Conspiracy theorists don’t have the imagination to write fantasy literature. They can’t account for the inconsistencies in their theories and 99% of the time the reason they give for why a certain thing is the way it is amounts to: “the Jews did it”.
Yeah I remember loving all that conspiracy, X-Files, Umberto, past lives, lost cities, etc etc — all that stuff. But scratch at any of it and it’s always some of the dullest, unimaginative reactionary bullshit just a hair’s width below the surface.
Not to stereotype, but reminds of prison where everyone complains about capitalism without actually using that word (probably different now), but talk to them for more than 30 minutes annnnnd yup that’s antisemitism again. Fucking hell.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de
on 22 Jun 14:05
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Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 22 Jun 14:15
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That’s a great way of saying this. I used to enjoy talking about this stuff and when people would question if I believed any of it I’d have to explain I just like thought experiments and writing syfy shorts.
Yeah! It’s like just considering these things is fun and enriching. You might let yourself get swept away in the fantasy a bit, but ultimately you’re telling yourself different stories.
So they only ever feel like stories, and not like, a whole to paradigm that you’re going to flash your BIOS with rofl. Just maybe run it in a sandbox/cgroup and see if anything actually fun or inspiring comes out.
I remember a game I played ~9 years ago where you could send ships to explore the world and when they got back you had the option to reject their findings. If you never rejected anything, the world would be exactly like Earth, but everytime you rejected it would randomize the section that had been explored and over time it would start generating a whole new world.
And you could even make the planet flat by rejecting the discovery of it being round.
Adding to the requests for a name. I put your post into Gemini and it gave me a few choices, but all clearly wrong, before giving up and saying “it must be some obscure indie title”.
Tried again with the “deeper thinking” version. Reus by chance?
Yeah, so “AI” is just text prediction. It won’t give you results that haven’t been talked about a lot (accurate or otherwise). It’s not actually using intelligence and trying to find the answer, so it’s useless for something like this.
Yes, and I was hoping it would find articles or game descriptions that would give it an answer. I wasn’t expecting magic. I was expecting it to pull from its sources and regurgitate an answer. GTFO of here trying to “wElL AcKsHuLly, AI is…”
Crazy of me to think that in all the games journalism it’s pulled from that it might know. For the record, the answers it did give me were close and it was able to articulate why those answers might not be right because they didn’t meet all of my criteria and it elaborated as to why. The answer I got was actually fairly helpful, unlike whatever you just dumped out.
Sure, but you adding a comment which you admit was wrong and just AI slop didn’t help anything. If you’re trying to find niche information, AI probably won’t work. It doesn’t matter the resources it has. It isn’t thinking. It just pulls things that have the most relevancy, which will by definition be things that are more common, not accurate. It’ll help you find popular titles, but not niche ones with very little written on them.
If I had said I searched it it wouldn’t be any different.
Get off your high horse and honestly, fuck you. You’re just a troll.
My comment also asked for the title and actually got that as a response.
All you’ve done is shit everywhere and show what a collassal jackass you are. Read the room. No one gives a shit. We’re talking about the game and you’re going off on some stupid half baked AI tangent.
And I’d do it again you fucking neckbeard. I don’t owe you shit. Don’t start a conversation trying to be a know it all douche and you wouldnt get treated like a know it all douche.
Now, you have 2 choices: you can stay here and keep responding and prove you’re a retarded troll…
Or you can fuck off. I think I already made it pretty clear that I value your opinion lower than pond scum, so what are you hoping to accomplish?
But go ahead, maybe next time I’ll have AI write my insults for me. You can choke on that slop.
And I’d do it again you fucking neckbeard. I don’t owe you shit. Don’t start a conversation trying to be a know it all douche and you wouldnt get treated like a know it all douche.
What the fuck are you doing? Don’t be an asshole and you won’t be treated like an asshole. I posted a comment and you just go off the rails insulting me. What’s wrong with you?
Now, you have 2 choices: you can stay here and keep responding and prove you’re a retarded troll…
Or you can fuck off. I think I already made it pretty clear that I value your opinion lower than pond scum, so what are you hoping to accomplish?
You have the same choices. You clearly do value my opinion or it wouldn’t have upset you so much. You’ve sent several responses, and even a PM, to insult me. I’m not bothered, but clearly you care. Maybe try to figure out why and work on yourself. You can be healthier.
Not everyone who doesn’t understand ai is a troll, and there are legitimate reasons to want to avoid using it, even when it is useful. I’ve got you both tagged as “cool” on my client so I’m assuming you’re both capable of chillness.
Not to high horse you, but maybe a little bit; the internet is a nice place when you don’t immediately assume trolling because someone disagrees with you.
shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jun 18:09
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Oh my god that’s so cool I wish I’d thought of it. It’s similar to this idea I’ve been mulling over about a world where areas are fixed/dynamic based on how certain people are about them. But that is a better implementation than anything I sketched up.
Falling for conspiracy theories is a mental disorder. They’re failing to process information critically. They couldn’t write anything because writing requires skill, persistence, and consistency.
I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org
on 22 Jun 18:50
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Here’s an updated map. AFAIK, the author isn’t actually a flat earther, but made this to meme on all the conspiracy theories at once. And also for the love of worldbuilding.
programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 Jun 18:23
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And they also made and explanation post. It is unironically pretty good.
Other way around. If your fantasy / sci-fi novel does not sell well, rebrand it as a new groundbreaking “history”. Include how it gets ridiculed by main stream science that does maliciously ignore all the evidence.
You have instantly gained a huge, uncritical customer and fan base.
Edited a few typos.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jun 15:51
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Silly L. Ron Hubbard, trying to convince people to follow in your footsteps again?
Seriously? I heard it was one of the worst movies of all time so I stayed away. Or was it because of the scientology? Like if I ignore that, is it pretty decent?
“verges on so bad it’s good” so to me that says that it’s about as bad as it can possibly get, before crossing the line into something I can laugh at, would that be an accurate representation?
I never saw the movie, but I can accept mediocre for the book. I thought it was a fun take aliens and alternative history. The writing style is a bit like a morally superior american, but I can read past that (…I guess, because I completely forgot that part).
It’s been a long time since I read the book, but I remeber it being medicore late golden era. Hubbard had no understanding of radiation and his characters tended to be good or evil without a lot of nuance.
*Hubbard/Herbert
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
on 22 Jun 17:47
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-reads up on new Flat Earth lore-
…did…did a Flat Earth lore creator watch Attack on Titan recently…?
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
on 23 Jun 01:26
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My god…
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
on 23 Jun 02:02
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…you know what Discworld x AoT would kind of be a banger. Might have to go see if someone ever wrote fanfiction about that (should I write fanfiction about that???)
Aot? And sure why not I read some of that. What I have read so far I enjoyed.
godlessworm@hexbear.net
on 22 Jun 19:35
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i bet those books would suck tbh. the conspiracies they come up with for the most part aren’t even imaginative
if someone said “i just thought of a great idea for a fantasy world for a book im gonna write. you know how the earth is round? what if… it wasn’t?” you would just be like “why?” and none of these people have ever been able to answer that
What if the world was flat, like a disc. A discworld, so to say. And it is like this because the corner of the cosmos it floats through is just a bit more absurd than regular reality.
He’s pretty good at worldbuilding, too. And so far his worlds are actual spherical planets.
buttnugget@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 04:52
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Mormonism and BYU need to be abolished.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jun 23:45
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Whats BYU? Also, dont get me wrong morminism like wow, how could anyone today believe it? But on the other hand, my main one, calling for the ablosihment of a religion is , uhhh, a little trumpey if you ask me.
Brigham Young University, a place so dedicated to education that they censor genitals in anatomy textbooks.
I’m not calling for the Mormon religion itself to be abolished, I’m calling for the organization itself to be abolished. The difference between Catholicism and the Catholic Church, let’s say.
This makes the end of The Wheel of Time make more sense.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jun 23:41
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Asking is good faith, been some years since i read wot. What part of morminism made it into those last books?
Dont get me wrong, what a lot of us see as “prudish” shows up in his writing, but ive only noticed it in his stuff, not the wot ending.
I was too busy crying when spoiler i dont how to black out matt saved the orphan kid whos now his family while the kid is crying in hell or its equivalent and matt is the first one to ever come back…
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
on 23 Jun 01:24
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Fun fact. I made a fictional world that is a flat earth (flat planet?) I just found the implications of such a world to be fascinating and went with it.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 Jun 20:24
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Turned out, writing interesting compelling stories is hard actually. You need way more than an idea, especially if your idea is “what if true things, but the opposite”
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Uncensored.
I can actually read the map now! Appreciate it.
Uncensored both in that the actual censorship is removed but also that it hasn’t been compressed to shit so we can read and see the details.
Thanks!
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I should call her…
Conspiracy theorists don’t have the imagination to write fantasy literature. They can’t account for the inconsistencies in their theories and 99% of the time the reason they give for why a certain thing is the way it is amounts to: “the Jews did it”.
JKR can’t write a consistent world that makes sense either.
Well, she is a conspiracy theorist too. Mostly directed at trans people.
Yeah I remember loving all that conspiracy, X-Files, Umberto, past lives, lost cities, etc etc — all that stuff. But scratch at any of it and it’s always some of the dullest, unimaginative reactionary bullshit just a hair’s width below the surface.
Not to stereotype, but reminds of prison where everyone complains about capitalism without actually using that word (probably different now), but talk to them for more than 30 minutes annnnnd yup that’s antisemitism again. Fucking hell.
It’s turtles, all the way down.
Nah, just one turtle with 4 elephants on top, holding a flat world.
All hail Great A’Tuin.
Surprised nobody mentioned this earlier.
That’s a great way of saying this. I used to enjoy talking about this stuff and when people would question if I believed any of it I’d have to explain I just like thought experiments and writing syfy shorts.
Yeah! It’s like just considering these things is fun and enriching. You might let yourself get swept away in the fantasy a bit, but ultimately you’re telling yourself different stories.
So they only ever feel like stories, and not like, a whole to paradigm that you’re going to flash your BIOS with rofl. Just maybe run it in a sandbox/cgroup and see if anything actually fun or inspiring comes out.
Pardon the opaque metaphors.
There’s a novella that toys with the concept of an endless, flat world app.thestorygraph.com/…/a6f9dcca-1b82-45dd-ba41-7…
I remember a game I played ~9 years ago where you could send ships to explore the world and when they got back you had the option to reject their findings. If you never rejected anything, the world would be exactly like Earth, but everytime you rejected it would randomize the section that had been explored and over time it would start generating a whole new world.
And you could even make the planet flat by rejecting the discovery of it being round.
That sounds interesting. Do you recall the name?
Found it in my history, it’s Neo Atlas 1469.
I reject your findings.
I want to play this
Adding to the requests for a name. I put your post into Gemini and it gave me a few choices, but all clearly wrong, before giving up and saying “it must be some obscure indie title”.
Tried again with the “deeper thinking” version. Reus by chance?
Neo Atlas 1469
Thanks!
Yeah, so “AI” is just text prediction. It won’t give you results that haven’t been talked about a lot (accurate or otherwise). It’s not actually using intelligence and trying to find the answer, so it’s useless for something like this.
Yes, and I was hoping it would find articles or game descriptions that would give it an answer. I wasn’t expecting magic. I was expecting it to pull from its sources and regurgitate an answer. GTFO of here trying to “wElL AcKsHuLly, AI is…”
Crazy of me to think that in all the games journalism it’s pulled from that it might know. For the record, the answers it did give me were close and it was able to articulate why those answers might not be right because they didn’t meet all of my criteria and it elaborated as to why. The answer I got was actually fairly helpful, unlike whatever you just dumped out.
Sure, but you adding a comment which you admit was wrong and just AI slop didn’t help anything. If you’re trying to find niche information, AI probably won’t work. It doesn’t matter the resources it has. It isn’t thinking. It just pulls things that have the most relevancy, which will by definition be things that are more common, not accurate. It’ll help you find popular titles, but not niche ones with very little written on them.
If I had said I searched it it wouldn’t be any different.
Get off your high horse and honestly, fuck you. You’re just a troll.
My comment also asked for the title and actually got that as a response.
All you’ve done is shit everywhere and show what a collassal jackass you are. Read the room. No one gives a shit. We’re talking about the game and you’re going off on some stupid half baked AI tangent.
Go touch some grass.
I’m not the one who started insulting people. “Read the room.”
And I’d do it again you fucking neckbeard. I don’t owe you shit. Don’t start a conversation trying to be a know it all douche and you wouldnt get treated like a know it all douche.
Now, you have 2 choices: you can stay here and keep responding and prove you’re a retarded troll…
Or you can fuck off. I think I already made it pretty clear that I value your opinion lower than pond scum, so what are you hoping to accomplish?
But go ahead, maybe next time I’ll have AI write my insults for me. You can choke on that slop.
What the fuck are you doing? Don’t be an asshole and you won’t be treated like an asshole. I posted a comment and you just go off the rails insulting me. What’s wrong with you?
You have the same choices. You clearly do value my opinion or it wouldn’t have upset you so much. You’ve sent several responses, and even a PM, to insult me. I’m not bothered, but clearly you care. Maybe try to figure out why and work on yourself. You can be healthier.
Not everyone who doesn’t understand ai is a troll, and there are legitimate reasons to want to avoid using it, even when it is useful. I’ve got you both tagged as “cool” on my client so I’m assuming you’re both capable of chillness.
Not to high horse you, but maybe a little bit; the internet is a nice place when you don’t immediately assume trolling because someone disagrees with you.
That’s a super cool gameplay idea.
Oh my god that’s so cool I wish I’d thought of it. It’s similar to this idea I’ve been mulling over about a world where areas are fixed/dynamic based on how certain people are about them. But that is a better implementation than anything I sketched up.
Falling for conspiracy theories is a mental disorder. They’re failing to process information critically. They couldn’t write anything because writing requires skill, persistence, and consistency.
I’d say education disorder, not mental disorder
And writing, particularly editing, requires considering multiple possibilities and disregarding the bad ones.
Here’s an updated map. AFAIK, the author isn’t actually a flat earther, but made this to meme on all the conspiracy theories at once. And also for the love of worldbuilding.
And they also made and explanation post. It is unironically pretty good.
so Asgard and Atlantis are real after all
Don’t be ridiculous. They have a world-sized serpent, not an ice wall, which is completely illogical.
Other way around. If your fantasy / sci-fi novel does not sell well, rebrand it as a new groundbreaking “history”. Include how it gets ridiculed by main stream science that does maliciously ignore all the evidence.
You have instantly gained a huge, uncritical customer and fan base.
Edited a few typos.
Silly L. Ron Hubbard, trying to convince people to follow in your footsteps again?
Lol this is exactly where my mind went after reading the op as well
Battlefield earth is unironically good though
One of John Travolta’s greatest roles
Travolta should perform all his roles on a slant.
Seriously? I heard it was one of the worst movies of all time so I stayed away. Or was it because of the scientology? Like if I ignore that, is it pretty decent?
It’s a terrible movie. Verges on so bad it’s good. Uses more dutch angles than a crooked windmill.
Book was mediocre with a Mary Sue main that had Goodboy for a last name.
“verges on so bad it’s good” so to me that says that it’s about as bad as it can possibly get, before crossing the line into something I can laugh at, would that be an accurate representation?
Yeah, drunk or stoned with a group of SF nerds shit talking it would be a fun party, actually.
Ok, so it is watchable under the right conditions?
Yes, but I would recommend being fucked up and in the company of others.
Don’t go there alone or you will only find sadness and anger.
Lmao! Noted.
I never saw the movie, but I can accept mediocre for the book. I thought it was a fun take aliens and alternative history. The writing style is a bit like a morally superior american, but I can read past that (…I guess, because I completely forgot that part).
It’s been a long time since I read the book, but I remeber it being medicore late golden era. Hubbard had no understanding of radiation and his characters tended to be good or evil without a lot of nuance.
*Hubbard/Herbert
-reads up on new Flat Earth lore- …did…did a Flat Earth lore creator watch Attack on Titan recently…?
So basically Disc World?
My god…
…you know what Discworld x AoT would kind of be a banger. Might have to go see if someone ever wrote fanfiction about that (should I write fanfiction about that???)
Aot? And sure why not I read some of that. What I have read so far I enjoyed.
i bet those books would suck tbh. the conspiracies they come up with for the most part aren’t even imaginative
if someone said “i just thought of a great idea for a fantasy world for a book im gonna write. you know how the earth is round? what if… it wasn’t?” you would just be like “why?” and none of these people have ever been able to answer that
What if the world was flat, like a disc. A discworld, so to say. And it is like this because the corner of the cosmos it floats through is just a bit more absurd than regular reality.
Brandon Sanderson is a Mormon and is a professor at BYU. I interpret his works as Mormon fanfiction.
He’s pretty good at worldbuilding, too. And so far his worlds are actual spherical planets.
Mormonism and BYU need to be abolished.
Whats BYU? Also, dont get me wrong morminism like wow, how could anyone today believe it? But on the other hand, my main one, calling for the ablosihment of a religion is , uhhh, a little trumpey if you ask me.
Brigham Young University, a place so dedicated to education that they censor genitals in anatomy textbooks.
I’m not calling for the Mormon religion itself to be abolished, I’m calling for the organization itself to be abolished. The difference between Catholicism and the Catholic Church, let’s say.
Trumpy is a funny word though!
This makes the end of The Wheel of Time make more sense.
Asking is good faith, been some years since i read wot. What part of morminism made it into those last books?
Dont get me wrong, what a lot of us see as “prudish” shows up in his writing, but ive only noticed it in his stuff, not the wot ending.
I was too busy crying when spoiler i dont how to black out matt saved the orphan kid whos now his family while the kid is crying in hell or its equivalent and matt is the first one to ever come back…
I was kidding. ;)
Fun fact. I made a fictional world that is a flat earth (flat planet?) I just found the implications of such a world to be fascinating and went with it.
Hell yes! I totally use ley lines, contrails, and all sorts of crap in my DMing. It works crazy well and has so much documentation my job is easier.
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Turned out, writing interesting compelling stories is hard actually. You need way more than an idea, especially if your idea is “what if true things, but the opposite”
For that you need to come up with something coherent