By the time RFK jr. is done, the vegetables will have a warning label for Haber–Bosch nitrogen and MAGA will insist their food be grown on untreated human feces.
I mean, we should have an image of the Germans who applied it to milk, pretty sure Pasteur did it for the booze and some other dudes were like “hey bro we did that same technique on milk and now way less
babies die.”
Make room Robin Williams, I have another hero for the top spot on my hero list.
BangelaQuirkel@lemmy.world
on 30 Nov 21:13
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My man
abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world
on 30 Nov 22:48
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I’ve heard this! Apparently, he was researching why beer was spoiling, and he had done no research on milk whatsoever.
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com
on 30 Nov 23:29
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Thank you for this! At least according to the Wikipedia article you’re right, and Pasteur invented the technique for wine. Beer came soon after, by others, but it was a long time until it was used on milk.
This fun fact made me literally lol. Llol, if you will.
NounsAndWords@lemmy.world
on 30 Nov 21:53
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I think the best redirect would be to convince them to “self-pasteurize” their milk. You can make an entire ecosystem of grift products on the best home pasteurizers to avoid harmful toxins or whatever the current buzzword is.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world
on 30 Nov 22:47
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no man, you gotta just let evolution take its course.
Can’t wait to hear some idiot say something like “I never get sick from raw milk. I just put the container in boiling water for a few seconds. So much safer than pasteurized.”
qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
on 01 Dec 00:27
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“It’s not that I’m against vaccines, it’s just that I want my body’s own antibodies to fight off the virus.”
mudmaniac@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 03:02
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Time for killer T cell completion: 10 days.
Time for virus to turn your lungs into mush: 4 days.
“Sure thing there buddy! Good luck! Mind if I borrow your lawn mower? I’ll get it back to you next time I see you!”
I damn near throttled someone who said that to me. They said the COVID vaccine was too risky, and they’d rather get a real immunity from actually getting it.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Dec 21:31
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They thought the COVID vaccine was more risky than actually catching COVID?
If they used this as their argument I’d be kinder to them, it means they want what a vaccine can give, so it’s just about MISSING information, not MISSinformation.
Sadly not the case. “The vaccine is untested, as any immunity that a vaccine gives you will be weaker than what you get from natural immunity. Your immune system will never get stronger unless you let it work. I’m gonna get COVID eventually no matter what, so I may as well get the good immunity without risking the side effects of the vaccine. It’s just a cold anyway, so I’m not risking much”.
That whole corner of the family is very ignorant and susceptible to misinformation. I’m just some guy who can explain things and show them CDC or WHO sources, which are unreliable and suspect. I don’t have the gravitas of a very confident tiktok creator or a podcaster.
I’m also a little salty at them because they were all excited to see my new twins until I asked if they could be up to date on their vaccinations since they were in the NICU (premature, all good now). Variously “my family will not get the COVID shot”, “the flu shot will give me the flu”, and “I shouldn’t need to get a Tdap booster, I’m tired of needles”.
Ok, do still some misinformation about side effects.
Sorry you had to go through that. Stay strong and keep advocating for the safety of your kids.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Nov 23:16
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Counterpoint: this would prevent people who can be convinced to drink raw milk from getting listeria
ricecake@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Dec 04:56
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But you could also use it to separate them from their money, which is an even greater good.
Also, it potentially keeps the people in their care who have no agency from getting listeria, which is up there with lining your pockets via virtuous con artistry in terms of moral virtue.
You incorrectly assume the grift products have to actually do anything. Just give them a few lights and a little fan at the back which spins for a few minutes to make it sound like it’s doing anything.
Can be super cheap to make, it doesn’t even need a heating element!
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 20:43
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I believe with all my heart this will happen lol.
Any problem or process that can be moved to the consumer
perishthethought@lemm.ee
on 30 Nov 23:06
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Yeah, we’ve got those who promise themselves health benefits from drinking raw milk. I have the impression that this is mostly prevalent in esoteric people, as usual with such stuff.
But such beneficial claims of raw milk consumption appear to be not scientifically sound and are a myth. doi.org/10.1097/NT.0000000000000108
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Dec 21:26
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esoteric people
Believe it or not, they have dictionaries online now.
Hm okay. English is not my native language. I’ve checked this with a dictionary and found it to be an adequate description, even discussed this with ChatGPT. It pointed out that this can also be understood in the way you’ve described it.
What I meant were people who practise in esotericism, like briefly described here. Besides “stupid”, what do you suggest to describe such people?
Also, thanks for pointing that out!
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Dec 17:18
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Seeing the other post about France: It depends on the country. In Germany you can’t (only direct at the farm). Saw a documentary some weeks ago about Spain where they said that it is also forbidden (the journalist wanted to drink raw camel milk).
I’m lactose intolerant but I use a little bit of lactose-free, 0% fat milk for my coffee in the morning because the alternatives (almond or oat milk) just don’t taste as good with coffee.
stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de
on 01 Dec 17:09
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Just drink it black. After two cups you get used to it.
Hmm, put that way, most definitely the milkshake. I’m not sure I even like coffee, it provides a break at work and energy in the morning, with enough milkshake ingredients of course.
bananabenana@lemmy.world
on 01 Dec 17:54
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It’s really brand dependant. Honestly recommend trying brands till you find a good couple. Some oat and almond are smooth AF. I like Vitasoy and So Good, for example. Not a shill, just took brute forcing brands.
Half & half in coffee. We go very unprocessed and cook in my household. So I buy half and half which is just milk and cream. It’s delicious in coffee. It’s also ultra pasteurized. A little heat in the name of microbe death is great.
Apart from that, milk is a cooking ingredient. Again, ultra pasteurized.
Raw milk is silly…but also, now are the banned cheeses unbanned? Probably not cazu whatever the fuck, the Sardinian maggot cheese but there’s stuff like brie, but raw, that’s apparently yummy.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Dec 14:13
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So you know the “is this toothbrush approved by the dental association of America” line from Home Alone (approximate transcription)
my new joke is asking “is this milk pasteurized?” in that voice
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com
on 01 Dec 20:50
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Then Charles Dickens kicks Darwin in the balls.
RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Dec 22:54
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It was the bloodiest battle that the world ever saw
With civilians looking on in total awe
The fight raged on for a century
Many lives were claimed but eventually
The champion stood, the rest saw their better
Mr. Rogers in a blood-stained sweater
Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Dec 19:08
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this is the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny
good guys, bad guys, and explosions as far as the eye can see
and only one will survive, I wonder who it will be
this is the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny
Why it doesn’t matter so much for those of us not working directly with cows is pasteurization. In my household, we’ve since switched to ultra pasteurized in the cases we’ve not been doing that already, just to play safest.
The more humans that catch H5N1, the more likely it is to take and make a vector out of humans.
To be fair, it is often good to avoid processing your food. However this does not include the cleaning aspect of that food. Would you suddenly stop washing your fruits and vegetables? Flashing a little heat on the milk for safety is fine. It doesn’t create the milk equivalent of beef jerky or a ritz cracker. If you’ve ever spent any time in a milking barn, among cows, or seen the milking process you might not even drink milk after. You’ll want bacteria and virus death in your milk.
But wait, Zeph, surely this process is only effective for bacteria, we’ve always been taught that the same means of death for bacteria don’t typically work on viruses. (Antibiotics). Pasteurization is it’s own thing.
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By the time RFK jr. is done, the vegetables will have a warning label for Haber–Bosch nitrogen and MAGA will insist their food be grown on untreated human feces.
It is already a well established fact that plants crave electrolytes.
Yeah, but what are electrolytes?
they’re what plants crave
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2b90ad9d-f980-4365-8aad-5e20068f188c.jpeg">
But what is Brawndo?
It’s got electrolytes!
But why? Do you even know what electrolytes are?
It’s… what they use to make Brawndo!
Dumbass
Maybe then, shitposting will finally become profitable.
I mean, we should have an image of the Germans who applied it to milk, pretty sure Pasteur did it for the booze and some other dudes were like “hey bro we did that same technique on milk and now way less babies die.”
Make room Robin Williams, I have another hero for the top spot on my hero list.
My man
I’ve heard this! Apparently, he was researching why beer was spoiling, and he had done no research on milk whatsoever.
Thank you for this! At least according to the Wikipedia article you’re right, and Pasteur invented the technique for wine. Beer came soon after, by others, but it was a long time until it was used on milk.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization
This fun fact made me literally lol. Llol, if you will.
I think the best redirect would be to convince them to “self-pasteurize” their milk. You can make an entire ecosystem of grift products on the best home pasteurizers to avoid harmful toxins or whatever the current buzzword is.
no man, you gotta just let evolution take its course.
Can’t wait to hear some idiot say something like “I never get sick from raw milk. I just put the container in boiling water for a few seconds. So much safer than pasteurized.”
“It’s not that I’m against vaccines, it’s just that I want my body’s own antibodies to fight off the virus.”
Time for killer T cell completion: 10 days. Time for virus to turn your lungs into mush: 4 days.
“Sure thing there buddy! Good luck! Mind if I borrow your lawn mower? I’ll get it back to you next time I see you!”
I damn near throttled someone who said that to me. They said the COVID vaccine was too risky, and they’d rather get a real immunity from actually getting it.
They thought the COVID vaccine was more risky than actually catching COVID?
Yes. And less effective at giving immunity.
If they used this as their argument I’d be kinder to them, it means they want what a vaccine can give, so it’s just about MISSING information, not MISSinformation.
Sadly not the case. “The vaccine is untested, as any immunity that a vaccine gives you will be weaker than what you get from natural immunity. Your immune system will never get stronger unless you let it work. I’m gonna get COVID eventually no matter what, so I may as well get the good immunity without risking the side effects of the vaccine. It’s just a cold anyway, so I’m not risking much”.
That whole corner of the family is very ignorant and susceptible to misinformation. I’m just some guy who can explain things and show them CDC or WHO sources, which are unreliable and suspect. I don’t have the gravitas of a very confident tiktok creator or a podcaster.
I’m also a little salty at them because they were all excited to see my new twins until I asked if they could be up to date on their vaccinations since they were in the NICU (premature, all good now). Variously “my family will not get the COVID shot”, “the flu shot will give me the flu”, and “I shouldn’t need to get a Tdap booster, I’m tired of needles”.
Ok, do still some misinformation about side effects.
Sorry you had to go through that. Stay strong and keep advocating for the safety of your kids.
Counterpoint: this would prevent people who can be convinced to drink raw milk from getting listeria
But you could also use it to separate them from their money, which is an even greater good.
Also, it potentially keeps the people in their care who have no agency from getting listeria, which is up there with lining your pockets via virtuous con artistry in terms of moral virtue.
You incorrectly assume the grift products have to actually do anything. Just give them a few lights and a little fan at the back which spins for a few minutes to make it sound like it’s doing anything. Can be super cheap to make, it doesn’t even need a heating element!
I believe with all my heart this will happen lol.
Any problem or process that can be moved to the consumer
More like
<img alt="" src="https://imgk.timesnownews.com/story/Disappointed_Pak_fan2.PNG">
<img alt="" src="https://thelemmy.club/pictrs/image/b9e97680-4741-4cc2-b7bb-1f9ef888091f.gif">
Edward Jenner floating right next to him going “looks like it’s going to get more crowded in the afterlife.”
Who in this day and age wouldn’t drink pasteurised milk?
Besides like, properly stupid people, or people who think it’ll give them religious powers and other such nutters.
So, RFK?
europeans
properly stupid people
Yeah, we’ve got those who promise themselves health benefits from drinking raw milk. I have the impression that this is mostly prevalent in esoteric people, as usual with such stuff.
But such beneficial claims of raw milk consumption appear to be not scientifically sound and are a myth.
doi.org/10.1097/NT.0000000000000108
Believe it or not, they have dictionaries online now.
Isn’t “esoteric people” an accurate description?
Eh. It would imply those people are mysterious or difficult to understand. They’re not, they’re just stupid.
Hm okay. English is not my native language. I’ve checked this with a dictionary and found it to be an adequate description, even discussed this with ChatGPT. It pointed out that this can also be understood in the way you’ve described it.
What I meant were people who practise in esotericism, like briefly described here. Besides “stupid”, what do you suggest to describe such people?
Also, thanks for pointing that out!
This study is 20 years old.
foodsafetynews.com/…/raw-milk-cheese-sickens-six-…
Those who take horse medication to fire COVID… probably
This is likely more in the crunchy, no measles vax set of dipshits, not MAGA.
i’d bet the Venn diagram of both groups would overlap in more than 90%
dad, no!
“Yes, son! I can’t fulfill my destiny as Mooman any other way…”
The Meatcanyon videos will be glorious.
I’ve seen Europeans make the fact that Americans don’t generally drink unpasteurized milk into a “yanks dumb” thing
You can buy unpasteurized milk in europe in a supermarket ?
yes, filtered but not pasteurized (France)
Seeing the other post about France: It depends on the country. In Germany you can’t (only direct at the farm). Saw a documentary some weeks ago about Spain where they said that it is also forbidden (the journalist wanted to drink raw camel milk).
Just re-checked: In theory you can buy raw milk in Germany in a supermarket. It is called “Vorzugsmilch” then. But I never saw any.
Who drinks milk at all? I get a giant zit immediately after having some.
I’m lactose intolerant but I use a little bit of lactose-free, 0% fat milk for my coffee in the morning because the alternatives (almond or oat milk) just don’t taste as good with coffee.
Just drink it black. After two cups you get used to it.
Yuck, why bother?
Fair point but when you drink it black you don’t need to bother with the overly processed milk anymore
Hey look some who thinks pasteurized milk is “overly processed”!
“lactose free 0% fat milk”
Then you just have the overly-processed coffee.
And? Adding overly-processed milk to overly-processed coffee cancels out the processing or something? Don’t drink it then.
It depends if you like coffee, or coffee flavored milkshakes.
Hmm, put that way, most definitely the milkshake. I’m not sure I even like coffee, it provides a break at work and energy in the morning, with enough milkshake ingredients of course.
It’s really brand dependant. Honestly recommend trying brands till you find a good couple. Some oat and almond are smooth AF. I like Vitasoy and So Good, for example. Not a shill, just took brute forcing brands.
If it’s ultra pasteurized you should be fine, but as in all things, do your own personal threat analysis.
Half & half in coffee. We go very unprocessed and cook in my household. So I buy half and half which is just milk and cream. It’s delicious in coffee. It’s also ultra pasteurized. A little heat in the name of microbe death is great.
Apart from that, milk is a cooking ingredient. Again, ultra pasteurized.
Growing up I used to down pints of milk, couldn’t get enough of the stuff
Raw milk is silly…but also, now are the banned cheeses unbanned? Probably not cazu whatever the fuck, the Sardinian maggot cheese but there’s stuff like brie, but raw, that’s apparently yummy.
Someone commented on Lemmy a whole ago that cheese with raw milk is different. Coles notes is the good bacteria out-competes the bad ones.
The word you’re looking for is dipshits.
So you know the “is this toothbrush approved by the dental association of America” line from Home Alone (approximate transcription)
my new joke is asking “is this milk pasteurized?” in that voice
Over here, we ask if the toothbrush is approved by Lemming of the BDA
Dear gen Z, raw dog means to fuck without a condom
Yes, they fuck their milk.
Fuck 'em right in the ass.
The sentiment still applies.
The term has also been further bleached to just mean doing something raw, rough, hard.
Dear boomer, words evolve.
Cringe.
exactly
and they’re about to find out what that means.
Tuberculosis bacteria:
<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/07fb1db6-f128-43bd-bb08-355af4516160.jpeg">
Wait you can get TB from raw milk?!
Among other things. TB was one of the main reasons we started pasteurizing milk in the first place.
Meanwhile Charles Darwin looks on approvingly…
Then Charles Dickens kicks Darwin in the balls.
this is the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny
good guys, bad guys, and explosions as far as the eye can see
and only one will survive, I wonder who it will be
this is the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny
youtu.be/sTpW81xguME?si=kwKVar1Un7KtN4Op
I don’t think it’s fair to attribute the bigoted dumpster fire of Social Darwinism to Darwin himself.
Raw milk is a disease vector for H5N1 right now, and as been for most of the year.
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2405371. (Location for the sick worker in the article: Texas)
Why it doesn’t matter so much for those of us not working directly with cows is pasteurization. In my household, we’ve since switched to ultra pasteurized in the cases we’ve not been doing that already, just to play safest.
The more humans that catch H5N1, the more likely it is to take and make a vector out of humans.
To be fair, it is often good to avoid processing your food. However this does not include the cleaning aspect of that food. Would you suddenly stop washing your fruits and vegetables? Flashing a little heat on the milk for safety is fine. It doesn’t create the milk equivalent of beef jerky or a ritz cracker. If you’ve ever spent any time in a milking barn, among cows, or seen the milking process you might not even drink milk after. You’ll want bacteria and virus death in your milk.
But wait, Zeph, surely this process is only effective for bacteria, we’ve always been taught that the same means of death for bacteria don’t typically work on viruses. (Antibiotics). Pasteurization is it’s own thing.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7169671/
TF is “ultra-pasteurized”?
It was invented by Nigel Tufnel.
Darwin approves.