Humanity making progress like it always does (mbin.grits.dev)
from mozz@mbin.grits.dev to science_memes@mander.xyz on 01 Jun 2024 22:19
https://mbin.grits.dev/m/science_memes@mander.xyz/t/179398

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TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee on 01 Jun 2024 22:32 next collapse

Last panel should have one of those stock scanning robots behind the wheel.

Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works on 01 Jun 2024 22:43 next collapse

With a human body on the windshield?

Norgur@fedia.io on 01 Jun 2024 22:57 collapse

And a tesla logo on the bonnet for absolutely no reason at all wink wink

Blaster_M@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 01:41 collapse

Misread that, was thinking OG BSG Cylon behind the wheel… you know, the one with the red light that goes back and forth.

BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network on 01 Jun 2024 23:11 next collapse

Oh, my. I hadn’t even noticed how much less I’ve had to clean my Windshield lately. That is a very bad sign…

henfredemars@infosec.pub on 01 Jun 2024 23:18 next collapse

It’s been a couple years since I’ve had to scrape the bugs from my windows.

snooggums@midwest.social on 01 Jun 2024 23:27 next collapse

I had to last week. It was the first time in years.

KingJalopy@lemm.ee on 02 Jun 2024 01:03 collapse

In Sacramento I clean mine almost daily. Just depends where you are really. Lots of farm land will always have lots of bugs.

hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Jun 2024 07:31 next collapse

Let me give another example:

Traveling from Central Europe to Southern Europe to spend your holiday. In 1980/1990 you had to clean your windshield a couple of times when driving there.

Not any more.

jabathekek@sopuli.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 23:43 collapse

Unless they use shit-tons of insecticide. The farms around my home-town did, or started too a bit before I left.

mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Jun 2024 05:03 collapse

Waaiiittt… How fast you need to go to get flies on your windows? I think my place has much more flies but i never saw this thing

Honytawk@lemmy.zip on 02 Jun 2024 03:21 next collapse

Couldn’t that also be new improvements in car aerodynamics where bugs simply glide off instead of getting squished?

Ephera@lemmy.ml on 02 Jun 2024 04:14 collapse

Apparently, it’s the other way around, presumably because unaerodynamic cars pushed around a big air cone, which deflected the insects.

theguardian.com/…/car-splatometer-tests-reveal-hu…

platypus_plumba@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 01:02 collapse

I was thinking the other day that we no longer see bugs around the house I grew up in. When I was a kid my house was always full of bugs, we live next to a protected natural area, so it was impossible to keep them out. Anyways, I’ve always loved bugs so they were welcome. I moved out and whenever I go there are no animals to be seen. I can’t even hear birds or see iguanas walking around. It’s so disturbing.

JoMiran@lemmy.ml on 01 Jun 2024 23:16 next collapse

I’m 51, I spent the 90’s in Louisiana, and since my wife doesn’t fly, we have driven across the USA more times than we can count. In the 90’s, if you didn’t have a bug screen on your grill, the LoveBugs would clog your radiator and you would over heat. You also needed the windshield scrib and squeegee to scrub off the bug splatter every time you filled up. Now, you don’t need either of them.

xenspidey@lemmy.zip on 02 Jun 2024 01:57 next collapse

I have been thinking about this recently. How much of this is lack of bugs vs aerodynamics. I mean back in the day we all drove big rectangles. I’m not denying the fact that it could be a mass extinction of bugs. Just curious.

Ephera@lemmy.ml on 02 Jun 2024 03:00 collapse

Nope, seems to purely be the mass extinction thing. In fact:

modern cars hit more bugs, perhaps because older models push a bigger layer of air – and insects – over the vehicle.

theguardian.com/…/car-splatometer-tests-reveal-hu…

ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Jun 2024 02:59 next collapse

Drove a ton in the 90s all across the US as well every year there was a couple several thousand mile vacations starting from near Kansas city.

The bugs were bad, but we never needed a bug screen on the grill. I never even remember seeing something like that exist, actually. Definitely less bugs now, though.

JoMiran@lemmy.ml on 02 Jun 2024 11:41 collapse

Lucky. I-10 could get ridiculous between the black cricket things, the love bugs, the dragon flies, etc.

hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Jun 2024 07:33 next collapse

Same in Europe.

shalafi@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 01:36 collapse

Same age. Dad taught me to always clean the windshield when we filled up. Yeah.

octopus_ink@lemmy.ml on 01 Jun 2024 23:20 next collapse

This has bothered me for years. It’s a really strange thing to be telling younger relatives about how you legitimately could not drive any substantial distance without windshield cleaner at certain times of year. I remember them being plastered across the front edge of the hood and against the radiator after a long trip.

It’s one of the most visibly different things about the world today, IMO, and it’s a little eerie.

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 01 Jun 2024 23:23 next collapse

The sounds, too.

I was talking with my dad walking near to a place that had frogs croaking, and he got a little emotional and excited to hear them over the phone. Normally it's just traffic noises now, and silence.

jabathekek@sopuli.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 00:07 next collapse

I remember the wasps always buzzing around the vehicle grills munching on all the dead bugs too. Now it’s just shiny and chrome.

Vlyn@lemmy.zip on 02 Jun 2024 08:09 collapse

I still remember 10 years ago when I was driving on the Autobahn at 130 km/h and a juicy bug hit the windshield. It was literally a loud splat. Besides the grill always being covered in bugs.

Hasn’t happened since, nowadays I can count the number of bugs on the grill with one hand. And that’s after months of driving.

GluWu@lemm.ee on 01 Jun 2024 23:31 next collapse

My parents never gave me money unless I worked for it and washing their cars was one of those few things they did pay me to do. I remember always having to scrub bugs off the front, it was the hardest part. I’ve literally never washed my road cars because its just dust.

KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 Jun 2024 23:43 collapse

My parents never gave me money unless I worked for it

my road cars because its just dust.

I’m sorry. I legitimately can’t tell if this is satire or not…

GluWu@lemm.ee on 01 Jun 2024 23:52 collapse

What are you confused about? Some cars I’ve owned cannot go off road, maybe a bumpy dirt road here and there. Other cars I have owned I bought specifically because I needed them to go where there isn’t pavement or even a road. They get a lot dirtier and need cleaning just to stay functional.

KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 02 Jun 2024 01:00 collapse

Well, It sounded like you had more than a few cars, like currently. Which I found in stark contrast to the rest. Now i’m not confused, thanks!

[deleted] on 02 Jun 2024 01:23 collapse

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KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 02 Jun 2024 01:51 next collapse

👀

butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 04:09 collapse

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BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 02 Jun 2024 04:57 next collapse

Do you need medical attention…?

GluWu@lemm.ee on 02 Jun 2024 10:16 collapse

Testicles diarrhea

aport@programming.dev on 02 Jun 2024 05:18 collapse

Well this took a sharp turn

otp@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jun 2024 10:24 collapse

Damn, it got deleted. What did it say? Lol

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 14:53 collapse

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-GluWu

otp@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jun 2024 00:23 collapse

wtf…lmao

Aralakh@lemmy.ca on 01 Jun 2024 23:44 next collapse

Whoa, this is disconcerting. My folks used to run a rental car agency and I helped out every now and then by cleaning cars. I remember cleaning so many bugs off of cars 20ish years ago, and now on my own car - barely nothing. :(

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com on 01 Jun 2024 23:44 next collapse

Sorry, can someone explain? If there are less bugs, that’s attributable to something I should know?

Rubisco@slrpnk.net on 02 Jun 2024 01:52 next collapse

Do you convert dead organic matter into fertile soil or pollinate flowers? They do. If insect populations were to vanish, so would humans. They perform too many vital functions that humans cannot.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com on 02 Jun 2024 03:33 collapse

Yes… Sorry, I didn’t mean I didn’t understand what bugs do or why they’re important. I just was trying to understand the meme. I was not aware that there’s universally less bugs. I haven’t seen this covered in news.

Rubisco@slrpnk.net on 02 Jun 2024 04:32 next collapse

en.wikipedia.org/…/Decline_in_insect_populations

TW: this entry can be hard to read.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com on 02 Jun 2024 06:03 collapse

Thank you.

flora_explora@beehaw.org on 02 Jun 2024 08:09 collapse

I don’t have a good source and I think it may be a more complex, but at least in Germany various media have frequently cited a number of 70% insect biomass decrease over the last 50 years or so. As a biologist, I wouldn’t be surprised if isn’t even more if you compare it to preindustrial times and the decrease in biodiversity is probably much higher as well.

Kaboom@reddthat.com on 02 Jun 2024 02:08 next collapse

OP literally never leaves the city.

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Jun 2024 02:22 next collapse

I have noticed this in the suburbs specifically. Just over the span of my short life I’ve seen pretty much all the bugs in any area I’ve lived in disappear, along with the bats that eat them.

Kaboom@reddthat.com on 02 Jun 2024 12:27 collapse

Have they built it up a lot while you were living there?

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Jun 2024 14:53 collapse

Not terribly? My hometown only expanded by one housing development, but most of those houses have not sold. But we had to close our windows at night because the mosquito sprayer trucks would spray so much fog that it impacted my mom’s breathing. When I was a kid we had fireflies and bats in the backyard.

As for my current town, I am not surprised at the lack of bugs since it’s all corn and nothing but corn; no real rivers, no big ponds, no forests near town, nothing that could shelter bugs outside the houses.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com on 02 Jun 2024 03:35 collapse

I’m not in the city right now. The key word in my post was “attributable.” As in, what’s causing the phenomenon?

curveoftheuniverse@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 00:17 next collapse

Climate change.

Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 00:24 collapse

Not just climate change, but also accumulation of and reckless overuse of pesticides plus removal of their natural habitats. We are doing our damndest to make sure we can’t get our food pollinated. On the flip side, I have noticed a huge uptick in how many predatory pests I have had to fight off in my vegetable garden over the last few years despite seeing higher high temperatures and lower and longer low temperatures. The pests adapt. Its the ones we want that are going away.

The_v@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 01:36 collapse

Farming is always environmentally destructive. There is no such thing as “environmentally friendly” farming. The solution is massive investment into the farming infrastructure and rewilding of vast tracts of land.

ourworldindata.org/land-use

We use around half of the arable land for agriculture. The sad fact is we only need to use 10% of it. The rest we farm because we can make a profit. Not because it makes sense.

It would take a complete upheaval of our agricultural system. Massive investment into water storage, irrigation systems and protected culture. It would also mean the forced migration of a millions people from rural areas to be rewilded to areas under intensive agriculture.

Aka it’s not an easy fix. t’s a systematic change to the way we interact with the environment.

So, it’s not going to happen.

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 05 Jun 2024 05:29 collapse

Pollution leads to a decline in the bug population. Pollution = human byproducts (including byproducts of imprisoned animals) causing global warming and climate change affecting habitat; pollution = pesticides and chemicals which make it harder for insects to reproduce; pollution = plastics, trash, and environmental contamination; pollution = human changes that are functionally useful for humans (like roads and farms with pesticides and cities) but may be not helpful for insects.

The joke is that at first, having fewer bugs is nicer because a lot of bugs are annoying.

The joke is also that while it’s convenient at first, in another few decades it means EVERYTHING will die, so it’s not actually a good thing.

The joke is also the obliviousness of the human driver, who is relieved to be dealing with fewer bugs, not realizing that they are missing for the same reason he’s about to become extinct.

There are decreases in pretty much all types of animals that are neither human nor domesticated by humans, and for bugs there are decreases of bees, and there’s been discussion that the world is experiencing and extinction event.

Wynn Bruce set himself on fire and died trying to alert people that these trends pose a problem for humankind and no one cared. David Buckel also set himself on fire trying to warn people. It doesn’t matter at this point.

The problem is religion. People are stupid and believe in imaginary bullshit that doesn’t exist and society accepts this as normal thinking. Psychiatry says bizarre religious thinking is a symptom of schizophrenia, but normal religious thinking is acceptable if enough people believe it (in an unscientific capitulation to popular opinion in a “scientific” field that is hardly ruled by scientific rules). Religion is always illogical and it’s dooming us all.

People believe god would never create a planet that could be destroyed and don’t understand math or how to analyze scientific data. On top of that, greed caused by capitalism means that for most poor people, they are just struggling to get by and really can’t contemplate next year much less 100 years from now.

Most pollution is caused by not only poor resource management and not correctly taking into account externalities of pollution into the markplace in creating government rules (and conservative economic theory means making rules to deal with externalities) but also caused by just too many people. It’s sad, but likely some horrible virus like bird flu killing most of the population is the only way in which the planet remains habitable. The fact that only Communist China has successfully been able to reduce their population through non-economic policy declarations (as opposed to restricting resources) is a sad commentary on some of the problems of democracy when so many people just can’t understand math and instead embrace religion. (China also is a large contributor to pollution and this is not meant as exculpation of the Chinese Communist Party, but rather a brutal look at how religion has played a large role in decimating the environment.)

If people weren’t religious, they could understand these problems. But instead religious idiots take pleasure in making fun of Greta Thunberg as woke because they are literally too stupid to analyze graphs and intelligently assess data. That’s okay, if humankind lacks the intelligence to deal with this problem, then war famine and plagues will perhaps succeed since human reasoning has failed. Religion allows these people the comforts and safety of their delusions as a cocoon away from the anxiety and fear caused by dealing with reality, which can be harsh. Unfortunately, people in this delusional cocoon make really stupid decisions so we’re probably all going to die.

Often when bacterial populations with limited space and infinite glucose supplies are left to their own, they pollute and pollute and population grows exponentially until suddenly the pollution is too much and nearly all of them die. Glucose = oil; petri dish = earth; colony collapse in a petri dish = 7.99 billion people suddenly dying.

If some horrible disease like bird flu suddenly killed 4 billion people, perhaps AI could swoop down from the metaphorical cloud and help humanity manage resources in time to stop us from all dying, but probably it’s too late for even that.

(When you hear Elon Musk say people need to populate the planet even more, I think he knows what is about to happen and is taking the rational position that fleeing earth is the best option for survival and it will be hard to flee earth is everyone is so scared of death they stop working. So his message of “everything is fine, let’s increase the population and also thereby pollution even more” is dishonest, but highly rational. I don’t know if this is actually what he thinks. His hostility towards trans people also seems stra

chetradley@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 23:38 next collapse

We’re undoubtedly in the midst of another mass extinction, caused by human activity. Here’s another one that will freak you out:

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bd6c1f57-08af-473f-8c78-00f9277021e8.png">

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 01 Jun 2024 23:46 next collapse

Here's a fun one about the fish:

<img alt="" src="https://mbin.grits.dev/media/6f/e5/6fe5064dd33cbd0ad6f5ff9210bcab26f00c680024acfded01333ccdb61867eb.webp">

ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml on 02 Jun 2024 00:05 next collapse

That is not fun. That is the opposite of fun 🤕

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 00:13 collapse

😢

Mavvik@lemmy.ca on 02 Jun 2024 00:36 next collapse

This is kind of misleading since they closed the fishery (I think in the 90s), so the amount of cod catch would naturally plummet. The fishery did, however, need to be closed due to overfishing.

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 00:56 collapse

Not exactly; it collapsed, then they closed it once it was too late, and now it's still fucked, 30 years later.

In the early-1990s, the industry collapsed entirely.

In 1992, John Crosbie, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, set the quota for cod at 187,969 tonnes, even though only 129,033 tonnes had been caught the previous year.

In 1992 the government announced a moratorium on cod fishing.[12] The moratorium was at first meant to last two years, hoping that the northern cod population would recover and the fishery. However, catches were still low,[16] and thus the cod fishery remained closed.

By 1993 six cod populations had collapsed, forcing a belated moratorium on fishing.[14] Spawning biomass had decreased by at least 75% in all stocks, by 90% in three of the six stocks, and by 99% in the case of "northern" cod, previously the largest cod fishery in the world.[14] The previous increases in catches were wrongly thought to be due to "the stock growing" but were caused by new technologies such as trawlers.[13]

Mavvik@lemmy.ca on 02 Jun 2024 12:50 collapse

That’s a fair point. It still is a misleading plot since it isn’t an estimate cod population, and isn’t representative of population after 1992. As you said the numbers are still bleak. I found this plot <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/73a0ddb8-2544-4267-a19b-6e7ebb69c1a4.jpeg">, Source , which does tell a similar story around the early 90s but indicates greater recovery in more recent years.

humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Jun 2024 13:26 collapse

Fuck. Fish near China, India and Indonesia are doomed

ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Jun 2024 02:53 next collapse

Dude. This is loaded as fuck misinformation and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Cod fishing on Canada’s eastern coastal area has been banned since 1992. That’s why it’s flattened out to nothing all of a sudden. They stopped Cod fishing there.

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 03:13 collapse

Cod fishing on Canada's eastern coastal waters was halted in 1992 for two years, with the plan being that the population would recover and they could start fishing again. Did you think the population recovered and they just decided not to start fishing again because they forgot? Or that they just had woken up one day and decided to take the drastic step of banning fishing and throwing 30,000 people out of work and destroying one of their thriving industries because nothing had happened to the fish?

The collapse happened before the ban, not after. And they took long enough to notice and implement it that the fishery was driven to total, semi-permanent collapse before the ban, to an extent that they didn't fully realize until several years had gone by and the fish still hadn't recovered.

Here's a pretty detailed summary of the before and after. In 2005, after 13 years of the ban, the cod biomass off Canada's coast was still about 3% of its pre-industrial-fishing levels. That's why there's still a ban: Not that they just hate sending out boats and bringing in fish, but that the population's still fucked and not really recovering, and so any fishing would be simply giving some additional cleaver-whacks to the already dead golden goose. I don't know what the numbers are now, but I would be surprised if they are dramatically better, and I think the chart I cited is an extremely honest and vivid picture of the results of overfishing, and not loaded or anything else as-fuck.

otp@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jun 2024 10:19 collapse

You can see where they decided “Profit, with no consideration of anything else!” was the answer

oo1@lemmings.world on 02 Jun 2024 12:12 collapse

I’m going to guess it wasn’t a decision, so much as tech availability and pricing. radar, sonar, more powerful boats with bigger trawl nets.

If they’d had that stuff earlier it’d be the same tragedy of the same commons.

otp@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jun 2024 00:23 next collapse

Fair.

If we could’ve fucked things over a decade ago, we definitely would’ve!

MalReynolds@slrpnk.net on 06 Jun 2024 19:50 collapse

Somewhere there was an asshole who made a decision, one of our failures as a (global, makes it harder) society is failing to hold responsibility accountable. Do the crime, do the time.

brisk@aussie.zone on 01 Jun 2024 23:51 next collapse

There’s something wrong with this data.

The fraction of asses should be way higher.

letsgo@lemm.ee on 02 Jun 2024 16:45 collapse

That’s some badass ass assessment.

freijon@lemmings.world on 02 Jun 2024 06:51 next collapse

TIL there are animals called Ass

NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Jun 2024 07:03 next collapse

Isn’t it just another word for donkey?

bobs_monkey@lemm.ee on 02 Jun 2024 07:20 collapse

Mammal biomass is 1% ass

And yeah, they’re donkeys. We have wild donkeys where I live, they’re feral asses

Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jun 2024 07:58 next collapse

This makes no sense… It says pets aren’t included.

There are 500-700 million dogs worldwide. There are only just under 59 million horses.

I don’t believe any of this as a result.

Edit: and 35 million camels …and only a billion cattle. This entire thing is demonstrably bullshit.

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 08:19 next collapse

700 million dogs x 17 kg per dog = 12 Mt of dog

59 million horses x 700 kg per horse = 41 Mt of horse

If horses are 2%, then dogs are 0.5%, less than 1% just like they said

35 million camels x 500 kg per camel = 17 Mt of camel, a little less than 1%

I think the key thing is they're measuring biomass, not just the number of animals, otherwise it would all be stuff like mice and rats (not to say that wouldn't be a valid thing to look at also)

stebo02@sopuli.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 09:36 collapse

BioMASS is not about the number of animals but about their mass. Sure there’s a lot of dogs and cats but they don’t weigh as much as a camel.

stebo02@sopuli.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 09:37 next collapse

And that’s only because whales and elephants are so massive.

Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz on 02 Jun 2024 10:27 next collapse

Presumably subway rats and other vermin count as wild?

stebo02@sopuli.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 10:30 collapse

and how is that relevant to what I said?

Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz on 02 Jun 2024 11:35 collapse

How isn’t it relevant? Large animals like whales make up a disproportionate amount of ‘wild animal’ biomass. But rats, mice etc will make up a sizeable proportion too while being human centric pests in much of the world.

4% is actually worse than it looks.

meowMix2525@lemm.ee on 02 Jun 2024 13:53 collapse

It doesn’t help that we chose the meatiest animals to keep as livestock and then made sure they got even fatter than they started by any means necessary. One factory farmed cow probably weighs like 12 wild deer and a few wild rabbits for good measure.

stebo02@sopuli.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 15:14 collapse

yes exactly

uis@lemm.ee on 02 Jun 2024 10:47 next collapse

Asses?

JoMiran@lemmy.ml on 02 Jun 2024 11:44 next collapse

Ass = Donkey

Arse = Butt

humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Jun 2024 13:21 collapse

Yo Brit donkey

69420@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 11:25 collapse

Fits on a graph better than “Donkeys” I suppose.

coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jun 2024 14:15 next collapse
platypus_plumba@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 01:04 next collapse

Don’t worry guys, the billionaires already built their bunkers and their space ships! Just as planned.

MIDItheKID@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 05:08 next collapse

There is no cow level.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 15:24 collapse

Why is that supposed to freak me out? We cultivate animals for consumption and there’s not a 1:1 absorption/usage ratio. Now add insect biomass.

jabathekek@sopuli.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 00:14 next collapse

I’m [emotionally*] ready for the hyper-industrialized moon-scape our planet will become once our environment completely collapses. I think there will be a point past which any environmental protection measures will be useless because there’s nothing left to protect so industrial landscapes will become the norm.

Omniraptor@lemm.ee on 02 Jun 2024 17:31 collapse

industrial landscapes need a base of natural resources and less developed regions with high birth rates (as a source of labor) to support them.

grue@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 00:18 next collapse

When I was a kid, there used to be hundreds of fireflies in my backyard in the summer. Now, I get excited to see even two or three.

I blame the anti-mosquito pesticide services half my neighbors seem to hire.

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 00:22 next collapse

Where I grew up, the city wanted to hire a bunch of trucks to drive around town spraying malathion into the air to kill the mosquitos. They had a vote, and the town voted overwhelmingly that, fuck no they did not want that, please don't do that, that sounds awful. Then they did it anyway.

Same thing; now there are pretty much 0 fireflies.

EddoWagt@feddit.nl on 02 Jun 2024 08:31 next collapse

Why did they even have a vote then? They just hoped everyone would say yes?

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 14:19 next collapse

Who the fuck knows

(Not me 😕)

Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 2024 01:46 collapse

Governing bodies regularly consist of bored narcissists who only act in their own self-interests.

They wanted less mosquitoes and held a mock election to confirm their interests and did what they wanted even though the people disagreed because they knew better, as they were the ruling class elected to carry out the piblic good aa they understand it.

skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Jun 2024 17:24 collapse
fishos@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 03:30 collapse

Blame the raking of the leaves. No leaves in fall means no place for the eggs to be laid and no place for the larvae to grow. It’s another casualty to grass lawns. A “clean” nature is a place where nothing has room to thrive.

JustAnotherRando@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 05:11 collapse

I try to help what little I can there by not raking (or if I do, I collect and move into our fenced in section so insects can still make use of them). It does also help my laziness that I have a legitimate reason to not rake.
Not sure if it helps or not since I do mow the leaves with the grass at the start of the summer.

Lenny@lemmy.zip on 02 Jun 2024 02:11 next collapse

Idk but I’m reminded of the 2002 adaptation of The Time Machine. One of the great achievements of our civilization was an advanced AI with all of our collective knowledge that you could converse with. Feels like our AI tech is on track to get there by the time we start dying off en mass lol

Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca on 02 Jun 2024 03:13 next collapse

Even if the AI can’t converse well, there will not be many humans around to have human conversations so it will seem a normal chat.

nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 03:19 next collapse

We could put two in front of each other and let them ping pong nonsense for all eternity.

blindsight@beehaw.org on 02 Jun 2024 03:34 collapse

I see you, too, saw the 24/7 live Biden-Trump “debate” Twitch stream.

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 03:56 collapse

Trump: "I got better things to do, like stuffing my pee-hole with tic tacs, or having syrupy sex with a maple tree. Anyone else got anything to say?"

This is one of the best things I've seen on the internet so far

formergijoe@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 04:47 collapse

Future civilization will be adding glue to pizza once humanity rebounds

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 03:24 next collapse

There are quite a few wonderful stories about the AIs continuing after humans are gone. "For a Breath I Tarry" by Roger Zelazny, and the whole of the Cyberiad by Stanislaw Lem, are some great ones.

That being said one of the critical points of "For a Breath I Tarry" is that the machines are just doing what they're programmed to do, maintaining the infrastructure for no one and just sitting in their orbits keeping the power grid going and all, and are actively hostile to any effort to bring the humans back because that would make things complicated and isn't in their programming (since although superficially they can converse and act "intelligently," more so than humans, they can't really grasp the purpose of things.) Also, "With Folded Hands" by Jack Williamson is another perfectly realistic one.

XPost3000@lemmy.ml on 02 Jun 2024 06:59 collapse

Honestly, having a world that’s just alone and empty, but not “abandoned”, sounds so soothing to explore, so liminal

Until insanity set in, but until then I’d have alot of fun just exploring the place for a while

mozz@mbin.grits.dev on 02 Jun 2024 08:22 next collapse

"Slow Music" by James Tiptree / Alice Sheldon is another very very good story that's exactly like that. Very liminal you could say; lots of going around alone in a world that's all empty but still all well maintained and functional.

NaibofTabr@infosec.pub on 02 Jun 2024 09:22 collapse

Some explorations for you: (steam links for reference, but I recommend going into all of these blind, don’t read a lot of reviews)

thejoker954@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 02:26 collapse

Orlando Jones was my favorite part of that movie lol.

Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk on 02 Jun 2024 10:18 next collapse

I’m so dopey. I thought this was suggesting that we’d invented some clever formulation to stop dead bugs sticking to windshields in 2020 and that we’d all have fully autonomous cars by 2050.

BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 10:43 next collapse

What is it about then 0_o ?

WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Jun 2024 11:50 collapse

It is about how the death of the insects is a precursor to the death of the rest of us. In the 90’s, there were a lot more bugs in the world, and it was very noticeable on road trips. They’re all gone now.

BurningRiver@beehaw.org on 02 Jun 2024 12:05 next collapse

I don’t know where all of you live, but my windshield is still an aria of death in the spring of 2024.

BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 14:14 next collapse

Same

BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz on 02 Jun 2024 14:34 collapse

Same

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 02 Jun 2024 19:02 next collapse

It is probably because newer cars are more aerodynamic and the bugs just fly over

WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Jun 2024 00:44 next collapse

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Liz@midwest.social on 03 Jun 2024 03:25 collapse

That’s a very small part of it. Most of it is that we’re destroying our surrounding ecosystem with multiple different pressures.

tektite@slrpnk.net on 02 Jun 2024 20:27 collapse

I was outside, next to a park on a lake, and I mentioned to someone the lack of ambient bugs. He was insistent that there were bugs around somewhere but it took me several minutes to locate ONE and it was the only one I could find.

No dragonflies, ladybugs, bees, wasps, butterflies, beetles, grasshoppers… I couldn’t even see any ants, flies, or mosquitos. The one I found looked similar to a gnat. It’s spring here. There should be bugs.

mipadaitu@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 12:07 collapse

There ARE fewer bugs, and that’s a problem, but also cars are more aerodynamic and would kill fewer bugs these days regardless.

Hmmm… This article suggests the opposite.

theguardian.com/…/car-splatometer-tests-reveal-hu…

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 23:06 next collapse

It’s a very funny commentary on how we’re all about to die!

Why didn’t the scientists warn us that pollution was bad? Where were the scientists lighting themselves on fire in protest?

This is all science’s fault!

dohpaz42@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 23:24 collapse
Surp@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 23:48 next collapse

It’s true

Rolando@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 00:17 next collapse

200,050: a giant cockroach at the wheel.

nifty@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 02:53 next collapse

I wonder if the insects have just learned to avoid highways, is there any data to indicate a shift in behavior like that? I couldn’t find anything

ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 03:21 collapse

Yeah the data indicates we’ve killed so many they haven’t been able to repopulate fast enough.

They’re not avoiding the roads there’s just not as many bugs flying around anymore

nifty@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 04:41 collapse

Interesting, there are also reports like this so maybe it differs by region?www.nature.com/articles/s41559-020-1269-4

Could also vary by ecosystem, www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aax9931

I agree that humans are creating irreversible environmental changes though, I just hate the simplicity of science memes sometimes because it all just starts to sound like dogma

ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 06:17 collapse

I mean realistically we’ve done/are doing irreparable damage either way.

Regardless of the region we’re causing massive population drops among pretty much every species.

MIDItheKID@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 05:16 next collapse

Not quite correct. The 2020 image should have a car completely covered in a dust of green pollen because city planners only planted male trees for decades because female trees would produce fruit or seed and be a “nuisance” and/or create trash/animal bait etc…

But if they only planted female trees, they would never get fertilized, so they wouldn’t produce fruit anyway… Or pollen.

Worst case scenario, they would produce fruit, and cities would still smell bad and have rodent problems. But without the allergies.

Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 12:06 next collapse

Oh I remember 2 years ago where I live there was so much fucking pollen. And we had no rain for like 2 months so the streets were yellow with it. I am not allergic to pollen and yet I was constantly sneezing and my eyes were irritated. It was such a relief when we finally had some rain to clear everything.

weariedfae@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 06:46 collapse

But girls are gross! We can’t let our city streets and parks be sissies!

(/s)

baatliwala@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 15:07 next collapse

Bro would probably be more than 70 years old in 2050, good that he’s off the streets

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 15:20 next collapse

Pest control is a trillion dollar industry

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 23:54 collapse

Gaia does it for free if you just wait long enough,

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 23:56 collapse

Aint none of us got that much time

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 23:58 collapse

… well, yeah.

Cuz we’re the pests…

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 2024 00:08 collapse

Yea verily

Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 22:25 collapse

Stop cutting your lawns and dig a pond. It’s not going to stop industrial scale destruction, but it’s something actionable that you can do yourself and see the positive impact right at home. If enough homes do it, a network of gardens can become a macro system.

Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 2024 01:39 collapse

Idk my artificial monoculture of non-native grasses kept immaculately trimmed and racially pure with toxic chemicals applied regularly makes me feel better than my neighbors’ artificial monoculture of non-native grasses kept immaculately trimmed and racially pure with toxic chemicals applied regularly.

That is how my daddy did it and that is how his daddy did it and their generations haven’t set any cultural precedents that have been incredibly predictably devastating to life and the biosphere as far as I can tell in these recordbreakingly hot and insect free times. I mean sure, those other places are experiencing historic climate events, but that is just part of normal climate cycles that haven’t existed in millennia.