Well, they are ladders, with rungs and all that, and not just something to interact with to go to a loading transition.
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 16:08
collapse
I know, I’m being nitpicky haha
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Sep 2023 10:13
nextcollapse
Ladders are annoying as fuck in ships, that’s why. It’s essentially a mini cutscene you can rewind. Hell, even Minecraft has a better ladder system.
all-knight-party@kbin.run
on 21 Sep 2023 11:03
nextcollapse
I just boost pack up the hole, anyone actually trying to use the ladders would be silly
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 12:12
nextcollapse
Sure, but even that is a pain when you’re trying to get through a ship quickly. And if there’s 2 ladders stacked and you miss the ledge grab on the second? Chutes and ladders, motherfucker.
all-knight-party@kbin.run
on 21 Sep 2023 13:43
nextcollapse
It sure is a bitch with two stacked ladders, I have a ship like that but everything on the third floor is just crew station habs with nothing I need to access, I kept all the important shit on the main level, that's all just stat boosting going on up there
Y’all are actually walking through the ship and not just teleporting everywhere?
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 15:45
collapse
I was before I discovered you can access the cargo hold from the pilots chair, but also I like to nap to refresh the xp boost before getting off the ship.
Open your inventory and you can push a button to switch to the ship. It works anywhere on the ship. If you aren’t sure which button opens the ship’s cargo (I have it set to Q but I think that’s a custom keybinding) it will say at the bottom of the inventory screen which button to press to open the cargo hold.
You can also access the ship’s cargo when interacting with merchants and sell things directly from the ship.
neoman4426@kbin.social
on 21 Sep 2023 18:36
nextcollapse
Not just anywhere on the ship, have full access to the ship inventory to transfer to and from it if you're within ~250 meters of it which can be helpful if you grab too much in one of those places that'll let you land pretty close to a building or whatever
JFowler369@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 12:15
collapse
Yeah that was my thought when I read this article. I used the ladder once, thought never again, and just started jumping up. Only issue is a double ladder but those are better avoided anyway.
variants@possumpat.io
on 21 Sep 2023 12:28
nextcollapse
I hate that you can’t turn around or shoot from them, going up the ladder while three people are shooting you all nice and calm then turning around like a Terminator
pimento64@sopuli.xyz
on 21 Sep 2023 13:27
collapse
It should be stated for comparison purposes that you could shoot from ladders in Half-Life.
25 years ago.
emptyother@programming.dev
on 22 Sep 2023 11:12
collapse
To be fair that ladder climbing didnt have an animation. You just floated up or down.
Not that I need an animation in a singleplayer first person game. I’d rather not have any third person stuff at all.
Its_Always_420@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 12:38
nextcollapse
My favorite part is when you get to the top of the ladder and the cutscene ends just in time for you to fall back down into the hole.
JoshuaSlowpoke777@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 15:31
nextcollapse
I use a balanced boostpack to get through the ladder holes and thus ascend the floors faster.
One of these days, I want to create a ship that’s shaped suspiciously like the mothership from Homeworld (basically built like a tower rather than a flat building), just for kicks (and to test whether this tactic works with multiple floors in the same ladder chamber)
thesprongler@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 15:57
collapse
If only we could place a puddle of water at the bottom of our ladders.
zepheriths@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 13:00
nextcollapse
“finally”? The came out 15 days ago. That’s not that long
PoopingCough@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 13:43
nextcollapse
They mean it’s the first Bethesda game to have proper ladders, not that they’ve only been recently added to starfield.
Arguably, the grav drive and the artificial gravity in the ships are two separate subsytems. You power the grav drive, that’s just charging it to jump. The artifical gravity seems to persist for as long as the power plant isn’t completely destroyed.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 14:10
nextcollapse
Mild spoilers. There’s a few levels where it’s zero g. Some random encounters where you raid a enemy ship, it’s zero g and when you reach the captain’s chair, you turn the gravity back on and all the doohickeys like pencils and mugs fall down in a really satisfying way.
dudewitbow@lemmy.ml
on 21 Sep 2023 15:20
nextcollapse
I thought that one random spacestation where gravity turned on and off every 10 seconds was pretty interesting puzzle wise.
Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world
on 21 Sep 2023 14:07
nextcollapse
And here I am where I built my capital ship before restarting that had 4 ladders stacked on 1 area…=_=
Affidavit@aussie.zone
on 21 Sep 2023 15:02
nextcollapse
There’s some weird bug with a ladder in one of my ships. There’s a hole at the bottom of the ladder that drops down to the ground floor (with no corresponding ladder itself). This means I need to select the ladder from an angle or start climbing all over again.
I might check this build out once I meet the requirements.
DarkThoughts@kbin.social
on 21 Sep 2023 15:53
nextcollapse
Doesn't help that ladder animations, among others, are simply way too slow.
Yep. I avoided them. I just used my jetpack and climbed up like that.
Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Sep 2023 16:15
nextcollapse
I don’t understand the trend of games making ladder animations super slow for ladders in places players are supposed to use often. Any game that instantly teleports you to the top or bottom of a ladder, regardless of how much it breaks immersion, gets an A in my book rather than spending 30 seconds climbing up one story in an area that I have to ladder to frequently
jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Sep 2023 18:43
nextcollapse
immersion
Kolanaki@yiffit.net
on 22 Sep 2023 06:33
nextcollapse
Personally, I haven’t really found a way to connect rooms above rooms in a way that uses the ladder position I actually want. Its just random, which is annoying because most of the time it doesn’t give me a single ladder that connects all the floors, it connects 2 or 3 at one spot, another 2 at another, etc. It’s fucking dumb. I mean, I could use the single room pieces for this, but that looks ugly and is otherwise totally unnecessary.
threaded - newest
“Proper”
Well, they are ladders, with rungs and all that, and not just something to interact with to go to a loading transition.
I know, I’m being nitpicky haha
Ladders are annoying as fuck in ships, that’s why. It’s essentially a mini cutscene you can rewind. Hell, even Minecraft has a better ladder system.
I just boost pack up the hole, anyone actually trying to use the ladders would be silly
Sure, but even that is a pain when you’re trying to get through a ship quickly. And if there’s 2 ladders stacked and you miss the ledge grab on the second? Chutes and ladders, motherfucker.
It sure is a bitch with two stacked ladders, I have a ship like that but everything on the third floor is just crew station habs with nothing I need to access, I kept all the important shit on the main level, that's all just stat boosting going on up there
Y’all are actually walking through the ship and not just teleporting everywhere?
I was before I discovered you can access the cargo hold from the pilots chair, but also I like to nap to refresh the xp boost before getting off the ship.
Hold up! What? How do you access the cargo from the pilot chair?
Open your inventory and you can push a button to switch to the ship. It works anywhere on the ship. If you aren’t sure which button opens the ship’s cargo (I have it set to Q but I think that’s a custom keybinding) it will say at the bottom of the inventory screen which button to press to open the cargo hold.
You can also access the ship’s cargo when interacting with merchants and sell things directly from the ship.
Not just anywhere on the ship, have full access to the ship inventory to transfer to and from it if you're within ~250 meters of it which can be helpful if you grab too much in one of those places that'll let you land pretty close to a building or whatever
What?! 🤯
I’ve wasted so much time getting in and out of the ship for this 🤦🏻
Thanks!
Yeah that was my thought when I read this article. I used the ladder once, thought never again, and just started jumping up. Only issue is a double ladder but those are better avoided anyway.
I hate that you can’t turn around or shoot from them, going up the ladder while three people are shooting you all nice and calm then turning around like a Terminator
It should be stated for comparison purposes that you could shoot from ladders in Half-Life.
25 years ago.
To be fair that ladder climbing didnt have an animation. You just floated up or down.
Not that I need an animation in a singleplayer first person game. I’d rather not have any third person stuff at all.
My favorite part is when you get to the top of the ladder and the cutscene ends just in time for you to fall back down into the hole.
I use a balanced boostpack to get through the ladder holes and thus ascend the floors faster.
One of these days, I want to create a ship that’s shaped suspiciously like the mothership from Homeworld (basically built like a tower rather than a flat building), just for kicks (and to test whether this tactic works with multiple floors in the same ladder chamber)
If only we could place a puddle of water at the bottom of our ladders.
“finally”? The came out 15 days ago. That’s not that long
They mean it’s the first Bethesda game to have proper ladders, not that they’ve only been recently added to starfield.
How are you this dumb?
I wish for 0g in ships while in space. Would fix many issues and make it more of a sim
I wish you could turn it off but isn’t the lore explanation the grav drive giving artificial gravity? Or did I Mendela effect something.
They need to make up they’re mind on grav drive being law or mechanic as when I remove all power from grav I’m still feet on the ground
Why do you hate basic grammar? It seriously hurt to read your comment.
Well I’ve got dyslexia so thats a good reason I guess but its also my strength as I had to work a lot harder to get to where I am
Hope next time you feel the need to act upset over something so trivial youll be less of a dick
Arguably, the grav drive and the artificial gravity in the ships are two separate subsytems. You power the grav drive, that’s just charging it to jump. The artifical gravity seems to persist for as long as the power plant isn’t completely destroyed.
Mild spoilers. There’s a few levels where it’s zero g. Some random encounters where you raid a enemy ship, it’s zero g and when you reach the captain’s chair, you turn the gravity back on and all the doohickeys like pencils and mugs fall down in a really satisfying way.
I thought that one random spacestation where gravity turned on and off every 10 seconds was pretty interesting puzzle wise.
If you knock out someone’s grav drive before boarding youll have 0g, I often aim for it lol
I think that happens if you damage the grav drive before boarding but I'm not entirely sure.
.
And here I am where I built my capital ship before restarting that had 4 ladders stacked on 1 area…=_=
There’s some weird bug with a ladder in one of my ships. There’s a hole at the bottom of the ladder that drops down to the ground floor (with no corresponding ladder itself). This means I need to select the ladder from an angle or start climbing all over again.
I might check this build out once I meet the requirements.
Doesn't help that ladder animations, among others, are simply way too slow.
.
Yep. I avoided them. I just used my jetpack and climbed up like that.
I don’t understand the trend of games making ladder animations super slow for ladders in places players are supposed to use often. Any game that instantly teleports you to the top or bottom of a ladder, regardless of how much it breaks immersion, gets an A in my book rather than spending 30 seconds climbing up one story in an area that I have to ladder to frequently
immersion
I just use my power boost pack and jump up.
Its realistic. A normal human carrying 10 weapons, ammo, a ton of drugs, etc, is not going to get up a ladder quickly.
Still bad gameplay
Personally, I haven’t really found a way to connect rooms above rooms in a way that uses the ladder position I actually want. Its just random, which is annoying because most of the time it doesn’t give me a single ladder that connects all the floors, it connects 2 or 3 at one spot, another 2 at another, etc. It’s fucking dumb. I mean, I could use the single room pieces for this, but that looks ugly and is otherwise totally unnecessary.