Are we just looking for imaginative ways to destroy ourselves at this point? We have enough options already! But we have to keep looking for more creative previously unknown ways to kill ourselves.
Xeno-archaeologist 1,000 years from now: … yeah … it’s another one … fourth one in this sector … just blew themselves up and destroyed everything for some dumb reason … probably economics like in that last system 35 light years away … too bad … if we had arrived earlier, we could have helped them out … oh well
Further research shows that they blew everything up trying to deal with the ancient, insatiable, worms they released on themselves out of curiosity. Upon reflection, it is probably better that we didn’t arrive earlier.
Alien #1: … HEY KORG! … look at this! … (picks up human skull and starts comically operating the jawbone) … HEY LOOK AT ME! Imma intelligent species and my economy is more important because I have to pay for these worms … so imma gonna blow up the world for some reason
KORG: … Stop messing around Kang … this place gives me the creeps, let’s get out of here.
madthumbs@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 18:27
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A lot of times memes are what they are because they’re harder to fact check (can’t copy and paste text from them). People use them to spread misinformation for fun. -This is actually a confirmed meme though.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 24 Nov 19:26
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Says you?
Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Nov 19:50
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Except for a couple of details from the link you posted: there were only two worms, and they are likely of the same age (don’t think this can be determined more specifically than ‘around 40 thousand years’), and the picture is absolutely wrong.
SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net
on 24 Nov 18:49
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How would that solve the issue presented in the paper the video mentions?
drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 25 Nov 04:13
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One of the issues with cryonics in large animals is sufficiently saturating all of the tissues with cryoprotectants to prevent frostbite. Some have speculated that it might be possible to engineer an organism to produce it’s own cryoprotectant proteins inside all of its cells, as some arctic fish and insects do.
That wouldn’t help with getting even heat into all of the tissues for thawing though.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Nov 22:01
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Are these the same worms that got into RFK Jr’s brain after his meeting with his russian handler?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 24 Nov 23:50
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Yes, but they starved for lack of brains :(
ellen_musk_0x@lemm.ee
on 25 Nov 00:36
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It might not have been the worm actually. Missing a chunk of brain runs in his family on his uncle’s side.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 25 Nov 12:27
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Worst that there are also unknown Virus and Bacteria found in the Permafrost, which are also defrosted with the Climate change. A lot are also still life…
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca
on 25 Nov 15:32
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Although, most likely less-evolved hence less-threathening than the current virus and bacterias.
They are investigating it, some million years in the oldest beeings in Earth don’t make evolutive difference to the current ones. The only question is, if they can infect humans or animals or not.
The climate change make that all tipe of indesirable things are defrosted, adding more dangerous diseases to the existing ones.
Crankenstein@lemmy.world
on 25 Nov 18:45
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Not less evolved. Just evolved differently for alternative environmental circumstances.
There is no hierarchy of evolutionary traits. Just an amalgamation of traits that are or are not useful in the current environment. What genetic makeup is effective in one place and time is useless in another, and what was once useless may now be beneficial.
We have no clue how threatening they could potentially be.
intensely_human@lemm.ee
on 25 Nov 19:30
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Less evolved as in the product of less evolution. There is such a thing as more and less because more happens over time.
Ok, but evolution doesn’t follow a straight path. The ancestors of whales looked like wolves, while whales look, act, and function much more like fish, which those wolf-like pre-whales evolved from way earlier up the line. This is a common misconception about evolution, so don’t feel bad for getting caught in it.
I’m not disagreeing with you here, but wouldn’t it be fair to say there is a gradient, but it is dynamic and defined by the current environment and what it takes to survive it?
Maybe the goal posta keep moving but we are talking about a very large time scale, so long that, for at least a couple of million years, what could be defined as more or less evolved might seem or be descibed as pretty solid.
Although i suppose its not fair to say more or less evolved and might be more accurate to say more or less well adapted.
The question is more or less adapted to what? An elephant is more adapted than a mouse to the daily activities of an elephant, and vice-versa. An elephant might be more well adapted for our current environment for elephant tasks than, say, a wooly mammoth, but it could just be that the wooly mammoth was actually the more well adapted animal except for being the only megafauna in an area with humans, eventually leading to extinction by hunting. There’s a million and one ways to be adapted to an environment.
But in your example, humans are part of the environment. Or at least they are a factor in your ability to survive. Part of being adapted and being able to survive is surviving your predators. Dont you agree?
I dont know if i agree that being adapted to “elephant tasks” is a good marker to measure how adapted elephants are. If an elephant can eat, reproduce, and defend or hide itself from predators or deadly flora or weather, etc, then i would look at the elephant and argue it is well adapted.
Unless you think that predators change things or you dont consider humans as predators because we dont always kill for survival.
I dunno, im kind of just fleshing this out in my head as we speak.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca
on 26 Nov 16:40
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Yes and no.
Ok my last input was a bit lazy hence all the armchair biologists tuning in.
Less and more evolved is definitely a thing when alluding to the complexity of the system and since evolution is incremental time helps.
However you are right that adaptability to the environment is the most important thing when defining the success of your “genetic constitution”.
I guess my point is that we are more likely to have, in our DNA, evolved adaptation to them than they are to have adaptation to circumvent our immunity.
That being said, yes there are inherent risks to getting those out there, I’m just saying our propensity for enjoying fictional doom scenarios might make us overstate the probability of those occurences.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com
on 25 Nov 20:14
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Is the saber toothed tiger less threatening than the common house cat ?
If it can’t survive in today’s environment then yes.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com
on 25 Nov 22:46
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Viruses and bacteria don’t evolve to kill you. They propogate in your system to spread themselves. It’s actually in their best interest to keep you alive, so the more evolved ones would be less deadly because they’ve had more time to dial it in. Not that evolution is something they choose, it’s from mutations that work more or less better.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world
on 26 Nov 03:50
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That’s not how evolution works.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world
on 26 Nov 08:09
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Let’s just hope that they have no compatible hosts on Earth
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
on 25 Nov 20:02
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I love that “Uh, guys?” is a real in-character reaction and moment in many episodes of SG1. This story easily could have been a plot in the show.
While Star Trek had these wonderful “this is why we explore the galaxy” moments, SG1 wasn’t afraid to place characters face-to-face with something or someone that would just erase existence or end humanity if the next moment wasn’t handled the right way.
threaded - newest
The very hungry helminths.
Must be famished after all that time
I’ve seen this one!
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d129fa55-8aad-4225-b999-ce0156a1f2be.jpeg">
Oh, these are the new billionaire inbreds?
Just kidding, fuck yeah, I’ll always upvote “the thing”.
Trump‘s latest Cabinet picks
Is that a man in there… or something?
Childs, get the flamethrower!
you beat me to it with about 3h. these are mandatory flashbacks for anyone who has watched the movie and saw this meme
Normally I recommend we start small, just a little fire.
Fuck it in this case. Exterminatus.
Are we just looking for imaginative ways to destroy ourselves at this point? We have enough options already! But we have to keep looking for more creative previously unknown ways to kill ourselves.
We’ve got to leave something interesting for the alien xeno-archaeologists of the future to uncover.
Xeno-archaeologist 1,000 years from now: … yeah … it’s another one … fourth one in this sector … just blew themselves up and destroyed everything for some dumb reason … probably economics like in that last system 35 light years away … too bad … if we had arrived earlier, we could have helped them out … oh well
Further research shows that they blew everything up trying to deal with the ancient, insatiable, worms they released on themselves out of curiosity. Upon reflection, it is probably better that we didn’t arrive earlier.
Alien #1: … HEY KORG! … look at this! … (picks up human skull and starts comically operating the jawbone) … HEY LOOK AT ME! Imma intelligent species and my economy is more important because I have to pay for these worms … so imma gonna blow up the world for some reason
KORG: … Stop messing around Kang … this place gives me the creeps, let’s get out of here.
Exactly, do you want them to know we polluted ourselves to death? That’s just shameful
Now, if we accidentally unleashed an ancient parasite? That’s just unfortunate
Maybe it’s related to thawing of permafrost and they want to research what to do if all the frozen bugs come back to life
Tek ma te
Can’t snack on the tomb cheese.
Can’t slurp the sarcophagus juice.
Can’t eat ancient worms.
What is there to live for.
In pre-slavic society, you don’t eat worm. Worm eats you, then commands you to reproduce so worm has more you to eat.
There are those packing peanuts made from corn starch.
If I remember correctly, the industry term for packing peanuts is “void filler” so, fill that void!
Just met the girl
I know about the sarcophagus juice, but what the heck is the tomb cheese? lol
Be blessed by the 2.6k years old tomb cheese.
allthatsinteresting.com/ancient-egyptian-tomb-che…
<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/f781f76f-3045-45b4-85e3-65aa42b62fff.jpeg">
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6f42ef93-2e84-49f9-ac58-7a22e2e3e241.gif">
At least we will have mummy jerky… For now.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e110f2c0-e31c-4ad6-b422-5d54d4030dcf.jpeg">
A lot of times memes are what they are because they’re harder to fact check (can’t copy and paste text from them). People use them to spread misinformation for fun. -This is actually a confirmed meme though.
Says you?
Says Snopes: www.snopes.com/…/prehistoric-worms-woke-up/
Thanks!
We need to make it mandatory that all memes link to a reverse image search on Snopes so we can fact check them
Fact checking memes what has the world come to
Sounds like a good bot.
Not a fan of snopes. Copyfish and reverse image search on right click works good for desktop users.
Except for a couple of details from the link you posted: there were only two worms, and they are likely of the same age (don’t think this can be determined more specifically than ‘around 40 thousand years’), and the picture is absolutely wrong.
Is one of them RFK’s brain worm?
Gonna need to break out the board from Cabin in the Woods
Can someone explain what the problem is?
Sci fi movie disaster
I wonder how this is going to advance the status of cryogenic freezing.
It won’t. That’s simply not possible for an organism as large and complex as a human being. You can watch this for a more detailed explanation.
Not yet atleast, until human genetic engineering is legalized
How would that solve the issue presented in the paper the video mentions?
One of the issues with cryonics in large animals is sufficiently saturating all of the tissues with cryoprotectants to prevent frostbite. Some have speculated that it might be possible to engineer an organism to produce it’s own cryoprotectant proteins inside all of its cells, as some arctic fish and insects do.
That wouldn’t help with getting even heat into all of the tissues for thawing though.
Are these the same worms that got into RFK Jr’s brain after his meeting with his russian handler?
Yes, but they starved for lack of brains :(
It might not have been the worm actually. Missing a chunk of brain runs in his family on his uncle’s side.
Sure, but that generally involves lead poisoning.
Holy Fuck!
<img alt="" src="https://i.imgur.com/U5tIXxK.gif">
No. He killed those ones with horse dewormer trying to prevent COVID
Who is that fine looking gentleman with the godawful haircut?
Character is Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1
Very underrated show.
Indeed.
Don’t worry, he’s died like 5 times
Then ascended
after all the shit he’s been through
Canadian actor Michael Shanks.
Despite the apparent huge age gap, they can still date under the “half your age plus 7” rule.
*half your age plus 700
The Russians were pissed when all of their soldiers died and only SG-1 made it out alive.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/4ad0f51a-32a8-4d37-8846-b1aa2a65924b.jpeg">
Indeed.
<img alt="" src="https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/6a353651-a314-4544-8287-820ed13e5614.png">
always believe in your soul
Would anyone still love me if I was a 41,700 y/o worm? 🥺
Are you asking for a friend, old worm?
Leto?
I would ancient worm, I would
Did the scientists at least think the worms were getting better on the drums?
Perchance they are together with a Jewish bass player.
Yes, danieljackson?
Several<>two
The dictionary definition says more than two, but it also says it mean some; which has a definition of an unspecified amount.
One funny thing about the dictionary is that complex words are explained in simple language and simple words are explained in complex language.
Unspecified amount which is greater than two.
Several were defrosted, two woke up
= The others didn’t.
RIP worms
Oh they are going to love microplastics
Their opponent:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/de4816ea-5574-463a-b5f3-ab669049e604.jpeg">
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/975d5e6d-f01c-4bab-864d-9623cfc7fd51.gif">
Worst that there are also unknown Virus and Bacteria found in the Permafrost, which are also defrosted with the Climate change. A lot are also still life…
Although, most likely less-evolved hence less-threathening than the current virus and bacterias.
They are investigating it, some million years in the oldest beeings in Earth don’t make evolutive difference to the current ones. The only question is, if they can infect humans or animals or not. The climate change make that all tipe of indesirable things are defrosted, adding more dangerous diseases to the existing ones.
Not less evolved. Just evolved differently for alternative environmental circumstances.
There is no hierarchy of evolutionary traits. Just an amalgamation of traits that are or are not useful in the current environment. What genetic makeup is effective in one place and time is useless in another, and what was once useless may now be beneficial.
We have no clue how threatening they could potentially be.
Less evolved as in the product of less evolution. There is such a thing as more and less because more happens over time.
Ok, but evolution doesn’t follow a straight path. The ancestors of whales looked like wolves, while whales look, act, and function much more like fish, which those wolf-like pre-whales evolved from way earlier up the line. This is a common misconception about evolution, so don’t feel bad for getting caught in it.
Nothing about the phrase “more evolved” implies a “straight path” of evolution
To have “more or less” of something implies the effectiveness of the product is directly caused by the metric being measured.
The amount of time a genotype took to evolve has no bearing on the effectiveness.
There is no such thing as “more/less evolved”. There is no gradient. Something either is evolved to adapt to its environment or it isn’t.
I’m not disagreeing with you here, but wouldn’t it be fair to say there is a gradient, but it is dynamic and defined by the current environment and what it takes to survive it?
Maybe the goal posta keep moving but we are talking about a very large time scale, so long that, for at least a couple of million years, what could be defined as more or less evolved might seem or be descibed as pretty solid.
Although i suppose its not fair to say more or less evolved and might be more accurate to say more or less well adapted.
The question is more or less adapted to what? An elephant is more adapted than a mouse to the daily activities of an elephant, and vice-versa. An elephant might be more well adapted for our current environment for elephant tasks than, say, a wooly mammoth, but it could just be that the wooly mammoth was actually the more well adapted animal except for being the only megafauna in an area with humans, eventually leading to extinction by hunting. There’s a million and one ways to be adapted to an environment.
But in your example, humans are part of the environment. Or at least they are a factor in your ability to survive. Part of being adapted and being able to survive is surviving your predators. Dont you agree?
I dont know if i agree that being adapted to “elephant tasks” is a good marker to measure how adapted elephants are. If an elephant can eat, reproduce, and defend or hide itself from predators or deadly flora or weather, etc, then i would look at the elephant and argue it is well adapted.
Unless you think that predators change things or you dont consider humans as predators because we dont always kill for survival.
I dunno, im kind of just fleshing this out in my head as we speak.
Yes and no.
Ok my last input was a bit lazy hence all the armchair biologists tuning in.
Less and more evolved is definitely a thing when alluding to the complexity of the system and since evolution is incremental time helps.
However you are right that adaptability to the environment is the most important thing when defining the success of your “genetic constitution”.
I guess my point is that we are more likely to have, in our DNA, evolved adaptation to them than they are to have adaptation to circumvent our immunity.
That being said, yes there are inherent risks to getting those out there, I’m just saying our propensity for enjoying fictional doom scenarios might make us overstate the probability of those occurences.
Is the saber toothed tiger less threatening than the common house cat ?
Yes, saber toothed tiger can’t manipulate humans.
It’d have a fair go at manipulating your arm off your torso given the chance.
If it can’t survive in today’s environment then yes.
Viruses and bacteria don’t evolve to kill you. They propogate in your system to spread themselves. It’s actually in their best interest to keep you alive, so the more evolved ones would be less deadly because they’ve had more time to dial it in. Not that evolution is something they choose, it’s from mutations that work more or less better.
That’s not how evolution works.
Let’s just hope that they have no compatible hosts on Earth
More fun still - prions.
Your autoclave won’t help you now, kids.
I love that “Uh, guys?” is a real in-character reaction and moment in many episodes of SG1. This story easily could have been a plot in the show.
While Star Trek had these wonderful “this is why we explore the galaxy” moments, SG1 wasn’t afraid to place characters face-to-face with something or someone that would just erase existence or end humanity if the next moment wasn’t handled the right way.
They are yet to defrost more members of United RussiaWorm 1 [Healthy] Age 2 quadrums (32000) of Russia Consuming nutrient paste
Worm 2 [Healthy] Age 1 (41700) of Russia Consuming nutrient paste
worm 2 has gone into a murderous rage, and will kill anyone he sees
they should eat one, or place it in their ear canal :)
Where are the animorphs when you need them most