And it’s immediately consumed usually, or is frozen and its composition differs from cows milk and is designed for human consumption.
Don’t know why you brought that up, unless it’s to point out how stupid people are thinking unpasteurized cows milk is drinkable because human milk doesn’t need to be.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 13:48
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Also, unlike cows, humans generally tend to give lots of outside signals of having listeriosis.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 14:09
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They’re less likely to have shit on them, too.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 14:47
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That’s true. That’s not what listeria though, but it does cause most of the other scary milk diseases.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 07 Sep 19:31
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There it is. Now you can all see it! This is the violence inherent in the system!
Zephorah@discuss.online
on 07 Sep 14:15
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I think it was a joke. A little levity in the midst of all this chaos and intentional hardship.
Yes, the deal with dairy farmers drinking the unpasteurized milk from their cows daily is that it’s consumed within 24hrs and then replaced with the next days milk.
RFK is a dipshit and MAGA is likely running with him for two reasons. Cutting FDA regs, insurance policing, fluoride, and vaccines save money. (Put another way, it keeps “their” money where it belongs, away from the working class.) It also thins the herd in the continuing decline of available resources while the planet fails.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 15:04
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is designed
No design was involved in the process of evolution
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 16:23
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Don’t know why you brought that up
It’s called humour. And some people in the comments actually got the joke.
It’s obvious that “unpasteurized milk” is referring to cow’s milk. Don’t get pissed at me when you can’t understand humour.
And before you say anything, we’re in a memes community. It shouldn’t be a surprise that people are trying to make jokes here
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 19:37
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It could possibly be from your clueless comment making me out to be satan.
It was a bit…. curdled
Your sense of comedy is far, far worse than mine.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 19:51
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Nah, it’s that saying things that actual morons think isn’t funny. It used to be funny when it was considered so ridiculous that no one would realistically believe it, but we don’t live in those times any more.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 19:57
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Nah, it’s that saying things that actual morons think isn’t funny
Are you saying that breast milk is normally pasteurized?
Because that’s what your comment implies
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 20:15
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No, but it is something I’ve heard actual shit-infested milk drinkers say to defend their practice.
I did not know pasturized breastmilk was a commodity product.
Zephorah@discuss.online
on 07 Sep 14:05
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I lol’d.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Sep 20:52
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A joke doesn’t work when it’s indistinguishable from the stuff that people actually say
You are on a written medium, where there is no tone, body language, or otherwise wider context. What do you expect to happen? People can’t read your mind
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 21:03
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or otherwise wider context
The knowledge that the issue with people drinking unpasterized milk happens with cow milk is the wider context.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Sep 21:06
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I’ve literally seen people argue that since breast milk is unpasteurized then raw cow milk is fine
themeatbridge@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 23:38
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Poe’s law, my dude. There are definitely dipshits who make the argument that milk doesn’t need to be pasteurized because breast milk isn’t pasteurized.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 14:18
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I don’t know, man. I saw a Facebook poll saying ad populum isn’t a thing.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 13:22
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This also exposed just how many stupid people are out there. We all assumed that making infinite knowledge available would be the rising tide which lifts all boats; instead, the rising tide is a tsunami of idiocy and willful ignorance.
I know that I was completely wrong in this regard. You know, like how Mark Twain said something like travel was anathema to bigotry.
So, I thought that the reason bigotry existed was that people are afraid of the unknown, so if you forced people together, they’d have to realize that we’re all the same.
But now I realize that the main reason bigotry exists is that people are staying in contact with other bigots. The part about meeting diverse people is important, but far less important than pulling people out of their comfort zone to combat bigotry. So, the internet amplifies bigotry, because they’ll never be out-of-contact with their local bigots, even if they travel away from them.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 13:55
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Can we please just make network that has a higher barrier to entry than spending 1000 dollars on an iPhone but through a 4 year loans?
And before some c suite fuck head reads this, I don’t mean cost more money. I mean cost just a tiny bit more intellectually.
bigchungus@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 07 Sep 14:02
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Are we not already on such a network? There are some here that moan about the Fediverse being too hard of a concept for the laymen to wrap their heads around. I do not disagree with them, but I like to see it as a moron filter that doesn't seem to exist on most other places on the internet.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Sep 14:13
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I mean, I just went to a site and made an account.
Facebook has the same barriers in place, and ironically enough, I can view our content without an account and not theirs.
black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Sep 14:11
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I mean, a lotta fucking Nazis knew what TCP/IP was back in the 80s, too.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 07 Sep 19:38
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In this regard, I absolutely have come to agree.
I always say: “The Internet should be for anyone! But it shouldn’t have been for everyone .”
Its not anti science to not blindly trust science. Its actual science to try and verify observations. Sure, most people dont have those skills to properly know what they are observing, but I think its good if people try to learn.
I learned tons of stuff about the common pitfalls about measuring the curvature of the earth by looking at flat earth arguments and seeing what science says about them.
Today you can throw those arguments into chat gpt and get a decent summary of how anything actual works.
Using lasers to track earth curvature across a big lake for example, absolutely fascinating to see why it doesnt work as you may expect.
OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org
on 07 Sep 13:43
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My brother is a crank because ChatGPT enables him.
godlessworm@hexbear.net
on 07 Sep 13:04
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the internet isn’t to be blamed. capitalism is. capitalists have weaponized the internet against the population and created these people because when people are uninformed they’re easier to exploit and manipulate
the internet is an incredible tool. it’s controlled by the worst pieces of shit satan could have ever imagined tho
thats a strange view to hold considering how many communists predate the internet
you don’t think existing in late stage capitalism would have turned you into a communist regardless? there’s a reason in the last 100 years western governments have devoted so much money to crushing communism
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Sep 13:29
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Tbf, the same was said about the printing press back then
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io
on 07 Sep 13:37
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Third part should be, “We pasteurize milk for a good fucking reason.”
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com
on 07 Sep 14:59
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Wrong. Flat Earthers do think the Earth is round.
The rest of us think it’s spherical.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca
on 07 Sep 16:23
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Oblong spheroid to be pedantic.
I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org
on 07 Sep 17:00
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I have an oblong hemorrhoid
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca
on 07 Sep 18:19
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You should get that checked out
witty_username@feddit.nl
on 07 Sep 16:39
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Latest and greatest flat earth is that Antarctica is a wall that encircles us all. Well, it encircles the land that us normies are allowed to know about. Beyond the Antarctic wall lies a vastness of land that us normies are kept unaware of. I am not sure why. It was something to do with the riches of the secret land. Also, no one knows how far the land stretches. So the earth is flat but we don’t know how far it goes so we don’t know what the shape is really.
Just to be perfectly clear: I am not a flat earther and I don’t believe any of the above. It’s a load of (very entertaining) nonsense. Keep the documentaries coming please!
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org
on 07 Sep 18:19
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I have also heard the story, that the earth is in fact a sphere, but the rest of it is covered in ice also known as the antarctica
I work with someone who believes the flat earth bullshit. Our company makes pharmaceutical actives, pretty much everyone there has degrees in science. Yet one guy persists with “the earth is flat”. I’m incredulous over the willful ignorance toward reality.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Sep 22:19
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Meanwhile, my parent gleefully explained that they were writing AN EMAIL to the PRESIDENT HIMSELF using my disease to assuage their feelings as they demanded he not let stem cell research happen. That’s a level of mental fuckery I could be happy about disappearing.
We lost about a decade of research because of that bullshit. At least.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Sep 15:29
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“Science” is so full of grifters and bullshit that I’m not surprised flat-earthism is flourishing.
“Scientists”, media, politicians, etc… today: I’ve created an artificial intelligence!!!
“Scientists”, media, politicians, etc… today: We found a bacteria (or whatever the fuck) that might solve global warmingsome climate issues that maybe don’t exist!!!
Actual scientists: The planet is literally being destroyed. Primarily by cars.
People: I don’t know what to believe.
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io
on 07 Sep 16:44
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Yeah there’s a problem with how science is portrayed to the general population. Most science is ”boring”. People want to hear about aliens, time travel and parallel universes.
Graphs showing that we should cut down our meat consumption is boring.
Stories about how a secret world state (possibly extradimensional lizards) is hiding a big ice wall from us is exciting.
Extreme longevity shows serious advancements (but in mice only).
Common let’s pile up some more good stuff!
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net
on 07 Sep 17:20
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Though overused; medication that effectively combats eating disorders.
I’d argue underused / inappropriately prescribed by social class. There are millions who could benefit from them who have poor access, while if you have money the Rx just gets thrown readily at your feet.
One of the most important ones that a lot of people use every day are the huge advancements that have been made in creating modern chips. It might not be something new and exciting, but it actually involves very groundbreaking work and huge breakthroughs. Not just the crazy machines that ASML makes, thought to be breaking the laws of physics just years ago. But also advancements in manufacturing, being able to create super advanced 3D structures and large scale manufacturing at a very high level, yet with a surprising consistency in quality and low cost. Not just for ever bigger, more efficient and faster chips, but also things like MEMS at tiny sizes and low cost.
Often it’s taken for granted what we have. People saying stuff to the sentiment that this isn’t the future, everything is boring, we haven’t got flying cars or people living on Mars. But the fact we all got this ultra powerful computer, with a high resolution high framerate self emitting screen, no active cooling, a bunch of sensors, lots of memory and storage and hyper connected to all sorts of networks, all powered by a high capacity high power low wear battery should be mind blowing. And not just that, but it fits in our pockets and they are so cheap everyone has at least one. Just because we’ve chosen to spec our tech tree into the small stuff instead of the large stuff, doesn’t mean we haven’t come a long way.
I think people look at the past at new “inventions” and think that’s the way progress is. New revolutionary stuff. It’s why people often invest in crowd funding of obvious scam products. They want something that changes the game. In reality it’s a lot of little steps that create a big change over time. And imho this has always been the case. We always hear about the Wright brothers “inventing” the airplane. Like they had some magic sauce and thought of something nobody else thought of before. Then made it and bam the world was changed. In reality they didn’t invent anything, they developed it. They made prototypes and iterative refinements. And they were far from the only ones working on the exact same concept. If they didn’t finish first, someone else would have within the same time frame. But the romantic story of two American blokes with the right stuff changing the world all on their own just sounds good.
So let’s also celebrate the thousands of smaller breakthroughs that got us where we are today.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 07 Sep 19:27
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You’re right, I try to remind myself to marvel at the incredibly cool science we wield every single day.
But I’m also pained because I understand where the “boring future” folks come from too:
Where would we be if all this incredible technology was actually designed for humanity and not simply for profits at all cost? If optimizing for humanity was the target instead of exploiting it?
Smartphones, for instance. Small, networked computers! In your pocket! Wow! I’ve always wanted a pocket laptop! But they sure don’t feel like it. They’re designed to be content (mainly ad) delivery devices and data miners first, and useful machines second.
(There are some tiny niche actual-computer palmtops now which are pretty cool.)
I think that’s the part that gets people kinda depressive about modern science breakthroughs. The coolest stuff, the working folk don’t even get to tangibly feel much benefit from.
Discovery is locked behind paywall research journals and implementation is marketed in the interests of capital and used against us to make us work harder for longer hours for less pay.
What’s happening to space is a VERY stark illustration of all this. NASA unifying humanity and working globally on projects like the ISS was INSPIRING.
Now it’s all about privatized interests and their stupid desires, like space hotels for the elite.
I bet we’d marvel at technology designed for human beings, and not sheer exploitation.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 08 Sep 01:15
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But the fact we all got this ultra powerful computer, with a high resolution high framerate self emitting screen, no active cooling, a bunch of sensors, lots of memory and storage and hyper connected to all sorts of networks, all powered by a high capacity high power low wear battery should be mind blowing.
I think it is still mindblowing in the gaming/simulation realm.
This is something that gets a lot of human passion poured in and (to an extent) gets hardware utilized quite efficiently. It’s also a miracle for number-crunching researchers, or those who’s only hope of investigating something is simulation, heh.
But yeah, it feels like other aspects got drowned in eshittification. My phone would be able to host the whole old internet, pretty much! There should be so much collaboration, but manpower is instead poured into reinventing corporate infrastructure like 100,000 times over?
Kratzkopf@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Sep 08:27
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I love your enthusiasm! But as someone who works in semiconductor development, I feel a bit like it is time to abandon this branch of the technology tree for now again. Maybe I am just disheartened from the PhD stress, but where does it really lead to right now? Following up on Moore’s Law right now just seems to promise higher efficiency and lower electricity demands while actually that is mainly greenwashing attempt IMO (lower resolution technologies are more energy and resurce efficient when considering resource demand during production; high device density leads usually to increase of the number of transistors which are operated parallely, so while the single FET is more efficient in dynamic operation, the whole chip might have much higher leakage). At the same time this efficiency is used as justification to just increase the calculation load whithout considering if it is useful (e.g. LLMs). Resources might be better allocated for More than Moore/architectural approaches e.g. for neuromorphic computing to actually reduce the immense AI computing load coming up.
Sorry for the rant, I think I gotta quit my job.
nBodyProblem@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 18:41
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Also, it’s engineers who land robots on other planets, not scientists
Tattorack@lemmy.world
on 07 Sep 19:36
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I’m not sure I mentioned anything about landing on other planets… However, engineering and science are closely related.
Yea, but apart from Higgs Boson, mRNA, salt Batteries, James Webb Space Telescope, cybernetic Limbs and CRISPR-cas9, what 'ave the Scientists ever done for us?
These are monetizable inventions, that are allowed, when big money backs them. Climate fuckery threatens incumbent big money, even when it threatens the little people’s property values and cost of living.
Gravity waves detection and cheap solar cells are mind-blowing to me. Gravity waves for just the sensitivity achieved and solar for how rapidly it’s improved. It used be a cute technology used in calculators, impossible to match economically turning a generator or directly burning stuff, and now it’s the default first choice.
mrbutterscotch@feddit.org
on 08 Sep 05:52
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Thank you. With all the awfull stuff going on the atm I tend to forget all the amazing things we humans still achieve.
I don’t want to downplay some of the amazing things in this list but i dint think the standard model of physics as made by humans can ever be completed.
What did happen is that something like HB must exists in order to make most of other things work. Now that we know HB is verifiably real we tied up a major loose end.
But there is still many stuff unanswered and a “complete model” would require constant revision.
The standard model of physics is not implying it has the answer to everything, or that there is nothing new to discover. The standard model of physics is the periodic table for fundamental particles. The bits that make up all the other parts.
The periodic table is predictive. From a few elements, the rest could be projected and expected, like the Higgs-Boson. The table makes no predictions for things we cannot measure and are in fact theoretical, like dark matter which lacks any empirical evidence. Would be awesome if it did because then it wouldn’t be theoretical anymore.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
on 08 Sep 17:28
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Whats the difference between expecting and predicting here?
BH was theoretical at first. The new breakthrough was empirical evidence.
Do not mix theory with hypothesis. A theory in science is a very big deal and needs a lot to be true in order to even reach theory status (which is why “string theory” isn’t a theory. More like “string idea”).
…The polar crust is very thin compared to the rest of the world and experiences much more volcanism and geothermal activity. Tectonic plates drifting hubward would shrink in size, usually becoming islands, and grow heading rimward due to the differences between the inner and outer radii. Plates moving rimward would rift and plates moving vice-versa would fold, resulting in mountainous landscapes in the hub. Because of the rapid rotation the surface gravity on the Torus is non-uniform, with the polar regions being 1.1 g, the rim 0.7 g, and the hub 0.8 g, so that the mountains are higher (on average) than those on Earth.
The iconic shape of the Torus is achieved through its ultra-fast rotational speed, which allows the centrifugal force to balance with its gravity. The high rotation deforms the body of the world, making it oval-shaped with a sharper edge in the hub along with making it oblate. The rotation also causes fast winds in many latitudes, ringed zonal climates, and a weak distribution of heat from the large inner radius, which leads to dramatic changes in temperature in different regions. An intense Coriolis effect is prevalent on The Torus that spawns frequent, but small cyclone and storm systems usually near the poles. The regions with lower gravity would experience higher cloud height and vice-versa for regions with higher gravity.
The days are very brief, only lasting 3.5 hours, and at the rim they resemble the days on Old Earth, but much shorter. However, due to The Torus’s tilt, the poles experience extended periods of day or night for the summer and winter months. The fast rotation results in the home star already rising past the atmosphere on the other side of the Torus that produces a Fall dusk and Spring sunrise showing off very short-lived, vibrant colors. The nights on the hub could be as light as a cloudy day from the reflection of light from the other side of the hub. The hub would also be fairly temperate with Fall and Spring shrouding parts of it in dark during the winter and summer months.
So this is a Wiki-style fiction set far in the future, with pan-galactic civilizations and super-AIs, made by people with vast knowledge in tech and science, keeping things feasible.
Intriguing.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 08 Sep 13:48
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Pretty much.
I wish it were more famous, as it’s a far more plausible extrapolation of a few hundred/thousand years into the future than Star Trek or whatever mod people envision.
It was one “scientist” who by all accounts was a massive fraud and anyone with any semblance of smarts recognised that almost immediately. That the world is full of idiots is the problem.
Wakefield did manage to fool peer reviewers and got his paper published in Lancet, a top-tier medical journal (and it took them 12 years to fully retract that paper). So I wouldn’t say people recognized that immediately.
(And I just kinda hate “things were better in the past” type of arguments, in general. Things were shit back then, and things are shit now.)
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 08 Sep 12:21
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One single comment by one shitty doctor in a magazine. He didn’t even say that. He basically said ‘some parent thought that maybe their child started to exhibit autism-like symptoms shortly after receiving a vaccine’.
I am not fucking kidding you. That was it! No study, no control groups, no sample size. Nothing. Just one stray comment that is shorter than this one I am writing now and it is the foundation of their entire theory.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Sep 14:01
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Andrew Wakefield definitely published discredited studies though… Or at least one.
Uh. No. It was a published paper in The Lancet, which they did not retract for 12 years.
MDs have a lot of blame here.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 08 Sep 14:28
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Look up Hbomberguy’s video on the matter. It was the lancet, but it was an erroneous publication. Rare, but it happens. The study was grade A bullshit.
What is the blame we should place on them? The whole point of science is that shitty theories and great theories live in the same space. They’re then evaluated by the collective body of scientists based upon the results of their tests. Eventually the shitty hypotheses dies off. No one is ever supposed to rely upon one study or even a few studies. It should take years and many studies before the results or conclusions should be relied upon by non-scientists.
So the blame is likely borne by a combination of the education system (explaining the importance of repeated scientific evaluation), the pervasiveness of lay “scientists” and *philosophers relying upon social media and other unreliable sources for their data, and the greater access that a random non-scientists have to studies that would normally be buried by time. Then you have people reaching their own conclusion and just finding a random study that supports that conclusion. That’s the exact opposite of what the scientific method requires. The push by conservatives over the last few decades to erode scientific education (i.e creationism) is probably more likely to blame than any one scientist, doctor or certainly the medical/scientific community.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Sep 04:02
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It took republicans a while to full dismantle everything. Their almost done now so, yay?
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
on 08 Sep 16:53
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I want to help them build that wall, so we can keep them inside, and watch what happens when a government does everything opposite of good.
omniman@anarchist.nexus
on 08 Sep 05:41
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webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
on 08 Sep 07:39
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Narrator: it was not the last time.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Sep 16:11
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Actually the physics model to use is typically the simplest one that works, i.e. that gets the job done.
When your job is to drive a truck to the nearest city, the curvature of the Earth is negligible and it’s simpler to assume that the earth is flat, so that is the model that you should use.
As such, yeah, for 99% of use cases, the earth is flat.
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Yes, the vaccines are… Are you feeding that baby unpasteurized milk?!? What the fuck, guys?
Tbf, breastmilk isn’t normally pasteurized
EDIT: If you can’t figure out that this comment is humour, you seriously need to go outside and touch grass
And it’s immediately consumed usually, or is frozen and its composition differs from cows milk and is designed for human consumption.
Don’t know why you brought that up, unless it’s to point out how stupid people are thinking unpasteurized cows milk is drinkable because human milk doesn’t need to be.
Also, unlike cows, humans generally tend to give lots of outside signals of having listeriosis.
They’re less likely to have shit on them, too.
That’s true. That’s not what listeria though, but it does cause most of the other scary milk diseases.
I hear thats a good way to determine if some one is King as well.
Bloody peasant.
There it is. Now you can all see it! This is the violence inherent in the system!
I think it was a joke. A little levity in the midst of all this chaos and intentional hardship.
Yes, the deal with dairy farmers drinking the unpasteurized milk from their cows daily is that it’s consumed within 24hrs and then replaced with the next days milk.
RFK is a dipshit and MAGA is likely running with him for two reasons. Cutting FDA regs, insurance policing, fluoride, and vaccines save money. (Put another way, it keeps “their” money where it belongs, away from the working class.) It also thins the herd in the continuing decline of available resources while the planet fails.
No design was involved in the process of evolution
It’s called humour. And some people in the comments actually got the joke.
It’s obvious that “unpasteurized milk” is referring to cow’s milk. Don’t get pissed at me when you can’t understand humour.
And before you say anything, we’re in a memes community. It shouldn’t be a surprise that people are trying to make jokes here
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From those two numbers I think you need to work on your comedy routine. It was a bit…. curdled
Now that was just sour.
Went tits up
It could possibly be from your clueless comment making me out to be satan.
Your sense of comedy is far, far worse than mine.
Nah, it’s that saying things that actual morons think isn’t funny. It used to be funny when it was considered so ridiculous that no one would realistically believe it, but we don’t live in those times any more.
Are you saying that breast milk is normally pasteurized?
Because that’s what your comment implies
No, but it is something I’ve heard actual shit-infested milk drinkers say to defend their practice.
Don’t cry over spilled milk 😂
More sycophants 🙄
If you don’t lighten up, these folks are just gonna keep milking it.
No sense in trying to argue with people like that.
Agreed.
It typically is pasteurized if it comes from a woman other than the baby’s own mother. If it is donated milk, for example.
I did not know pasturized breastmilk was a commodity product.
I lol’d.
A joke doesn’t work when it’s indistinguishable from the stuff that people actually say
You are on a written medium, where there is no tone, body language, or otherwise wider context. What do you expect to happen? People can’t read your mind
The knowledge that the issue with people drinking unpasterized milk happens with cow milk is the wider context.
I’ve literally seen people argue that since breast milk is unpasteurized then raw cow milk is fine
Poe’s law, my dude. There are definitely dipshits who make the argument that milk doesn’t need to be pasteurized because breast milk isn’t pasteurized.
Grass is not pasteurized.
No we’re feeding the baby unpasteurized goats.
With or without added helium?
Internet was a mistake. It gave all the anti science people and crackpots a platform for their ideas.
Making it easy was the mistake, the internet was great when knowing what tcp/ip actually is was a barrier to entry.
Gatekeeping isn’t a dirty word.
this would would only help our sanity, the stupid people would still be stupid, just not as loudly
Them being stupid, loudly, together, is making all of them stupider as individuals, too.
The ad populum fallacy on full display.
I don’t know, man. I saw a Facebook poll saying ad populum isn’t a thing.
This also exposed just how many stupid people are out there. We all assumed that making infinite knowledge available would be the rising tide which lifts all boats; instead, the rising tide is a tsunami of idiocy and willful ignorance.
I know that I was completely wrong in this regard. You know, like how Mark Twain said something like travel was anathema to bigotry.
So, I thought that the reason bigotry existed was that people are afraid of the unknown, so if you forced people together, they’d have to realize that we’re all the same.
But now I realize that the main reason bigotry exists is that people are staying in contact with other bigots. The part about meeting diverse people is important, but far less important than pulling people out of their comfort zone to combat bigotry. So, the internet amplifies bigotry, because they’ll never be out-of-contact with their local bigots, even if they travel away from them.
Can we please just make network that has a higher barrier to entry than spending 1000 dollars on an iPhone but through a 4 year loans?
And before some c suite fuck head reads this, I don’t mean cost more money. I mean cost just a tiny bit more intellectually.
Are we not already on such a network? There are some here that moan about the Fediverse being too hard of a concept for the laymen to wrap their heads around. I do not disagree with them, but I like to see it as a moron filter that doesn't seem to exist on most other places on the internet.
I mean, I just went to a site and made an account.
Facebook has the same barriers in place, and ironically enough, I can view our content without an account and not theirs.
I mean, a lotta fucking Nazis knew what TCP/IP was back in the 80s, too.
In this regard, I absolutely have come to agree.
I always say: “The Internet should be for anyone! But it shouldn’t have been for everyone .”
Its not anti science to not blindly trust science. Its actual science to try and verify observations. Sure, most people dont have those skills to properly know what they are observing, but I think its good if people try to learn.
I learned tons of stuff about the common pitfalls about measuring the curvature of the earth by looking at flat earth arguments and seeing what science says about them.
Today you can throw those arguments into chat gpt and get a decent summary of how anything actual works.
Using lasers to track earth curvature across a big lake for example, absolutely fascinating to see why it doesnt work as you may expect.
My brother is a crank because ChatGPT enables him.
Some people get shot because guns were invented.
Why would it not work as I expect? I’m expecting some beam decoherence, and possible deflecting due to temperature differences over a cold lake.
Yeah those things.
the internet isn’t to be blamed. capitalism is. capitalists have weaponized the internet against the population and created these people because when people are uninformed they’re easier to exploit and manipulate
the internet is an incredible tool. it’s controlled by the worst pieces of shit satan could have ever imagined tho
Right I understand and sympathize with OP’s point, but there’s probably zero chance I’d be a commie without the internet.
thats a strange view to hold considering how many communists predate the internet
you don’t think existing in late stage capitalism would have turned you into a communist regardless? there’s a reason in the last 100 years western governments have devoted so much money to crushing communism
Tbf, the same was said about the printing press back then
Carving symbols on stone tablets was a mistake
Our species developing speech was a mistake
Climbing down from the trees was the begining of the end.
Oop oop hrk! >=[
Relevant username
Only a rich crackpot could distribute pamphlets claiming colloidal silver cures cancer, and then they’d still only reach people in walking distance.
Now, any moron can reach literally the entire world at no cost or effort.
Also, literacy itself was gatekept back then. The stupid people we’re referring to wouldn’t even have been able to read it.
As soon as the proletariat can do it, the bourgeois complain
I’m still convinced flat earthers are an internet hoax/troll.
I’ve seen a super genius flying with a bubble level.
mrrrreow
For the last time?! These “modern scientists” are sure not history researchers then!
“for the last time…so far”
Spelling out each decimal of bitcoin instead of using standard notation like everywhere else …
Scientists once again remind you to not swim in shit.
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What is this picture
RFK going swimming with his granddaughter, in a sewage disharge outlet.
Not exactly an “outlet” but a place that was closed down for excessive fecal bacteria…to which he disagreed.
Oh I remember that now. IIRC it was in rock creek which the locals do, even if it is not healthy. Not a good look for the secretary of health.
I can’t think of one thing he’s done that looks good given his current job title.
He disagreed with the fecal bacteria? I mean, whatever floats his boat, but they’re going to infect him anyway.
The CDC told me it was ok. Polio is good for you because it prevents autism.
I guess that is technically true. Can’t have any autistic children if youre dead.
Second part should be “And climatechange is real.”
Third part should be, “We pasteurize milk for a good fucking reason.”
Wrong. Flat Earthers do think the Earth is round.
The rest of us think it’s spherical.
Oblong spheroid to be pedantic.
I have an oblong hemorrhoid
You should get that checked out
Latest and greatest flat earth is that Antarctica is a wall that encircles us all. Well, it encircles the land that us normies are allowed to know about. Beyond the Antarctic wall lies a vastness of land that us normies are kept unaware of. I am not sure why. It was something to do with the riches of the secret land. Also, no one knows how far the land stretches. So the earth is flat but we don’t know how far it goes so we don’t know what the shape is really.
Just to be perfectly clear: I am not a flat earther and I don’t believe any of the above. It’s a load of (very entertaining) nonsense. Keep the documentaries coming please!
I have also heard the story, that the earth is in fact a sphere, but the rest of it is covered in ice also known as the antarctica
I work with someone who believes the flat earth bullshit. Our company makes pharmaceutical actives, pretty much everyone there has degrees in science. Yet one guy persists with “the earth is flat”. I’m incredulous over the willful ignorance toward reality.
How wonderful would it be if he was messing with you the whole time.
pretending that generation didn’t hobble science for anti-intellectual cultists is just bullshit
what happened to stem cell research in the USA exactly?
sad Jesus noises
Wasn’t it bush that shut it of to get fanatic religious votes?
that it was, Valmod
Lo, I remember mine father watching him announce it on cable news while I wisely played Tekken on ps1 instead
it sucked, my dad explained all the medical research that was going to be impacted
i mained Jack as was the style of the time
It’s back on track now Corelli with the Yamanaka factors, I learned that while playing Grandia 2 on the PS2.
oh holy shit that is pretty cool
en.wikipedia.org/…/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell
Meanwhile, my parent gleefully explained that they were writing AN EMAIL to the PRESIDENT HIMSELF using my disease to assuage their feelings as they demanded he not let stem cell research happen. That’s a level of mental fuckery I could be happy about disappearing.
We lost about a decade of research because of that bullshit. At least.
“Science” is so full of grifters and bullshit that I’m not surprised flat-earthism is flourishing.
“Scientists”, media, politicians, etc… today: I’ve created an artificial intelligence!!!
“Scientists”, media, politicians, etc… today: We found a bacteria (or whatever the fuck) that might solve
global warmingsome climate issues that maybe don’t exist!!!Actual scientists: The planet is literally being destroyed. Primarily by cars.
People: I don’t know what to believe.
Yeah there’s a problem with how science is portrayed to the general population. Most science is ”boring”. People want to hear about aliens, time travel and parallel universes.
Graphs showing that we should cut down our meat consumption is boring.
Stories about how a secret world state (possibly extradimensional lizards) is hiding a big ice wall from us is exciting.
And robots. Why are there so few news and stories about robots 😥
Well, while I agree that things are pretty shit and regressive, let’s not downplay the achievements we’ve had in the past 10 years:
These are just the ones I know from the top of my head.
Extreme longevity shows serious advancements (but in mice only).
Common let’s pile up some more good stuff!
I’d argue underused / inappropriately prescribed by social class. There are millions who could benefit from them who have poor access, while if you have money the Rx just gets thrown readily at your feet.
One of the most important ones that a lot of people use every day are the huge advancements that have been made in creating modern chips. It might not be something new and exciting, but it actually involves very groundbreaking work and huge breakthroughs. Not just the crazy machines that ASML makes, thought to be breaking the laws of physics just years ago. But also advancements in manufacturing, being able to create super advanced 3D structures and large scale manufacturing at a very high level, yet with a surprising consistency in quality and low cost. Not just for ever bigger, more efficient and faster chips, but also things like MEMS at tiny sizes and low cost.
Often it’s taken for granted what we have. People saying stuff to the sentiment that this isn’t the future, everything is boring, we haven’t got flying cars or people living on Mars. But the fact we all got this ultra powerful computer, with a high resolution high framerate self emitting screen, no active cooling, a bunch of sensors, lots of memory and storage and hyper connected to all sorts of networks, all powered by a high capacity high power low wear battery should be mind blowing. And not just that, but it fits in our pockets and they are so cheap everyone has at least one. Just because we’ve chosen to spec our tech tree into the small stuff instead of the large stuff, doesn’t mean we haven’t come a long way.
I think people look at the past at new “inventions” and think that’s the way progress is. New revolutionary stuff. It’s why people often invest in crowd funding of obvious scam products. They want something that changes the game. In reality it’s a lot of little steps that create a big change over time. And imho this has always been the case. We always hear about the Wright brothers “inventing” the airplane. Like they had some magic sauce and thought of something nobody else thought of before. Then made it and bam the world was changed. In reality they didn’t invent anything, they developed it. They made prototypes and iterative refinements. And they were far from the only ones working on the exact same concept. If they didn’t finish first, someone else would have within the same time frame. But the romantic story of two American blokes with the right stuff changing the world all on their own just sounds good.
So let’s also celebrate the thousands of smaller breakthroughs that got us where we are today.
You’re right, I try to remind myself to marvel at the incredibly cool science we wield every single day.
But I’m also pained because I understand where the “boring future” folks come from too:
Where would we be if all this incredible technology was actually designed for humanity and not simply for profits at all cost? If optimizing for humanity was the target instead of exploiting it?
Smartphones, for instance. Small, networked computers! In your pocket! Wow! I’ve always wanted a pocket laptop! But they sure don’t feel like it. They’re designed to be content (mainly ad) delivery devices and data miners first, and useful machines second.
(There are some tiny niche actual-computer palmtops now which are pretty cool.)
I think that’s the part that gets people kinda depressive about modern science breakthroughs. The coolest stuff, the working folk don’t even get to tangibly feel much benefit from.
Discovery is locked behind paywall research journals and implementation is marketed in the interests of capital and used against us to make us work harder for longer hours for less pay.
What’s happening to space is a VERY stark illustration of all this. NASA unifying humanity and working globally on projects like the ISS was INSPIRING.
Now it’s all about privatized interests and their stupid desires, like space hotels for the elite.
I bet we’d marvel at technology designed for human beings, and not sheer exploitation.
I think it is still mindblowing in the gaming/simulation realm.
This is something that gets a lot of human passion poured in and (to an extent) gets hardware utilized quite efficiently. It’s also a miracle for number-crunching researchers, or those who’s only hope of investigating something is simulation, heh.
But yeah, it feels like other aspects got drowned in eshittification. My phone would be able to host the whole old internet, pretty much! There should be so much collaboration, but manpower is instead poured into reinventing corporate infrastructure like 100,000 times over?
I love your enthusiasm! But as someone who works in semiconductor development, I feel a bit like it is time to abandon this branch of the technology tree for now again. Maybe I am just disheartened from the PhD stress, but where does it really lead to right now? Following up on Moore’s Law right now just seems to promise higher efficiency and lower electricity demands while actually that is mainly greenwashing attempt IMO (lower resolution technologies are more energy and resurce efficient when considering resource demand during production; high device density leads usually to increase of the number of transistors which are operated parallely, so while the single FET is more efficient in dynamic operation, the whole chip might have much higher leakage). At the same time this efficiency is used as justification to just increase the calculation load whithout considering if it is useful (e.g. LLMs). Resources might be better allocated for More than Moore/architectural approaches e.g. for neuromorphic computing to actually reduce the immense AI computing load coming up.
Sorry for the rant, I think I gotta quit my job.
Also, it’s engineers who land robots on other planets, not scientists
I’m not sure I mentioned anything about landing on other planets… However, engineering and science are closely related.
No reason to pin two bad bitches against each other.
Don’t forget CRISPR-Cas9 allowing reliable and precise gene editing in living organisms.
Right, yeah. That too.
Yea, but apart from Higgs Boson, mRNA, salt Batteries, James Webb Space Telescope, cybernetic Limbs and CRISPR-cas9, what 'ave the Scientists ever done for us?
Polio vaccine?
These are monetizable inventions, that are allowed, when big money backs them. Climate fuckery threatens incumbent big money, even when it threatens the little people’s property values and cost of living.
Gravity waves detection and cheap solar cells are mind-blowing to me. Gravity waves for just the sensitivity achieved and solar for how rapidly it’s improved. It used be a cute technology used in calculators, impossible to match economically turning a generator or directly burning stuff, and now it’s the default first choice.
Thank you. With all the awfull stuff going on the atm I tend to forget all the amazing things we humans still achieve.
I don’t want to downplay some of the amazing things in this list but i dint think the standard model of physics as made by humans can ever be completed.
What did happen is that something like HB must exists in order to make most of other things work. Now that we know HB is verifiably real we tied up a major loose end.
But there is still many stuff unanswered and a “complete model” would require constant revision.
The standard model of physics is not implying it has the answer to everything, or that there is nothing new to discover. The standard model of physics is the periodic table for fundamental particles. The bits that make up all the other parts.
How are you certain there are no undiscovered fundamental particles involved to quantum gravity and dark matter?
The periodic table is predictive. From a few elements, the rest could be projected and expected, like the Higgs-Boson. The table makes no predictions for things we cannot measure and are in fact theoretical, like dark matter which lacks any empirical evidence. Would be awesome if it did because then it wouldn’t be theoretical anymore.
Whats the difference between expecting and predicting here?
BH was theoretical at first. The new breakthrough was empirical evidence.
Do not mix theory with hypothesis. A theory in science is a very big deal and needs a lot to be true in order to even reach theory status (which is why “string theory” isn’t a theory. More like “string idea”).
Periodic table is for atoms. I think you are mixing it up with the standard model, which is for subatomic particles.
They’re both the same thing for a different area.
Scientists of tomorrow: Colloidal silver cures all disease unless you are possessed by demons or a witch.
If witch, please turn your self into authorities for immediate incineration.
If demons, please report to your nearest wellness camp for rehabilitation.
is that what your satanic sheep told you?
Nice Try NASA, we all know the truth that Earth is a Donut. This is why cops think they own the planet.
Checkmate, FBI!
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So this is a Wiki-style fiction set far in the future, with pan-galactic civilizations and super-AIs, made by people with vast knowledge in tech and science, keeping things feasible.
Intriguing.
Pretty much.
I wish it were more famous, as it’s a far more plausible extrapolation of a few hundred/thousand years into the future than Star Trek or whatever mod people envision.
Free speech is a double edged sword
I feel bad for field researchers that have to do studies on critically endangered species
Imagine trying for days to find a specimen and then end up having to reclassify it as extinct
am I old or does nobody remember the name Dolly?
I seem to recall something about her working 9 to 5 and having an arch-nemesis called Jolene.
EDIT: Wait! Wait! I remembered! There was a sheep called Dolly who was a workaholic who had herself cloned to spend more time with her partner!
EDIT 2: Ok, I just did a web search. I was way off.
Of course we remember Dolly! She was stuffed and is on display in the National Museum of Scotland.
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Sorry but due to new government policy it is illegal to study or even acknowledge weather
You mentioned diverse weather conditions in your grant application, and we can’t have that.
THIS ISNT EVEN AN EXAGGERATION.
We are so fucking cooked.
weather leads to climate, climate leads to fear…
Fear… leads to sOcIaLiSm!
Also scientists today: Vaccines do not cause autism and actually work.
That was last year.
Now it’s… Tylenol?
I mean if it gets physicians to stop overprescrecribing medicines with it
Yeah but it was 90s scientist who said vaccines caused autism though. Which just invalidates the point this tweet was trying to make.
It was one “scientist” who by all accounts was a massive fraud and anyone with any semblance of smarts recognised that almost immediately. That the world is full of idiots is the problem.
Wakefield did manage to fool peer reviewers and got his paper published in Lancet, a top-tier medical journal (and it took them 12 years to fully retract that paper). So I wouldn’t say people recognized that immediately.
(And I just kinda hate “things were better in the past” type of arguments, in general. Things were shit back then, and things are shit now.)
One single comment by one shitty doctor in a magazine. He didn’t even say that. He basically said ‘some parent thought that maybe their child started to exhibit autism-like symptoms shortly after receiving a vaccine’.
I am not fucking kidding you. That was it! No study, no control groups, no sample size. Nothing. Just one stray comment that is shorter than this one I am writing now and it is the foundation of their entire theory.
Andrew Wakefield definitely published discredited studies though… Or at least one.
Uh. No. It was a published paper in The Lancet, which they did not retract for 12 years. MDs have a lot of blame here.
Look up Hbomberguy’s video on the matter. It was the lancet, but it was an erroneous publication. Rare, but it happens. The study was grade A bullshit.
What is the blame we should place on them? The whole point of science is that shitty theories and great theories live in the same space. They’re then evaluated by the collective body of scientists based upon the results of their tests. Eventually the shitty hypotheses dies off. No one is ever supposed to rely upon one study or even a few studies. It should take years and many studies before the results or conclusions should be relied upon by non-scientists.
So the blame is likely borne by a combination of the education system (explaining the importance of repeated scientific evaluation), the pervasiveness of lay “scientists” and *philosophers relying upon social media and other unreliable sources for their data, and the greater access that a random non-scientists have to studies that would normally be buried by time. Then you have people reaching their own conclusion and just finding a random study that supports that conclusion. That’s the exact opposite of what the scientific method requires. The push by conservatives over the last few decades to erode scientific education (i.e creationism) is probably more likely to blame than any one scientist, doctor or certainly the medical/scientific community.
It took republicans a while to full dismantle everything. Their almost done now so, yay?
I want to help them build that wall, so we can keep them inside, and watch what happens when a government does everything opposite of good.
Earth is not round it's imperfect circle
Circle is on a 2d plane, while sphere would be 3d
Narrator: it was not the last time.
Actually the physics model to use is typically the simplest one that works, i.e. that gets the job done.
When your job is to drive a truck to the nearest city, the curvature of the Earth is negligible and it’s simpler to assume that the earth is flat, so that is the model that you should use.
As such, yeah, for 99% of use cases, the earth is flat.
Did you just “UHM ACKtually the earth IS flat!”
If your truck is equipped with GPS then the Earth had better be round in your physics model.
How does a flat earth model simplify logistics?
Or you could say Scientific CONgress…
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Some of the most high profile science news of this past decade have been in cloning and martian robotics