August 30th 2024. America adopts the metric system. Never forget.
from directive0@lemmy.world to startrek@startrek.website on 29 Aug 2024 21:09
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reddig33@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 21:13 next collapse

I wish.

dharmacurious@slrpnk.net on 29 Aug 2024 21:17 collapse

Just start being that pedantic asshole that people hate, and insist on using it. When someone asks what the temperature is, give it to em in c and make them do the conversion.

I set all my stuff to metric years ago and use it pretty much exclusively. I don’t actually make other people convert, I do it for em. But still.

Beaver@lemmy.ca on 29 Aug 2024 21:30 next collapse

Also state your height in cm.

toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl on 29 Aug 2024 22:14 collapse

Us metric people usually say it in meters. I’m one meter 86.

Zagorath@aussie.zone on 29 Aug 2024 22:26 collapse

Leave off the word “metre” and it doesn’t matter whether you’re using metres or cm. You’re “one eighty-six”. Is that a lazy way of saying “one [hundred and] eighty-six”, quite common when talking about numbers in the hundreds, or the lazy way of saying “one [metre] eighty-six [centimetres]”, a common shorthand similar to shortening “six [feet] five [inches]”? The answer is it doesn’t matter!

fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 2024 22:43 next collapse

Unless you’re reaaaally small

toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl on 30 Aug 2024 00:36 collapse

I’m one eighty six… kilometers!

JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz on 30 Aug 2024 06:48 collapse

How do you manage to avoid the NSA satellites hitting your head?

dharmacurious@slrpnk.net on 30 Aug 2024 16:15 collapse

I’m American and that’s how I’ve started giving my height. I’m 191.

StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website on 29 Aug 2024 22:14 next collapse

Cook in metric and use a scale!

Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 2024 22:44 next collapse

Bake in metric and rejoice when recipes actually work!

pupbiru@aussie.zone on 30 Aug 2024 03:46 collapse

wait you don’t use scales when cooking???

StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website on 30 Aug 2024 04:10 next collapse

From what I can tell Americans used to use scales for dry measures (in ounces) but somewhere along the line, they switched to volume measures for everything.

As a Canadian, it’s really frustrating because often will get the American versions of UK cookbooks here which are both not metric and not weights.

I enjoy my Australian cookbooks with metric weights.

dharmacurious@slrpnk.net on 30 Aug 2024 16:17 collapse

Yeah, it’s sort of rare outside of, like, foodies and and YouTubers to use weight for cooking. We switched to it about a decade back, and it’s been amazing. That’s actually what got me to switch to metric for just about everything.

hallettj@leminal.space on 29 Aug 2024 22:55 next collapse

I use metric temperature when I talk to my kids. Now they give me a hard time when I give them a Fahrenheit value! Keeps me honest I guess. I’ve also got my oldest using a 24 hour clock.

luciferofastora@lemmy.zip on 30 Aug 2024 04:54 next collapse

I never understood why people get their panties in a twist when I use 24h times. I get that it’s confusing if I drop the colon and just write 1854, but 18:54 isn’t that hard to figure out, is it?

Edit: Corrected 25h to 24h, thanks to MindTraveller for mocking pointing out my error

MindTraveller@lemmy.ca on 30 Aug 2024 07:24 collapse

I’m never going to get used to twenty five hour times.

[deleted] on 30 Aug 2024 07:42 next collapse

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luciferofastora@lemmy.zip on 30 Aug 2024 07:43 collapse

Fuck, I missed that typo

dharmacurious@slrpnk.net on 30 Aug 2024 16:22 collapse

Temperature was the first thing that really clicked for me, and the only one I never have to think about to translate, I just “know” what the temperature is both. I learned it by thinking of it as percentages. 0 is freezing, 0% of boiling. 100 is boiling, 100% of boiling. Lol. 30-40% of boiling is hot, and pretty good for a bath. Haha

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 00:38 collapse

I’ve been doing that. I’m noticing it working. People around me may not like it, but they’ve figured out about how much a meter is

dharmacurious@slrpnk.net on 30 Aug 2024 16:18 collapse

It works pretty good, and you eventually you figure out which of your friends don’t actually like you! Lmao

distantsounds@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 21:59 next collapse

That would probably kick off riots

Zagorath@aussie.zone on 29 Aug 2024 22:27 next collapse

Hmm, that certainly does have a certain ring to it.

absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz on 30 Aug 2024 01:03 collapse

Delay it until January, kill two birds with one stone.

Corgana@startrek.website on 29 Aug 2024 22:05 next collapse

This is what “Past Tense” was really warning us about.

Draegur@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 2024 22:10 next collapse

Bullshit. ISO 8601 IS THE SUPERIOR DATE STANDARD
Tomorrow is 2024-08-30. DEAL WITH IT.

hallettj@leminal.space on 29 Aug 2024 22:53 next collapse

Stardate, 2024-08-30T06:34:17.993Z

mosiacmango@lemm.ee on 30 Aug 2024 00:20 next collapse

Hilariously, Star treks “stardates” are not uniform. The format shifts season to season and show to show.

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 01:27 collapse

It’s standardized now

prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 12:18 collapse

1725020287 is the true time as of right now

Zaktor@sopuli.xyz on 29 Aug 2024 23:28 next collapse

Metric is about measurements, not formatting. The date measurement is in days, months, and years for both ISO 8601 and what’s shown.

qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website on 30 Aug 2024 00:55 next collapse

I always prefer it without the dashes. And just add on HHMMSS while we’re at it!

Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 2024 07:23 collapse

This is the ideal file date format for sure.

stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip on 29 Aug 2024 22:38 next collapse

Is anyone here planning to watch the episodes over the time they’re supposed to occur? I’m thinking of watching part 1 tomorrow due to it being the date on the calendar onscreen, and part 2 the next day.

lordnikon@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 23:09 collapse

if you were going to do that it would make sense to watch part one tomorrow and part two on Sept 3rd.

stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip on 29 Aug 2024 23:18 collapse

True, that would be better. I was just going to watch them two nights in a row, but I might do that instead!

halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 22:53 next collapse

America officially switched to the metric system decades ago. We just don’t use it on a daily basis, but officially the US is metric.

In 1988 Congress passed the Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act, which made the metric system the preferred system of weights and measures for U.S. trade and commerce.

In 1991 President Bush issued Executive Order 12770, which mandated the transition to metric measurement for all federal agencies.

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 30 Aug 2024 00:06 next collapse

I remember learning all metric in elementary school in the early to mid 80s much to my mother’s chagrin (any thing I learned that was different than what/how she learned in Catholic school was bad, including a second language). Then having to relearn standard in middle school. I still have to count all of the lines on a tape measure.

JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz on 30 Aug 2024 06:43 next collapse

As a metric-raised guy I find extremely difficult following the tutorials of woodworkers that start putting 2feet 3 inches and 9/16 in the measurements that converts to 700,0875mm wich i guess is an approximation of 70cms

halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 18:11 collapse

Things like woodworking are exactly where the imperial system came from. Because daily usable lengths like a foot are using base 12 not base 10, it can be divided much more evenly even before needing fractions.

prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 12:21 collapse

I was taught the metric system in US Schools in the late 80s and 90s.

Sure we don’t use it daily but I still know it.

I know that I need to convert to it and how to convert to it if necessary.

For anything that’s not interacting with a human I’d use the metric system, for anything interacting with a human I’d display both.

No1@aussie.zone on 31 Aug 2024 17:48 collapse

I want a 473ml of beer, please and thank you.

kevinrns@mstdn.social on 31 Aug 2024 17:53 collapse

@No1

That's called a can. Can I have a can of beer.

No1@aussie.zone on 01 Sep 2024 00:54 collapse

Also known as “Not enough” XD

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone on 29 Aug 2024 23:01 next collapse

Laughs in 8th day of the 30th month.

xia@lemmy.sdf.org on 29 Aug 2024 23:37 next collapse

Year 24

quinkin@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 04:45 collapse

Some beautiful Trigintember weather we are having.

rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 00:38 next collapse

Turns out it was just someone who didn’t know how to change the setting.

spyd3r@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 01:12 next collapse

Watching that episode now

<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/02e840af-debc-450e-939a-7eeb93198438.jpeg">

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llii@discuss.tchncs.de on 30 Aug 2024 05:39 next collapse

Is that a laser disc?

spyd3r@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 10:55 collapse

Yes sir, and it actually has better quality picture than the DVDs, although it is way more impractical and expensive.

<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/61853958-cfb8-45d0-bc2b-9cce8595c611.png">

llii@discuss.tchncs.de on 30 Aug 2024 14:04 collapse

Wow, that’s amazing!

Corgana@startrek.website on 30 Aug 2024 11:57 collapse

Were you the one sharing some laserdisc screenshots in /c/startrek a while back? I remember being really impressed with the quality.

chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Aug 2024 04:04 next collapse

I don’t know the episode, but unless that’s some extremely official time piece controlled by the government or something, it could just be someone like me. I live in the US, and several of the temp gauges in the house are celcius, including the one I keep at my desk and my in room A/C (set at 25 atm).

I also used to keep my car on km/h instead of mph just for fun and confusing anyone who rode with me why I was going 80 on local roads or 130 on the highway.

luciferofastora@lemmy.zip on 30 Aug 2024 04:52 collapse

25? You must be freezing!

(25°F is below freezing point, -3.9°C, but 25°C is a comfortable room temperature, 77°F)

Daxtron2@startrek.website on 30 Aug 2024 04:28 next collapse

Oh shit are the bell riots happening rn? I gotta get prepped

Anticorp@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 04:37 collapse

They start this Sunday.

JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz on 30 Aug 2024 06:32 collapse

But today is Friday

Corgana@startrek.website on 31 Aug 2024 01:05 collapse

Don’t tell me… Tuesday.

cheddar@programming.dev on 30 Aug 2024 06:58 next collapse

August 30 would be 30.08.2024.

dch82@lemmy.zip on 30 Aug 2024 07:28 next collapse

Nope, 2024-08-30

Comment105@lemm.ee on 30 Aug 2024 08:08 next collapse

Nope, it’s 30 \ 24 / 08

dch82@lemmy.zip on 30 Aug 2024 08:23 next collapse

https://xkcd.com/1179/

<img alt="ISO 8601 was published on 06/05/88 and most recently amended on 12/01/04" src="https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/dd0ab633-ffbe-4e19-80f2-cb02f3004ffe.webp">

Grimpen@lemmy.ca on 30 Aug 2024 18:12 collapse

Relevant XKCD

techognito@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 15:31 collapse

way to long just short it down: 3248

clearly the best way to show date

This should be obvious, but just in case people take this seriously. It’ a joke

halm@leminal.space on 30 Aug 2024 08:26 collapse

This is the only rational order, descending in order of magnitude.

Custoslibera@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 15:01 collapse

How do you abbreviate a date in YYYY/MM/DD format?

In the DD/MM/YYYY format I can tell someone I am available to meet on 26/07; the year is known contextually as it only changes once a year.

If I start to tell people I am available 26/07 am I available for all of July in 2026?

michaelgemar@mstdn.ca on 30 Aug 2024 15:07 next collapse

@Custoslibera @startrek You can still say you’re available July 26.

LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org on 30 Aug 2024 16:01 next collapse

07-26, surely?

halm@leminal.space on 30 Aug 2024 16:23 next collapse

YY/MM/DD or casual short MM/DD (where the year is understood). It’s no different, you just skip the year if it’s a given 😄 But for archival purposes, file naming etc, the YYYY part is mandatory.

Pockybum522@lemmy.zip on 03 Nov 2024 22:25 collapse

Wait really? Your first example is also ambiguous for 12 years out of every 100

NostraDavid@programming.dev on 02 Sep 2024 16:07 collapse

2024-08-30, but yes. Is that a German notation? Boo! ISO8601/RFC3339 or DEAAAAATH!

ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/

strongarm@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Aug 2024 07:31 next collapse

This was something I found strange in the new Alien: Romulus film, why were the temperature readings in a science vessel for a space faring civilisation in Fahrenheit!?

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone on 30 Aug 2024 08:39 next collapse

They all keep dying in Alien films though, so it tracks with the level of incompetence shown elsewhere.

ITGuyLevi@programming.dev on 30 Aug 2024 11:25 collapse

I’m with the whole ‘metric is better crowd’, I mean base 10, c’mon that makes shit easy. On the other hand, I prefer Fahrenheit for temp 100%, Celsius is just not good for it (personal preference I guess). A lot of that is probably due to growing up in the USA, but having lived in a few other countries I just prefer Fahrenheit.

Edit: dang ya’ll, didn’t mean to cause all the drama, I’ll calm down now… I guess personal preferences get taken as personal attacks sometimes lol

prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 12:16 next collapse

The increased measurement in the Fahrenheit scale allows for more precise representation of the temperature between humans.

Whole numbers and a larger scale for human ranges.

That said, the same thing can be done with metric by using the magical decimal, though idk if I’ve ever seen a temperature in C related that way.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 12:24 next collapse

That said, the same thing can be done with metric by using the magical decimal, though idk if I’ve ever seen a temperature in C related that way.

People using Celsius that ever cared that temperatures didn’t add decimals for increased precision in weather reports, please raise your hand.

prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 12:30 collapse

👋

Having grown up with Fahrenheit there is a difference between 78 degrees (26ish) and 80 (still 26ish)

The increased granularity for human ranges actually is noticeable.

If you think I’m advocating for Standard over Metric than you’ve wholly misunderstood me.

The metric SYSTEM is hands down the better of the two.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 13:57 next collapse

There is a difference. Does it matter? Eeeeh…

frazorth@feddit.uk on 31 Aug 2024 05:15 collapse

78 F is 25 C and 80 F is 26 C.

Just saying “ish” doesn’t suddenly make them the same. In C they are different numbers.

ricdeh@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 12:27 next collapse

What? 1 °C is absolutely a fine enough stepping for everything the average human will want to convey about temperature.

BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world on 30 Aug 2024 18:27 collapse

Some people actually think they can tell the difference between 70 and 72 Fahrenheit and those people could save a lot of money on medications by switching entirely to placebos for everything.

michaelgemar@mstdn.ca on 30 Aug 2024 12:32 next collapse

@prettybunnys @startrek I can tell a difference of 1 C more than I can 1 degree F. And living in a climate where it freezes in winter, it makes far more sense to me that a massively important environmental change is marked by 0 than by 32.

Hagdos@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 14:22 collapse

For weather prediction it usually isn’t that accurate anyway, and varies over time and location a lot.

For the thermostat it does matter, but usually you can set these in steps of 0.5°C. Mine reports back in 0.1°C steps.

CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 2024 06:23 collapse

Quick Celsius breakdown from a Canadian:

  • 40+ - most Canadians stop eating food and hope for a quick death
  • 35 - you might just be able to live with this if you do nothing at all
  • 28 - right about the place where comfort gives way to a general sense of warmth, something that makes any Canadian uncomfortable
  • 23 - room temperature, and why “room temperature IQ” is an insult only Americans could have come up with because their scale was made by a madman
  • 15 - If it’s Autumn you are wearing a light jacket, if it’s Spring you are sweating
  • 5 - sweater time
  • 0 to -10 - that stereotypical TV winter experience, where everyone is skating and sipping hot chocolate? Yeah that’s like half the year here. You better like hot chocolate.
  • -15 - We enjoy the fresh air, others will probably find it painful to breathe directly; put on a scarf! Do not brush your teeth immediately before going outside unless you want to experience mint-flavoured pain.
  • -20 - Canadians put their boots on by now. Exposed skin on a windy day can get frostbite in as little as 10 minutes.
  • -30 - We will debate putting a coat on to put the garbage out at this temperature, usually erring on the side of caution in case your kids lock you outside again. Seriously invest in good winter gear for this, this temperature can kill surprisingly fast and it only gets increasingly unpleasant from here.
  • -40 - turns out you can’t form snowballs in hell because the snow is too crispy
clacksee@wandering.shop on 31 Aug 2024 06:26 collapse

@CancerMancer
Very much depends on both the humidex and wind chill. Basically, it’s the ‘feels like’ temperature that matters rather than the literal one.

CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works on 02 Sep 2024 11:35 collapse

I live in one of the more humid areas of Canada and when people tell you it can’t get humid when it’s that cold I wonder if they’ve ever experienced how the cold can just cut right through your clothes.

Summer humidity is absolutely the worst though, and people die here every year because of it.

dch82@lemmy.zip on 30 Aug 2024 08:39 next collapse

That’s crap. Kelvin is the only true metric temperature measurement.

Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 10:47 next collapse

But still write dates wrong

Psythik@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 11:38 collapse

Year-Month-Day is the only way. It’s chronological!

0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Aug 2024 12:45 next collapse

day should be first because it’s the one that changes the most often and we read left to right.

Psythik@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 12:50 next collapse

Next you’re going to suggest that 2000 should come immediately after 1000 (instead of 1001) because we read left-to-right.

filcuk@lemmy.zip on 30 Aug 2024 14:45 next collapse

People be hatin but I agree. in instances where the only goal is for a human to read the date, dd-mm-yyyy or even dd mmm(m) yyyy are better UX.

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 16:27 next collapse

Putting the year first makes archiving easier. Your computer literally puts everything in order that way. Day first, and it will be sorted by the most frequently changing element.

Also year first allows you to timestamp your files, so they are sorted by what time you created them that day.

Sorting by day, at the end of the year you’ll have files from the first day of each month grouped together, then the second day, and so on. Still searchable, but not as orderly.

0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Aug 2024 19:04 collapse

yea but I was talking in the context of a clock. for the uses you described YYYY MM DD is obviously better

[deleted] on 30 Aug 2024 16:30 next collapse

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0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Aug 2024 19:03 collapse

use YYYY MM DD in the backend then.

P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br on 31 Aug 2024 17:27 collapse

I agree.

Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 17:34 collapse

And rhymes

PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 30 Aug 2024 11:22 next collapse

15c better be the temp inside the building, because it sure as shit is hotter anywhere else.

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 16:35 next collapse

They could be in New Zealand or Chile, if they hadn’t referenced The US… Maybe they are in Nome, AK

Trafficone@slrpnk.net on 31 Aug 2024 06:31 collapse

Holy shit looked up the temps in San Francisco and yes it’s 15C

ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io on 30 Aug 2024 13:31 next collapse

While you're at it, switch over to DD/MM/YYYY for the date format. The only 2 configurations that make sense is that or YYYY/MM/DD. Either go general to specific or specific to general, MM/DD/YYYY makes no sense.

dafo@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 14:36 next collapse

No, switch to ISO8601

filcuk@lemmy.zip on 30 Aug 2024 14:42 next collapse

Overly strict for anything day to day, overly permissive for anything important.
RFC 3339 is where it’s at.

Grimpen@lemmy.ca on 30 Aug 2024 18:09 collapse

TIL.

For purposes of this post though, RFC 3339 and ISO8601 are identical. Dates in the format YYYY-MM-DD, so 2024-08-29 is both RFC3339 and ISO8601 compliant.

Not an expert, just spent around 2 minutes looking at ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/

Hupf@feddit.org on 30 Aug 2024 18:36 collapse
KellysNokia@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 17:19 collapse

Bonus benefit - files starting with ISO dates sort alphabetically 🧠

pyre@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 18:33 collapse

that’s already how i save versions of my files. dd-mm-yy doesn’t make sense with files.

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 15:11 next collapse

It makes sense because of the way we say the date - eg today is November 21st, 1999. We don’t usually say it’s the 21st of November in conversation.

Eta: I wasn’t giving any value statement for the date order lol. Just explaining the rationale for why the date is written in that order - that’s how people talk. If linguistics as a concept bothers you, well… that’s on you.

[deleted] on 30 Aug 2024 15:13 next collapse

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AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 16:26 next collapse

Well bully for them. They aren’t 'Murica, and you can’t make us do anything we don’t want to!

/s but not really. It’s far too accurate for far too many of my countrymen

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 15:23 collapse

Sure, other countries do and that’s fine too. I’m not saying it’s good or bad or placing any value on it because it’s not that big of a deal to me. And I used to regularly deal with this because I’d write dates for official international paperwork pretty often.

I’m simply saying the reason we order our dates the way we do, and are resistant en masse to changing it, has to do with the way we say the date and so it makes the most sense to the general public to write as we speak. I literally don’t care how the date is written because I can and have done both. I’m not prescribing action here either.

StormWalker@lemmy.zip on 31 Aug 2024 07:47 next collapse

Here in the UK we would say “I will visit you on the 19th of September” for example. I have never heard anyone say the month first. It’s just different custom. We also drive on the other side of the road…! At the beginning it would have been helpful if the world would have agreed on a standard either way. Then it would stop confusion. (And less car accidents from people on holiday/vacation on the wrong side of the road! 😅

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 14:54 next collapse

Yeah linguistics are interesting for sure!

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 15:05 collapse

Right, we’d automatically just say September 19th here.

It’s also why we say September 11th, and why “4th of July” is said the way it is - it’s a special day so it gets ordered differently to draw attention to it and to make it appear like a more formal holiday, since saying Day of Month is considered a more formal way of speaking here. Juneteenth also follows the Month/Day naming scheme.

martinb@lemmy.sdf.org on 31 Aug 2024 10:41 next collapse

Try this…

"What date is it today? "

“Today is the 31st”

“31st of what?”

“The 31st of August”

“…?”

“Today is Saturday the 31st of August, 2024”

Etc.

See. It works even more so

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 15:01 collapse

“Today is Saturday the 31st of August, 2024”

No one says that in the US like that lol. Like say that sentence out loud, that’s so long and exhausting and stilted for no reason. If my friend said the date to me like that, i would think they were upset about something or being weird. We’d automatically switch it over and say “August 31st, 2024,” or even “8/31/24” because when people ask for the date while writing a check, for instance, they are going to write it numerically anyway.

Idk what’s the point of your argument. To gaslight me in how everyday Americans talk?

“31st of what?”

You had to invite the other speaker in this scenario to mirror your format before they’d actually imitate the stilted way of saying “31st of August.” Not even in your fantasies do Americans talk like that naturally.

I’m not even saying we SHOULD keep it that way - it makes things confusing at times. Just that common use has kept it ordered this way.

martinb@lemmy.sdf.org on 31 Aug 2024 15:48 next collapse

In Europe, we do say 31st August. Want gaslighting, just giving examples.

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 17:59 collapse

Alright, that’s fine. Just not commonly said in US.

brianary@startrek.website on 31 Aug 2024 15:57 collapse

I wouldn’t even notice it as unusual, even though it isn’t my usual order. It could vary by region or profession, or maybe it’s just you that notices it this acutely. In plain English emails and other narrative text, I always use “Sat Aug 31” (adding the year only when ambiguous), which is short but complete, and includes the day of the week, which is much more important to humans than the month anyway.

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 18:04 collapse

Are you just completely ignorant to the subject of linguistics?

brianary@startrek.website on 31 Aug 2024 18:14 collapse

Touché.

Corgana@startrek.website on 01 Sep 2024 01:02 collapse

I love that Lemmy dinguses are downvoting you for being completely rational and normal.

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 2024 00:11 collapse

Story of my account. These words exist as a monument of spite

Bertuccio@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 15:33 next collapse

DD/MM/YYYY is absolutely crazy. There is only one format that makes sense.

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/58aa0637-9c23-4ab6-8e4c-b7aab681bfb2.png">

zarcher@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 16:08 collapse

Just draw the triangle the other way for DD/MM/YYYY. It makes sense that people want to know the day first, that is the most important part tbh

Bertuccio@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 17:46 next collapse

Just draw it wrong and it will make sense!

darkstar@sh.itjust.works on 12 Sep 2024 09:05 collapse

No, the most important part is having a standard to conform to that makes sense, like ISO 8601…

brianary@startrek.website on 31 Aug 2024 16:08 collapse

Months are the craziest, weirdest, stupidest measure humanity has used for this long. ISO8601 week dates make more sense, or even the French Revolutionary Calendar. Humans organize all of society by weeks, not by months. Compare last January to next January, or last February to next February for metrics. Do they have the same number of weekdays vs weekend days? Even if they do, do they happen at the same point in the month so you can compare the flow of the month? Now compare two weeks, and that’s apples to apples. Group by weeks instead of months and your irregular, bumpy graph smooths right out. We only hang on to Gregorian months out of inertia.

Ensign_Seitler@startrek.website on 31 Aug 2024 16:33 collapse

Months are one of the best ways for a low-tech/pre-tech culture to keep track of dates (using the Zodiac for something it can actually do—act as a calendar you can see no matter where you are in the world).

Keeping them around is a sensible fail-safe in case some nuclear power sets us back into the dark ages.

brianary@startrek.website on 31 Aug 2024 17:14 next collapse

If that were true, intercalary months shouldn’t have been necessary.

Ensign_Seitler@startrek.website on 31 Aug 2024 17:22 collapse

I’m pretty sure that “oh, shoot, things got wonky… toss a 13th month in here real quick” is due to people trying to force months to fit weeks.

It’s the opposite of what I was saying about the role that months play in timekeeping & how they work.

ALSO, the same can be said for weeks & leap days… so if it’s a point against months, it’s just as much a point against weeks.

brianary@startrek.website on 31 Aug 2024 17:29 collapse

Not a problem for the FRC, and 2023-W20 compares just fine with 2024-W20. Same part of the year, and the weekend is in the same spot.

jerkface@lemmy.ca on 02 Sep 2024 00:20 collapse

Keeping them around is a sensible fail-safe in case some nuclear power sets us back into the dark ages.

Honestly can’t tell if you are joking but I really hope you are

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 16:25 next collapse

Hey, did anybody remember to turn off skynet yesterday before 2:13 AM?

Etterra@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 18:29 collapse

Well I’m still breathing, so I guess so.

data1701d@startrek.website on 30 Aug 2024 18:59 next collapse

I think our whole timeline spans from some Romulan plot about something involving handing a compilation of Federation history to some weird guy… What was his name? Gene Roddenberry?

anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 2024 15:03 next collapse

Star Trek really was overly optimistic.

Star Trek future now!

M0oP0o@mander.xyz on 31 Aug 2024 17:23 next collapse

Hate to point this out, but the fact there is a “C” on the sign kinda shows that no America did not adopt the metric system. If the US did there would be no reason to have “F” or “C” by the degrees as they are the last hold out.

Vigge93@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 22:33 collapse

No, even if you only had one unit for a physical quantity, you would still need to specify that unit to know which physical quantity you are describing. E.g. “That object over there is 15” vs “That object over there is 15 kg”.

The symbol for temperature, measured in Celsius, is “°C”. It’s atomic and can’t be separated, since that would result in °, which represents the angle of something, not the temperature, and C, which is the symbol for Coulomb, which measures electric charge.

michaelgemar@mstdn.ca on 31 Aug 2024 22:51 next collapse

@Vigge93 @startrek In casual circumstances some units can be omitted. If I’m in the US and am asked about my height and weight, i can say “I’m five-ten and weigh one-eighty” and most folks will understand.

M0oP0o@mander.xyz on 31 Aug 2024 22:55 collapse

In the reference picture of this clock the degree symbol does that. This is something you can see outside of the US on almost all temp readings, my phone for example does not have F or C next to it. (It is still in Celsius since I am not a monster)

Vigge93@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 2024 09:52 collapse

I disagree, and would argue that both are about equally frequent. For example, my phone shows °C in the weather widget, while the weather app only uses °. That does not change the fact that the actual unit is °C, and that would not change even if the whole world switched away from °F, and your original comment about the display having °C implying that °F still exists is therefore incorrect.

P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br on 31 Aug 2024 17:25 next collapse

Thank God! As a non United-stasian, I believe this will make things better. The imperial system looks broken as hell to me, if you see a chart comparing both, you will see what I mean.
/not joking, not in the mood of hearing sacarsm.

P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br on 31 Aug 2024 17:28 next collapse

Is this real? I can’t tell. /g

frezik@midwest.social on 31 Aug 2024 18:16 next collapse

This is the most unrealistic thing about the episode.

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 31 Aug 2024 18:54 next collapse

Far more likely that whoever installed the clock just forgot to change the units.

Stormygeddon@startrek.website on 03 Sep 2024 03:04 collapse

Maybe they were attending number 15 ^o^ C at that processing center.