I dunno. I just read multiple papers from years to decades ago on the mechanical factors for popcorn because I kept burning kettle corn.
Who knows who will crack open the book someday and why. You either want to contribute or not. Donāt focus on the perceived impact. It feels like modern culture has made any effort to try new things not seem worth it unless you get recognition but thatās not why we did it originally.
SupraMario@lemmy.world
on 08 Jul 14:28
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I think youāre missing the point here. This is about research being locked behind a paywall that causes it to not be used.
Yeah. But that doesnāt mean it will never be used. Itās normal to want to be paid for the work done but if people want to share they can just share it.
I think itās hard to say when someone will want your information and it might be well after you are dead and able to get anything from it.
There are lots of free recipes I would never use, and there are lots of paid cookbooks that I havenāt gotten my hands on yet but might one day because of their knowledge of making a good roux is worth saving (bake it, not in a pot)
Generally the difference is a paid service is better and worked on by the author. The work in these thesis āservicesā is done by others, the research funded by our tax dollars, and the āserviceā doesnāt contribute much of anything to be paid beyond server storage.
Researchers dont get paid. In fact, they usually have to pay to be published on reputable platforms. Those platforms are the ones charging.
As for why they publish there if they never profit, academic success is dependant on publishing (āpublished or perishā), so academics will pay to advance in their field, potentially getting funding for future studies. (Not from the publisher, obviously; but from grant programmes that only fund you if you have a body of work already.)
This is why if you contact a researcher directly, theyāll likely be willing to give you the finished thesis for free.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Jul 14:35
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I agreeā¦ I feel this way often especially now when an ai can write, make music and movies, and no one can actually tell the difference, there isnāt much point to creating anymore. Unless itās solely for you and you donāt want to show it to anyone else.
Huh itās funny how I think to do research for some things but not others. I really enjoy making popcorn on the stove but only half the time does it turn out light and crunchy. I keep at it thinking Iāll figure it out through trial and error but I should probably just look it up like you did.
Oh I am a scientist for everything I do. Make my hypothesis of and test stuff for how I think it would work but also so many people have done it already.
Itās essentially what all recipes are. Someone else did the research and I am taking their effort for an easier time. The best ones even note what changes to make for slight differences.
Also higher heat than you think, 400Ā°F/200Ā°C oil works best but you can also go dry and you will get a more puffed size apparently. To much moisture when cooking makes them dense.
I have discovered a wok is a really great popcorn maker if you donāt want to buy something niche. The high dome lid is double perfect for it and then shaking in the salt.
Ah my most recent assumptions seem to be wrong then. I thought I was unevenly heating the kernels and thatās why they werenāt popping fully, but maybe Iām not heating them fast enough actually.
Gonna try the wok thing, Iāve been looking for one more excuse to get one.
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 08 Jul 14:22
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smh
That guy should be happy that no AI will ever be trained on their work. Itās ok to contribute to progress, but only if itās progress the cool kids approve of. Know your place, nerds.
linkshulkdoingit69@lemmy.nz
on 08 Jul 14:50
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Yāknow with the Wayback Machine, book scans and public science funding under threat in the USA this sadly isnāt too far off base
Nice, so someone might actually come across it when searching for something specific that they donāt have the research skills to find normally instead of the research rotting in a closet as this comic indicates.
Iām 100% confident that there is a 30% chance that it is correct.
BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net
on 08 Jul 16:49
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I feel like a more common reaction is āFinally I am rid of this terrible burden that I took on in my naivete. It is riddled with errors that the cruel arrow of time prevents me from rectifying. May I be lucky enough to get a publication or two out of it and then finally be rid of it foreverā but maybe Iām speaking too closely to my own experience.
No, this is the way. PhD theses are probably like having an aggressive cancer and then submitting it is like a successful surgery.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
on 08 Jul 21:03
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Not really accurate - publishers might put papers behind paywalls, but researchers themselves are usually glad to send them to anyone who requests them as long as they have time. And itās totally legal, not like theyāre pirating their own papers.
Thatās a great point, Iāve reached out to researchers a few times to ask about their research and they have all freely just shared the work with me.
And since a grad school thesis isnāt published, thereās definitely no restrictions on the author sharing it. Maybe itāll get a few citations in the future. Not many, of course, but anything more than zero is nice.
My paper was published in MDPI open access and then a whole heap of publishing companies came along, stole it, and now charge money for it. And theyāre the ones you get first if you search for it in Google Scholar.
Iām so mad. I was proud of that and wanted people to see it, but now 90% of people who come across it will incorrectly think its behind a paywall and not bother.
Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Jul 11:24
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lowered_lifted@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Jul 21:15
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Thanks, Robert Maxwell!
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world
on 08 Jul 21:24
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i did enjoy looking at old thesis on my university. seing typewriter written thesis with hand drawn plots in graph papers, original gel images, glued in picturesā¦
those theses are adorable scrapbooks of stress, sweat and tears.
that are so precious
i_am_hiding@aussie.zone
on 09 Jul 08:17
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And so damn infuriating when you need them forty years later lol. Iām currently in the middle of some really obscure maths at work and my only reference is a hand typed paper from 1983 with super critial plots on it, but itās all been scanned in and put online at the lowest possible resolution. Itās torture!
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 12:50
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ouch,
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 09:26
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Not really relevant, but: word processors were just starting to be used when I went to college, but I still mostly preferred using my portable electric typewriter. During my junior year the G key broke off and disappeared, so all my papers from that point on have the Gs written in by hand. If they ever invent time travel, Iām going to assume that enough other people are going back to kill baby Hitler and Iāll slap the shit out of 20-year-old me.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 12:47
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thatās a gargantuan grind. go and get your garish young self.
threaded - newest
It will be read by thousands of LLMs š The knowledge will be just fingertips away. It wonāt be human knowledge tho but AI knowledge.
I owe my thesis to scihub lol. I canāt stand publishing companies, especially elsevier.
Elsevier is so bad
Is this the most boring episode of the twilight zone? I just made this 10 mins ago (was relevant in a convo):
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fd78f777-98aa-4a50-b55e-78e4b110e577.jpeg">
āThesis it?ā
āThis is itā I guess That heās finally done with his thesis.
Missing the frames where they shell out their own $$ to get it into that book thatās locked away.
This is my shelf, there are many like it but this one is mineā¦
It will be used as a midly useful paperweight eventually, dont worry
The biggest joke here is that he thinks his thesis will be worth something to other people at the time heās writing it.
I dunno. I just read multiple papers from years to decades ago on the mechanical factors for popcorn because I kept burning kettle corn.
Who knows who will crack open the book someday and why. You either want to contribute or not. Donāt focus on the perceived impact. It feels like modern culture has made any effort to try new things not seem worth it unless you get recognition but thatās not why we did it originally.
I think youāre missing the point here. This is about research being locked behind a paywall that causes it to not be used.
Yeah. But that doesnāt mean it will never be used. Itās normal to want to be paid for the work done but if people want to share they can just share it.
I think itās hard to say when someone will want your information and it might be well after you are dead and able to get anything from it.
There are lots of free recipes I would never use, and there are lots of paid cookbooks that I havenāt gotten my hands on yet but might one day because of their knowledge of making a good roux is worth saving (bake it, not in a pot)
Generally the difference is a paid service is better and worked on by the author. The work in these thesis āservicesā is done by others, the research funded by our tax dollars, and the āserviceā doesnāt contribute much of anything to be paid beyond server storage.
Think about how many painters, authors, artists, etc. have only received notoriety after their death and absolutely have contributed to culture.
HA, get a load of this, everyone! This person thinks researchers get paid royalties by the publishers!
<the entirety of academia grimly chuckles, a single tear of inner pain welling in each eye>
Researchers dont get paid. In fact, they usually have to pay to be published on reputable platforms. Those platforms are the ones charging.
As for why they publish there if they never profit, academic success is dependant on publishing (āpublished or perishā), so academics will pay to advance in their field, potentially getting funding for future studies. (Not from the publisher, obviously; but from grant programmes that only fund you if you have a body of work already.)
This is why if you contact a researcher directly, theyāll likely be willing to give you the finished thesis for free.
I agreeā¦ I feel this way often especially now when an ai can write, make music and movies, and no one can actually tell the difference, there isnāt much point to creating anymore. Unless itās solely for you and you donāt want to show it to anyone else.
Huh itās funny how I think to do research for some things but not others. I really enjoy making popcorn on the stove but only half the time does it turn out light and crunchy. I keep at it thinking Iāll figure it out through trial and error but I should probably just look it up like you did.
Oh I am a scientist for everything I do. Make my hypothesis of and test stuff for how I think it would work but also so many people have done it already.
Itās essentially what all recipes are. Someone else did the research and I am taking their effort for an easier time. The best ones even note what changes to make for slight differences.
Also higher heat than you think, 400Ā°F/200Ā°C oil works best but you can also go dry and you will get a more puffed size apparently. To much moisture when cooking makes them dense.
I have discovered a wok is a really great popcorn maker if you donāt want to buy something niche. The high dome lid is double perfect for it and then shaking in the salt.
Ah my most recent assumptions seem to be wrong then. I thought I was unevenly heating the kernels and thatās why they werenāt popping fully, but maybe Iām not heating them fast enough actually.
Gonna try the wok thing, Iāve been looking for one more excuse to get one.
smh
That guy should be happy that no AI will ever be trained on their work. Itās ok to contribute to progress, but only if itās progress the cool kids approve of. Know your place, nerds.
Yāknow with the Wayback Machine, book scans and public science funding under threat in the USA this sadly isnāt too far off base
Luckily everyone on my field publishes their papers (preprint) on arxiv as well
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Open AI probably already has it in its training data.
Nice, so someone might actually come across it when searching for something specific that they donāt have the research skills to find normally instead of the research rotting in a closet as this comic indicates.
70% chance the AI uses it to sound more confident, while being entirely incorrect.
You sound awfully confident about that number.
Iām 100% confident that there is a 30% chance that it is correct.
I feel like a more common reaction is āFinally I am rid of this terrible burden that I took on in my naivete. It is riddled with errors that the cruel arrow of time prevents me from rectifying. May I be lucky enough to get a publication or two out of it and then finally be rid of it foreverā but maybe Iām speaking too closely to my own experience.
No, this is the way. PhD theses are probably like having an aggressive cancer and then submitting it is like a successful surgery.
Not really accurate - publishers might put papers behind paywalls, but researchers themselves are usually glad to send them to anyone who requests them as long as they have time. And itās totally legal, not like theyāre pirating their own papers.
Thatās a great point, Iāve reached out to researchers a few times to ask about their research and they have all freely just shared the work with me.
And since a grad school thesis isnāt published, thereās definitely no restrictions on the author sharing it. Maybe itāll get a few citations in the future. Not many, of course, but anything more than zero is nice.
My paper was published in MDPI open access and then a whole heap of publishing companies came along, stole it, and now charge money for it. And theyāre the ones you get first if you search for it in Google Scholar.
Iām so mad. I was proud of that and wanted people to see it, but now 90% of people who come across it will incorrectly think its behind a paywall and not bother.
What was your paper on?
That feels like it should violate the license
Thanks, Robert Maxwell!
i did enjoy looking at old thesis on my university. seing typewriter written thesis with hand drawn plots in graph papers, original gel images, glued in picturesā¦
those theses are adorable scrapbooks of stress, sweat and tears.
that are so precious
And so damn infuriating when you need them forty years later lol. Iām currently in the middle of some really obscure maths at work and my only reference is a hand typed paper from 1983 with super critial plots on it, but itās all been scanned in and put online at the lowest possible resolution. Itās torture!
ouch,
Not really relevant, but: word processors were just starting to be used when I went to college, but I still mostly preferred using my portable electric typewriter. During my junior year the G key broke off and disappeared, so all my papers from that point on have the Gs written in by hand. If they ever invent time travel, Iām going to assume that enough other people are going back to kill baby Hitler and Iāll slap the shit out of 20-year-old me.
thatās a gargantuan grind. go and get your garish young self.
very nice