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from fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com to science_memes@mander.xyz on 14 Mar 00:17
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Rhaedas@fedia.io on 14 Mar 00:25 next collapse

I fight the universe with the universe. I pull out a 20 sided die. 10 or under I pull the lever. I place all blame or credit upon what the die says.

JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 11:01 collapse

Why use a d20 instead of a coin? Do you always have a d20 with you?

SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Mar 12:07 next collapse

Tbh at this point, yeah, I’m probably more likely to have a d20 with me than a coin

Rhaedas@fedia.io on 14 Mar 12:11 next collapse

You don't?

lohky@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 15:38 collapse
HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today on 14 Mar 00:30 next collapse

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FarceOfWill@infosec.pub on 14 Mar 01:35 next collapse

As a good virtue ethicist I walk away from the lever and live my virtuous life

Probably by trying to beat up Persians. Or some other city state. Or slaves. You know, virtuously

lvxferre@mander.xyz on 14 Mar 02:18 next collapse

I do nothing. I went through QM classes in my Chemistry times and I still don’t get it. If I do nothing at least nobody can blame me for fucking everything up.

davidgro@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 06:56 next collapse

I feel like blame is the very obvious factor missing from most descriptions of trolley problems I’ve seen.

“Will it send me to jail?” is a highly important question for something that might easily be considered murder even if it does prevent other deaths.

match@pawb.social on 14 Mar 16:47 collapse

the blame aspect is the original purpose of the trolley problem, it’s about whether the trolley puller can accept the moral blame of killing the one person (and saving 5 others) in the original postulation // is the trolley puller blameless for non-intervention even when intervention is trivial

davidgro@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 17:40 collapse

In reality though it would become a legal question, not (just) a moral one.

state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de on 14 Mar 08:02 collapse

I mean, the blame clearly lies on whoever created the fucking situation in the first place. I hate the trolley problem.

Smokeydope@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 04:38 next collapse

Ez. I put myself into a box with the track lever and a bomb. The bomb is activated by an XOR gate with one input being 50% chance activated if the lever is pulled, and the other input is attached to an uncollaped wave function with a 50% chance of being measured or not.

This allows the lever, bomb, and myself to enter an undefined state beyond life and death, beyond position and momentum, to become the transitionary flow between something and nothing.

While nobody is watching, the box is equally likely to be inside the quantum trolley, and on the tracks, and on the side as an observer, at the same time.

All my separate possibility wavefunctions then may or may not pull the lever at the exact moment the quantum trolley hits a quantum eraser.

If performed correctly, the collective consciousness of the universe experiences what us humans would refer to as a aneurysm followed by violent seizures.

Finally, this neuroplastic wound bootstraps a emergency regenerative attempt to repair such devastating damage to the concept of causality.

A catastrophic explosion of tachyons froth at the epicenter of the incident. They act like antibodies fighting a virus, cascading into a a level-4∆ Retroactive Timeline Recalibration Event(RTRE-4∆)

Boom, The quantum trolley never even existed in the first place.

Q.E.D

taps forehead

sga@lemmings.world on 14 Mar 17:17 next collapse

let me ask you, you either would be a “barely undergrad” or a “post doc” and nothing between, so who are you - (and no, a superposition of those 2 is not allowed)

Smokeydope@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 17:51 collapse

In the fictional trolly Im definitely undergrad think its way funnier that way especially if the solution actually works out.

In reality im neither an undergrad nor a post doc nor anything in between. I just passionately enjoy understanding the behaviors of the universe and have extensively studied various topics including quantum field theory as well as theoretical particle physics in my free time for many years.

sga@lemmings.world on 14 Mar 18:38 collapse

we need more people studying particle physics in free time

lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 18:25 collapse

Finally, someone who understands Evangelion

apotheotic@beehaw.org on 14 Mar 08:58 next collapse

I oscillate the lever at a rate such that I cannot know whether the wave-trolley went through while the detectors were on or off, introducing further uncertainty.

purplemonkeymad@programming.dev on 14 Mar 20:30 collapse

That might not rule out hidden variables, the position of the lever should be determined by the polarisation of photons from the other side of the universe. That way you can at least rule out local variables.

MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org on 14 Mar 09:17 next collapse

I love the trend of making trolley memes more and more obstruse.

HylicManoeuvre@mander.xyz on 14 Mar 15:03 next collapse

*abstruse

MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org on 14 Mar 15:24 collapse

Thank you, turns out I remembered a made up word.

HylicManoeuvre@mander.xyz on 14 Mar 22:36 collapse

No worries Yeah, sounded like a mixture of abstruse and obtuse 😂

AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net on 14 Mar 15:20 collapse

I agree, it’s one of my favourite internet things.

You may already be aware of this, but on the off chance that you’re not, here’s a cool thing: neal.fun/absurd-trolley-problems/

MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org on 14 Mar 19:38 collapse

I was but I thanks for sharing nonetheless. Its allways worth to shoutout neal.fun

superkret@feddit.org on 14 Mar 09:24 next collapse

I run towards one of the slits and cover it with my body.
The trolley now behaves like a normal trolley made out of particles.
It instantly grinds to a halt since there are no rails on its side of the barrier.

TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz on 14 Mar 12:44 collapse
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 10:22 next collapse

By the time I’m done analyzing the situation and determine the best outcome, the sun had already burnt out.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 14 Mar 10:28 next collapse

I put the lever in the box with the cat, smeared with tuna, which also release the poison.

ieatpwns@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 15:45 next collapse

Observe

emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 16:21 next collapse

Can I do multi-slit drifting?

match@pawb.social on 14 Mar 16:50 next collapse

this is what living in 2025 feels like

sga@lemmings.world on 14 Mar 17:22 collapse

is it too late for me to “teknikally - at trains de Broglie wavelength, the decoherence length is probably of the order of size of proton or maybe even less, so actually, the system became deterministic, pretty much as soon as trains started moving, and our lever pulling can only change the results between the (no certain death) and (certain death), and expectatition value of death is now just classical addition of probablities of these added (and not the wave additions) and so, non of the interpretations are required”