo@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 11:17
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So apex that even hunters need firearms because they’re not fit enough to hunt without them nowadays, and unable to improvise and use self made weapons like the og hunters did.
I guess people that drive a forklift are “apex powerlifters” too.
Smart apex hunters always conserve as much energy as they can during a hunt. Because you don’t know when your next meal might show up. And firearms do make hunting a more sure thing. Hunting game, of any kind, is high risk-- higher reward effort. Most hunters go home empty handed or with little to show for the effort. But, if you do get it right, the effort can be handsomely rewarded.
So if you are smart enough to develop ranged weapons, you eagerly use them to hunt supper.
DarthFrodo@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 14:27
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But could the average hunter still hunt without the help of modern technology? Those who are entirely unable to do so are obviously not apex predators.
A lion can hunt any day without relying on a rifle, the vast majority of hunters could not.
So if you are smart enough to develop ranged weapons
Hunters that can build their own bows or spears and are able to hunt with them are genuine apex predators, that’s fair.
Those who are completely reliant on industrially produced high tech firearms bought in a store, and would be outcompeted by any house cat without them, are not.
A lion can hunt because they come with weapons biologically attached. Humans not so much. And even you could fashion a spear with little effort. Which by your definition would make you a apex predator. And it did so for millennia.
I’m an old toolmaker that still has a small shop. I could make firearms from scratch if I wanted to. There is nothing special or complex about them. But I choose to purchase them from stores. So perhaps that demotes me from being a apex predator.
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Jun 13:43
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In order to make a firearm from scratch you must first create the universe.
Seafood requires far less effort to collect. Make lobster traps and trotlines which are catching food while you can do other tasks at the same time. Seaweed for some veggies on the side.
Seafood requires a lot of expensive resources to acquire. Boats, nets, traps, baits, access to the water, and not to mention the inherent risk of being on the ocean. Better to hunt herbivores on land.
Fishing is fun and good, but you still need access to water with a fish living in it. But a sharp stick or a rock is still cheaper and easier. Even a bow and arrow is very low tech and easily fashioned.
Well I live on the coast in the UK, so there is quite a bit of access to water. But even inland you should have lakes/rivers with fish in them too, even if they can be a bit harder to catch.
Not sure there, most seafishing methods are illegal on freshwater here.
I live in Minnesota USA-- The Land of 10,000 lakes. It’s actually 14,380 bodies of water 10 acres or larger. 117,000 if you add the waterbodies/ponds smaller than 10 acres. I’m sitting in my house drinking my tea and looking at the lake I live on. Minnesotans own 14,505 registered watercraft per 100,000 people-- the most in the US. And all of us spend LOT of time fishing on them. But it would be extremely illegal to use nets or traps to fish for them. (There are carve outs for Native Americans to do some limited netting).
So historically, eating fish on a non-commercial scale has been an important thing in this region since before European settlers showed up. But it has never been the main source of meat due to the general extra work it takes. It’s still easier to stick an arrow, (even a well thrown rock), into rabbit or squirrel. And a far bigger payout in calories to shoot that arrow into a white tail deer, elk, or moose with less effort than a fish.
Lakes are more limited than the sea though, I know here there are significantly fewer restrictions on sea fishing than fresh water. I can throw 50 traps off a kayak in the sea and I don’t even need a license or permit.
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Dogs do love a good jog though. Give that good boi a bit of kibble and then see how he feels.
“He’s running so slow…”
1 hour later
“How can he still be running like that?”
“I don’t know why they’re running, but let’s chase them!”
They are animals and cant understand cause and effect. With nothing to chase or hunt you expire as a blob of fat
I know it’s a joke. But would a wolf consider a human an apex predator? What about bears? Do these animals fear humans? I can’t say I’m familiar with them. I figured they wouldn’t, in most circumstances. I would think their default stance towards us is that we’re their prey
Bears usually avoid humans, unless very hungry, because those who didn’t avoid us, didn’t tend to live very long.
We are certainly not their prey and without modern urban sprawl forcing animals into urbanized areas they would avoid humans as much as possible and this has been true for thousands of years.
Humans are the ones wielding fire after all.
The bears and coyotes around here hide from me! Even if I try and creep on 'em, they still usually sense me and run.
“ah shit, it’s that weird human again. Better hide or it will get awkward”
Maybe put your dick away then
Just giving the boys some air! Some animals are so damned judgemental.
Most animals know humans are too much trouble to mess with.
Sure, you can kill one human. But next thing you know your whole species has gone extinct, or worse, has been domesticated into pocket yappy dogs that can’t breathe properly.
In places where we’ve been around long enough staying away from humans has practically been bred into every surviving predator’s instincts by now (which is what makes polar bears so terrifying, they’re about the only dangerous predator that doesn’t have this instinct yet, and probably never will, now that murdering whole species has become a bit of a bad look); anything that considered us prey and didn’t learn not to simply doesn’t exist anymore.
Wolves in particular (in the few places where they survive) definitely know not to mess with us, except maybe in the frozen depths of Canada, and so do most bears (again, with possible exceptions in the least populated bits of North America) except polar ones.
Large predators have a species memory that tells them in general messing with a human scent can easily lead to a bad day for you. Because we have spent millennia hunting and killing them. So they have learned to avoid us directly.
This does not mean that that in certain instances, such as starvation or if they feel cornered and trapped, that you can’t get hurt by them. So when I go out into the forest, and where I live we have black bears, wolves, and now permanent cougars-- and not the ones you might find in a bar on Friday nights either --the only one of those three I find a bit dicey to be around is the cougars. Bears and wolves really don’t like people and make themselves very scarce very fast once they know you are there if there is an open escape route they can take.
Big cats, on the other hand don’t appear to be the brightest bulbs in the box. And tend to be more of an issue for humans mucking about in the wilds where the cats are found. When I do venture out into areas that I have seen sign or even worse, spotted a cat, I do tend to carry a pistol for self defense in those areas. I’ve not needed to use it and very much hope not to ever need it. But being ‘forearmed is to to be forewarned’ so to speak.
I mean, if animals engage in pretend fights and other forms of play, it seems that they can on some level grasp the idea of practicing or doing something for fun.
Run…for FUN? What the hell kind of fun is that?
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I just want you to know, I know what you’re referencing
Conserving energy is not really our thing.
If I need more energy I’ll just set something on fire
The thing is, humans are astonishingly good at conserving energy when running. We can literally run prey to death by just keeping on going when most animals run out of energy.
Sweat offers cooling bonuses.
Something about being upright too but I don’t recall.
Standing upright simultaneously exposes more skin surface area to the flow of air, while minimizing the skin’s exposure to direct sunlight.
Bipedal running gains a lot of energy just by falling forward rather than pushing forward every step.
Whoever made this has never met a dog
Yeah, this post shows a tragic lack of familiarity with the concept of zoomies.
One time, I was in the arctic doing some research. On a snowmobile, in winter, we crest a hill and see a couple of wolves pigging out on a caribou. I’m riding in the toboggan, and I start telling at the driver: “go go go!” They proceeded to chase our snowmobile for like a mile, with no hope at all of catching us, but running anyway. Like dogs chasing tires, I think they had no choice. Instincts are strong.
If an apex predator is running, maybe keep up.
I mean, the ability to run long distances without tiring is kind of what makes humans an apex predator. We can out-endurance just about every other creature. Most ancient human hunting techniques involved just wounding an animal, and then literally chasing it until it got too tired to keep going.
Wolves are very similar, which is what made us such natural hunting companions. The co-evolution of humans and dogs is an extremely interesting rabbit hole, if anyone is looking for one.
All that to say, the wolf would understand the need to run more than just about any other animal. A bear would work better here. A wolf would just see us running and think ‘game recognizes game’, just like they already did eons ago :3
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I love this. Thank you
not even wounding. Just persistent tracking and following. Most prey animals can run away quickly, but need lots of rest.
Humans can just keep going. And going. And going. Until the prey just is too exhausted to run.
Yes, very true! I almost added that when writing my comment, but didn’t want to blather on too long in a comment about a meme haha
It’s why the trope of an enemy that never stops/is endless is so terrifying, and thus common in media.
That’s why you can’t take your eyes off the snail!
That’s actually the decoy snail
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Pay some college students to cast the snail in epoxy.
Got it.
I am prey.
I guess the Energizer Bunny was an evolution that came about, due to humanity’s hunting style…
That how traditional zombies hunt ppl. Slow and inevitable.
No, no I didn’t need that rabbit hole…
(spends the next hour reading about it)
Jogging from the perspective of non-human animals
FTFY
🤓☝️
Yeah, some humans also wonder why jogging is a thing.
So this is pretty neat:
science.org/…/born-run-early-endurance-running--m…
Humans aren’t good at running fast, but we are good at running for a long time for long distances, so it’s thought that we would just run after things until they got tired.
So like you know how people in horror movies would run and then look over their shoulder and Jason is somehow still there?
Back in my reddit days I wrote a long comment about the fact that zombies are scary because they are the ultimate persistence hunters.
That is scarier to me than the fast zombies.
I mean, them being walking corpses might also have something to do with it…
I remember reading that
Zombies aren’t scary. They’re popular movie monsters because, while looking vaguely human, they’re sufficiently “othered” that you can kill them without remorse (thus acting as a convenient stand-in for other groups that the audience wishes they could do that to) and because they represent an apocalypse that kills most of the people but leaves the stuff behind, meaning that you don’t have to deal with society anymore but you’ll still easily have a roof over your head and food on your table (albeit mostly canned food.)
Huh, never thought about it that way. Great metaphor, tbh.
It’s a consequence of bipedalism, less energy consumption to run but also slower
Yea but also tools
We don’t have to stop for water, we can bring some
Same for food
Our preys didn’t have such luck
It’s a few things that stem from bipedalism:
Combined with our unusual ability to cool ourselves by sweating, this gives us an advantage over pretty much any animal in the heat. Wolves and horses can still outrun humans in the cold, but lack the cooling mechanisms to maintain pace in the same heat that we can.
We also have by far the best throwing game in the world. Some animals can spit with reasonable accuracy, some apes can kind of lob shit in a general direction, and there’s that one lizard that can spray blood from its eye, but nothing in the animal kingdom past or present has a human’s innate ability for ranged attack. The average man can throw a fist sized rock hard and accurate enough to crack a skull from 20 yards with his bare hand. And we’ve spent the last 10,000 years inventing newer and more impressive ways of throwing stuff.
Humans domesticated dogs for their ability to hunt by scent. Dogs domesticated humans for their ability to throw a tennis ball.
Cats purr and get free shit.
Cats keep rodents under control so that our stored grain isn’t destroyed or contaminated.
Mine doesn’t. She just yells at me when she wants Fancy Feast.
That and the easy free meals and wamr place to sleep for not much effort in return.
I don’t know, a hawk plummeting from the sky at 190km/h onto something the size of a small rodent is kind of impressive, too, if you count the bird throwing itself as throwing…
And for wanking, although that may just be an adaptation to compensate for our inability to lick our own dicks.
Funny enough there is another animal I know that can sweat, have more endurance than humans, and much faster than humans. Horses.
Imagine you fear getting caught by a horse or a human and then suddenly a human riding a horse shows up.
humans can beat a horse in a marathon!
en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Man_versus_Horse_Marathon
www.managainsthorse.net/result.html
That’s pretty cool. However, no human has ever won by more than 15min, and every horse has a 15min delay built into their times. So even the biggest winning margin of nearly 11 minutes would have lost to the horse if they had started at the same time.
The horses also all had humans on their backs. To my knowledge, none of the humans had horses on their backs.
For it to be scientifically accurate of a comparison, the ratio of weight:human needs to be equal to that of rider:horse, not a direct flip.
In case my phrasing is confusing, to illustrate what I mean here is an example: a 200lb horse carrying a 100lb human is equivalent to a 100lb human carrying a 50lb weight.
Things don’t scale linearly like that. Many things are proportional to either the surface (so x²) or volume (x³) or complex combinations of those.
Oh true true. I forgot about the square-cube law.
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The Western States trail in the California Sierras used to be where a 100-mile horse race took place that horse and rider had to complete in 24 hours. At some point in the 1970s one of the riders decided not to take a horse, and he finished in 23 hours on foot. Now it’s an annual footrace that the winner finishes in about 14 hours.
This study analyzes historical results of three different man versus horse races (in Wales, in Virginia, and in California). The data shows that human performance decreases with temperature, but less so than horses, so that 30°C is approximately where the best humans can start outperforming the best horses that year.
I would think that even with 15 minutes of intermittent pauses/checks, that time is still productive for cooling the animal and would add less than 15 minutes to the theoretical total if they were allowed to run the whole time.
Also in very short races (up to 100m) if the human is an olympic athlete, though mostly because momentum is a bitch and it takes time for the horse to accelerate all that mass, and by the time it’s done the race is already over (it also probably helps that the athlete knows what they’re doing while the horse is just along for the ride and wondering where it can get some grass).
Horses sweat? Huh.
Yeah it turns to foam especially under saddles
I say this to myself when I see people jogging and I really just want to yell “what are you running from!?”
They’re running from health problems
And other problems
Only to be tackled by a car crash at 47 yo.
Not sure I’ve ever seen it phrased that way…
‘Looking like you fatass’
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Let’s say it’s part of a mating ritual. I know this is not true, but I believe it gets the point across.
Other animals get zoomies too.
So apex that most of us outsource our hunting and farming, which makes us fat and slow unless we purposefully burn energy for no other purpose than to burn it.
So apex that even hunters need firearms because they’re not fit enough to hunt without them nowadays, and unable to improvise and use self made weapons like the og hunters did.
I guess people that drive a forklift are “apex powerlifters” too.
Smart apex hunters always conserve as much energy as they can during a hunt. Because you don’t know when your next meal might show up. And firearms do make hunting a more sure thing. Hunting game, of any kind, is high risk-- higher reward effort. Most hunters go home empty handed or with little to show for the effort. But, if you do get it right, the effort can be handsomely rewarded.
So if you are smart enough to develop ranged weapons, you eagerly use them to hunt supper.
But could the average hunter still hunt without the help of modern technology? Those who are entirely unable to do so are obviously not apex predators.
A lion can hunt any day without relying on a rifle, the vast majority of hunters could not.
Hunters that can build their own bows or spears and are able to hunt with them are genuine apex predators, that’s fair.
Those who are completely reliant on industrially produced high tech firearms bought in a store, and would be outcompeted by any house cat without them, are not.
A lion can hunt because they come with weapons biologically attached. Humans not so much. And even you could fashion a spear with little effort. Which by your definition would make you a apex predator. And it did so for millennia.
I’m an old toolmaker that still has a small shop. I could make firearms from scratch if I wanted to. There is nothing special or complex about them. But I choose to purchase them from stores. So perhaps that demotes me from being a apex predator.
In order to make a firearm from scratch you must first create the universe.
In order to bake an apple pie you must also create the universe.
Seafood requires far less effort to collect. Make lobster traps and trotlines which are catching food while you can do other tasks at the same time. Seaweed for some veggies on the side.
Seafood requires a lot of expensive resources to acquire. Boats, nets, traps, baits, access to the water, and not to mention the inherent risk of being on the ocean. Better to hunt herbivores on land.
Sure you can spend a lot if you want, but I have caught crabs with a bit of string. Seen people catch stuff bare handed as well.
Fishing is fun and good, but you still need access to water with a fish living in it. But a sharp stick or a rock is still cheaper and easier. Even a bow and arrow is very low tech and easily fashioned.
Well I live on the coast in the UK, so there is quite a bit of access to water. But even inland you should have lakes/rivers with fish in them too, even if they can be a bit harder to catch.
Not sure there, most seafishing methods are illegal on freshwater here.
I live in Minnesota USA-- The Land of 10,000 lakes. It’s actually 14,380 bodies of water 10 acres or larger. 117,000 if you add the waterbodies/ponds smaller than 10 acres. I’m sitting in my house drinking my tea and looking at the lake I live on. Minnesotans own 14,505 registered watercraft per 100,000 people-- the most in the US. And all of us spend LOT of time fishing on them. But it would be extremely illegal to use nets or traps to fish for them. (There are carve outs for Native Americans to do some limited netting).
So historically, eating fish on a non-commercial scale has been an important thing in this region since before European settlers showed up. But it has never been the main source of meat due to the general extra work it takes. It’s still easier to stick an arrow, (even a well thrown rock), into rabbit or squirrel. And a far bigger payout in calories to shoot that arrow into a white tail deer, elk, or moose with less effort than a fish.
Lakes are more limited than the sea though, I know here there are significantly fewer restrictions on sea fishing than fresh water. I can throw 50 traps off a kayak in the sea and I don’t even need a license or permit.
I mean yes, literally… We were able to completely supplant the natural order. For better or worse.
They are running from existential dread.
So we are the prey?
Always have been.
Jogging is practice for how humans killed pretty much all the megafauna in the world: exhaustion hunting.
Also fire probably. Lots and lots of fire
I think scaring them over Cliff sides came into okay as well, though you aren’t wrong.
Pointy sticks.
damn those pointy sticks said the animal
I cannot stop laughing 😂
Personally I think humans run because they are a species with enough cognitive abilities to be masochists
As someone who started running last year because it’s supposedly “good for you”, I’m inclined to agree lol
It’s because we grew out of having to do physical work 8-12 hours every day just to stay alive.
I actually love physical work! I just hate running 😆
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My favorite is to shout out, ‘What are you running from!’ when people jog by.
“Therapy was also an option”
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No !
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cries
I tried and even the shrink told me to exercise and eat better. It’s so over bros
My answer would be “You!”
Animals understand play. Although not sure where the ball is.
You know where the balls are ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I can’t see why anyone would down vote
Here’s to ya’ blacksmith 🥃
I also get confused when I see people jogging, don’t they know lounging around eating snacks is way more fun?
Human zoomies feel great :)