Clueless about Biology
from fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz on 07 Sep 2024 14:58
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from fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz on 07 Sep 2024 14:58
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The lore is that the saarlac actually keeps you alive while digesting you. ~~Like, it puts roots in that act as life support so it has a constant source of protein or whatever. ~~ eh, that last but might not be accurate but there is some kind of enzyme in their stomach that keeps you alive? Whatever.
That makes as much sense as The Matrix using people for energy. You can’t feed people to keep them alive and get more energy out than just digesting (or in the Matrix burning) that food for energy.
Maybe you get “digested” in the sense that you get incorporated into the sarlacc’s body, like it’s using you in a parasitic sense. It makes you one of its internal organs, and it keeps you alive as it slowly uses you up over the course of a thousand years (assuming we take that phrase literally). I think acting as a gall bladder for an underground sand monster sounds like a fate worse than death.
Isn’t that basically the mechanism of how early complex cells formed millions of years ago.
First it was just basic cells … they fed off one another and at one point … one cell became incorporated into the other and essentially evolved into an organ of the cell … like mitochondria inside the cell, isn’t it basically thought that it was one it’s own organism at one point and just evolved into an organ inside other cells.
Same with the human body. I think the estimate is that we are only about 50% of our own generated cells and the rest is just other beneficial cooperative bacteria our body has evolved to take advantage of.
So the Sarlac taking you in is just incorporating you into it’s body for some function and keeping you alive to fulfill that role … you just happen to be conscious of it and unable to escape the entire time over a thousand years.
I could be wrong, but I think the original idea for the matrix was that they were using human brains for processing power and not energy. But someone in the movie making process decided people wouldn’t understand that and instead went with the battery analogy.
Morpheus is the only one we ever hear the battery analogy from anyway. He might well be wrong about that interpretation, and the brain processors are what’s really going on.
My headcanon is that he tried the more technical and correct explanation, but most people he told it to started to go a bit glassy-eyed during that part, so he simplified his pitch.
The showing of the battery is a good visual to sell the explanation too, regardless of it not making sense “realistically”
I believe Switch refers to Neo as coppertop at some point which would be the battery analogy as well too.
They’ve probably all heard the speech at some point. Except those born at Zion.
Also there’s plenty of precedent for everyone being wrong about something big, like everything revolving around Earth.
Studio executives made the decision, you know… because there hasn’t be a long list of projects they’ve fucked over the years with their notes. 🙄
I feel so bad for the people who remade The Thing because the studio executives literally forced them to make everything CGI.
Sort of a remake, sort of a prequel.
A premake
And IIRC it was after they had made a bunch of practical effects, so it’s not like it was saving them money or anything. The execs literally just said “re-do these parts but worse”.
The humans blocked out the sun, and probably dashed all other power sources available to the Machines. What you have left are self-replicating humans. Makes sense to keep them alive and farm them just enough to tide you over before their next breeding cycle
How do you farm anything without the sun?
that’s what they did, I guess got food from indoor farms?
That takes a ton of electricity. How do you power the indoor farms?
Well they scorched the sky which created lots of wind and lightning storms. Maybe they harnessed those sources, or this being the future, used the scant antimatter generated from each strike?
So they do have energy sources after all! So tell me again why do they need to farm humans?
Mmm I’m beginning to see. Even in their own lore, Operation Dark Storm was a failure that crippled humanity and only temporarily halted the machines.
They just eat the other humans remains, duh!
The real reason is the machines are using all the human brains to fake generative AI responses to keep share prices going up in line with their original programming.
You also can’t choke people with your mind so idk what your point is
Could be it’s using you for nutrients it can’t get normally, so it keeps you alive to milk you for your calcium or whatever for as long as it can.
Like mitochondria
I thought it also used them for neural CPU cycles but maybe I’m misremembering
No, that’s exactly the original thing. “Wetware”, basically… But test audiences got upset and confused, so it was changed to “batteries.”
The batteries things was also Morpheus’s explanation, and not necessarily a definitive fact of the fictive universe. Morpheus could have been talking out of his ass, or deliberately over-simplifying for the benefit of Neo, who he knew was kind of a dumbass.
I think that was the original idea but they changed it to energy because they thought the audience wouldn’t understand the CPU stuff.
The sarlaac isn’t eating your body; it’s eating your mind.
It could be that their prey’s bodies are used for chemical reactions that their own body is incapable of.
The original script for the Matrix had the machines use human brains for data processing, but the Wachowskis were told by the studio to simplify it.
Sarlac that lost the ability to grow ‘roots’ and instead worked out venom and energy storage (fat and muscle) would outcompete and supplant the sarlacs still producing energetically-expensive, overly-complicated stasis bellies.
What happens if they momentarily fail to keep their meals alive, do they starve or become poisoned by the rotting meat? Do they have issues keeping a varied diet alive? How do they maintain a net positive energy balance after producing all that is required to keep organisms alive? Why not stun them and stash them, like wasps and spiders? Why not fatten up like -gestures broadly at all life-. Fat requires very little maintenance.
Could one, in theory, rescue one’s friends were they trapped in a sarlac?
Sounds like an organism that would quickly be out of business were there any competition at all.
edit: How do they handle the waste produced by the meals-in-stasis?
As long as we’re coming up with overly convoluted reasons that a minor plot device from a fantasy space opera makes sense in a rigorous scientific way, why not assume that they were genetically engineered specifically as a torturous punishment for the Hutt syndicate? Bioengineering is apparently canon, so there’s in-universe justification.
Tbf that’s totally something the Hutt clan would do
Wouldn’t Jabba being ‘stupid as fuck’ and making erroneous claims about nature be the less convoluted answer here? Bioengineering, canon or not, sounds like the more complicated explanation.
This is what I hate about Star Wars lore. Same with the parsecs gaffe (I think it’s even pointed out in the screenplay that Han is transparently bullshitting them).
Both of these make sense, but no. They had to make super convoluted explanations in secondary sources and everyone treats that as gospel for some reason.
What? starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sarlacc
Luke seems clueless about how information is conveyed in conversation
C3PO is translating for him
Nah, he’s just giving Jabba the silent treatment.
The worst thing about this is ‘threepio’
The worst worst part is that’s actually how it’s spelled in novelizations (or at least how they used to spell it). Artoo-Detoo and See-Threepio.
I’ve never read a Star Wars book but this makes me unreasonably
unsetupset.You should get reset
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I used to have a copy of the original novelization of ANH I could post a picture of that had it but I have no idea what happened to it.
…Why?
Because the only rational reason to spell it Artoo-Detoo and See-Threepio is if they got paid by the word and they wanted to bolster their paycheck? The alternative that they somehow thought this was a good idea is even worse.
I’m pretty sure it was so they would look more like real names, because Star Wars treated robots (droids) like actual characters which was rare at the time.
Threepio and theee-pee-oh sound different so I understand it in a script. That’s it though.
FBI not eff-bee-eye.
NTP not en-tee-pee.
RNC not arr-en-cee.
If you ever decide to try it don’t bother with any of them that came out after Disney took over. Almost all of them are trash.
I was seven when I learned this and I’ve always hated it.
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Have I got some ‘news’ for you:
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Damn, I quite like that now.
This is hilarious
Not just 70s and 80s, even 90s and 2000s. I grew up in 2000s thinking it is called Arturito, and I’m sure a lot of people (mostly non fans) think the same.
Pedro Pascal has said this in an interview too lol. It’s so cute! Lil Arthur!
I worked with an Arturo once and his nickname was R2
That’s a good one!
It’s symbiotic guys, the sarlaac obviously gives you nutrients to keep you alive as it extracts nutrients it needs.
Like carbon dioxide and oxygen from plants.
Well we know Tatooine orbits a pair of stars somehow and it’s still in the Goldilocks zone just enough to make it semi habitable still. My assumption is that these are white dwarfs or something smallish.
Could this be explained that the local year is much shorter? Add in that Hutt is well versed in his own biology which assuming a he isn’t strangled by a tentacle, could be slowly digested alive for a 1000 Tatooine years? He probably forgets that about his pathetic cute biped pets.
Just gonna point out that Tatooine used to be green and blue then the ancestors of the Jawa and Tusken did a slave revolt, the Rakata took offense to that so they made it glass.
Atleast thats true for legends and I frankly dont give a fuck what Disney has to say.
Speaking of which, there’s actually a fairly compelling theory that Tattoine is the human home world in Star Wars. We know a few things about the origin of humanity in Star Wars, but it’s all from the time humanity was an unimportant slave race to the Rakatan Empire. We also know Tuskens are later biological descendants of humans that genetically split after the Rakatans fell, and that the Rakatans directly raided Tattoine for slaves, meaning Tattoine was at least one source of original flavor human when it was still a relatively minor species in the galaxy.
The other in-galaxy option is Coruscant but honestly that’s kind of boring. It’s also quite far from Tattoine so it’d be weird if Tattoine was just some random human colony.
And the technically movie-canon answer is Earth and humans are an exo-galactic invasive species but that’s not as fun.
Honestly I go with the Exo-galactic refugee hypothesis kinda like the Vong for the majority of humans but that there is also a native human population in the galaxy as well. Though the reason for humanity’s supremacy in star wars has to do with the Pius Dea, which to summarize were basically when the Republic went full Imperium of Man and started purging xenos.
Well there’s no reason both theories can’t be true, Tattoine being the first major colony of the exo-galactic humanity and such. Or just convergent evolution, it’s not like Star Wars actually cares about scientific details.
I wasn’t aware of the human supremacy era of the Republic. That’s a wild bit of history to casually drop as background details in a book about Darth Plagueis. I guess it explains where Palpatine got his idea of humanocentrism as a control mechanism from though.
It makes sense that a lot of lore is just kinda dropped, you aint gonna be making references to the 4th crusade unless it comes up vaguely.
The Great Catholic Betrayal is always relevant!
Maybe your body is digested over a thousand years because the Sarlaac doesn’t catch very much prey so it has evolved a hyper-efficient digestive system and sits dormant most of the time, but also once you’re in Luke’s right and you’ll actually die of crushing or acid burning or dehydration.
But they also call it “The Almighty Sarlaac”, which to me implies that this is all folk knowledge. So maybe “be digested over a thousand years” is just what Tatooinians believe will happen to anyone who falls in.
Yeah, I can imagine the locals would tell the younglings “don’t play near the Sarlaac Pit! It’ll eat you for a thousand years!”
The sarlaac keeps you alive, duh
Choogana goona, youwanna wonga. Ah ha ha ha!
You damn sure Iwanna wonga.
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They absorb their prey into their own bodies
It’s Star Wars. Of course someone took an offhand comment that wasn’t meant to be thought of past the scene it’s in and wrote a whole story about it.
It’s canon
Whose canon?
Mine! Although it doesn’t work anymore :(
Well if people like OP are going to hate on it of course someones going to work out an explanation for it.
Even if Luke’s right, it’s not like being held down by tentacles while stomach acid slowly burns every part of your body until you finally die of dehydration doesn’t sound pretty painful.
FIRST escape? Did he do it again??
m.youtube.com/watch?v=KK-GGYXf7Tc
God, Jabba, you stupid fuck. Don’t you know anything? I mean, fuck!