[controversial] nature be freaky like that
from fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz on 19 Jan 16:59
https://mander.xyz/post/23690126

Controversy

Memory transfer was a biological process proposed by James V. McConnell and others in the 1960s. Memory transfer proposes a chemical basis for memory termed memory RNA which can be passed down through flesh instead of an intact nervous system. Since RNA encodes information[1] living cells produce and modify RNA in reaction to external events, it might also be used in neurons to record stimuli.[2][3][4] This explained the results of McConnell’s experiments in which planarians retained memory of acquired information after regeneration. Memory transfer through memory RNA is not currently a well-accepted explanation and McConnell’s experiments proved to be largely irreproducible.[5]

In McConnell’s experiments, he classically conditioned planarians to contract their bodies upon exposure to light by pairing it with an electric shock.[6][5] The planarians retained this acquired information after being sliced and regenerated, even after multiple slicings to produce a planarian where none of the original trained planarian was present.[5] The same held true after the planarians were ground up and fed to untrained cannibalistic planarians, usually Dugesia dorotocephala.[5][7] As the nervous system was fragmented but the nucleic acids were not, this seemed to indicate the existence of memory RNA[5] but it was later suggested that only sensitization was transferred,[6] or that no transfer occurred and the effect was due to stress hormones in the donor or pheromone trails left on dirty lab glass.[2] However, other experiments seem to support the original findings in that some memories may be stored outside the brain.[1][8][9]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_transfer

Current Science

…biologists.com/…/An-automated-training-paradigm-…

Planarian flatworms are a popular system for research into the molecular mechanisms that enable these complex organisms to regenerate their entire body, including the brain. Classical data suggest that they may also be capable of long-term memory. Thus, the planarian system may offer the unique opportunity to study brain regeneration and memory in the same animal. To establish a system for the investigation of the dynamics of memory in a regenerating brain, we developed a computerized training and testing paradigm that avoided the many issues that confounded previous, manual attempts to train planarians. We then used this new system to train flatworms in an environmental familiarization protocol. We show that worms exhibit environmental familiarization, and that this memory persists for at least 14 days – long enough for the brain to regenerate. We further show that trained, decapitated planarians exhibit evidence of memory retrieval in a savings paradigm after regenerating a new head. Our work establishes a foundation for objective, high-throughput assays in this molecularly tractable model system that will shed light on the fundamental interface between body patterning and stored memories. We propose planarians as key emerging model species for mechanistic investigations of the encoding of specific memories in biological tissues. Moreover, this system is lik ely to have important implications for the biomedicine of stem-cell-derived treatments of degenerative brain disorders in human adults.

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cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de on 19 Jan 17:09 next collapse

Is that real this chemical memory?

mozzribo@leminal.space on 19 Jan 17:15 next collapse

Of course not. Why do you rely on others to tell you this, though? You could have looked it up.

AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net on 19 Jan 17:26 collapse

Because asking someone who appears knowledgeable is a thousand times faster than sifting through the shit you have to filter every time you ‘look something up’ in today’s world

keepcarrot@hexbear.net on 19 Jan 22:24 collapse

Or ever, most people retain info better having positive social engagement with someone interested in the topic than going to sci-hub (or at least being told to do their own research and then not doing it, which is likely the case).

Truly a mystery why people prefer socialising over homework

Peppycito@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 17:15 next collapse

McConnell’s experiments proved to be largely irreproducible.

Apparently not so much.

fossilesque@mander.xyz on 19 Jan 17:20 next collapse

Got a link for a debunked tag?

FantasmaNaCasca@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 17:29 collapse

“(…)However, other experiments seem to support the original findings in that some memories may be stored outside the brain.[1][8][9]”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_transfer

Qwazpoi@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 22:11 collapse

The memory is stored in the balls?

fossilesque@mander.xyz on 19 Jan 17:25 next collapse

I added some more context to the body. :)

Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 18:34 collapse

Apparently, if that context in the body is eaten, it will be remembered by the head

[deleted] on 19 Jan 19:07 collapse

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A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 17:09 next collapse

I remember reading that caterpillars can retain information like this when they metamorphose, during which they basically dissolve into a biological slush before becoming butterflies.

zqwzzle@lemmy.ca on 19 Jan 17:25 collapse

A lot of the structures are already there and the common conception of turning completely into goo and then reassembling isn’t correct.

kamenlady@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 18:31 next collapse

It couldn’t be just something easy, like turning into goo and back to solid again. No, it has to be something that makes the body horror in The Thing look like nothing but a scratch.

Scubus@sh.itjust.works on 20 Jan 03:31 collapse

It’s mostly correct. The only remaining structures are the imaginal discs, which can each be as few as 50 cells. There is also a link to some awesome pictures in there.

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 17:11 next collapse

Is this how Assassin’s Creed works

zqwzzle@lemmy.ca on 19 Jan 17:16 next collapse

We are all leeches in gods blender

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 19 Jan 18:37 next collapse

I totally have memories of my ancestors being absolute badasses and influencing nearly all of human history. Put me in the machine and I’ll show you the way to the ark of the covenant so you can foolishly open it and melt your face.

smeg@feddit.uk on 20 Jan 13:00 collapse

Weirdly it’s exactly how 40k Space Marines work!

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Jan 13:34 collapse

Goddamn that’s so cool. Every single thing I read about Warhammer 40k makes me think that I would absolutely love this shit. It’s just so… daunting. I wouldn’t even know where to start in order to understand the lore.

I have to resist the urge to jump down a rabbit hole after reading this:

The Omophagea, also called the Remembrancer, is the 8th of the 19 genetically-engineered gene-seed organs that are implanted into a Space Marine Neophyte to produce a new superhuman Astartes.

Now I want to know what the other 18 are…

It allows the Astartes to gain part of an individual person’s or creature’s memory by eating its flesh.

Metal af

Droechai@lemm.ee on 20 Jan 13:47 next collapse

For the universe start with the “First and Only”, for space marines I recommend “Brothers of the Snake” or “Horus Rising”

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Jan 13:59 collapse

Thanks for the recs… I have noted the titles, and will add them to my ever growing list of books that I will probably never read.

Droechai@lemm.ee on 20 Jan 14:58 collapse

I got a Kobo epub reader, made it way easier to just pick up a book when I have some spare time

Yorick@sh.itjust.works on 20 Jan 13:55 next collapse

The best way I’ve discovered 40k lore beyond hearing from a friend and some meme is Luetin09, which has a great narrator voice, consider his channel a huge audio library of alleged facts and stories.

How to make a space Marines: youtu.be/whtHtyAy0Wo?si=FdpfykLdVV4aK8-4

Also, I heavily recommend Arbitor Ian as he has both a nice presentation style, and also talks about the meta aspects (like how things evolved in the 40 years of 40K lore changing)

The timeline of 40k in 20mn: youtu.be/05YRMHWtv1Y?si=xnoLgKkKAQgRwEsX

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Jan 13:58 collapse

Siiiiick. Gonna save this for later. Thanks!

smeg@feddit.uk on 20 Jan 15:13 next collapse

I didn’t resist the urge and now I’m many layers deep in reading through this colossal wiki

Klear@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jan 10:02 collapse

Someone recommended First and Only and I kinda second that. Dan Abnett’s books are awesome, and much better than the rest of WH40k literature.

That said, I’d recommend starting with Eisenhorn. That’s what I did when I was in your shoes.

[deleted] on 19 Jan 17:23 next collapse

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DarkCloud@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 18:22 next collapse

I vote that we test whether this works with billionaires too.

fossilesque@mander.xyz on 19 Jan 18:27 next collapse

Well, they are parasitic, after all.

Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 19:20 next collapse

That is an insult to parasites.

massive_bereavement@fedia.io on 19 Jan 20:23 collapse

Exactly. Even most parasites have an ecological function.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 15:23 collapse

Cannibalistic, even, by some scholarly definitions of consumption.

superkret@feddit.org on 19 Jan 19:30 next collapse

It does! If you teach one billionaire a lesson about the power of the working class, blend them and feed them to another billionaire, the other billionaire will have learned the same lesson.

leisesprecher@feddit.org on 19 Jan 20:13 collapse

Follow up question: do you need to feed one blended billionaire to one unblended billionaire, or would it be sufficient to feed just a certain percentage?

pupbiru@aussie.zone on 20 Jan 15:27 collapse

considering their apparent inability to learn, if you manage to teach 1 humility you’d best not waste it: feed the whole billionaire to the next, and then repeat the process until all billionaires in the world are selfless and humble

Hadriscus@lemm.ee on 20 Jan 16:31 collapse

ie, the one remaining billionaire ?

pupbiru@aussie.zone on 21 Jan 08:45 collapse

if the experiment succeeded and they’re both selfless and humble that number should be 0

[deleted] on 19 Jan 21:01 next collapse

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Trilobite@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 21:02 collapse

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LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz on 20 Jan 04:38 collapse

Well that song is stuck in my head for the next couple days.

Im_old@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 19:14 next collapse

So what you are saying is that we should take any scientist that days, make a milkshake of them and feed the next batchnof scientists?

Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 19:25 collapse

That’s what ended the super advanced lost civilizations. They all get advanced enough to figure out feeding scientists to younger scientists preserves knowledge and advances the pace of technological advancement.

Problem is they didn’t know that it only works once and they ended up killing leaders of innovation and feeding them to children and forgot everything, leading to ruin.

Read your Bibles people, its all in there.

Im_old@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 20:19 collapse

it’s all in there

Porn included

RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 19:35 next collapse

Goddam. This is when the power of regeneration makes nightmare fuel.

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone on 19 Jan 21:05 next collapse

So does this mean we can make a Kwisatz Haderach or not?

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Jan 13:32 collapse

You fool, that would take centuries of selective breeding…

johny@feddit.org on 19 Jan 21:23 next collapse

What are the chances, I just read this ‚fact‘ today in The Forever War by Joe Haldeman and was already kinda doubtful.

big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space on 19 Jan 22:30 next collapse

If we could do emotional memory transfer then we wouldn’t need movies anymore.

Movies are an indirect way of evoking emotions.

ogler@lemmynsfw.com on 19 Jan 22:57 collapse

damn hopefully someday we can just cut out the whole experience of watching a movie and just drink a smoothie that makes us melancholy. save a ton of time for sitting on the couch blankly staring at the leech blender we replaced the TV with

felsiq@lemmy.zip on 20 Jan 00:15 collapse

Truly the efficiency capitalism strives to reach

sourquincelog@hexbear.net on 20 Jan 05:32 next collapse

Maybe eels are just really good at mazes

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 13:38 next collapse

Probably where sg-1 got the idea for gaould racial memory

threshold_dweller@lemmy.today on 20 Jan 15:36 collapse

Indeed.

wowwoweowza@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 14:01 next collapse

Came here to say this.

jaemo@sh.itjust.works on 20 Jan 15:36 collapse

Obviously these leeches are Reverend mothers who’ve undergone the spice agony to unlock their genetic memories.