Jackhammer
from fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz on 07 Sep 2024 14:53
https://mander.xyz/post/17746825

#science_memes

threaded - newest

Golfnbrew@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 15:04 next collapse

Ah, so this isn’t tinnitus, I can actually hear the sun!

don@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 16:55 next collapse

That or you’re standing next to a jackhammer.

NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 17:51 collapse

Oh hey, thanks! Been hearing it for years, turns out I just never look left!

I wish they’d give me my driver’s license back…

RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 17:13 collapse

I’m not sure what kind of jack hammer you’ve used, but they sound nothing like Tinnitus.

saltesc@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 17:29 collapse

Nah. It starts out like THUD! THUD! and then slowly after a couple minutes of warming up, that goes all muffled and it becomes that familiar high-pitched ringing noise.

bitchkat@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 19:23 collapse

Mine is more of a mixture of static and a hum. Maybe what tingly would sound like.

thesporkeffect@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 15:07 next collapse

I imagine it would be kind of like the hypnotoad sound

rockerface@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 15:54 collapse

Obey the giant burning floating orb

EleventhHour@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 16:12 collapse

All hail Almighty Ra!

Zagorath@aussie.zone on 07 Sep 2024 16:26 collapse

!aom@lemm.ee leaking

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 07 Sep 2024 17:51 collapse

Nah my mind went to Stargate

Zagorath@aussie.zone on 08 Sep 2024 01:06 collapse

I’ll admit I’ve never watched Stargate, but I thought it was scifi? I didn’t realise it engaged with Egyptian mythology.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 08 Sep 2024 02:06 collapse

It heavily features a race of creatures that have posed as gods throughout most of human history, so it touches on almost all the mythologies. Egyptian mythology features very heavily, with Ra being the first of this alien race that the series engages with.

Zagorath@aussie.zone on 08 Sep 2024 03:22 collapse

Oh neat. I should get around to watching it.

Darkard@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 15:13 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e9b06928-2a5d-4445-b691-aa9274798112.png">

RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Sep 2024 17:37 next collapse

I can hear this image

SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 18:09 collapse

I scrolled slow and mentally imagined it.

unreachable@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 17:52 collapse
ladicius@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 15:14 next collapse

Noone would live for longer than a few weeks after the sun went out.

JayObey711@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 15:37 next collapse

Nah, I’m different tho

otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Sep 2024 16:34 collapse

Mama says.

TachyonTele@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 16:03 next collapse

Noone is one tough mf. I wish more of us could be like him.

otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Sep 2024 16:34 collapse

Noone rides the alot. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/f17f75e4-a825-48ad-b941-56839ab550b6.webp">

Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Sep 2024 17:18 collapse

<img alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi5-mf4UZZLcbC4xZWgrJ16kD1zGymICpYvJ3PdF8eP1kgfYREEhi05EYgw2vnDceqYcamU-1qq9T8zJzI_Wzc4GWlPjna50U5uizZsyFXayd6_aUJSFlcqoUvExt7yGSgzf8n2zW0bgbQ/s1600/ALOT.png">

Link for context

otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Sep 2024 20:03 next collapse

My team. 🤘🏽

TachyonTele@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 23:21 next collapse

That’s great, thank you for that

EightLeggedFreak@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 2024 12:43 collapse

I like this alot

Samsy@lemmy.ml on 07 Sep 2024 19:09 collapse

Okay just to be clear. The sun not only went out. The sun will explode and we too.

chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Sep 2024 02:26 collapse

A lot of the suppositions are done with impossible to happen stuff, like the sun literally disappearing, or collapsing into a blackhole with no added mass (a sun mass blackhole would be stable, but I don’t know how one could be created).

If it disappeared, then we’d still feel even gravity for those 8 mins, as the effect of gravity propagated at the speed of light. If it somehow magically became a black hole, we’d still orbit it the same even after 8 mins, but losing all the head would eventually kill us.

The expected explosion wouldn’t be what makes the earth uninhabitable either. The sun increases in luminosity by ~1% every 100 million years, and it’s estimated that between 700 million and 1.5 billion years the surface of the planet will be too hot for liquid water. An astronomer also says photosynthesis would be impossible in 500-600 million years.

lath@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 15:17 next collapse

It does. We can’t hear it, but it does.

degen@midwest.social on 07 Sep 2024 16:31 collapse

Well, I think technically it doesn’t. There’s no medium to propagate pressure waves, so at no point would the mechanics of sound actually exist, I would think.

prime_number_314159@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 17:44 collapse

The sun itself is a medium that can propogate sound waves. Someone standing on the Moon could equally well make the case that there is no medium to propagate pressure waves from the Earth, so the Earth must not make a sound.

degen@midwest.social on 07 Sep 2024 18:22 collapse

Aye, true. Though I would consider that case different (slightly, but not fundamentally wrt waves existing) from the sun because on earth there are atmospheric sound waves that just don’t reach out to the moon. But I hadn’t thought of the possibility of waves going into the sun, so there would be existing waves there too. More akin to making a sound on the moon by vibrating the moon itself I suppose.

Edit: and really, I’m talking out of my ass lol. There could very well be gases or some such to vibrate around the sun, even coming out of the sun and carrying vibrations, but I don’t know enough.

Bumblefumble@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 18:43 collapse

The sun has an atmosphere so there are soundwaves coming out of it. It’s actually all one big atmosphere getting thinner and thinner as you go out just like ours.

degen@midwest.social on 07 Sep 2024 19:02 collapse

That makes me wonder where the sun ends and it’s atmosphere begins! Stars are weird.

Bumblefumble@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 19:40 collapse

Technically there is no boundary, it’s atmosphere all the way in. But what we might call the “surface” is the photosphere. That is where the density becomes “low” (read not insanely high) enough that light can escape in a free path.

Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 15:51 next collapse

Just one small hitch: if there was an atmosphere in space dense enough to carry sound, the earth would burn up in minutes.

HaleHirsute@infosec.pub on 07 Sep 2024 16:24 next collapse

And apparently it would be quite loud during the burning!

don@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 16:53 next collapse

Well yeah, I wouldn’t expect people and other animals to be quiet while the entire planet is burning up.

cRazi_man@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 17:21 collapse

JACKHAMMERS I TELL YA!!

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 15:08 collapse

The planet could simply exist further back from the sun where the R^2 property renders the energy more diffuse.

idiomaddict@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 16:50 next collapse

When I was little, I thought the sound of cicadas came from the sun.

BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world on 07 Sep 2024 17:47 collapse

They always did seem to get louder when a wave of heat would roll over the area.

don@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 16:50 next collapse

That’s funteresting to think about.

variants@possumpat.io on 07 Sep 2024 18:40 next collapse

If it takes 13 years for sound how long would it take for us to reach the sun on a rocket

OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 18:48 next collapse

We can go faster than sound that’s what a sonic boom is.

randomuser38529@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 19:20 next collapse

Guile enters the chat

BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works on 07 Sep 2024 19:42 collapse

👨‍🍳🤌🏻

Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net on 07 Sep 2024 21:15 collapse

I thought a Sonic boom was when Sonic drops the mic

xilliah@beehaw.org on 07 Sep 2024 19:00 collapse

Interesting question.

You’d have to cancel out the sideway movement of the earth, and it’s going roughly 85000km an hour.

Once you cancel that out, you’ll simply fall down to the sun. But you’d need a very powerful rocket. It’s way easier to get to mars, as comparison.

It’s more realistic to do gravity assists from venus and other bodies, and in that case it’d take years. Just a rough guesstimate would be 10 years I guess? But maybe you’d have to even sling past jupiter or something to really slow down, so then it might be decades.

variants@possumpat.io on 07 Sep 2024 19:21 next collapse

Wow I didn’t think it’d be that complicated haha, I imagined we’d just swirl towards it like going down thr toilet

xilliah@beehaw.org on 09 Sep 2024 10:12 collapse

Sometimes I wish the earth did that

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Sep 2024 20:23 collapse

If the planets line up correctly, you can do it in way less, like 4 or 5 months. I’d need to get some orbital calculations out for the whole thing

But simplest case, you lower your perihel to Venus orbit, that’ll take you less than half a year. With a perfect gravity assist you can then head straight for the sun at more than orbital speed, accelerating as you go. Free fall time is a fraction of orbit time, and you’re going in with a high initial velocity, so a month or two more, max. That’s 6-9 months total, but it’ll be faster with more Δv

pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online on 07 Sep 2024 21:31 next collapse

Found the KSP player

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 08 Sep 2024 07:05 collapse

Easy to spot, huh

xilliah@beehaw.org on 09 Sep 2024 10:13 collapse

You sound like a modern shaman

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 09 Sep 2024 10:22 collapse

I’ll take that as a compliment :D

As the other person called out, it’s the KSP experience coming in clutch

xilliah@beehaw.org on 07 Sep 2024 18:52 next collapse

Dang, we’d have to wear ear protection all day!

Samsy@lemmy.ml on 07 Sep 2024 19:11 next collapse

Evolution would say: nope. And the surviving class would be deaf. No one is able to accept a permanent jackhammer.

dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 19:35 next collapse

Evolution might just block out certain frequencies. No need to go completely deaf.

Samsy@lemmy.ml on 07 Sep 2024 19:59 collapse

Like the frequency dying plants make? Makes sense. Looks like evolution could already did this in the past.

pfm@scribe.disroot.org on 07 Sep 2024 20:53 next collapse

Thanks for making me aware 🙇

Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net on 07 Sep 2024 21:17 next collapse

Wait you mean you guys can’t hear that?

pyre@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 23:33 collapse

I’m sorry what the fuck now

Samsy@lemmy.ml on 08 Sep 2024 03:23 collapse

www.nytimes.com/2023/…/plant-sounds-stress.html

pyre@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 07:19 collapse

alright that’s it, I’m never eating plant based food again.

oxideseven@lemmy.ca on 08 Sep 2024 16:12 collapse

What… What’s let to eat then?

pyre@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 16:22 next collapse

meat, exclusively

Samsy@lemmy.ml on 08 Sep 2024 17:50 collapse

Sure, meat doesn’t make sounds while dying. /s

pyre@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 18:11 collapse

well at least you can hear it. what the plants have is some I have no mouth but I must scream type shit. also they can’t even run away. eating vegetables is absolutely inhumane.

superkret@feddit.org on 19 Sep 2024 19:06 collapse

The animals you eat eat a lot more plants during their life than you ever could.
The solution is obvious: Only eat baby animals. They grow on their mothers’ milk, which hurts no one.

apt8@sh.itjust.works on 24 Sep 2024 18:46 collapse

Correct conclusion

XTL@sopuli.xyz on 08 Sep 2024 20:03 collapse

Fungi.

SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works on 08 Sep 2024 00:28 collapse

Or evolve the ability to echolocate with the reflections of the background noise. Like our eyes does with light.

gmtom@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 19:48 next collapse

This seems like bullshit to me. I don’t think the noise level of the sun is something we have solid data on

YerbaYerba@lemm.ee on 07 Sep 2024 20:05 next collapse

The sun apparently vibrates, but at frequencies too low to hear anyway. https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/sounds-of-the-sun/

TheUnicornsForever@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 2024 17:07 collapse

I traced down this loud sun theory, and it comes from a post from reddit of a guy who did the maths and obtained a volume level of 100dBA, although with one bold assumption, which is that the sound of the sun would propagate just as well as its light, which would absolutely not be true if there was an atmosphere between the sun and the earth. This reddit post has then been cited in a few articles. Sauce for anyone interested www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/…/cqpsap8/

Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net on 07 Sep 2024 20:01 next collapse

imagine living on a cold dead earth for thirteen years

you’d be dead in a week

xantoxis@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 20:52 next collapse

You wouldn’t, of course. Hearing, the way we hear, in such an environment would be useless. We wouldn’t have evolved that. This is like saying “ultraviolet radiation from the sun would be everywhere, all the time, can you imagine?” It is everywhere all the time, but as such it isn’t a useful sense to possess, so we don’t.

This also makes some very weird assumptions about what the sound would be like. If space were a medium sound could travel through then it would–like all mediums capable of carrying a sound wave–alter the wave in many ways. Intensity, frequency, etc. But since we don’t know what kind of medium that would be, and since the comment doesn’t posit any particular medium, we don’t know what the sound would sound like or even how loud it would be.

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 07 Sep 2024 21:46 next collapse

I assume that this thought experiment posits a space filled with the same average density of particles found at ground level on Earth. Obviously such a thing is nonsensical, but it serves to illuminate one aspect of the raw power of the Sun that we ignore, because we’re insulated from it by 93 million miles of vacuum.

stephen01king@lemmy.zip on 07 Sep 2024 23:42 next collapse

By your logic, light isn’t a useful sense to possess since it’s everywhere all the time thanks to sunlight and moonlight, is that correct?

Actually, since ultraviolet radiation and light are both electromagnetic waves, they should be treated the same, shouldn’t they? It’s as if there could be a different reason why we can detect one but not the other.

chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Sep 2024 02:12 collapse

Yes, and some animals (mostly birds iirc) do see UV. Boring brown/black birds aren’t so boring in UV. I don’t know the evolutionary pressure necessary for UV, but it could have developed. Red, for instance, is believed to have been useful for us to pick out berries. Wolves, being carnivorous, wouldn’t necessarily need it, so see in yellow blue… or so I read as a theory a while ago.

daddy32@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 13:17 collapse

Bees see UV too, it supposedly helps them navigating around flowers.

SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works on 08 Sep 2024 00:25 collapse

If the sound is more of a loud hiss, you might find that echolocation can work very well. Much like our eyes collect available light bouncing off surfaces, similar techniques can be used with sound.

niktemadur@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 21:22 next collapse

A bullet fired from a gun goes more or less at Mach 1, correct?
It’s thirteen years to the sun at the speed of a bullet?

Spacecraft towards Mercury, or the Parker Solar Probe go much faster than that, take a few years to make it there, but they are doing so picking up speed in flybys of first Earth, then Venus, then Mercury, in several, ever tighter orbits.

It’s both fun and illuminating to try and visualize these things in new ways. In this case, from the viewpoint of a bullet.

[deleted] on 07 Sep 2024 22:13 collapse

.

Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net on 07 Sep 2024 21:22 next collapse

I guess the sun being loud shouldn’t really be all that strange; if I recall correctly the sun has explosions happening on it everywhere all the time, the strange part though is the whole sound lasting for thirteen years part.

leadore@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 21:57 next collapse

If the sun were to go out it would take 8 minutes for the light to stop but 13 years for the sound to stop.

Kind of like when you kill an enderman. 🤔

Etterra@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 2024 23:39 next collapse

On the plus side, if we evolved on Planet Sunblaster then our hearing would have evolved to either dial down the volume or filter it out completely.

CitizenKong@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 10:07 next collapse

I mean we hear the sound of our blood rushing through the veins of our ears at all times, but our brain filters it out. That the “sound of the ocean” you hear when listening into a conch, it just amplifies the bloodwaves. Other fun stuff our brain does: Our eyes are actually perceiving the world upside down and with a blind spot right in the middle.

filcuk@lemmy.zip on 08 Sep 2024 13:20 collapse

The way senses are processed is almost unbelievable.

When your eyesight is partially damaged (by a laser, for example), your brain will fill in the spots, so you won’t even realise there’s a problem until it’s too late (too much damage to cover up).
As the above stated, there’s a blind spot (although I don’t think it’s smack in the middle) - there are tests online you can try to ‘see’ it.
Your sight also automatically enhances objects it thinks are important, and will predict movementsand patterns, e.g. a baseball you’re trying to hit.
There’s also no colour in peripheral vision, although the brain does colour it in.

CitizenKong@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 14:56 collapse

Oh, didn’t know the one with no color in peripheral vision, that’s fun!

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 15:05 collapse

Or perhaps we’d use the reflected soundwaves to navigate with echolocation much like we use reflected light waves to see.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Sep 2024 01:27 next collapse

the sheer scale of the universe makes me want to get into astronomy.

Presently42@lemmy.ca on 08 Sep 2024 02:24 next collapse

Do it! It’s a fantastic science, with ever expanding horizons! That being said, if working in the field is a bit too much, amateur astronomy is a fabulous and friendly hobby - if a bit expensive

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one on 08 Sep 2024 02:37 next collapse

It’s a fantastic science, with ever expanding horizons!

Pun appreciated.

OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca on 08 Sep 2024 13:04 collapse

That’s a stellar joke.

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one on 08 Sep 2024 22:27 collapse

It’s out of this world funny.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Sep 2024 00:24 collapse

it does sound like a fascinating field, but im not sure there’s much in it for me outside of a hobby. I guess i need to look into what the field actually does lol.

DogWater@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 02:28 collapse

Oh boy! YouTube suggestions for you!

  • Astrum
  • PBS space time*
  • scishow space
  • History of the universe******
  • Coolworlds*
  • Arvin Ash
  • Paul Sutter*
  • Startalk
  • Kurzgesagt*

My favs are starred

Entropywins@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 03:23 next collapse

Astrum, history of the universe and PBS spacetimes content is soooo good they absolutely get money from me regularly and I hope they stick around for decades to come!

DogWater@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 10:14 collapse

Yes. HOTU is the best channel I swear. They are so professional and so polished.

[deleted] on 08 Sep 2024 14:49 next collapse

.

BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net on 08 Sep 2024 16:27 next collapse

He’s a wonderful person :)

DogWater@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 22:42 collapse

I guess I have a new one!

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Sep 2024 00:24 collapse

i’ll definitely have to come back and check some of these out sometime.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 15:04 next collapse

imagine … hearing the jackhammer scream of our star

Sounds are a form of energy. If we were bombarded by sound waves for the entire existence of the planet, I assume life would have adapted to harness this abundant power source and made it instrumental to how we survive and thrive.

Daikusa@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 18:07 collapse

instrumental

Heh.

SassyRamen@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 2024 16:22 next collapse

That last bit is a little poetic to say the least.

powerofm@lemmy.ca on 08 Sep 2024 22:51 next collapse

First time I saw the North Lights in person I also expected something other than complete silence. I don’t know what, but they’re so surreal and massive I thought you’d hear something.

neutron@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Sep 2024 19:01 collapse

I expected to hear MF DOOM’s Accordion

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 08 Sep 2024 23:26 next collapse

Probably be a big roar. Like hurricane wind.

addictedtochaos@lemm.ee on 09 Sep 2024 10:44 collapse

so, someone did the math on that?

no vacuum, that means atmosphere. so lets say 1 atmospheric pressure the whole way.

which would be sad, because rain, clouds, ozone layer and countless other atmospheric phenomen would be impossible. so no life on the planet anyway.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_attenuation

how loud is the sun? does anybody know? what is the acoustic pressure on a certain orbit near the sun, iof there is atmosphere?

so, the acoustic presssure needs to reach earth. it needs to travel 13 years.

overcoming this much atmosphere between sun and earth eats energy, since there is a resistance. because there is an atmosphere, see? thats why sound gets softer and softer, the more away you are from the source.

so I guess the whole idea is bullshit.

but i am just a construction worker, maybe someone else will do the math.

i doubt any light rays would make it here. it would be pitch black dark.

the light would be scattered by the atmosphere.

the vaccum does not block sound. it just doesnt transmit it. there is nothing what can block.

same as vacuum does not suck. never. the key is pressure differential, the higher pressure dictates what will happen, not the lower pressure.