Animals that use Drugs
from fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz on 29 Aug 2024 16:25
https://mander.xyz/post/17365309
from fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz on 29 Aug 2024 16:25
https://mander.xyz/post/17365309
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And there are monkeys that steal drinks from beach resorts.
What’s really interesting is that study was made and the distribution of social drinkers, nice drunks, mean drunks, etc, roughly matches that of the humans.
I mean it’s not really that surprising. We are pretty similar to apes (and maybe monkeys?) socially.
For those who haven’t seen
How can jaguars consume ayahuasca if it is a beverage containing various ingredients that work together to be potent? What do they actually consume?
Do they consume Psychotria viridis leaves and does the DMT work this way?
vice.com/…/here-is-a-jaguar-tripping-on-yage-the-…
Thanks. That was a bit too anecdotal for me so I actually searched around a bit more. Didn’t find much but at least this one review article:
www.thieme-connect.com/…/a-1586-1665.pdf
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Although the presented evidence is again this same short, very heavily edited video of a jaguar supposedly tripping on the yage vine.
And regarding the effect on or the reasons of the jaguar, we apparently don’t know and how could we, if all the evidence is this one short clip already suggesting what it is doing? Not very satisfying I must say.
ETA: OK, so I dug a bit deeper as seen in my other comment. Apparently this vine isn’t even really psychoactive: “The harmala alkaloids are not especially psychedelic, even at higher dosages, when hypnagogic visions, alongside vomiting and diarrhea, become the main effect.” So, what are the jaguars tripping on then? Maybe they aren’t! Maybe they use it for its purgative effects? This seems all extremely sketchy to me. I don’t think we can definitely say that jaguars are using these vines for their psychoactive effects and saying that they are tripping on ayahuasca is definitely wrong.
Just a guess, but carnivores usually have extra potent stomach acids. Maybe there is a different chemical reaction that activates the ‘DMT’ effect in a different but similar way?
Apparently the jaguars don’t eat the DMT containing shrub P. viridis, but this other ingredient in ayahuasca called yage (Banisteriopsis caapi) that does not contain DMT (see the other response to my last comment).
So, no psychoactive substance, right??
Maybe the jaguars are not actually tripping but are just using it for their metabolism?
MAOIs are also used as antidepressants in humans because they inhibit the metabolism of monoamine compounds such as serotonin and norepinephrine.. Maybe the jaguars are going for this?
Leemurs provoke centipedes to make them excrete their defensive toxin, but then the lemurs just use that toxin to get high and repel mosquitos.
The word just is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
Get high and repel mosquitos?
Sign me up!
Is there a reason we haven’t tried this narcotic fungi?
Shrooms are great, why not try other 'gi?
I imagine it’s either there’s a chemical in the new fungi that specifically makes the rams high but not us or there is something in there that doesn’t affect them but is toxic to us
Humans actually do, but they do it by drinking the reindeer piss after the reindeer have eaten it.
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Based on a cursory Google search with the terms “bighorn sheep”+“Psychoactive fungi” it would seem they are referring to rumors of a psychoactive lichen that have not been formally identified.
-secondly, you don’t want to eat Amanita Muscaria aka fly agaric mushrooms unless you have thorough knowledge of what you’re doing. It contains a hepatotoxic compound (hence the deer piss reference in someone else’s comment) -and it should not be confused with the Psilocybin containing mushrooms AKA magic mushrooms. They do different things in the brain—The more you know 🌈 🌟
Apparently the Spanish translate Wallaby. TIL
I thought it may have been a more accurate and respectful transcription of the First Nations language the word came from, as opposed to the simplified colonial-era anglicisations, though it being Spanish orthography makes sense.
I guessed the same, but according to Wikipedia:
I’m not sure how modern anglicisation works but I assume what’s given there is considered the most accurate spelling of the indigenous word. So “wallaby” isn’t too far off.
Meanwhile the Siberian Nomad off to the side waiting for whichever reindeer that gets the shrooms to take a piss 👁️👄👁️
inb4 catnip
It makes a nice tea.
The Elephant getting drunk bit is a bit sus
They’d have to eat a massive amount to get drunk.
ucalgary.ca/…/elephants-get-drunk-because-they-ca…
This disagrees. It even goes so far as to call the “assumptions of previous researchers premature.”
The ulabis doesn’t really seem to fit the infographic.
Eating opium plants when food is scarce doesn’t really fall under the “drug use” category as it seems like it would have to be done.
The other uses were chosen
Do you mean “poppies?”
Aye, poppy
Does it matter, mr. Pedantic?
Naw. Enjoy your hamburger meat animal sandwiches.
Accuracy and pedantry are different.
With bread buns?
Yes, made with pulverized grain wheat flour dust
Lol, if it doesn’t mattet than it’s not accuracy. It is pedantry.
also, if it’s the australian marsupial that it looks like… “Wallaby”
And dolphins like to kick puffer fish around to get high
<img alt="" src="https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/12f6911f-98e3-41f6-b39c-6edd8e107db8.jpeg">
This is only a reenactment
First time I laughed out loud today. Thanks! 😀
Thanks for clarifying. At first I mistook it for a photograph.
Puff, puff, pass.
Humans: hold me beer, joint, shrooms, cactus, and chemistry set
I bet other animals would do the same if they weren’t getting high all the time and could figure it out for themselves.
Oh, heck yeah!
There’s an urban legend that koalas spend their entire lives drunk because the eucalyptus leaves they subsist on ferment inside them, though maybe that’s just because they look a bit dopey.
I remember reading that the Sami people used to drink the piss of a reindeer that had eaten fly agaric/fly amanita mushrooms since even though they’re poisonous, most of the poison gets left in the reindeer while the nice hallucinogenic stuff passes through. Wikipedia put it a bit differently:
Processing does sound nicer.
I remember reading about this too (cannot remember where exactly. It was a long time ago) and how that practice helped shape the idea of Santa’s flying reindeer.
And wasps! They get drunk and aggressive in years with lots of overripe fruits.
“Ualabis”? Is that supposed to be “wallabies”?
As best I can tell from searching, that’s kind of the Spanish word for “wallabies” (translate gives “ualabies”). Seems like a weird choice.
Jaguars actually eat the leaves of b. capii, which acts as a MAOI in the Ayahuasca brew.
While there is some discussion that the harmala alkaloids in b. capii might also be slightly psychoactive in high doses, the actual main compound in Ayahuasca is DMT, which is certainly very psychoactive, but not bioavailable when consumed orally without a MAOI. Unless the jaguars have figured out how to combine the two and/or brew ayahuasca, I strongly doubt that’s their intention and that they’d get comparable effects.
I think the idea stems from the BBC show Weird Nature showing a jaguar eating yage leaves in episode 6, “Peculiar Potions”.
I’m not really sold on how well that content was researched.
B. caapi is called ayahuasca, as well as being an ingredient in the brew with the same name, so the image is not technically wrong.
The mental images of the consequences of running into, and then having to fight, a jaguar who’s high on ayahuasca is both hilarious and terrifying.
„Bro, chill out! The strawberry fractals are a mere figment of your imagination and can’t hurt you.“
„CHRAOW! CHRAOWOW!! Satayskewers!“
Sure. In my opinion, however, the overall context of the image does imply the jaguar enjoys similar effects to those clearly requiring the presence of DMT, as that is what is most people commonly associate with ayahuasca.
It’s a bit of a “look at all those animals getting high, this jaguar is even talking to machine elves in the 19th dimension” kinda thing, where - if I remember correctly - they actually consume the leaves for digestive purposes.
Again, the leaves do have an effect, e. g. they apparently act as an SSRI (that’s how common antidepressants work) and we can’t be absolutely sure about their effect on cats (catnip certainly has some effect on cats we don’t readily enjoy), so I can’t dismiss the notion of jaguars seeking them out for that reason as well.
Came here for this, I was looking forward to having a Jaguar shaman for my aya ceremony but I guess that’s off now
[off topic]
Some believe that beer was the trigger to the change from hunter/gatherer to agricultural society.
allthatsinteresting.com/history-of-beer
thats so epic
There’s also a stoned ape theory about the cognitive evolution of human consciousness through consumption of psilocybin mushrooms.
bigthink.com/neuropsych/stoned-ape-return/
As presented by David Attenborough, almost.
Amarula logo. Not a bad liquor at all.
This is documentary video of animals on the savannah eating fermented marula is great
youtu.be/AIDJ-sTuoO8
the hung over warthog is so relateable!
I was going to recommend the movie this is from, “Animals are Beautiful People”! It’s an older Disney produced documentary from the 70s I think. They put a comedic twist on the narraration and add plenty of cartoon sound affects throughout the film
I do not recommend it. Firstly, it’s not a Disney movie. It was made by a white South African in South Africa during apartheid.
A lot of it is just made up and some of it is clearly animal abuse. There’s no question that a weaver bird nest was set on fire for the movie.
The elephant thing isn’t even true. It’s staged with creative editing.
krugerpark.co.za/krugerpark-times-3-8-elephant-my…
What? No way bats can fly under influence! They are not above the law.
They even make those ads with images from accidents, saying “if you drink, don’t fly”.
That’s why they fly upwards into international space first, duh.
Bees also get drunk. If they try to enter the hive while drunk, they get kicked out to sober up
From what I read they don’t only get kicked out but absolutely mutilated by ripping their limbs off
:(
Whoa jeez, that wasn’t in the documentary I saw but I do see on YT that it happens. Jeez
Maybe that’s for the ones with priors
Maybe they were wanting to kill them anyway but were waiting til they couldn’t defend themselves
You know that mountain what where Moses did the thing with the burning bush? Hallucinogenic mushrooms.
I am not sure if I am scared of a high jaguar or want to pet it. Maybe both?
Jaguar to his buddy: “Dude, I was so baked I let a hairless monkey pet me. I got the munchies though, so I ate him.”
The Catnip police coming to jail your cat.
What about the birds that get drunk off of fermented cherries and smash into a stuff? We need to do something about these FWIs or nobody will be safe.
honestly basically any animal that eats fruit will end up drunk at some point, a classic children’s story here in sweden has a scene where their chickens get drunk, and it’s pretty regular fare to hear about moose getting drunk on fermented apples from peoples’ back yards.
now i can only think of a group of reindeer in DEA vests fighting another of group of reindeer not wearing DEA vests
Cedar waxwings get drink on fermented mulberries and roll around on the ground.
the fuck is a ualabi.
(Bad example if they mean wallaby, opium is an invasive species and they only eat it out of desperation. A better one would be the chronically addled eucalyptic meth head that is the koala)