halm@leminal.space
on 14 Feb 2024 11:17
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Even the Romulan-heavy Star Trek: Picard Season 1 avoided addressing or explaining the supernova in any detail.
Explaining? Stars go supernova occasionally, there’s your explanation. There doesn’t need to be further cause or intervention behind it.
IMO this is a solution (or really several) looking for a problem that just doesn’t exist. As it stands and despite fan speculation, Romulus was destroyed by a natural disaster, which is actually something that happens on Earth and in the wider universe.
Taleya@aussie.zone
on 14 Feb 2024 13:19
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Especially since 2009 had it not be the romulan star, but one near enough for the shockwave to tank Romulus
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 14 Feb 2024 13:32
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SPOCK PRIME: (voice-over) That is where I’m from, Jim. The future. The star went supernova…
SPOCK PRIME: (voice-over) …consuming everything in its path. I promised the Romulans that I would save their planet…
If the sun in question was the Romulan star, then turning it into a black hole to contain the explosion would not save the planet.
Killing the star would not save their planet.
Anything involving Romulus’ star means that ‘saving the planet’ is completely impossible.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 14 Feb 2024 23:23
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Yeah, I agree that that part of the dialogue is problematic. However, “Picard” definitively stated that it was the Romulan star.
knotthatone@lemmy.one
on 22 Feb 2024 17:52
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Anything involving Romulus’ star means that ‘saving the planet’ is completely impossible.
Eventually, yes, but if it were possible to collapse the exploding star in a way that didn’t totally roast the planet it would buy a fair bit of time to continue the evacuation. It’ll get very cold and photosynthesis will stop, but with enough power and food, the population could hang on for several years if needed.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 14 Feb 2024 13:34
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Stars go supernova occasionally
Not spontaneously, with only a handful of years’ notice, they don’t.
I’m all for Trek science being a little weird, but it seems very likely that there was some funny business going on for the star to suddenly blow up and threaten the entire galaxy.
e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net
on 14 Feb 2024 14:06
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Yeah, with Star Trek-level technology, you should be able to tell to the week when a star will nova about 10,000 years in advance.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 14 Feb 2024 14:14
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The wiggle room within Star Trek is that the Tkon Empire was supposedly wiped out by a supernova despite being a highly advanced civilization, and in “Second Sight” the DS9 crew boosts the top speed of a ship to warp 9.5, which suggests that a supernova can have superliminal consequences.
But there’s nothing to suggest the Tkon supernova was a natural phenomenon, and the hijinks they were up to in “Second Sight” certainly wasn’t.
BreadOven@lemmy.world
on 16 Feb 2024 00:39
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No spoiler warning?
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 16 Feb 2024 00:40
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…for what? The Romulan supernova was in the '09 film.
BreadOven@lemmy.world
on 16 Feb 2024 03:53
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Sorry haha, I forgot to put the /s at the end. My mistake.
MaddieTian@lemmy.zip
on 17 Feb 2024 00:41
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It doesn’t really need to.
There’s enough evidence with the shear amount of canon inaccuracies in Discovery, Picard S1 & S2, LD & SNW that they are actually set in the Kelvin timeline.
They can’t all be down to bad writing, a lot of them sure, but not all.
The whole premise of the supernova in ST 09 was the product of terrible writing.
“A supernova that threatened the galaxy.”
That’s simply not how supernova work.
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website
on 26 Feb 2024 03:43
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Uhm, I don’t need the Romulan Supernova to be tied up with a bow.
But I also appreciate that writers like to be able to be the ones to bring closure to their own stories. Alex Kurtzman was the cowriter of Star Trek (2009). I can see how he would like to be the one to lay down the incontrovertible canon that ties the loose ends that the Kelvin movies and Picard have left us with. And he’s co Showrunner of Discovery so it was his vehicle to do it with.
So, I would be cool if this resolves some things and helps us to understand better the butterfly effect that destroyed a civilization, split the resilient Prime time and perhaps even give us some deeper hints on what caused the Mirror Universe to split off.
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The idea had crossed my mind, and the timeline of the “ancient artifact” lines up well enough. I’d also like to see the Romulan supernova addressed…
However, I’d actually prefer it to be handled by “Lower Decks”, which is set in that rough timeframe.
They made the Koala angry
Prodigy is in about the right time period too.
Star Trek Online already explained it:
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Indeed, the article devotes three paragraphs to that explanation.
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Explaining? Stars go supernova occasionally, there’s your explanation. There doesn’t need to be further cause or intervention behind it.
IMO this is a solution (or really several) looking for a problem that just doesn’t exist. As it stands and despite fan speculation, Romulus was destroyed by a natural disaster, which is actually something that happens on Earth and in the wider universe.
Especially since 2009 had it not be the romulan star, but one near enough for the shockwave to tank Romulus
That’s from tie-in material, not the film itself.
From the script:
If the sun in question was the Romulan star, then turning it into a black hole to contain the explosion would not save the planet.
Killing the star would not save their planet.
Anything involving Romulus’ star means that ‘saving the planet’ is completely impossible.
Yeah, I agree that that part of the dialogue is problematic. However, “Picard” definitively stated that it was the Romulan star.
Eventually, yes, but if it were possible to collapse the exploding star in a way that didn’t totally roast the planet it would buy a fair bit of time to continue the evacuation. It’ll get very cold and photosynthesis will stop, but with enough power and food, the population could hang on for several years if needed.
Not spontaneously, with only a handful of years’ notice, they don’t.
I’m all for Trek science being a little weird, but it seems very likely that there was some funny business going on for the star to suddenly blow up and threaten the entire galaxy.
Yeah, with Star Trek-level technology, you should be able to tell to the week when a star will nova about 10,000 years in advance.
The wiggle room within Star Trek is that the Tkon Empire was supposedly wiped out by a supernova despite being a highly advanced civilization, and in “Second Sight” the DS9 crew boosts the top speed of a ship to warp 9.5, which suggests that a supernova can have superliminal consequences.
But there’s nothing to suggest the Tkon supernova was a natural phenomenon, and the hijinks they were up to in “Second Sight” certainly wasn’t.
No spoiler warning?
…for what? The Romulan supernova was in the '09 film.
Sorry haha, I forgot to put the /s at the end. My mistake.
It doesn’t really need to.
There’s enough evidence with the shear amount of canon inaccuracies in Discovery, Picard S1 & S2, LD & SNW that they are actually set in the Kelvin timeline.
They can’t all be down to bad writing, a lot of them sure, but not all.
The whole premise of the supernova in ST 09 was the product of terrible writing.
“A supernova that threatened the galaxy.”
That’s simply not how supernova work.
Uhm, I don’t need the Romulan Supernova to be tied up with a bow.
But I also appreciate that writers like to be able to be the ones to bring closure to their own stories. Alex Kurtzman was the cowriter of Star Trek (2009). I can see how he would like to be the one to lay down the incontrovertible canon that ties the loose ends that the Kelvin movies and Picard have left us with. And he’s co Showrunner of Discovery so it was his vehicle to do it with.
So, I would be cool if this resolves some things and helps us to understand better the butterfly effect that destroyed a civilization, split the resilient Prime time and perhaps even give us some deeper hints on what caused the Mirror Universe to split off.