just one more bro
from fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz on 10 Oct 18:43
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RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world on 10 Oct 18:52 next collapse

False vacuum … expansion?

ceenote@lemmy.world on 10 Oct 18:59 next collapse

Turns out, there’s a rule against exterminating all life in the universe with a wish, but the genie doesn’t know what an electron is or what adding one to every atom will do, so you’ve found yourself a loophole.

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 10 Oct 19:49 next collapse

Genie, while looking up Wikipedia:
Aah, I understand. Nice wish, granted!

OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works on 10 Oct 20:00 next collapse
MrLLM@ani.social on 11 Oct 00:13 collapse

Wouldn’t that make reality crash? Unless the genie can spawn all the electrons at once, but in that case you’d be talking to god.

ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip on 11 Oct 04:35 collapse

I’m a physicist, not a genie, and I have no fucking clue what adding an electron to every atom would do. I can’t even begin to fathom the question.

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 05:48 next collapse

Whatever it is that happens, it would be pretty violent.
“What If” had a slightly different, more localized but more concentrated premise it covered once:
Electron Moon

Quote:
“This is, by far, the most destructive What-If scenario to date.”

ceenote@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 13:55 next collapse

I don’t know either, I just think the consequences would be universally negative.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 16:44 next collapse

break all chemical bonds immediately, there will probably be further consequences regarding a universal electron imbalance, but we would already be atomised

418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 22:19 collapse
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 10 Oct 19:24 next collapse

ls this some kind of problem at all?
I mean, it is not wishing to add an electron to each atom in the Universe…

Butterbee@beehaw.org on 11 Oct 02:09 next collapse

Good catch

OpenStars@piefed.social on 11 Oct 02:11 next collapse

To the set of all atoms in the universe, add one single, extra electron. Easy peasy:-).

Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it on 11 Oct 18:32 collapse

I don’t get the difference

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 18:53 collapse

See e.g. here.

The relevant part:

The second difference between each, every, and all impacts how the objects of a sentence are distributed among the members of the group. Look at this:

Each child wore a hat. → one hat per child

Every child wore a hat. → one hat per child

All the children wore a hat. → the children shared one hat

So the wish would add one additional electron to the entire universe.

Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it on 11 Oct 19:13 collapse

Ooh thank you!

kittehx@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Oct 19:32 next collapse

Wish granted: the same electron is added to all atoms in the universe.

This one single electron is created in a quantum state described by a wave function that is uniformly distributed over every atom in the universe. This wave function collapses nearly instantaneously to a single position, and the end result is that one random atom in the entire universe gains one electron.

Nothing of interest happens.

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 10 Oct 19:46 next collapse

Considering how intentionally malecious the side effects of typical genie-wishes tend to be, the extra electron probably comes to rest in the wishers hypophysis and causes a free radical that leads to a rare sort of cancer that prevents the wisher from falling asleep ever again, so he dies in madness scratching out his own eyes.
0r something similar along that line.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 11 Oct 05:57 next collapse

its like the wishmaster GENIE(djinn) which is really demons, since demons also grant wishes. he gives wishes but the wishes always have unintentional consequences if your not very specific. I think Xfiles there was a genie episode, where mulder was able to grant a “true wish” that end up negating everything(the bad wishes). or like shikon jewel which doesnt really grant a true wish to a person.

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 06:23 collapse

Coincidently I watched the X-Files episode a few weeks back.
I loved it!
It is one of their more dark comedy ones with some philosophical topics.
No “true wish” at the end, as far I remember, but a nice twist and imo quite satisfying ending.

mr_satan@lemmy.zip on 11 Oct 07:40 collapse

0r something similar along that line.

I’m really bothered by that zero 0 instead of an o O.

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 07:52 collapse

Oh, you are right…
Sorry, handwriting recognition sometimes has its own mind.
And this error must have slipt my prove reading as it is just too well camouflaged…

SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space on 11 Oct 19:08 collapse

Using a drawing pad for typing, and spelling the word “slipt” !?! could a prophet truly be among us???

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 19:44 collapse

No, just using the standard Gboard on Android. It has build-in handwriting recognition which for some reasons I like better than the standard virtual keyboard.

And regarding the remaining typing errors: just take them as an indication that I’m very likely not an AI ;-)

The “slipt” was probably caused by a false-friends-like scenario based on the translated word in my mother tongue: “entschlüpft”.
Notice the added “t” at the end that denotes the past tense.

SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space on 13 Oct 09:38 collapse

Today I learned: that there is a more exciting word than (false) “cognate” to describe an appearance of similar words between languages that may (or may not) have similar meaning as each other. Danke, meine “false-friend” 8)

CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world on 10 Oct 19:54 next collapse

One-electron Universe

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0aa4684b-5dc0-4227-9e31-90d8f5b79325.jpeg">

peoplebeproblems@midwest.social on 10 Oct 22:23 next collapse

It’s all fun and games until someone points out that anti-atoms are predicted to have identical properties to atoms.

Then the whole chiral parity symmetry stuff gets involved, and you talk about quantized spacetime, and how come the entire universe is essentially perturbations on a continous universe spanning set of fields, and things start getting existential.

I personally believe time is the real problem.

Scubus@sh.itjust.works on 11 Oct 05:59 collapse

Look into projection theory. a 3d object casts a 2d shadow, so a 4d object would cast a 3d shadow. The implications of that are wild.

peoplebeproblems@midwest.social on 11 Oct 10:23 collapse

Are you referring to the holographic principal?

My dad is a mathematician and loves to play with it. He’s got entire notebooks with it but unfortunately nothing profound (he was a professor for years). Mostly just proofs resulting in what’s already been published (not sure why, maybe he’s looking for something or just thinks it’s cool?)

xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works on 11 Oct 01:10 collapse

I think this is much more challenging than One Block Minecraft

halvar@lemy.lol on 10 Oct 21:09 next collapse

boooring now do the apocalypse

rikudou@lemmings.world on 11 Oct 01:09 next collapse

So that’s how matter won over antimatter.

HK65@sopuli.xyz on 11 Oct 10:56 collapse

Classic case of “history is written by the victors”. You only call it antimatter because it lost, if it won, you’d call it matter.

sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Oct 11:33 next collapse

Can the wish include a --dry-run option before going for it fully?

AtariDump@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 17:02 next collapse

-whatif

Quantenteilchen@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 20:20 collapse

That’s the Chris and Jack sketch currently listed above somewhere in this thread on my client.

humorlessrepost@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 15:36 next collapse

The genie granted two wishes at once. The other was from a speed runner.

thegamer.com/how-ionizing-particle-outer-space-he…

During the race, an ionizing particle from outer space collided with DOTA_Teabag’s N64, flipping the eighth bit of Mario’s first height byte. Specifically, it flipped the byte from 11000101 to 11000100, from “C5” to “C4”. This resulted in a height change from C5837800 to C4837800, which by complete chance, happened to be the exact amount needed to warp Mario up to the higher floor at that exact moment.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 16:43 collapse

go with the one electron theory, how can you add an elecron to every atom when there’s already only one electron in the whole universe.

lengau@midwest.social on 11 Oct 20:17 collapse

Well now there are two electrons in the universe and their job is way easier.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 22:12 collapse

except that in the single electron theory, all electrons and positrons are the same object going back and forth through time, bouncing from the end of the universe and the big bang, adding another electron might double the mass in the universe

Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz on 10 Oct 20:33 next collapse

Is there an XKCD What If about this? Sounds exactly like that territory.

Chakravanti@monero.town on 11 Oct 15:01 next collapse

Idk, but if not, I bet there’s an SMBC with an exponential implosion of the nonsense and then some.

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 19:25 collapse

Not 100% identical scenario, but near enough:
what-if.xkcd.com/140/

mycodesucks@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 00:50 next collapse

The real question isn’t if the universe ends…

It’s if the genie magic expands outward from the source at the speed of light, or if it’s instantaneous everywhere, which would allow information to be transmitted faster than the speed of light, allowing for violations of causality, and destroying our fundamental understanding of the universe before we all died.

rikudou@lemmings.world on 11 Oct 01:08 next collapse

Not if the universe is inside the genie.

mycodesucks@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 05:32 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3e7aea2f-7861-4e7f-848d-5f9441b64c3c.gif">

It’s genies all the way down.

Mist101@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 14:47 collapse

It’s really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really fun to think about taking a speed of light ride.

humorlessrepost@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 15:33 collapse

You wouldn’t have any time to appreciate it.

Mist101@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 19:31 collapse

Well, it’s not a bowl.

Chakravanti@monero.town on 11 Oct 05:50 collapse

No. It’s inside you. For listening to the genie.

banause@feddit.org on 11 Oct 06:04 collapse

The genie didn’t do anything. It was you the whole time!

Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 06:37 next collapse

The fermion number conservation would be violated anyways.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 13:42 next collapse

real question, is there a difference?

In theory yes, but for any observer, it won’t matter and it’s all the same to them, as they cannot observe any difference in either case.

MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip on 11 Oct 18:04 collapse

This assumes the genie doesn’t have access to some weird higher-reality or higher-“dimensional” power. For instance, if the universe is a simulation, then perhaps the genie has access to a console.

NichtElias@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 14:20 collapse

And you don’t call discovering that the universe is a simulation “destroying our fundamental understanding of the universe”?

MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip on 12 Oct 18:04 collapse

Yes and no. Nothing that we know about the universe preclude it being a simulation, so learning only that it is a simulation is more expanding out fundamental understanding of the universe. However, as things stand, we are pretty damn convinced that nothing violates causality while following the internal rules of the universe, so if the genie did that without invoking some power we might call “outside the universe”, then we learn that the universe can internally violate causality - THAT might destroy our fundamental understanding of the universe.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 05:08 next collapse

just choose an electron somewhere random in the universe, and declare said electron to be the legal property of every atom in the universe. problem solved

Tilgare@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 05:59 collapse

I think in this way, one universe was obliterated and ours was created at the big bang.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 16:42 next collapse

seriously, a single meaningless executive order or law. could make that wosh happen without ant magic

MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip on 11 Oct 18:01 collapse

“There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.” - Douglas Adams

ragas@lemmy.ml on 11 Oct 19:58 collapse

So basically the simulation argument where the guys running the simulation are watching us.

MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip on 12 Oct 04:20 collapse

Potentially. Douglas Adam’s imagined a lot of weird shit, and was also good at combining words in ways that drove imagination in the readers even if he didn’t have any specific thing in mind when written.

His words here could be taken to mean “God” didn’t want to be known/understood, like the Tower of Babel.

Unrelated to the previous, the Elder Scrolls mythos contains a sort of transcendence concept called CHIM, which involves coming to fully understand reality and the person’s relationship to it. Since that reality is, according to at least some, a dream, that means accepting that you are just a part of a dream. Managing to fundamentally internalize that without winking out of existence is apparently extraordinarily difficult. All that to say, perhaps a similar mechanic could drive the “dream” to reset itself, or start anew.

Soktopraegaeawayok@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 12:33 next collapse

What will 1 extra electron do? Destroy universe?

Is it like every Proton has an anti-proton and if it wasnt perfectly balanced the universe would fall apart? Ive heard something like that before…

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 16:41 next collapse

or would mess with the chemical bonds of all chemistry, likely breaking up every single molecule into individual atoms, immediately killing everyone and destroy everything

nomecks@lemmy.wtf on 11 Oct 21:00 next collapse

Lots of things become conductive.

PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space on 11 Oct 21:47 collapse

It’ll be like a Coulombic explosion, but with an excess of negative instead of positive charges.
Everywhere in the universe where matter forms lumps, they would disintegrate.

regdog@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 13:26 next collapse

Did someone read The Laundry Files? What you are describing is approximately used in making a Basilisk Gun

lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 17:19 next collapse

This reminds me of the sketch from Chris and Jack, where one person tries to outsmart a genie with the perfect wish and almost succeeds, but ultimately fails.

pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe on 11 Oct 20:06 collapse

Chris n Jack are hilarious!

Fun fact : Jack is Jack de sena - Voice actor of sokka from Avatar the Last Airbender.

They have cameos from other voice actors from the show as well in their skits.

swagmoney@lemmy.ca on 11 Oct 18:16 next collapse

my wish is to change the mass of the proton.

nomecks@lemmy.wtf on 11 Oct 20:58 collapse

To 23 lbs

Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip on 12 Oct 16:42 collapse

*23 N

ivanafterall@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 19:04 next collapse

1.) I wish the speed of light were 60 MPH.

2.) I wish nothing could travel slower than light.

3.) I wish for the genie’s freedom.

SomethingBurger@jlai.lu on 11 Oct 20:38 collapse

  1. Granted. The definition of a mile is now 1/60th of the distance travelled by light in an hour.
  2. This is already the case, as matter travels through time and space at the speed of light. The speed of light is the only speed, the only variable is how much of that speed is used in space or time.
Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Oct 21:02 next collapse

Sounds like a case for xkcd’s what if

418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 22:16 collapse

I asked ChatGPT what would happen. Here you go:

If every atom in the universe suddenly gained one extra electron, the result would be instant, universe-ending chaos — in less than a nanosecond. Here’s why:

1. Universal Negative Charge Imbalance

Right now, matter is electrically neutral — the positive charges in nuclei balance the negative charges of electrons. Adding one electron to every atom makes every single atom negatively charged. The universe instantly becomes dominated by repulsive electrostatic forces.

Coulomb’s law tells us electric forces are ~10³⁶ times stronger than gravity. That means: • Atoms would violently repel each other. • Molecules couldn’t hold together. • Planets, stars, and galaxies — all held together by gravity — would be ripped apart by overwhelming electrostatic repulsion.

Within moments, all normal matter disintegrates into a plasma of electrons and nuclei being hurled away from each other.

2. Collapse of Atomic and Molecular Structure

Each atom now has one more electron than its nucleus can bind: • The extra electron would either occupy a weakly bound outer orbital or be completely unbound. • Chemical bonds depend on balanced electron sharing — those would fail instantly. • Solids, liquids, and gases all cease to exist in recognizable form.

Essentially, chemistry ends. There’s no more “matter” in the familiar sense — just a roiling cloud of charged particles.

3. Energy Release on an Unimaginable Scale

The addition of an electron to every atom requires — or releases — colossal energy, depending on the element and context: • Ionization energies and electron affinities differ between atoms. • You’re effectively forcing a global-scale electron capture reaction.

But the real kicker is that the sudden Coulomb repulsion between everything would dwarf any nuclear explosion imaginable. The entire universe’s matter would “explode” outward — far beyond the speed of galactic escape velocities — powered by the electrostatic potential energy now released.

4. No Stable Matter, No Light, No Universe

With matter annihilated into a universal electron-ion plasma: • Photons would scatter off free charges (via Thomson scattering). • The universe would become completely opaque. • Eventually, as it expands and cools, you might end up with diffuse clouds of charged particles, but never stable atoms again.

You’d basically reset the universe to something like an ultra-energetic pre-recombination plasma — except with the wrong charge balance and no chance of re-neutralizing.

In short:

Adding one extra electron to every atom would: • Destroy all atomic and molecular structure. • Overwhelm gravity entirely. • Convert the universe into a high-energy, negatively charged plasma. • Likely erase all physical structures — stars, planets, life, everything — in an instant.

It’s not a slow catastrophe; it’s an immediate, total one.

icelimit@lemmy.ml on 13 Oct 11:20 collapse

Maybe that’s what happened with the big bang. Some ent just randomly wished the protons and neutrons liked each other and electrons have to just dance around them instead of the stable atomic pudding as observed and proven by J.J Thomson which made sure the world was flat and unchanging, moving only on the whims of the Great A’tuin.

We now have this mess where things are spinning and rolling around. Absolute nonsense I tell you. It’s all chaotic and unbalanced. I wouldn’t be surprised if suddenly everything popped or ripped apart.