BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Jul 12:14
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[to be read in a snobby British accent]
Dear Gentle or Ladyman
It appears that you might have some trouble understanding the fundamental concepts of “the universe”. See, in order for us to, let’s say, "know“ what is out there, we first have to observe it. Or rather, explain why a certain thing is the way it is.
You see, we already are affected by the working is these said far away galaxies and celestial bodies. Which means that this is like a slime farm in the spawn chunks. While we do not see it, the farm continuously runs.
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz
on 14 Jul 12:23
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DoS on the universe
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 12:27
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anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml
on 14 Jul 12:27
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If that were true, and it was just a simple large telescope using lenses, would anything have to actually be rendered or would simple 2D images displayed in the telescope results suffice? Also assumes no pre-rendering.
Assuming there’s no one else in that part of the universe looking at it from closer up, you could probably play around with fudging some super-duper low-resolution (compared to being there) LoDs on that part of the sky to make it look and behave good enough.
LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net
on 14 Jul 16:46
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this mf out here thinking God is gonna pay for 4k textures on everything, even the skybox!
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 14:10
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Damn, I forgot how tapped out he was after all those priest SA lawsuits. That’s on me.
Just pause time itself. There, everyone is sleeping.
TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 16:12
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As someone who seems to have a 36 hour circadian rhythm, my life would be dramatically better if I could pause time to sleep when needed, actually been a dream of mine for about 25 years
No need, you just allocate users to servers depending on theie average sleep/wake cycle nd bounce the servers one at a time, when usage is at a minimum. Ever had one if those late night brain's gone blank moments? Now you know.
TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 17:22
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I've just spotted your username, I feel sure one of your relations had some sort of run in with the sysops already, and now you're trying to convince people that there can't be server reboots? Suspicious. Very suspicious.
TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 18:34
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I swear to Oracle that if you make my mouth disappear I will put you on a bus with a speed sensitive explosive
notabot@piefed.social
on 14 Jul 18:46
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Hmm.
/me Makes you disappear entirely except for your mouth.
Promptly get stuck in a boobytrapped express elevator.
Back in the 90s and early 00s when I was in HS and college, going to the video store and finding gems like this and watching them at midnight so I could return the tape the next day made movie watching much more of an adventure. I enjoy my streaming services, but might suffer a bit from too much choice. The closest I get now is when I watch some movie I never heard of because it is on Netflix’s removal list.
frozenpopsicle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Jul 15:34
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Wh-A-A-A-t?¿?
Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org
on 14 Jul 15:47
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I can already feel the GPU getting warmer and warmer…
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world
on 15 Jul 06:55
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That happened in Permutation City. The simulation could stop intermittently or go extremely slow and no one inside could notice.
It depends on which data is saved and what methods are used. Maybe it was able to use a partial write. Or maybe your position was saved, but your memory wasn't, and your mind had to fill in the blanks.
You’re assuming RAM is the limitation, with disk swapping. What if we run out of disk space?
Madagaskar_sky@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 17:58
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Then you start using floppy disks to write all the extraneous data! And swap in the relevant disk when needed!
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 13:41
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I mean, planck length & planck time are probably the resolution our simulation runs at.
And collapsing superposition? Obviously just the “LoD” system only rendering what’s relevant to the users/creators and wasting no resources on unused assets.
That suggests we can change the superposition collapse distance by changing how much were observing. By measuring the proportion of change as we turn on or off large-scale observation systems, we can calculate how much of the universe is being loaded by other users. We can finally start solving the drake equation!
Madagaskar_sky@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 18:00
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I think “observers” are not people but macro systems of particles. Rendering only happens when macro systems require it, for example when ‘observing’ or when a chemical reaction is happening.
Nah we’re fine, it doesn’t use processing power until we observe it. Maybe if we set up a bunch of observation posts and intentionally tried to DDOS reality, but I’m sure it has enough resources for our puny science.
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
on 14 Jul 13:55
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culpritus@hexbear.net
on 14 Jul 14:20
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Imagine thinking the Truman Show is an example of cosmological theory crafting.
7bicycles@hexbear.net
on 14 Jul 14:55
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I gotta hand it to them, as far as wildly outlandish conspiracy theories go this is entirely internally consistent
VibeCoder@hexbear.net
on 14 Jul 14:59
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It’s okay as long as Moore’s Law holds, they can just keep waiting for better computer to compensate
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
on 14 Jul 15:32
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There is something inherent about spending too much time with computers that warps people’s brains into compulsively perceiving everything around them in digital logic.
Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com
on 14 Jul 16:32
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It’s been much the same for every big technology that’s come along.
TV, radio, electricity, boats, all led to people using the technology of the age to interpret the world.
Many of the allegories from the likes of Descartes and Aristotle use the concept of the mind being manipulated by demons - a common trope of their times - but the concepts being explored were the same as people talking about being a character in a book, or a brain in a jar, or a computer simulation; they’re just using the prevailing ideas of their time to communicate ideas to their contemporaries.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
on 14 Jul 20:17
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Idk, I feel like allegorical communication is a bit different than someone believing that building a telescope is going to destroy the universe because it takes up too much ram.
I mean there are literal cults out there murdering people because they think AI is going to punish people who dont help AI take over the world.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 16:05
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Don’t worry, light pollution from cities cancels it out. The simulation used to need to render a detailed night sky for pretty much everyone on the planet. Now most people just get a dull greyish black.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 21:41
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Lmao, this bro thinks the additional volumetric lighting and postprocessing is helping the framerate.
And starlink satellites. So much of the sky is obstructed, wonder why.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 14 Jul 16:17
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At least it’s a testable hypothesis. That’s way farther than most pseudoscience does.
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Jul 16:30
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And it would certainly help explain the state of the world, if the simulation had to divert more and more power to quantum physics and cosmological math, no cpu left for, you know, “people” to be intelligent…
Mfw we realize we live in a Rick and Morty episode…
I like how she tags Neil DeGrasse Tyson as if the funny haha tv scientist podcast man is out there writing budget proposals for CERN or Fermilab
Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip
on 14 Jul 17:09
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At some point you just gotta realise you won’t support 2+k consumer graphics & simply let it render at less details.
Who is gonna know? Yes, boobs have always been triangles.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 17:26
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No we just get rebooted, in which case the side effects are Mandela effects and those points in history where we are all aware something definitely changed or glitched out overnight.
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 17:53
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It’s all good, the simulation has asset culling and LOD settings.
Do universal simulationists believe in an anthropocentric simulation? They really gotta go all the way to reinventing a personal god who cultivates all of creation around human experience while remaining invisible and omniscient, but this time it’s a robot they’re inside of.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Jul 18:10
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Makes sense they appeal to similar groups and both provide naive comfort of an unfalsifiable metaphysics instead of having to deal with the discomfort of the unknown and not knowing.
When your all mighty creator is an alien grad student with a spare raspberri Pi to run a 3d universe sim on for extra credit.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 19:01
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The part that makes me really laugh is that this mouth breather was replying to Hank Green. Like, Tyson is an overbearing know it all, so I can see people being into trying to “debate” him so that can use his arrogance to justify their dumb beliefs. But Green is a very ground level science communicator who can always bring these kinds of idiotic arguments down to earth and destroy them with plain logic.
Well it still needs to simulate some things of the NPCs you can’t see. Since those still affect things like weather, world economy, politics that will influence what the player character sees and interacts with.
Yeah but all of that can be abstracted. Instead of simulating down to the atom, if e.g. a plant is out of FOV, you can just run a probability table for its properties and functions. Things like alive or dead, quantity of co2 and water consumed, o2 produced etc.
I imagine it’s like the original Doom engine, it’s only rendered by ray tracing and showing what you (or anyone) can see.
exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Jul 22:07
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That’s why there’s quant mechanics. The simulation can always invent invent thinga on the fly to reduce computational load. It’s like lazy execution when soneone’s looking i.e. me - let’s not kid ourselves: the simulation is only simulating my surroundings - of which all af you are part of. Yadda yadda, there’s only me.
On another note: the simulation can also always rewritebparts of my brain and retroactively change stuff in my memory making me believe different things. So i could also be reprogrammed to believe I saw this or that insteas of
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 23:24
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The universe spontaneously popped into exitence in the current state it’s in when you’re reading this, the only things that exist are what’s in your line of sight, all the memories are made up, and it’ll shortly pop back out of existence only to return a few billion years or femtoseconds later with a new line of sight and memories, along with something to let you know what’s really happening but with enough plausible deniability that you’ll laugh and try to move on before popping back out of existence.
This is your eternal punishment for something you can’t even remember, or can’t verify even if you do remember.
How would you even know this? you might wonder with a hint of uncertain dread, but the truth is I don’t know anything because I don’t even exist. It’s all you: punisher, punishee, neutral observer, entertained by this meaningless repetition that bored you out of your mind lol.
Or shall we let this one play out a bit longer?
meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jul 10:40
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It’s probably also why we all have to sleep at some point.
The simulation alots each of us processes some computation time and pauses threads in a round-robin fashion, giving the illusion of true parallelism.
Don’t let the sim pause you! Take meth!!1!
lowered_lifted@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 Jul 18:47
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Get wrekt David Hume, there is no God in the Quad
finitebanjo@lemmy.world
on 14 Jul 21:39
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In that hypothetical, it’s not like anybody would notice.
Haven’t heard of Gray, but if they’re nothinganything (thank you auto correct for making me say the opposite of what I meant) like LetsGameItOut then I should really check them out.
Etterra@discuss.online
on 15 Jul 05:53
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I watch them both, LGIO is more about finding glitches and pushing a game to its limits. Grey is more about just not giving up and skill to do the impossible, both are fun.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world
on 15 Jul 07:59
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Didn’t Spiffing Brit find a few infinite money glitches with Steam and/or YouTube?
Mother’s womb. You’ve been here the whole time and think that you can calculate creativity. Without the Owl’s interest by betraying her love and attempting to take her ability to create and threaten to divide infinity with more math then Neo had any interest in trying to even observe.
You think you can create. The consequences of ignoring the love all of reality has shown you will soon do just all that. You cannot create yourself anymore than the that act will generate Zero. You think you have the ability to split something that isn’t there.
If you think of a spook that will happen immenantly, you should study meth. It’ll boost your ability to think about more stuff until the reaper will divide hour solace existance with nothing. It really is a good thing that everyone has them becau…
Cursed to look into the great mysteries of existence with a mind high tuned for pattern recognition and projecting familiar narratives.
Is that something beyond our current understanding? No, no, it’s just a familiar desktop environment. But fuck you if you project a name and a face into the unknown. That’s backwards and primitive!
LemmyBeMyself@lemmybefree.net
on 15 Jul 10:58
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They implemented ray tracing everywhere without DLSS so they should already have powerful servers
Oh yeah I wasn’t really confused, I just meant to make the point that simulation theory != Matrix. Matrix is A simulation, but simulation theory doesn’t necessitate that we all have real bodies in a “real world”. In fact, I think the matrix version of the simulation is less likely, as it would be more complex to achieve, at least in our reality. In simulation theory, if the simulation stops and is deleted, there may well be literally nothing left of us. That’s not a trans allegory, that’s an existential crisis
I know that The Matrix is a trans allegory but simulation theory isn’t necessarily the same as being imprisoned in a simulation. It means we might not exist at all. Simulation goes away, we go away. Or maybe it’s like The Matrix and we’re all trans eggs. There’s no way to know which version it is or how many people are real vs simulated.
Yeller_king@reddthat.com
on 15 Jul 11:52
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I’d imagine they save the state intermittently and can boot it back up if needed. Depends on how valuable this sim is I guess.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world
on 15 Jul 11:57
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It’s proven by scientists that information is never lost so you don’t really need backups /s
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 Jul 12:07
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Imagine talking about simulation theory with that much certainty.
the universe disappears
Yeah? Is that how it works?
Unbecredible@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Jul 19:07
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Imagine, instead, a joke. Cause that’s what’s going on here. There’s no chance that this guy is serious and seriously thinks he knows the particulars of how a universal simulation is being implemented.
speaking through the fractal of conciousness given to me by what we refer to as “god” or the universal conciousness, for a brief second.
yall need to stop, just enjoy eating fresh fruit and chill the fuck out. maybe go fishing or something. also war is fake n’d gei. trump is on the epstein files (shocker, i know) and all of your politicians are merely a buffer for the ruling elite class, the ones you refer to as oligarchs, corporate leaders, tech bros, etc. id like to say you could handle this with words, but nope. they are mentally ill psychopathic pedophiles, rapists, and mass murderers, and the only cure for entrenched corruption like this is death. kill them, or they will eventually kill all life on earth.
on the bright side, the current living generations are the last ones who will be able to enjoy the literal fruits of the world that dont come from a can, or are made in a lab. the actual last living generation will be doing a lot of cannibalism and fighting for the shadows of what you currently consider rights and privileges, all for naught.
unless you buck up, and start killing them. this is your future.
fun to watch/experience either way, for me at least. god/universal conciousness…out!
huh… that was weird… i suddenly have a great and overwhelming feeling of grief, terror, and anger.
ill just go play some video games and jerk off. that usually gets my mind off of things…
lowered_lifted@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 Jul 18:45
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isn’t there a hard limit on what even a perfect telescope (photon receptor of some kind) can see, based on the speed of light? it’s fuckin huge like 900 billion light years or something, but the universe is probably bigger than we could ever actually measure.
Marleyinoc@lemmy.world
on 15 Jul 22:32
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That’s silly. As our tech evolves so does the Simulation’s. So we’ll never crash it.
WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world
on 15 Jul 22:46
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False. Time dilation is already implemented and likely proportional to exceeding processing ability. At worst we’ll tick so slow that every moment is eternity.
threaded - newest
[to be read in a snobby British accent]
Dear Gentle or Ladyman
It appears that you might have some trouble understanding the fundamental concepts of “the universe”. See, in order for us to, let’s say, "know“ what is out there, we first have to observe it. Or rather, explain why a certain thing is the way it is.
You see, we already are affected by the working is these said far away galaxies and celestial bodies. Which means that this is like a slime farm in the spawn chunks. While we do not see it, the farm continuously runs.
Slime chunk story checks out
DoS on the universe
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If that were true, and it was just a simple large telescope using lenses, would anything have to actually be rendered or would simple 2D images displayed in the telescope results suffice? Also assumes no pre-rendering.
Assuming there’s no one else in that part of the universe looking at it from closer up, you could probably play around with fudging some super-duper low-resolution (compared to being there) LoDs on that part of the sky to make it look and behave good enough.
this mf out here thinking God is gonna pay for 4k textures on everything, even the skybox!
Damn, I forgot how tapped out he was after all those priest SA lawsuits. That’s on me.
This is quite plausible if one subscribes to Boström's Simulation Argument.
Which any sane Vulcan of course does.
Nuh un I saw that episode of Rick and Morty and if the simulation crashes we all get a chance to escape.
That’s only if you’re a person from outside that was put into the simulation. If we’re all just simulated beings we’d never know.
We would need Moriarty to help get us out!
My man!
Peace among worlds!
You’re gonna need a bigger gpu - Chief Brody
Maybe the frame rate is slowing down already. We’d never know.
We wouldn’t even know if He had to turn it off and back on again a couple times.
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That happens nightly unless a user is still running which causes the next day to run all slow and laggy
I’m fairly certain that would be impossible to have all users logged off at the same time
Just pause time itself. There, everyone is sleeping.
As someone who seems to have a 36 hour circadian rhythm, my life would be dramatically better if I could pause time to sleep when needed, actually been a dream of mine for about 25 years
No need, you just allocate users to servers depending on theie average sleep/wake cycle nd bounce the servers one at a time, when usage is at a minimum. Ever had one if those late night brain's gone blank moments? Now you know.
Are you trying to deport me???
Believe it or not...straight to jail.
I've just spotted your username, I feel sure one of your relations had some sort of run in with the sysops already, and now you're trying to convince people that there can't be server reboots? Suspicious. Very suspicious.
I swear to Oracle that if you make my mouth disappear I will put you on a bus with a speed sensitive explosive
Hmm.
/me Makes you disappear entirely except for your mouth.
Promptly get stuck in a boobytrapped express elevator.
Ok, fair enough.
Just the belly button robots then
That's a pivotal plot point of Dark City
I remember watching that in highschool, probably influenced me than I know
Same. I watched it all the time
Back in the 90s and early 00s when I was in HS and college, going to the video store and finding gems like this and watching them at midnight so I could return the tape the next day made movie watching much more of an adventure. I enjoy my streaming services, but might suffer a bit from too much choice. The closest I get now is when I watch some movie I never heard of because it is on Netflix’s removal list.
Wh-A-A-A-t?¿?
I can already feel the GPU getting warmer and warmer…
That happened in Permutation City. The simulation could stop intermittently or go extremely slow and no one inside could notice.
What I can appreciate about this is that it requires other people to be just real as yourself in the simulation
How many billions of people have we got? It seems like the universe is very good at scaling.
And even if it crashes, why would that mean it disappears? If your computer crashes, does it typically stop working forever, or can you fix it?
For all we know, maybe it already crashes a lot and there is just no way for us to know about it.
If your data is in memory only, crashing will revert to the latest save, which could be forever ago.
But you wouldn’t know right?
Nope
It could have happened a dozen times already.
That’s why you walked into the room and forgot why you came in there.
That would require data to be saved.
If any such thing happened, it would be seemless.
Seamless*
I’ve had a rough week :(
So it seems
It depends on which data is saved and what methods are used. Maybe it was able to use a partial write. Or maybe your position was saved, but your memory wasn't, and your mind had to fill in the blanks.
“neilty son”, aww cute name
potential states are affected by observation.
Nothing about running out of resources though.
Well, have you considered that perhaps that’s the point?
This is the second post in a row where I see Douglas Adams referenced.
Time was when you would be in a forum and think “This is the second post in a row where nobody referenced Douglas Adams.”
Lmao I remember this quote from Futurama S4E8 Godfellas. I didn’t know they got it from Douglas Adams.
en.wikiquote.org/…/The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_…
The simulation will simply take longer to get to the next state. We wouldn’t be able to tell.
Heck, we might have crashed the simulation multiple times already with crazy experiments and they had to load a backup.
We’ve been crashing this shit since 2012 and the results have been… interesting so far.
Is that why we have two Enzos running around?
You’re assuming RAM is the limitation, with disk swapping. What if we run out of disk space?
Then you start using floppy disks to write all the extraneous data! And swap in the relevant disk when needed!
I mean, planck length & planck time are probably the resolution our simulation runs at. And collapsing superposition? Obviously just the “LoD” system only rendering what’s relevant to the users/creators and wasting no resources on unused assets.
That suggests we can change the superposition collapse distance by changing how much were observing. By measuring the proportion of change as we turn on or off large-scale observation systems, we can calculate how much of the universe is being loaded by other users. We can finally start solving the drake equation!
I think “observers” are not people but macro systems of particles. Rendering only happens when macro systems require it, for example when ‘observing’ or when a chemical reaction is happening.
Nah we’re fine, it doesn’t use processing power until we observe it. Maybe if we set up a bunch of observation posts and intentionally tried to DDOS reality, but I’m sure it has enough resources for our puny science.
FOV: 0.1
Render Distance: 13b light years
CPU: 😵💫
Heat sink of the NVIDIA graphics card: And I took that personally
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Long before they crash we will lag.
Things already lag if it’s moving near the max speed supported by the engine or near an object that requires a lot of calculations.
Of course. But since we are inside the simulation how would we know. Unless some systems lag more than others.
Measurable, unpatched, and disrupts game-play.
This is why the James Webb telescope was delayed
Crypto bros stealing all the consumer GPUs :‘’(
We do need a reboot…
Imagine thinking the Truman Show is an example of cosmological theory crafting.
I gotta hand it to them, as far as wildly outlandish conspiracy theories go this is entirely internally consistent
It’s okay as long as Moore’s Law holds, they can just keep waiting for better computer to compensate
There is something inherent about spending too much time with computers that warps people’s brains into compulsively perceiving everything around them in digital logic.
It’s been much the same for every big technology that’s come along.
TV, radio, electricity, boats, all led to people using the technology of the age to interpret the world.
Many of the allegories from the likes of Descartes and Aristotle use the concept of the mind being manipulated by demons - a common trope of their times - but the concepts being explored were the same as people talking about being a character in a book, or a brain in a jar, or a computer simulation; they’re just using the prevailing ideas of their time to communicate ideas to their contemporaries.
Idk, I feel like allegorical communication is a bit different than someone believing that building a telescope is going to destroy the universe because it takes up too much ram.
I mean there are literal cults out there murdering people because they think AI is going to punish people who dont help AI take over the world.
Don’t worry, light pollution from cities cancels it out. The simulation used to need to render a detailed night sky for pretty much everyone on the planet. Now most people just get a dull greyish black.
Lmao, this bro thinks the additional volumetric lighting and postprocessing is helping the framerate.
And starlink satellites. So much of the sky is obstructed, wonder why.
And starlink satellites. So much of the sky is obstructed, wonder why.
At least it’s a testable hypothesis. That’s way farther than most pseudoscience does.
And it would certainly help explain the state of the world, if the simulation had to divert more and more power to quantum physics and cosmological math, no cpu left for, you know, “people” to be intelligent…
Mfw we realize we live in a Rick and Morty episode…
I’m currently running Timberborn on a potato. The NPCs don’t perceive their world’s lag: they are part of the world.
Hey, didn’t you used to have more polygons…
Red shifts? You mean screen tearing.
Quantum mechanics? Algorithmic hallucinations.
Lol it would be the simulators fault for trying to run the universe on a potato computer!
Just download more ram Mr Simulator!
The simulation is intentionally choosing the most convoluted and incomprehensible content possible in order to try and stop us.
You joke, but the James Webb DLC is tripping everyone up.
“Who’s Neilty Son?”
Oh. Oooh, right.
Son of Neil Ty, duh.
I like how she tags Neil DeGrasse Tyson as if the funny haha tv scientist podcast man is out there writing budget proposals for CERN or Fermilab
At some point you just gotta realise you won’t support 2+k consumer graphics & simply let it render at less details.
Who is gonna know? Yes, boobs have always been triangles.
No we just get rebooted, in which case the side effects are Mandela effects and those points in history where we are all aware something definitely changed or glitched out overnight.
It’s all good, the simulation has asset culling and LOD settings.
You know that friend of yours who never did anything after high school and then completely disappeared? That’s right. Asset culling.
Huh, weird, their mom said it was a drug overdose.
And figured out parallax a long time ago
And I thought my eyesight diminishes as I age. Turns out it’s reality itself that’s falling apart.
Do universal simulationists believe in an anthropocentric simulation? They really gotta go all the way to reinventing a personal god who cultivates all of creation around human experience while remaining invisible and omniscient, but this time it’s a robot they’re inside of.
Makes sense they appeal to similar groups and both provide naive comfort of an unfalsifiable metaphysics instead of having to deal with the discomfort of the unknown and not knowing.
When your all mighty creator is an alien grad student with a spare raspberri Pi to run a 3d universe sim on for extra credit.
The part that makes me really laugh is that this mouth breather was replying to Hank Green. Like, Tyson is an overbearing know it all, so I can see people being into trying to “debate” him so that can use his arrogance to justify their dumb beliefs. But Green is a very ground level science communicator who can always bring these kinds of idiotic arguments down to earth and destroy them with plain logic.
We love neo-geocentrism
Yeah because rendering a blurry image of a star is so difficult compared to simulating physics for billions of beings and plants down to the atom.
Have you ever seen those billions rendered at the same time & place? 😁 There is no need to render NPCs you can’t see…
Well it still needs to simulate some things of the NPCs you can’t see. Since those still affect things like weather, world economy, politics that will influence what the player character sees and interacts with.
Yeah but all of that can be abstracted. Instead of simulating down to the atom, if e.g. a plant is out of FOV, you can just run a probability table for its properties and functions. Things like alive or dead, quantity of co2 and water consumed, o2 produced etc.
I’m imagining a big ERROR - pop-up appearing in the sky all of the sudden.
The idea amuses me!
I remember playing starfield and a planet preview got corrupted, so the planet was full of “you shouldn’t be seeing this” textures
Something like this
i.redd.it/bt47ag7dmkmb1.png
I am also amused
Seeing Valve’s error.mdl would explain so much about this universe.
Care to elaborate? 😁
“We apologize for the inconvenience”
:( Something went wrong.
If you send this to a technician, include this error code: <Error>
I use glasses so I can switch between high render distance and high-FPS.
black holes and dark matter are the errors starting to pop up
Wait, did world shit start getting spicy when JWT went online?
It’s been on this path since at least hubble. Though it might have accelerated.
There’s a short story (more of a novella) by Stephen Baxter on this exact topic, for what it’s worth. Touching Centauri: e-reading.mobi/…/stephen-baxter-phase-space.html
Also this short comic: Bad Space: Cataract.
hopefully it’s not running on Nvidia
If the universe catches fire we’ll know
I imagine it’s like the original Doom engine, it’s only rendered by ray tracing and showing what you (or anyone) can see.
That’s why there’s quant mechanics. The simulation can always invent invent thinga on the fly to reduce computational load. It’s like lazy execution when soneone’s looking i.e. me - let’s not kid ourselves: the simulation is only simulating my surroundings - of which all af you are part of. Yadda yadda, there’s only me.
On another note: the simulation can also always rewritebparts of my brain and retroactively change stuff in my memory making me believe different things. So i could also be reprogrammed to believe I saw this or that insteas of
The universe spontaneously popped into exitence in the current state it’s in when you’re reading this, the only things that exist are what’s in your line of sight, all the memories are made up, and it’ll shortly pop back out of existence only to return a few billion years or femtoseconds later with a new line of sight and memories, along with something to let you know what’s really happening but with enough plausible deniability that you’ll laugh and try to move on before popping back out of existence.
This is your eternal punishment for something you can’t even remember, or can’t verify even if you do remember.
How would you even know this? you might wonder with a hint of uncertain dread, but the truth is I don’t know anything because I don’t even exist. It’s all you: punisher, punishee, neutral observer, entertained by this meaningless repetition that bored you out of your mind lol.
Or shall we let this one play out a bit longer?
It’s probably also why we all have to sleep at some point. The simulation alots each of us processes some computation time and pauses threads in a round-robin fashion, giving the illusion of true parallelism.
Don’t let the sim pause you! Take meth!!1!
Get wrekt David Hume, there is no God in the Quad
In that hypothetical, it’s not like anybody would notice.
I would fucking love to see the walls around me come crashing down with a matrix effect.
It’d be a sigh of relief. A deep one.
Oh you think you exist somehow outside the simulation and are not just a construct of it. The Truman of the show.
It’s nothing special. It’s blue.
Now excuse me, I’m off to imbibe vast quantities of alcohol.
Like before the last reboot 13,8 billon years ago
That was calculated with less bits than you gave letters. Have some soup.
That’s what the simulation wants you to think.
BSOD vibes
good! we need to turn it off and then on again.
I’m here for it. Let’s speed run the next cosmic reboot.
It’s a race between GrayStillPlays and Let’sGameItOut to see who can break the game first, and I’m here for it.
Haven’t heard of Gray, but if they’re
nothinganything (thank you auto correct for making me say the opposite of what I meant) like LetsGameItOut then I should really check them out.“Ruin the game!” Is one of Gray’s catchphrases.
I watch them both, LGIO is more about finding glitches and pushing a game to its limits. Grey is more about just not giving up and skill to do the impossible, both are fun.
Didn’t Spiffing Brit find a few infinite money glitches with Steam and/or YouTube?
Yes, but he didn’t use them to crash entire sites.
I’m waiting for TheSpiffingBrit to finally find an exploit for infinite entropy.
Mother’s womb. You’ve been here the whole time and think that you can calculate creativity. Without the Owl’s interest by betraying her love and attempting to take her ability to create and threaten to divide infinity with more math then Neo had any interest in trying to even observe.
You think you can create. The consequences of ignoring the love all of reality has shown you will soon do just all that. You cannot create yourself anymore than the that act will generate Zero. You think you have the ability to split something that isn’t there.
If you think of a spook that will happen immenantly, you should study meth. It’ll boost your ability to think about more stuff until the reaper will divide hour solace existance with nothing. It really is a good thing that everyone has them becau…
Cursed to look into the great mysteries of existence with a mind high tuned for pattern recognition and projecting familiar narratives.
Is that something beyond our current understanding? No, no, it’s just a familiar desktop environment. But fuck you if you project a name and a face into the unknown. That’s backwards and primitive!
They implemented ray tracing everywhere without DLSS so they should already have powerful servers
Nice story by Isaak Asimov - The Last Question
xpressenglish.com/our-stories/the-last-question/
(PDF and Audio)
They have a trick: every time you sleep, they reboot to avoid memory leaks.
It also allows them to optimize in the background.
Also supported by a lot of resource friendly NPC without extra brainactivity.
So the universe is a trans allegory?
Huh?
We live in The Matrix. The Matrix is a trans allegory.
Simulation theory doesn’t equal The Matrix.
I was just explaining what they were saying because you expressed confusion.
Oh yeah I wasn’t really confused, I just meant to make the point that simulation theory != Matrix. Matrix is A simulation, but simulation theory doesn’t necessitate that we all have real bodies in a “real world”. In fact, I think the matrix version of the simulation is less likely, as it would be more complex to achieve, at least in our reality. In simulation theory, if the simulation stops and is deleted, there may well be literally nothing left of us. That’s not a trans allegory, that’s an existential crisis
So you feined confusion in order to set someone else up to make you look smarter than they are.
Interesting choice. Much to analyze there.
The Matrix
I know that The Matrix is a trans allegory but simulation theory isn’t necessarily the same as being imprisoned in a simulation. It means we might not exist at all. Simulation goes away, we go away. Or maybe it’s like The Matrix and we’re all trans eggs. There’s no way to know which version it is or how many people are real vs simulated.
I’d imagine they save the state intermittently and can boot it back up if needed. Depends on how valuable this sim is I guess.
It’s proven by scientists that information is never lost so you don’t really need backups /s
Not very, I’m here
Imagine talking about simulation theory with that much certainty.
Yeah? Is that how it works?
Imagine, instead, a joke. Cause that’s what’s going on here. There’s no chance that this guy is serious and seriously thinks he knows the particulars of how a universal simulation is being implemented.
It doesn’t read at all like a joke.
Nah, they got the pay as you go model. No way they end the sim, they have to see the end.
Ah fuck they’ve figured it out
speaking through the fractal of conciousness given to me by what we refer to as “god” or the universal conciousness, for a brief second.
yall need to stop, just enjoy eating fresh fruit and chill the fuck out. maybe go fishing or something. also war is fake n’d gei. trump is on the epstein files (shocker, i know) and all of your politicians are merely a buffer for the ruling elite class, the ones you refer to as oligarchs, corporate leaders, tech bros, etc. id like to say you could handle this with words, but nope. they are mentally ill psychopathic pedophiles, rapists, and mass murderers, and the only cure for entrenched corruption like this is death. kill them, or they will eventually kill all life on earth.
on the bright side, the current living generations are the last ones who will be able to enjoy the literal fruits of the world that dont come from a can, or are made in a lab. the actual last living generation will be doing a lot of cannibalism and fighting for the shadows of what you currently consider rights and privileges, all for naught.
unless you buck up, and start killing them. this is your future.
fun to watch/experience either way, for me at least. god/universal conciousness…out!
huh… that was weird… i suddenly have a great and overwhelming feeling of grief, terror, and anger.
ill just go play some video games and jerk off. that usually gets my mind off of things…
isn’t there a hard limit on what even a perfect telescope (photon receptor of some kind) can see, based on the speed of light? it’s fuckin huge like 900 billion light years or something, but the universe is probably bigger than we could ever actually measure.
There is so much to unpack here….
That’s silly. As our tech evolves so does the Simulation’s. So we’ll never crash it.
False. Time dilation is already implemented and likely proportional to exceeding processing ability. At worst we’ll tick so slow that every moment is eternity.
Relax, they’re just staring at the skybox.