eva_sieve@startrek.website
on 23 Aug 2023 22:26
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Huh, I was expecting this to be about T’lyn! no such luck on that front unfortunately. Haven’t combed through the trailer in too much detail, but if this is the first time I’m hearing confirmation about them all getting promoted would that imply most of the trailer shots are from relatively early in the season?
It feels right for the gang to get promoted. If you asked me what Lower Decks is about, underneath all the nostalgia and jokes, I’d say it’s about growth–Starfleet is awesome, but its legends of yesteryear don’t start that way. These goofy, lower-decker ensigns may be screwups, but at the core they’re Starfleet though and through. It kind of feels appropriate to move on from where the original TNG episode Lower Decks left off-- the promotion of proto-Boimler Sam Lavelle-- and explore what growth looks like beyond that.
Edited to add: I went back through the trailer and yep, no visible changes to their rank pips. Although T’lyn has a shot where she’s switched over from a provisional lozenge to the standard single round ensign pip.
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 00:04
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I’m relieved to hear that the group will be promoted. 3 years is a fairly long haul as ensigns, even on a second tier ship. The humour and credibility would begin to wear a bit thin if they at that rank throughout the show’s run. (… yes, I know about Ensign Kim and that was inexplicable - he should have been given an acting promotion to lieutenant at minimum.)
It’s interesting that TrekMovie has this article up before the news release has been posted. (I checked the Paramount+ press site and the most recent posting for Lower Decks is for the trailer release July 22nd, and these details aren’t in that one.)
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 01:03
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The Paramount press site is…not as reliable as you would think. It’s not uncommon for sites like Trekmovie to run episode previews that obviously came from press releases, while the actual Paramount site lags behind by a day or two.
Signed,
The guy who sometimes loses his mind trying to set up the episode discussion posts.
I’ve had to pirate this show because even when I paid for a subscription, none of the content ever actually played through their apps on any of my devices.
beefcat@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2023 02:43
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One season of Lower Decks is 6 months in-universe, so they’ve only been ensigns for a year and a half
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 03:24
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I had understood it to be more like a year. There was a significant period of several months, for example, when Boimler served on the Titan between seasons.
Yeah, there was no reason for an Ensign to run Ops on a ship like Voyager. It would have been great writing for after Paris gets demoted, Janeway takes the pip and places it on Kim’s collar.
Bonehead@kbin.social
on 24 Aug 2023 10:33
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Instead, they repromote Paris, and when Kim asks why he didn't see a little box on his desk this morning everyone promptly ignores him.
apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca
on 24 Aug 2023 14:11
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O’Brien Kim must suffer
SweetAIBelle@kbin.social
on 24 Aug 2023 22:44
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Well, to be fair, their original Harry Kim is dead, making the current one the newest member of the crew until 7 of 9 shows up.
And for all we know, the ship records may still show him as dead, therefore unpromotable...
See that woulda been an hilarious spin. Just have the ship record his death and now the replicators won’t recognise him, doors won’t open, go the whole boimler / better off ted. Eventually they have to trick it by ‘re-hiring’ a harry kim to get him back in the sytem .
And now he gets no promotion due to being far too inexperienced in his career.
SweetAIBelle@kbin.social
on 31 Aug 2023 01:51
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I'd have loved something like that.
I'd personally have liked them to have not let that go, and have a whole character arc with Harry struggling with the knowledge that none of them are the same people he knew, though they act identically, differentiating between things he did and the original and so on...
Resetting back to status quo after events that should have had a lasting impact is one of these things that bothers me in Voyager.
Coulda also done a great adoption parallel with Naomi finding out. Would have gone great in Voyager’s found family
startrekexplained@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 05:24
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So I finally watched Lower Decks, well a good chunk of it anyway, and expected it to be horrific, but I surprisingly like it now. I don’t absolutely love it, but I do like it. Especially Tendi
Neireh@universeodon.com
on 24 Aug 2023 05:39
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startrekexplained@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 05:46
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I like all the characters, but Tendi is my favorite ;)
Neireh@universeodon.com
on 24 Aug 2023 05:53
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@startrekexplained Oh sure! Like all the Characters but the doc ist the best. 😁 The crew avoids coming for their vaccination ? No, Problem. She has a vac rifle ;) or her romance with the Bajoran Security Chief or the Tamarian. Ok, i love all.
startrekexplained@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 05:55
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Love the concept of a vac rifle :P
Neireh@universeodon.com
on 24 Aug 2023 05:58
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T156@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2023 06:23
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The first few episodes are a bit rough. They make it seem more like a Rick and Morty-type show, which isn’t quite what I was after for Trek. The show does get a bit better later on, when they settle in.
startrekexplained@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 10:22
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The second and third seasons are awesome I admit
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 11:57
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I’m finding all the pilot episodes and most season premieres in the current era rough. It seems a pattern with all the shows
One definitely gets the sense that there are so many senior executives at Paramount and CBS Studios giving notes as they seek to differentiate the shows that the creators’ ideas get muddied.
As they get into the seasons and get more seasons the EPs and writers find each shows voice, I suspect that they suffer fewer notes telling them to adjust to some executive’s idea of what the show is supposed to be and who it is targeting.
One definitely gets the sense that there are so many senior executives at Paramount and CBS Studios giving notes as they seek to differentiate the shows that the creators’ ideas get muddied.
Considering the production issues that Discovery had behind the scenes, I wonder if it might be the opposite. The show’s creatives are being hampered by the executives, who would prefer that they kept to the standard “Star Trek Brand” instead. It’s happened before, with both Voyager and Enterprise, and the current model of the show is meant to be “A Trek for Everyone”, which would be difficult to pull off if all the shows kept to the same sort of formula.
lemillionsocks@beehaw.org
on 24 Aug 2023 15:41
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The show managed to be surprisingly great. Superficially it looked like a rick and morty knockoff, but the series really has a good sense of humor while balancing the wacky off kilter fun in a way that still feels like star trek.
andthenthreemore@startrek.website
on 26 Aug 2023 08:02
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This is my feeling about LD to a T. I still don’t get why some people seem to think it’s the best thing since DS9, but it’s not bad.
The series I was shocked by how much I loved, however, was Prodigy.
startrekexplained@startrek.website
on 26 Aug 2023 09:34
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None of the NuTrek shows are that good honestly, SNW included. But I like them outside Discovery and the first two seasons of Picard
Stamets@startrek.website
on 24 Aug 2023 11:28
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First of me hearing about this. I haven’t actually been reading much of the news about the new seasons of anything lately. Really looking forward to how they’re going to handle the new responsibility. Mariner obviously has experience from her numerous promotions/demotions but Boimler has some too. If only for a brief period and on one hell of a chaotic ship. I am worried that it’s going to end up with the characters drifting a bit apart because they have more work to do. Purely because I’m selfish and am afraid to see characters I love drift apart. Be great writing opportunities though.
UlyssesT@hexbear.net
on 24 Aug 2023 11:54
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Huh, I was expecting this to be about T’lyn! no such luck on that front unfortunately. Haven’t combed through the trailer in too much detail, but if this is the first time I’m hearing confirmation about them all getting promoted would that imply most of the trailer shots are from relatively early in the season?
It feels right for the gang to get promoted. If you asked me what Lower Decks is about, underneath all the nostalgia and jokes, I’d say it’s about growth–Starfleet is awesome, but its legends of yesteryear don’t start that way. These goofy, lower-decker ensigns may be screwups, but at the core they’re Starfleet though and through. It kind of feels appropriate to move on from where the original TNG episode Lower Decks left off-- the promotion of proto-Boimler Sam Lavelle-- and explore what growth looks like beyond that.
Edited to add: I went back through the trailer and yep, no visible changes to their rank pips. Although T’lyn has a shot where she’s switched over from a provisional lozenge to the standard single round ensign pip.
I’m relieved to hear that the group will be promoted. 3 years is a fairly long haul as ensigns, even on a second tier ship. The humour and credibility would begin to wear a bit thin if they at that rank throughout the show’s run. (… yes, I know about Ensign Kim and that was inexplicable - he should have been given an acting promotion to lieutenant at minimum.)
It’s interesting that TrekMovie has this article up before the news release has been posted. (I checked the Paramount+ press site and the most recent posting for Lower Decks is for the trailer release July 22nd, and these details aren’t in that one.)
The Paramount press site is…not as reliable as you would think. It’s not uncommon for sites like Trekmovie to run episode previews that obviously came from press releases, while the actual Paramount site lags behind by a day or two.
Signed,
The guy who sometimes loses his mind trying to set up the episode discussion posts.
I’ve had to pirate this show because even when I paid for a subscription, none of the content ever actually played through their apps on any of my devices.
One season of Lower Decks is 6 months in-universe, so they’ve only been ensigns for a year and a half
I had understood it to be more like a year. There was a significant period of several months, for example, when Boimler served on the Titan between seasons.
Yeah, there was no reason for an Ensign to run Ops on a ship like Voyager. It would have been great writing for after Paris gets demoted, Janeway takes the pip and places it on Kim’s collar.
Instead, they repromote Paris, and when Kim asks why he didn't see a little box on his desk this morning everyone promptly ignores him.
O’BrienKim must sufferWell, to be fair, their original Harry Kim is dead, making the current one the newest member of the crew until 7 of 9 shows up.
And for all we know, the ship records may still show him as dead, therefore unpromotable...
See that woulda been an hilarious spin. Just have the ship record his death and now the replicators won’t recognise him, doors won’t open, go the whole boimler / better off ted. Eventually they have to trick it by ‘re-hiring’ a harry kim to get him back in the sytem .
And now he gets no promotion due to being far too inexperienced in his career.
I'd have loved something like that.
I'd personally have liked them to have not let that go, and have a whole character arc with Harry struggling with the knowledge that none of them are the same people he knew, though they act identically, differentiating between things he did and the original and so on...
Resetting back to status quo after events that should have had a lasting impact is one of these things that bothers me in Voyager.
Coulda also done a great adoption parallel with Naomi finding out. Would have gone great in Voyager’s found family
So I finally watched Lower Decks, well a good chunk of it anyway, and expected it to be horrific, but I surprisingly like it now. I don’t absolutely love it, but I do like it. Especially Tendi
@startrekexplained @ValueSubtracted i like the grumpy cat doctor ;)
I like all the characters, but Tendi is my favorite ;)
@startrekexplained Oh sure! Like all the Characters but the doc ist the best. 😁 The crew avoids coming for their vaccination ? No, Problem. She has a vac rifle ;) or her romance with the Bajoran Security Chief or the Tamarian. Ok, i love all.
Love the concept of a vac rifle :P
@startrekexplained yeah, i too. ;)
The first few episodes are a bit rough. They make it seem more like a Rick and Morty-type show, which isn’t quite what I was after for Trek. The show does get a bit better later on, when they settle in.
The second and third seasons are awesome I admit
I’m finding all the pilot episodes and most season premieres in the current era rough. It seems a pattern with all the shows
One definitely gets the sense that there are so many senior executives at Paramount and CBS Studios giving notes as they seek to differentiate the shows that the creators’ ideas get muddied.
As they get into the seasons and get more seasons the EPs and writers find each shows voice, I suspect that they suffer fewer notes telling them to adjust to some executive’s idea of what the show is supposed to be and who it is targeting.
Considering the production issues that Discovery had behind the scenes, I wonder if it might be the opposite. The show’s creatives are being hampered by the executives, who would prefer that they kept to the standard “Star Trek Brand” instead. It’s happened before, with both Voyager and Enterprise, and the current model of the show is meant to be “A Trek for Everyone”, which would be difficult to pull off if all the shows kept to the same sort of formula.
The show managed to be surprisingly great. Superficially it looked like a rick and morty knockoff, but the series really has a good sense of humor while balancing the wacky off kilter fun in a way that still feels like star trek.
This is my feeling about LD to a T. I still don’t get why some people seem to think it’s the best thing since DS9, but it’s not bad.
The series I was shocked by how much I loved, however, was Prodigy.
None of the NuTrek shows are that good honestly, SNW included. But I like them outside Discovery and the first two seasons of Picard
First of me hearing about this. I haven’t actually been reading much of the news about the new seasons of anything lately. Really looking forward to how they’re going to handle the new responsibility. Mariner obviously has experience from her numerous promotions/demotions but Boimler has some too. If only for a brief period and on one hell of a chaotic ship. I am worried that it’s going to end up with the characters drifting a bit apart because they have more work to do. Purely because I’m selfish and am afraid to see characters I love drift apart. Be great writing opportunities though.
:SickoAGIMUS: <img alt="yes-hahaha-yes-l" src="https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/f05e801b-be2d-4a2b-8ccc-25123f426102.png">