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ValueSubtracted@startrek.website on 16 Mar 2024 18:21 next collapse

“I am not able to say much, but I can say that it is Paramount’s intent to figure out the Star Trek side of movies and what’s going on there. There’s every intent of a new movie coming out in the very near future. There’s a lot of secrecy around what’s going to happen there. But there is a plan getting into place. And we’re very excited to see it return to the big screen.”

Honestly, this seems more like a “plan to make a plan” to me.

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michaelgemar@mstdn.ca on 16 Mar 2024 18:27 collapse

@gregorum @startrek I really think the franchise works best on television.

gregorum@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 2024 18:30 collapse

I really must agree! While an occasional cinematic outing can be enjoyable, Trek is at its best on the small screen!

Edit: incidentally, for as much as I love the OT, I feel the same applies for the Star Wars franchise. Dave Filoni and John Favrau have done more with that franchise that Lucas ever could!

michaelgemar@mstdn.ca on 16 Mar 2024 18:38 collapse

@gregorum I enjoy the excitement and spectacle of the original trilogy, but I agree that some of the SW TV shows have been excellent, and told stories that movies couldn’t.

gregorum@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 2024 18:43 collapse

Guilty pleasure: I really loved all of the boring political intrigue of the prequel trilogy and learning how the government of the Galactic Republic worked and how Palpy maneuvered into power and then overthrew the Republic and reorganized it into The Empire. I found all that boring shit fascinating, even as those films were, to their purpose, boring failures amd their stories told terribly. Because I’m a filthy neeeeeeerd.

For the PT, I was more interested in the story than the plot, and then relied more on Close Wars for coverage of the era, for Anakin story/plot, and, of course, Ahsoka.

michaelgemar@mstdn.ca on 16 Mar 2024 18:46 collapse

@gregorum I was actually ok with the political aspects of the prequels. I just thought that, personally speaking, the writing was pretty clunky and heavy-handed. I think Andor showed there’s plenty of room to do political intrigue in the Star Wars universe.

gregorum@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 2024 18:54 collapse

Yeah, the plot of the PT and the characters were just so dull and weird. Lucan can’t do dialogue.

But Andor really shines with its political intrigue and that’s what I love so much about it. Seeing inside the ISB is awesome! that and how it tells such a deep, human story that’s as much about the characters as it is about the universe it’s in.

See, that’s the thing about Andor that really stands out from even The Mandolorian (although there’s a good deal of it there): these don’t feel like characters a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. Lucas wrote stories based on character archetypes from ancient mythology. Filoni and Favrau write characters and storylines based on allegory and metaphor for people here and now, today and in timeless social and political struggle and strife. They’re relatable, so their dramas, their struggles, their hopes and aspirations for freedom resonate with us on a much closer level. They become personal. We identify with them. And, as a result, we become personally invested in their journey and their fate.

michaelgemar@mstdn.ca on 16 Mar 2024 18:55 collapse

@gregorum Great analysis!

gregorum@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 2024 19:03 collapse

Filoni and Favrau have learned how to leverage the development of the personal relationship of fandom and tie it to the development of quality long-form storytelling in prestige television for streaming. And they’re passionate about the franchise and material.

Terry Matalis showed a great capacity for this when he took over PIC S03, as have the showrunners/producers of Prodigy, especially how they’ve held their shit together during the whole debacle that’s been going on with the production of that show. Ya know… Trek’s greatest asset WRT storytelling was decades of both the 26 episode/season allowance plus the episodic format. It gave so much breathing room to explore the Trek universe and to develop characters. Today, we have galaxy-sized budgets, but the space and time we have to tell these stories has shrunk so much that Trek hasn’t really adapted to it still. And it has suffered for it.

Trek needs to remember that it’s relationship with its core fandom is one of its greatest assets and to leverage that to start developing much more personal stories and storylines rather than flagrantly flipping us the bird to chase ever-diminishing profits by producing shows that are all flash and no substance, run and written by people with no knowledge of Trek, if not open contempt for it.

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Fal@yiffit.net on 16 Mar 2024 19:50 next collapse

I just want a new series like voyager. Taking place in the future (not prequels), doing something unique, having a cohesive progressive storyline but not necessarily extremely serialized like picard, and with new characters

Oddbin@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 2024 20:49 collapse

Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I’d like more Trek out beyond the current lore, it’s own thing that is in the same universe but not directly tied to anything we’ve got. Star Trek is running into that Skywalker’s everywhere issue that Star Wars has.

The best idea I’ve seen so far (IMHO) steals from Stargate by sending a ship via a transwarp one way-esque jump to another galaxy. That lets you star fresh but still dip into the existing lore if/when. Then as the series goes on slowly but surely Starfleet gets more of a foothold, builds a star base/outpost, transwarp link-thing, you get more ships, more people, more spinoffs etc.

Struck me as a “clean” start of sorts.

Fal@yiffit.net on 17 Mar 2024 01:04 collapse

It doesn’t have to be fully unique either. How about revisiting the delta quadrant?

shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol on 16 Mar 2024 20:31 collapse

It helps that most of the TNG cast are really good voice actors.

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Wooster@startrek.website on 16 Mar 2024 19:28 next collapse

“There’s every intent of a new movie coming out in the very near future”

I’m reading this to mean that the S31 movie is coming out sometime this summer. Between Discovery and Lower Decks. After October or so doesn’t sound ‘very neat future’ to me.

I’m also not reading much into the ‘trying to figure out’ how to get the movies to the big screen. We know that S31 will be a P+ exclusive. Regardless of if it’s because of some preexisting contract with what was CBS All Access when the original project got green lit all those years ago or because S31’s lore leans too heavily on S1-3 Discovery to stand on its own, S31 was never going to be in major theaters.

The purported Picard, Kelvin 4, or even the pitched Lower Decks movies? Those are probably going to actually be in theaters.

beefcat@beehaw.org on 16 Mar 2024 20:51 next collapse

Lower Decks movie?

Wooster@startrek.website on 16 Mar 2024 22:44 collapse

McMahan has previously tried to garner support for a LD movie, live action at that, but there’s nothing to suggest that it’s been greenlit. If anything, we may have gotten LD S5 instead.

ValueSubtracted@startrek.website on 16 Mar 2024 20:53 collapse

In context, Roth states, “we’re very excited to see it return to the big screen.” That would seem to rule out that he’s referring to the S31 movie.

I also think a summer release is highly unlikely for that, considering production only began at the end of January.

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Crowfiend@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 2024 01:51 next collapse

Lol I saw the drama thread about this like 20 minutes before finding this thread on my feed. The mod(s) doing this are really shooting themselves in the everything here. Soon the userbase here will hit critical low and there’ll be no opinions that are contrary to the mighty overlords opinions.

They’ll finally have a place with only their thoughts and judgements. Nobody talking back or saying what they think, just agreeing with the oppressors. Just them and the bots they made to parrot and agree with them.

I guess I’ll just wait patiently for my 30 day ban for saying anything though.

ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de on 17 Mar 2024 02:29 next collapse

So long as it’s not every damned year with 5 spin offs and a Disney world parade.

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ThuleanSneed@startrek.website on 20 Mar 2024 19:14 next collapse