hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 14:27
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With respect:
Why is 9/11 associated with Saddam jokes?
Iām old enough to remember both Iraq wars and 9/11 and the associated politics in detail the two subjects are very intertwined in the collective American memory.
But I want to hear specifically why people in 2025 think this.
bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml
on 05 Oct 14:35
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It kicked off another series of stupidity wars that also happened to end up knocking Saddam out of power would be my takeaway
hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 18:05
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The second line of the article really sums it up from my perspective. āPresident George W. Bush was obsessed with the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and deliberately misled the American people about who was responsible for the 9/11 attack.ā
I was curious how the nebulous connection between Iraq and Afghanistan was perceived by those who werenāt as aware of the older Bushās history in the area. In the hours following 9/11, a common question among my peers was āHow will this be twisted into us going into Iraq?ā
My sister & godmother worked across the street and my partnerās dad was one of the narrow misses because he sent a colleague to the Towers that day in his stead. That whole mess probably started my slow descent into radicalisation, now that I think about it. I watched people around there with no connection to the event directly react around me while we couldnāt get ahold of my sister for a few days. It was very surreal.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de
on 05 Oct 12:36
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I love how absolutely nothing in these āstraight poseā diagrams is ever straight.
I just sleep on the floor rolled up in a giant blanket like a caterpillar in a cocoon. I have no idea why, but it works for me. Mattresses always hurt my back.
fossilesque@mander.xyz
on 05 Oct 12:47
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Yes, but you sleep best in a confortable and not forced position. Back/neck pain is the result of an forced position which not change in the hours of sleep. There isnāt any pain when you are confortable in a not too old and good mattress
idiomaddict@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 13:40
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I just sleep like Iām a freeze frame of the party boy dance on my face
BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net
on 05 Oct 13:40
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This is why hammocks are the ideal sleep system, even if they may not turn you purple or solve the arm problem.
Could you explain what you mean by laying at an angle? Like diagonal to the corners of the sheet?
And weāre talking about laying on oneās back in the hammock?
BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net
on 06 Oct 16:05
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Yeah, you lay on your back at roughly 45 degrees off the main axis of the hammock. Throw in a pillow and a blanket and youāve got a pretty good setup. It took me a couple weeks to train myself to sleep on my back without rolling around but after that I got used to it. I still have a camping hammock that I use on occasion but for whatever reason I usually end up sleeping on my stomach.
Hackworth@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Oct 13:44
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Thatās not whatās meant by āears over shoulders,ā rather theyāre over when standing. So in-line with shoulders when laying down, not whatās pictured here. But whether or not you want the neck in flexion depends on whether or not thereās been an injury. The kinetic chain isnāt simple.
But also avoid lying on your back if you snore and youāll die early if you sleep on your stomach and if you donāt change positions several times a night, there might be something wrong or maybe itās just your mattress that is too soft or too hard and btw if you ever even catch a glimpse of blue light, you will never ever sleep well at all anyway so thereās no point in anything in any case.
It legitimately took me a full year to get used to it. I still have a panic attack every once in a while when putting it on and have to walk around for a few minutes before bed. Anyone can get used to it if you need to.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 16:59
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If you snore badly enough, youāre not sleeping. You just close your eyes and effectively hold your breath between gasps of air.
I wasnāt breathing for 40 seconds every minute. 10+ hours of sleep and woke up dead tired.
With the CPAP I get 5-6 hours and wake up fully rested. Worth the pain of figuring out which mask didnāt make me feel like choking (it was the nasal one)
A lot of people can get used to it. I actually canāt sleep without it now, and I use the full face model. Itās almost comforting now. That said, some people truly cannot get used to a full face mask. If itās an option, they do make nasal masks (only covers your nose) and nasal pillows (kind of just rests under your nose.)
Iāve heard there are even more cutting edge options out there but I never looked into them since Iām fine with what I have, but itās definitely worth doing some research about. Quality sleep really can be life changing if itās achievable.
I would put on my mask a hour before I would even try to sleep just to get use to it. It took me abot 6 months to really get use to it. Now I gave a hard time sleeping without it on.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 19:44
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Took me a full year, and I still get panic attacks sometimes when I put it on, but honestly you can do it if you need to. Go see a sleep doc. I was terrified, but I discovered after I got the thing how tired I really was (and I already thought I was pretty tired!)
Yeah, when I started working 3rd shift, people suggested I get an eye mask to help my sleep in daylight. Took me forever to fall asleep, then I would wake in a panic about 5 minutes later because there was āsomething crawling on my faceāā¦
Room darkening curtains and double shift exhaustion solved my sleep issues, lol. I also learned about biphasic sleep, and Iām a lot more productive.
The best defense against an achy neck or back in the morning is to sleep just like you stand, says Ellen Wermter, a nurse practitioner who runs Restorative Sleep Medicine, a sleep clinic in Virginia. When you sleep in a position that follows the natural curvature of your spine, it reduces the possibility of muscle strain.
While lying down, your body should form a straight line from the top of your head to your tailbone. Wermter suggests placing your ears over your shoulders and your shoulders over your hips. Point your chin straight ahead, not tucked into your chest or stretched up toward the sky. Aim for symmetry with your arms for proper circulation.
For more tips on how to minimize body aches in the morning, read our story: n.pr/42mJ64J
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz
on 05 Oct 16:51
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How can people sleep on their back without suffocating when they wake up ?
harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 05 Oct 17:21
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I like to cross my arms across my chest, as well. If itās good enough for vampires and pharaohs, itās good enough for me. I have scared the shit out of several roommates, thoughā¦i
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Oct 17:22
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You and me both; the advice that worked ok for me is a pillow between the legs and proper placement under the head that keeps everything level.
They also suggested we get the softer mattresses, since we want a little extra dip for the shoulders and hips. That advice is a mixed bag, though, as I still get shoulder pain. Might be the cheap foam, though.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Oct 00:45
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I got very lucky and found the perfect mattress for this, it has a softer exterior layer (about 5-6cm of cheapo smartphoam) and something tougher at its core, perfect balance between smushy enough to accommodate an elbow, firm enough to keep things tidy. No-name mattress from an Ikea knock-off, it was a steal.
Struggling with pillows, thoughā¦ Still havenāt managed to find something which works for meā¦ Plenty of blankets to wrangle with my legs, so thereās that, at least.
Same, if I lay straight on my back for just a minute my bladder will start to nag me to go to toilet and it doesnāt matter that Iāve just peed a couple of times in the last half an hourā¦
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Oct 13:30
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Every single time, yes! Every single damned time when I lay on my back, I have to get up and pee within 5 minutes topsā¦ No small bladder, no UT issues, nothināā¦
Doing meditation or other relaxing exercise on my back is usually not so relaxing because of it :/
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Oct 10:41
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Hmm, I wonder if it has something to do with muscle tension, maybe?:-? Your mentioning of relaxation clicked, maybe when we lay on our backs, our bladders/various sphincters relax and release?:-?
I, for one, can say for certain I am tensed up for pretty much the duration of my episodes of consciousnessā¦
Hm yes, Iām a very anxious person myself so that makes sense.
My theory for why I have to pee so often (not only lying down) is also that it was a strategy for me to cope with a very controlling household growing up where my needs were frequently dismissed or ignored.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Oct 12:35
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Oh, that makes a lotta sense! Sorry to hear about your familial context, though:(
Had a rough upbringing as well, anxiety and I are old friends by this point, but I developed the opposite - I pushed toward resilience, toward holding it in for as long as possible, precisely because I understood I couldnāt count on anyone around me.
crystaline_porpoise@hexbear.net
on 05 Oct 17:27
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place your ears over your shoulders and your shoulders over your hips
so have human anatomy, ok got it check
falseWhite@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 19:15
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Meanwhile me on my couch š¤
meanwhile me standing: š¦
Is this Saddam Hussein
Yeah OP missed a perfect opportunity
Itās not 9/11.
With respect:
Why is 9/11 associated with Saddam jokes?
Iām old enough to remember both Iraq wars and 9/11 and the associated politics in detail the two subjects are very intertwined in the collective American memory.
But I want to hear specifically why people in 2025 think this.
It kicked off another series of stupidity wars that also happened to end up knocking Saddam out of power would be my takeaway
brookings.edu/ā¦/9-11-and-iraq-the-making-of-a-traā¦
The second line of the article really sums it up from my perspective. āPresident George W. Bush was obsessed with the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and deliberately misled the American people about who was responsible for the 9/11 attack.ā
I was curious how the nebulous connection between Iraq and Afghanistan was perceived by those who werenāt as aware of the older Bushās history in the area. In the hours following 9/11, a common question among my peers was āHow will this be twisted into us going into Iraq?ā
My sister & godmother worked across the street and my partnerās dad was one of the narrow misses because he sent a colleague to the Towers that day in his stead. That whole mess probably started my slow descent into radicalisation, now that I think about it. I watched people around there with no connection to the event directly react around me while we couldnāt get ahold of my sister for a few days. It was very surreal.
I love how absolutely nothing in these āstraight poseā diagrams is ever straight.
Gay pose diagram.
Having something under my lower back sounds awful. Head and knees, yes, but back?
Maybe if it was a small enough pillow? That picture looks exaggerated. Their ears certainly arenāt what I would call over their shoulders.
I used for a bit a tiny pillow under my lower back to ease back pain. It has to be the right size, otherwise it makes it worse
That looks deeply uncomfortable, but alright.
I just sleep on the floor rolled up in a giant blanket like a caterpillar in a cocoon. I have no idea why, but it works for me. Mattresses always hurt my back.
Itās a thing if you have back problems.
I honestly did not know this. I alternate between horrible hip and shoulder pain, until I go back to the cocoon.
Go see someone for your back if you can. You donāt want to put that off. Trust me lol.
I remember asking my dad to cocoon me in blankets as a kid. It was wicked comfy.
Nowadays Iām in a hammock. Itās way more comfy on my hips than a mattress and it gives me that happy cuddled feeling.
Never thought of a hammock. Iāll put that in my back pocket for when I have more space.
That hammock sounds definitive ācocoonā.
You gonna wake up with wings one day?
We should get to for what we have to deal with just sleeping comfortably.
Why do we never play nightcrawlers anymore?
This is too hot. Pillow too hot and now you have three pillows and two of them are under the covers.
Sounds miserable
Bringing my terrible standing posture into sleeping positions sounds brilliant.
Yes, but you sleep best in a confortable and not forced position. Back/neck pain is the result of an forced position which not change in the hours of sleep. There isnāt any pain when you are confortable in a not too old and good mattress
I just sleep like Iām a freeze frame of the party boy dance on my face
This is why hammocks are the ideal sleep system, even if they may not turn you purple or solve the arm problem.
Doesnāt that put your back into a curve? I feel like that would kill my lower back, but maybe I donāt know how to use a hammock properly.
Itās a common misconception! Youāre supposed to lay at an angle and you end up with just a slight bend.
Could you explain what you mean by laying at an angle? Like diagonal to the corners of the sheet?
And weāre talking about laying on oneās back in the hammock?
Yeah, you lay on your back at roughly 45 degrees off the main axis of the hammock. Throw in a pillow and a blanket and youāve got a pretty good setup. It took me a couple weeks to train myself to sleep on my back without rolling around but after that I got used to it. I still have a camping hammock that I use on occasion but for whatever reason I usually end up sleeping on my stomach.
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Thatās not whatās meant by āears over shoulders,ā rather theyāre over when standing. So in-line with shoulders when laying down, not whatās pictured here. But whether or not you want the neck in flexion depends on whether or not thereās been an injury. The kinetic chain isnāt simple.
But also avoid lying on your back if you snore and youāll die early if you sleep on your stomach and if you donāt change positions several times a night, there might be something wrong or maybe itās just your mattress that is too soft or too hard and btw if you ever even catch a glimpse of blue light, you will never ever sleep well at all anyway so thereās no point in anything in any case.
I legit cannot sleep on my back these days because I will wake myself snoring.
Same. That others can absolutely baffles me.
CPAP.
You need a CPAP.
It turns out I also cannot sleep with things strapped to my face.
If Iād ever need one of those, Iād be screwed because I too canāt sleep with anything on my face
It legitimately took me a full year to get used to it. I still have a panic attack every once in a while when putting it on and have to walk around for a few minutes before bed. Anyone can get used to it if you need to.
If you snore badly enough, youāre not sleeping. You just close your eyes and effectively hold your breath between gasps of air.
I wasnāt breathing for 40 seconds every minute. 10+ hours of sleep and woke up dead tired.
With the CPAP I get 5-6 hours and wake up fully rested. Worth the pain of figuring out which mask didnāt make me feel like choking (it was the nasal one)
A lot of people can get used to it. I actually canāt sleep without it now, and I use the full face model. Itās almost comforting now. That said, some people truly cannot get used to a full face mask. If itās an option, they do make nasal masks (only covers your nose) and nasal pillows (kind of just rests under your nose.)
Iāve heard there are even more cutting edge options out there but I never looked into them since Iām fine with what I have, but itās definitely worth doing some research about. Quality sleep really can be life changing if itās achievable.
I would put on my mask a hour before I would even try to sleep just to get use to it. It took me abot 6 months to really get use to it. Now I gave a hard time sleeping without it on.
Took me a full year, and I still get panic attacks sometimes when I put it on, but honestly you can do it if you need to. Go see a sleep doc. I was terrified, but I discovered after I got the thing how tired I really was (and I already thought I was pretty tired!)
Yeah, when I started working 3rd shift, people suggested I get an eye mask to help my sleep in daylight. Took me forever to fall asleep, then I would wake in a panic about 5 minutes later because there was āsomething crawling on my faceāā¦
Room darkening curtains and double shift exhaustion solved my sleep issues, lol. I also learned about biphasic sleep, and Iām a lot more productive.
Yes itās all very serious. Also our ancestors never slept since they didnāt have high-tech mattresses.
āstraight lineā the acticle says as its graphic shows a line as straight as Jim Parsons
ITT everyone ridiculing what has always been the exact truth for my sleeping.
image text:
How can people sleep on their back without suffocating when they wake up ?
Why would you suffocate? Do you have untreated severe sleep apnea?
Idk, I just wake up, canāt move (somehow I donāt have the āstrengthā to do so) and can barely breath
I just assumed it was this way for everyone
Everythingās fine if I sleep on my side
It is not this way for everyone. Iām not a doctor but it sounds like you have sleep paralysis.
Maybe ?
I feel 100% awake and donāt have hallucinations.
I donāt think hallucinations happen for everyone with sleep paralysis
Yeah thatās not normal lol
I like to cross my arms across my chest, as well. If itās good enough for vampires and pharaohs, itās good enough for me. I have scared the shit out of several roommates, thoughā¦i
Iām a side sleeper. Guess Iām doomed.
You and me both; the advice that worked ok for me is a pillow between the legs and proper placement under the head that keeps everything level.
They also suggested we get the softer mattresses, since we want a little extra dip for the shoulders and hips. That advice is a mixed bag, though, as I still get shoulder pain. Might be the cheap foam, though.
I got very lucky and found the perfect mattress for this, it has a softer exterior layer (about 5-6cm of cheapo smartphoam) and something tougher at its core, perfect balance between smushy enough to accommodate an elbow, firm enough to keep things tidy. No-name mattress from an Ikea knock-off, it was a steal.
Struggling with pillows, thoughā¦ Still havenāt managed to find something which works for meā¦ Plenty of blankets to wrangle with my legs, so thereās that, at least.
Same, if I lay straight on my back for just a minute my bladder will start to nag me to go to toilet and it doesnāt matter that Iāve just peed a couple of times in the last half an hourā¦
Every single time, yes! Every single damned time when I lay on my back, I have to get up and pee within 5 minutes topsā¦ No small bladder, no UT issues, nothināā¦
Doing meditation or other relaxing exercise on my back is usually not so relaxing because of it :/
Hmm, I wonder if it has something to do with muscle tension, maybe?:-? Your mentioning of relaxation clicked, maybe when we lay on our backs, our bladders/various sphincters relax and release?:-?
I, for one, can say for certain I am tensed up for pretty much the duration of my episodes of consciousnessā¦
Hm yes, Iām a very anxious person myself so that makes sense.
My theory for why I have to pee so often (not only lying down) is also that it was a strategy for me to cope with a very controlling household growing up where my needs were frequently dismissed or ignored.
Oh, that makes a lotta sense! Sorry to hear about your familial context, though:(
Had a rough upbringing as well, anxiety and I are old friends by this point, but I developed the opposite - I pushed toward resilience, toward holding it in for as long as possible, precisely because I understood I couldnāt count on anyone around me.
so have human anatomy, ok got it check
I like to sleep on hard floors, like an animal.
My favorite part of these comments are the number of people coming to the realization they may have sleep apnea, lol
Saddam Hussain?