They’ll pat you on the back – tell you all is forgiven. Just remember, it won’t be for you…
It will be for them.
dumbass@leminal.space
on 05 Jan 22:29
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I told you I’d get you Nye!
radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net
on 05 Jan 22:37
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On behalf of Raytheon, I thank you Jack. We need them kids studying STEM to keep the bombs flowin’. The name’s Gill the Math Guy, right? That’s what I had engraved on the medal.
psion1369@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 22:41
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“I hope this medal makes up for 2024 being the year of highest oil production in US history. Which happened in defiance of all the climate science you’ve been trying to tell us about. You know, as part of the years of science education this award honors.”
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 22:47
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LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 03:23
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Somehow in spite of his negative comments he still gets the recognition he deserves from the authority structure. Whereas in the social mediasphere if he so much as Liked a disapproved tweet he would be crowd-demonized as The Enemy, his accomplishments would mean nothing, and saying anything good about him would be widely condemned.
lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Jan 17:47
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I think that, vocal complainers aside, he’s still overall fairly popular. A popular white man saying wise stuff is a great opportunity to signal how committed you are to science without having to put actually significant amounts of money on the line or entering the minefield that is angering the anti-“woke” crowd. He’s a safe investment in public appearances.
Doesn’t mean they’ll have to listen to him. He gets a more sombre version of the Jester’s Privilege that allows him to say whatever he wants, they’ll nod and applaud and perform all the gestures of approval, but they won’t actually change anything.
The other half of it is probably the Internet Outrage culture that sees inciting content get more engagement and boosted visibility in a self-perpetuating cycle of upset. Legitimate criticism drowns in a sea of bullshit, everyone’s pissed off and we’re all easily swept up in the current of emotion. If we’re not mad at one person, we’re mad at the people pointlessly or excessively mad at them. If we try to stem against that, we’re dogpiled by loud complainers while quiet agreement leaves an upvote and moves on.
I really wonder what industry y’all work in that you think the entire energy grid and vehicle fleet can be remade in 4 years.
Don’t worry protest voters, we may be able to start from scratch again in another 4 years.
I see Lemmy’s famous misreading is happening. I want environmental policy. But I know things take time. People that think everything can be remade in 4 years don’t know how big industry is and how much work it takes.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 23:33
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Oh yeah we will just keep waiting and watch them do significantly less than the bare minimum until the famines begin to finally affect us. Then, we will do something about it I’m sure.
Every time they run on an environmental policy, they lose. Every time they implement an environmental policy, they lose. And you’re amazed they aren’t gun ho about it? Like they just lost despite the green energy in the IRA. And Trump won with drill baby drill. Do you think Dems will run on it next time? Fuck no they won’t. They won’t touch it with 10 foot pole. They will run on “It’s the economy, stupid.” If you want environmental policy, you need to give them consistent and overwhelming victories.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml
on 06 Jan 00:02
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Yeah so we should dismantle our political parties. They clearly don’t care about us and are willing to let us die horrible deaths. They do not serve us, they serve their donors and we put up with it for now.
History tells me revolution is always believed to impossible until it happens and is believed have been inevitable. It is socialism or barbarism and I certainly prefer the former
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 00:40
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call me when you get inside the whitehouse grounds.
Gore ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.
So what did Obama learn? Don’t touch it. Not one bit. And he won.
Hillary said maybe now is the time, she said she’d have a map room. She declared war on climate change. And bam she lost the election.
So what did Biden learn? Don’t touch it. Don’t say one word. And he won. But Biden did green energy anyway. And what did polls say? That he was going to lose the election.
So what did Kamala learn? There is no thanks for it. Don’t run on it. It doesn’t get anything.
And what won the election? “It’s the economy, stupid”. No one is running on environmentalism for a long time.
The best we can hope for is that Dems win without running on it, and do it anyway just like Biden did.
4 years? Climate scientists have been warning the world about climate change for about half a century, and urgently for a few decades. Bill Nye specifically has videos going back at least 13 years.
Don’t just blame the 2017-2021 Trump presidency either for the current high, if that is what you mean by your “reworking the energy grid/vehicles in 4 years” argument. US oil production was at its lowest since about 1950 under Bush Jr. then climbed again dramatically through Obama’s 2 terms. Then the Biden presidency started after a year of “low” production (that was actually higher than anything pre-2017) before climbing again steeply during the last 4 years. This is a problem of both parties, and the worst of it has happened in the last 13 years of which 9 were under a Dem president.
The chain is about Biden and his 4 years. People want the Dems to solve the whole literal problem in their term. In the case of Biden, it was 4 years. 2 years really when you consider he only had the House or Reps for 2 years.
Both parties? We all know the GOP isn’t going to do shit. They will do the exact opposite, actually. So it’s only Dems.
Past that I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. US oil production is not US oil usage. It was the fracking boom that increased production. As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each. Like you’re focused on wrong fry, small fry, and taking it out of context. Obama? Guess what Obama learned from Gore? That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition. He focused on health care. His thanks for that was to lose the house for the next 6 years. Guess the left didn’t want anything for 6 years of his presidency.
Explain. Do you think the oil disappears or doesn’t affect climate because it’s not burned in the US? Why wouldn’t I hold US policymakers accountable for oil being produced under their watch, even if it is exported?
As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each.
Look at the chart. The decline started in the mid-80’s, and reached the bottom in 2005. By about 2001 it was the lowest since 1950. Years before the 2008 crash. You are right that the drop during Trump’s last year coincides with the onset of COVID, but it rises again as early as the summer of 2020. And continues unabated into Biden’s presidency and last year.
That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition.
Obama was already elected into his 2nd term when oil production started climbing quicker than ever before at the end of 2012. Campaign strategy was over by then.
Nothing I’m seeing in the data suggests that Dems were meaningfully impeding/capping oil production. You may say it’s because the environment is a losing political proposition (and you may be right). But in doing so you’re just assigning a reason for the trends and timing that show dual-party responsibility.
Also, using the correct word isn’t really a grammar issue. It may have been a typo but since you seem bent on defending the mistake, I can only assume you’d prefer not to care about correct word usage
So when you use bad grammar it isn’t a problem because the point is to reply to the topic, not comment on grammar. But when I type the wrong word, the only issue is the wrong word.
I wouldn’t have had an issue with your correction at all if you had also addressed the topic.
Off topic corrections is something bots do, not people.
Everyone kinda already decided a long time ago that the comedian’s job is to be funny. It’s not on the audience to suss out humor in a confusing place.
Also, you reached for autism as an insult so I’m pretty done with this conversation
Your hypocrisy is dismissing grammar as an issue when you write awkward statements. Your hypocrisy is using personal insults but then getting offended when they are used against you.
You thought I believed you are training your own personal ai on Lemmy posts. Really?
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 00:42
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wasn’t most of the fossil fuel increase under the obama admin an increase in natural gas? Rather than oil/coal, in order to replace, said infrastructure, as it’s cleaner.
MutilationWave@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 19:49
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May be cleaner to burn but we’re getting it by fracking which is terrible.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Jan 01:05
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i mean, mining coal is also objectively terrible for the environment so…
Where did I say we didn’t? Holy Lemmy never lets me down in how you misread.
The problem is everyone expects the Dems to solve it in one term. Now it’s Biden’s fault that he didn’t solve it in his one term. You know, remake the entire energy grid and turn over the entire vehicle fleet in his 4 years.
theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Jan 02:00
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No, people expect the Dems to not exponentially make problems worse, since that’s their only function based on the last 80 years of their actions. Biden failed to do that simple function, and signed off more public lands to oil companies than trump and Bush Jr combined.
And this is where I wonder what industry y’all work in. To stop oil demand going up, you would have to produce not a single new ice car, not a single new gas furnace, not a single new gas water heater, not a single new gas stove, not a single new industrial gas furnace/processer/whatever machinery. Not a single one. To do that alone is a monumental task that takes unbelievable effort and time. Too many people think it can be done like you update code or something, y’all have no idea how big industry is. That’s just to stop it going up, not to actually reduce use. But don’t worry protest voters, we can start again in 4 years. And again don’t get me wrong, I want environmental policy. I just know what it takes.
theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Jan 02:26
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We were talking about oil production. But yes, you can lay the framework to stop all of that in four years. Because we have alternatives to all of that that are cheaper too make, cheaper to own, cheaper to run, and cheaper to maintain, save for a few specific industrial use cases and the aviation industry.
You can just update code, and switch subsidies to non fossil fuels alternatives. And stop fucking blocking Chinese imports.
We can do it. We know we can because other countries are, and are showing how ridiculously easy it is. Shockingly easy. Frustratingly easy.
But you need to want to do it, and that requires putting the environment above personal investments and greed, and no Democrat is capable of that.
Fair enough we can limit this to oil if you want (but I look at the whole issue). Limiting to oil means no new ICE cars. Not a single one! And we’re back to what freaking industry do you guys work in. For every car company to retool every single plant. New assembly lines, new machinery. New parts suppliers, entirely new supply chain. Can’t forget you have to engineer and test new cars before that. For mining to pick up to produce all the chemicals. More new manufacturing expansion to manufacture batteries. Don’t forget all the assembly lines and machinery for that. Electrical companies, new power plants and new power lines. Hey cities and states, get that planning and permits going. Construction is notoriously fast /s.
You guys seem to have no idea the difficulty in working with physical products at scale.
And more inb4 Lemmy’s famous misreading, yes we should do it. What I’m saying is it takes more planning, effort, and time than you can imagine.
Oh you make a thinly veiled personal attack. Why do I bother. Ciao.
theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Jan 03:56
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… No, it doesn’t. Xiaomi went from zero cars produced to 500,000 cars produced in under 5 years. All EVs. All without subsidization.
We can do this way faster than you oil loving freaks(since you’re already claiming I did a personal attack) would like to admit. It’s fucking easy. There’s a real reason why Americans hate China, because it’s shown the inherent lies and propaganda tied to every single belief that corporate dogs like you espouse.
You claim to want to help the environment. Stop repeating fossil fuel company lies and propaganda then. Maybe someone would take you seriously.
I don’t want to sound like I’m being another hater, you’ve copped a lot of unwarranted downvotes and vitriol. People not willing to discuss things is part of the problem- attacks and trying to silence people through downvotes does not contribute to discussion.
If you’re willing to keep presenting your viewpoint, I’d appreciate some clarity. I urge anyone replying to your comment to engage with thought and maturity. We all learn from opinions that aren’t aligned with ours.
My main question is around your claim that we would have to stop producing any new infrastructure that relies on oil, to prevent consumption going up. I’m not sure I agree- To use a simple example, if some industrial plant uses a diesel engine, and replaces it with a diesel engine that uses less diesel to achieve the same outcome, does that not reduce the overall consumption? Of course, this is a very simple example.
I think we’re at pretty marginal improvements for efficiency, and it’s overshadowed by the move to SUVs anway. I think it doesn’t amount to much for this 10,000 ft view kind of discussion.
Hybrids can do it, but I’m ‘ehhh’ on the whole concept.
Let’s say there are 250 million ice cars on the street. Ice sales stop. The next day how many ice cars are on the street? 250 million. Gas consumption is the same. You then have to wait (what everyone hates in our now now now world) for ice cars to wear out and inventory to turn over to see any decline in gas.
Good point, and well made. However, ICE cars are already wearing out. 250 million ICE cars on the road. ICE sales stop. The next day, some of those 250 million cars wear out. Gas consumption goes down.
Yeah but it’s the scale and timeframe. People talk like they expect gas consumption to go down now. It’s all over the place. They talk as if a few EVs will cause gas consumption to go down, and it’s so easy why aren’t we doing it already. The reality is it needs to be 100% EV sales for that to happen.
And it’s also policy. We’re not going to get 100% EV sales any time soon. So gas consumption will go up. Pretty much anything short of 100% ev sales means our gas consumption goes up. Combined with growing population, yeah more consumption.
Not when we go to SUVs, growing population, and growing car ownership per capita. This is not static like everyone talks about. To make any real dent you pretty much need 100% EV sales.
Again it’s the scale timeframe and policy. Scale: we’re talking the entire country, not singular cars. That means you have to account for what I listed above: movement to SUVs, growing population, and growing car ownership per capita. Timeframe: people demand decrease now. Not 20 years from now. That means you can’t wait out mixed EV and Ice sales for 20 years. Policy: People talk as if Biden failed because has consumption is up. Ok last explanation. He implements the impossible policy of 100% EV sales in 4 years. The result? Gas consumption is the same. See 250 million cars explanation. And people yell that he failed and it’s so easy. Reality is he succeeded and people don’t understand the metrics.
When the opening goes out of its way to divert the conversation into political blame slinging, the vitriol is very much warranted.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 00:37
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we’re blaming people for things now???
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 00:37
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if some industrial plant uses a diesel engine, and replaces it with a diesel engine that uses less diesel to achieve the same outcome, does that not reduce the overall consumption?
strictly speaking, generally, yes it would. However for the sake of the argument, including this kind of detail is.
Not important.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 00:35
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so you mean all the oil production that trump created, that biden kept relatively linear wasn’t good enough?
You want the dems to reverse everything the republicans do, and more? Good luck with a political campaign.
theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Jan 01:09
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You want the dems to reverse everything the republicans do, and more? Good luck with a political campaign.
Yes, I want them to adopt popular bipartisan policies, like m4a, green energy subsidies, food subsidies, new government housing, etc
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Jan 01:18
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if you’re referencing that specific graph, the graph where oil production starts fairly high, and then drops significantly due to covid, and then rose back up a little bit higher than where it was previously. Compared to the 2016-2020 period where there is a very clear and distinct rise in production? Even including the 2016 lull.
I wish this graph was a little cleaner, and didnt include 100 years worth of oil production, and also had a rate of change average over the top of it, that would really demonstrate the point i’m making.
Yes, I want them to adopt popular bipartisan policies, like m4a, green energy subsidies, food subsidies, new government housing, etc
i would like for them to adopt these as well, but i fear almost none of these are going to be “bipartisan” the political climate is just too much of a disaster for this stuff to matter right now. Also, doesn’t the IRA bill literally subsidize green energy? As well as appliance and utility upgrades for home owners.
Remember when Reagan took the solar panels off the White House? After Jimmy Carter was talking about how important the environment is? This fight has been so much longer than that. Its been over fifty years.
Sigh. People are blaming Biden because he didn’t solve it in his 4 years. “We elected him why isn’t it solved?!? Protest no vote!”
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 00:34
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you and me both my friend, you and me both.
People, throughout all of the cool things they have done throughout history, are also the single stupidest organism to ever fucking exist and i cannot express my rage over how stupid people can be without being banned.
So, please, random lemmy users reading this, reactionary engagement is bad, use critical thinking, and don’t use quippy retorts. They don’t actually do anything.
People just want to watch the world burn, and so do i, not because i think my version of the world is better, but because it brings me enjoyment when i get to see people suffer the results of their choices. I will do nothing to stop you, and laugh all the way down. The world is in your hands my friend, choose wisely.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 00:31
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I hope this medal makes up for 2024 being the year of highest oil production in US history.
i’m actually curious to know how it compares to global production. With the war in ukraine and what not, kicked a HUGE export market right off a cliff.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Jan 00:17
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What, you wanna ball
with the kid
Watch your step
you might fall
Tryin ta do what I did
Mama-unh mama-unh mama
come closa’
In the middle of the club with the rubba duck
🎵🎶🎙️👨🎤🥁
Etterra@discuss.online
on 07 Jan 00:46
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Bill Nye receiving Medal of Freedom for his dedication to science education :)
Bill Nye, Freedom Medal Guy!
Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill!
Science rules
He don’t even be a scientist though??
the operative word is “education”. do i need to be an engineer to tell a child how a bike works? pedantry sucks.
Oppenheimer quote?
That’s the one!
I told you I’d get you Nye!
On behalf of Raytheon, I thank you Jack. We need them kids studying STEM to keep the bombs flowin’. The name’s Gill the Math Guy, right? That’s what I had engraved on the medal.
What ever happened to Beakman?
He became the devil.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5867a981-b0d2-46d9-8de3-b407e1d62728.png">
Hail Beakman!
Wait, what?
Last I saw him, he was hanging out with Captain Disillusion.
Still hanging out with the rat
I farted. He farted.
“I hope this medal makes up for 2024 being the year of highest oil production in US history. Which happened in defiance of all the climate science you’ve been trying to tell us about. You know, as part of the years of science education this award honors.”
This is just depressing…
It is.
And the man ain’t subtle about it.
Somehow in spite of his negative comments he still gets the recognition he deserves from the authority structure. Whereas in the social mediasphere if he so much as Liked a disapproved tweet he would be crowd-demonized as The Enemy, his accomplishments would mean nothing, and saying anything good about him would be widely condemned.
I think that, vocal complainers aside, he’s still overall fairly popular. A popular white man saying wise stuff is a great opportunity to signal how committed you are to science without having to put actually significant amounts of money on the line or entering the minefield that is angering the anti-“woke” crowd. He’s a safe investment in public appearances.
Doesn’t mean they’ll have to listen to him. He gets a more sombre version of the Jester’s Privilege that allows him to say whatever he wants, they’ll nod and applaud and perform all the gestures of approval, but they won’t actually change anything.
The other half of it is probably the Internet Outrage culture that sees inciting content get more engagement and boosted visibility in a self-perpetuating cycle of upset. Legitimate criticism drowns in a sea of bullshit, everyone’s pissed off and we’re all easily swept up in the current of emotion. If we’re not mad at one person, we’re mad at the people pointlessly or excessively mad at them. If we try to stem against that, we’re dogpiled by loud complainers while quiet agreement leaves an upvote and moves on.
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Youtube is insisting I sign in to prove my age before I can watch that video.
Who? Corporate executives?
It has SWARES!! SWARES, I tell you!
I really wonder what industry y’all work in that you think the entire energy grid and vehicle fleet can be remade in 4 years.
Don’t worry protest voters, we may be able to start from scratch again in another 4 years.
I see Lemmy’s famous misreading is happening. I want environmental policy. But I know things take time. People that think everything can be remade in 4 years don’t know how big industry is and how much work it takes.
Oh yeah we will just keep waiting and watch them do significantly less than the bare minimum until the famines begin to finally affect us. Then, we will do something about it I’m sure.
Every time they run on an environmental policy, they lose. Every time they implement an environmental policy, they lose. And you’re amazed they aren’t gun ho about it? Like they just lost despite the green energy in the IRA. And Trump won with drill baby drill. Do you think Dems will run on it next time? Fuck no they won’t. They won’t touch it with 10 foot pole. They will run on “It’s the economy, stupid.” If you want environmental policy, you need to give them consistent and overwhelming victories.
Yeah so we should dismantle our political parties. They clearly don’t care about us and are willing to let us die horrible deaths. They do not serve us, they serve their donors and we put up with it for now.
So your solution is to instead do something impossible and definitely won’t happen. Right.
History tells me revolution is always believed to impossible until it happens and is believed have been inevitable. It is socialism or barbarism and I certainly prefer the former
call me when you get inside the whitehouse grounds.
If only popular revolutions were so easy
ikr, if only saying things on the internet would manifest them into reality.
Yeah 😔
Its a good thing talking about certain subjects helps make people aware of them and garner support
When has someone from the two major parties ran on environmental policy?
We can see the entire history.
Gore ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.
So what did Obama learn? Don’t touch it. Not one bit. And he won.
Hillary said maybe now is the time, she said she’d have a map room. She declared war on climate change. And bam she lost the election.
So what did Biden learn? Don’t touch it. Don’t say one word. And he won. But Biden did green energy anyway. And what did polls say? That he was going to lose the election.
So what did Kamala learn? There is no thanks for it. Don’t run on it. It doesn’t get anything.
And what won the election? “It’s the economy, stupid”. No one is running on environmentalism for a long time.
The best we can hope for is that Dems win without running on it, and do it anyway just like Biden did.
4 years? Climate scientists have been warning the world about climate change for about half a century, and urgently for a few decades. Bill Nye specifically has videos going back at least 13 years.
Don’t just blame the 2017-2021 Trump presidency either for the current high, if that is what you mean by your “reworking the energy grid/vehicles in 4 years” argument. US oil production was at its lowest since about 1950 under Bush Jr. then climbed again dramatically through Obama’s 2 terms. Then the Biden presidency started after a year of “low” production (that was actually higher than anything pre-2017) before climbing again steeply during the last 4 years. This is a problem of both parties, and the worst of it has happened in the last 13 years of which 9 were under a Dem president.
I think you’ve horribly misread what I said.
The chain is about Biden and his 4 years. People want the Dems to solve the whole literal problem in their term. In the case of Biden, it was 4 years. 2 years really when you consider he only had the House or Reps for 2 years.
Both parties? We all know the GOP isn’t going to do shit. They will do the exact opposite, actually. So it’s only Dems.
Past that I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. US oil production is not US oil usage. It was the fracking boom that increased production. As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each. Like you’re focused on wrong fry, small fry, and taking it out of context. Obama? Guess what Obama learned from Gore? That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition. He focused on health care. His thanks for that was to lose the house for the next 6 years. Guess the left didn’t want anything for 6 years of his presidency.
Explain. Do you think the oil disappears or doesn’t affect climate because it’s not burned in the US? Why wouldn’t I hold US policymakers accountable for oil being produced under their watch, even if it is exported?
Look at the chart. The decline started in the mid-80’s, and reached the bottom in 2005. By about 2001 it was the lowest since 1950. Years before the 2008 crash. You are right that the drop during Trump’s last year coincides with the onset of COVID, but it rises again as early as the summer of 2020. And continues unabated into Biden’s presidency and last year.
Obama was already elected into his 2nd term when oil production started climbing quicker than ever before at the end of 2012. Campaign strategy was over by then.
Nothing I’m seeing in the data suggests that Dems were meaningfully impeding/capping oil production. You may say it’s because the environment is a losing political proposition (and you may be right). But in doing so you’re just assigning a reason for the trends and timing that show dual-party responsibility.
… I’ve never been at a bigger loss for words.
You have a lot to learn.
4-10% of oil goes to plastic. Oil storage reserves are full and significant capacity isn’t being added.
So your critic is right. Oil produced is oil burned. If not in the US than elsewhere which affects global warming just the same.
Other than that I agree with everything else you said.
Then is not than, Christ.
How about explain where the surplus non burned oil is going instead of criticizing grammar.
The OP is extraordinarily wrong and won’t explain himself.
I’m criticizing the stupid fact that apparently no one fucking knows the difference in two basic words now
You worried your AI scraping is going to start giving bad results if everyone doesn’t post proper grammar?
Address the issue! Where does the unburned oil go?
Do you have any clue what you’re talking about? Seems braindead to accuse randos of weird AI conspiracies in response to your poor english skills.
Where does the unburned oil go?
At what point did I indicate I knew or cared about that? You seem spastic
If you don’t care about the topic being debated, then you are off topic.
I scrolled through your history:
“Great, my grammar is somehow imperfect so you win. /s”
Spastic indeed
Also, using the correct word isn’t really a grammar issue. It may have been a typo but since you seem bent on defending the mistake, I can only assume you’d prefer not to care about correct word usage
So when you use bad grammar it isn’t a problem because the point is to reply to the topic, not comment on grammar. But when I type the wrong word, the only issue is the wrong word.
I wouldn’t have had an issue with your correction at all if you had also addressed the topic.
Off topic corrections is something bots do, not people.
I have to assume you’ve never used the internet, or maybe even spoken to another human before?
Rather THEN keep responding here I’m going to get back to work THAN go get a coffee. Because words? Fuck 'em.
I get that you are autistic, but I’m trying to help you.
Lol says the person whose first thought is “it’s an AI conspiracy out to monetize my words!!”
That was a joke. You need to work on your personal skills.
Everyone kinda already decided a long time ago that the comedian’s job is to be funny. It’s not on the audience to suss out humor in a confusing place.
Also, you reached for autism as an insult so I’m pretty done with this conversation
Your hypocrisy level is astounding.
Phankx. Ur welco 4 de graner lexom
Your hypocrisy is dismissing grammar as an issue when you write awkward statements. Your hypocrisy is using personal insults but then getting offended when they are used against you.
You thought I believed you are training your own personal ai on Lemmy posts. Really?
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BTW, are you trying to say US oil usage has dropped? I looked that up and it’s not what’s happening.
wasn’t most of the fossil fuel increase under the obama admin an increase in natural gas? Rather than oil/coal, in order to replace, said infrastructure, as it’s cleaner.
May be cleaner to burn but we’re getting it by fracking which is terrible.
i mean, mining coal is also objectively terrible for the environment so…
Buddy. We’ve known about this problem since the 1970’s.
Where did I say we didn’t? Holy Lemmy never lets me down in how you misread.
The problem is everyone expects the Dems to solve it in one term. Now it’s Biden’s fault that he didn’t solve it in his one term. You know, remake the entire energy grid and turn over the entire vehicle fleet in his 4 years.
No, people expect the Dems to not exponentially make problems worse, since that’s their only function based on the last 80 years of their actions. Biden failed to do that simple function, and signed off more public lands to oil companies than trump and Bush Jr combined.
And this is where I wonder what industry y’all work in. To stop oil demand going up, you would have to produce not a single new ice car, not a single new gas furnace, not a single new gas water heater, not a single new gas stove, not a single new industrial gas furnace/processer/whatever machinery. Not a single one. To do that alone is a monumental task that takes unbelievable effort and time. Too many people think it can be done like you update code or something, y’all have no idea how big industry is. That’s just to stop it going up, not to actually reduce use. But don’t worry protest voters, we can start again in 4 years. And again don’t get me wrong, I want environmental policy. I just know what it takes.
We were talking about oil production. But yes, you can lay the framework to stop all of that in four years. Because we have alternatives to all of that that are cheaper too make, cheaper to own, cheaper to run, and cheaper to maintain, save for a few specific industrial use cases and the aviation industry.
You can just update code, and switch subsidies to non fossil fuels alternatives. And stop fucking blocking Chinese imports.
We can do it. We know we can because other countries are, and are showing how ridiculously easy it is. Shockingly easy. Frustratingly easy.
But you need to want to do it, and that requires putting the environment above personal investments and greed, and no Democrat is capable of that.
Stop excusing monsters, less you become one.
Fair enough we can limit this to oil if you want (but I look at the whole issue). Limiting to oil means no new ICE cars. Not a single one! And we’re back to what freaking industry do you guys work in. For every car company to retool every single plant. New assembly lines, new machinery. New parts suppliers, entirely new supply chain. Can’t forget you have to engineer and test new cars before that. For mining to pick up to produce all the chemicals. More new manufacturing expansion to manufacture batteries. Don’t forget all the assembly lines and machinery for that. Electrical companies, new power plants and new power lines. Hey cities and states, get that planning and permits going. Construction is notoriously fast /s.
You guys seem to have no idea the difficulty in working with physical products at scale.
And more inb4 Lemmy’s famous misreading, yes we should do it. What I’m saying is it takes more planning, effort, and time than you can imagine.
Oh you make a thinly veiled personal attack. Why do I bother. Ciao.
… No, it doesn’t. Xiaomi went from zero cars produced to 500,000 cars produced in under 5 years. All EVs. All without subsidization.
We can do this way faster than you oil loving freaks(since you’re already claiming I did a personal attack) would like to admit. It’s fucking easy. There’s a real reason why Americans hate China, because it’s shown the inherent lies and propaganda tied to every single belief that corporate dogs like you espouse.
You claim to want to help the environment. Stop repeating fossil fuel company lies and propaganda then. Maybe someone would take you seriously.
I don’t want to sound like I’m being another hater, you’ve copped a lot of unwarranted downvotes and vitriol. People not willing to discuss things is part of the problem- attacks and trying to silence people through downvotes does not contribute to discussion.
If you’re willing to keep presenting your viewpoint, I’d appreciate some clarity. I urge anyone replying to your comment to engage with thought and maturity. We all learn from opinions that aren’t aligned with ours.
My main question is around your claim that we would have to stop producing any new infrastructure that relies on oil, to prevent consumption going up. I’m not sure I agree- To use a simple example, if some industrial plant uses a diesel engine, and replaces it with a diesel engine that uses less diesel to achieve the same outcome, does that not reduce the overall consumption? Of course, this is a very simple example.
I think we’re at pretty marginal improvements for efficiency, and it’s overshadowed by the move to SUVs anway. I think it doesn’t amount to much for this 10,000 ft view kind of discussion.
Hybrids can do it, but I’m ‘ehhh’ on the whole concept.
I’m still trying to understand what you’re saying about needing to stop producing any ice cars if we are to reduce consumption.
Let’s say there are 250 million ice cars on the street. Ice sales stop. The next day how many ice cars are on the street? 250 million. Gas consumption is the same. You then have to wait (what everyone hates in our now now now world) for ice cars to wear out and inventory to turn over to see any decline in gas.
Good point, and well made. However, ICE cars are already wearing out. 250 million ICE cars on the road. ICE sales stop. The next day, some of those 250 million cars wear out. Gas consumption goes down.
Yeah but it’s the scale and timeframe. People talk like they expect gas consumption to go down now. It’s all over the place. They talk as if a few EVs will cause gas consumption to go down, and it’s so easy why aren’t we doing it already. The reality is it needs to be 100% EV sales for that to happen.
And it’s also policy. We’re not going to get 100% EV sales any time soon. So gas consumption will go up. Pretty much anything short of 100% ev sales means our gas consumption goes up. Combined with growing population, yeah more consumption.
It’s fairly straightforward- if a new car is an EV, consumption will be less than if that car was ICE.
Not when we go to SUVs, growing population, and growing car ownership per capita. This is not static like everyone talks about. To make any real dent you pretty much need 100% EV sales.
Again it’s the scale timeframe and policy. Scale: we’re talking the entire country, not singular cars. That means you have to account for what I listed above: movement to SUVs, growing population, and growing car ownership per capita. Timeframe: people demand decrease now. Not 20 years from now. That means you can’t wait out mixed EV and Ice sales for 20 years. Policy: People talk as if Biden failed because has consumption is up. Ok last explanation. He implements the impossible policy of 100% EV sales in 4 years. The result? Gas consumption is the same. See 250 million cars explanation. And people yell that he failed and it’s so easy. Reality is he succeeded and people don’t understand the metrics.
Ok, I can see you aren’t interested in debating this.
lol and now I see that you want to debate rather than seeking information like you initially said. Yeah that explains things.
When the opening goes out of its way to divert the conversation into political blame slinging, the vitriol is very much warranted.
we’re blaming people for things now???
strictly speaking, generally, yes it would. However for the sake of the argument, including this kind of detail is.
Not important.
so you mean all the oil production that trump created, that biden kept relatively linear wasn’t good enough?
You want the dems to reverse everything the republicans do, and more? Good luck with a political campaign.
Misinformation isn’t allowed here, Biden raised oil production, Trump lowered it.bhttps://www.eia.gov/dnav/…/LeafHandler.ashx?n…
Yes, I want them to adopt popular bipartisan policies, like m4a, green energy subsidies, food subsidies, new government housing, etc
if you’re referencing that specific graph, the graph where oil production starts fairly high, and then drops significantly due to covid, and then rose back up a little bit higher than where it was previously. Compared to the 2016-2020 period where there is a very clear and distinct rise in production? Even including the 2016 lull.
I wish this graph was a little cleaner, and didnt include 100 years worth of oil production, and also had a rate of change average over the top of it, that would really demonstrate the point i’m making.
i would like for them to adopt these as well, but i fear almost none of these are going to be “bipartisan” the political climate is just too much of a disaster for this stuff to matter right now. Also, doesn’t the IRA bill literally subsidize green energy? As well as appliance and utility upgrades for home owners.
Remember when Reagan took the solar panels off the White House? After Jimmy Carter was talking about how important the environment is? This fight has been so much longer than that. Its been over fifty years.
Sigh. People are blaming Biden because he didn’t solve it in his 4 years. “We elected him why isn’t it solved?!? Protest no vote!”
you and me both my friend, you and me both.
People, throughout all of the cool things they have done throughout history, are also the single stupidest organism to ever fucking exist and i cannot express my rage over how stupid people can be without being banned.
So, please, random lemmy users reading this, reactionary engagement is bad, use critical thinking, and don’t use quippy retorts. They don’t actually do anything.
People just want to watch the world burn, and so do i, not because i think my version of the world is better, but because it brings me enjoyment when i get to see people suffer the results of their choices. I will do nothing to stop you, and laugh all the way down. The world is in your hands my friend, choose wisely.
i’m actually curious to know how it compares to global production. With the war in ukraine and what not, kicked a HUGE export market right off a cliff.
The Presidential Medal of Freedom OF SCIENCE!
T - minus seven seconds
"Did you fart?"
"You're God damn right I did."
Bill Nye quietly seething as he is made part of a “gesture” done in lieu of action.
Bill Nye smirking defiantly after declining the medal of freedom, while a disappointed Biden removes it from his neck.
(The ghost of Mitt Romney chuckles to itself in the background)
Relax. Like you’re trying to fart.
Why is the frontman of talking heads being given a medal by the dude from Bram Stokers Dracula?
Byrned!
Though, I gotta say, Byrne’s suit’s shoulders would be ~1’ wider
Shitty AMA Hall of Fame
“Im gonna pretend I got this medal for debating that idiot Ken Ham”
Sex Junk
Animorphs cover art is coming along well.
“I used to watch you when you were a kid”
Wait….
“Here’s your medal but I have to admit I am a little disappointed that you didn’t do your Julia Child impression.”
Wine & science! The true Jesus’ path
Praise Dionysus in all incarnations!
I was Biden my time, but the time is Nye.
This
Biden hands our award for worst Netflix show ever.
I do love Bill. His newer show was just awful though.
2honkeys
Is that bill nye?
“Necromancer of the year being awarded to Bill Nye, delivered by the achievement that earned this medal: the animated corpse of Joseph Biden.”
Got you now Nye! 💀
Way to go Bill!
Bill Nye is a national treasure.
I’m a comedian not a scientist
Biden thinking: “Think fast. How do I seamlessly thread this ribbon under the iconic Bowtie of Science? All without losing my balance.”
“Did you fart, or was that me?”
“I’m… not sure.”
“Man his hair smells good”
“Cringe Bling from the Genocidal Planet-Destroyer to the Complicit”
Okay everybody, im done with the proudest moment of my life now. Someone please wake him up.
mr. president what are you doing?
“Come’on Jack! You know ; The Thing.”
This image makes me feel old
What, you wanna ball
with the kid
Watch your step
you might fall
Tryin ta do what I did
Mama-unh mama-unh mama
come closa’
In the middle of the club with the rubba duck
🎵🎶🎙️👨🎤🥁
Good work in school young man.
Biden wispers in his ear, “inertia is a property of matter”
SCIENCE RULES!
“Maybe after I choke him with this that God damn song will finally get out of my head…”
It’s even better in Chinese
youtu.be/THH7P08zuhU
Up the bum corner. Viz
“I’m taking this off you, Bill, and giving it to some CEO who said AI will fix climate change”
Bill Nye graciously accepts the Power Bottom Lifetime Achievement award.
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