ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 17:05
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Excluded from the deal are Canada, where Prodigy is carried by CTV.ca and the CTV App, and in SkyShowtime’s European territories: the Nordics, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and Central and Eastern Europe.
WrittenWeird@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 2023 17:23
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This Canadian currently pays for:
Premium/4k/ Expensive Netflix
Amazon Prime
Disney+
Paramount+
YouTube Premium
Crave (going away at Christmas)
Curiosity Stream
CBC Gem
Spotify
The CTV App can fuck itself. I’ll be pirating the show and I’m not even ashamed.-
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 17:24
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Jeeze, I wasn’t even aware that Gem had a paid tier…
Wow, Canada must charge a lot more for cable than the US then. When I cut the cord in 2012 I was paying about $60 USD per month. I just got an offer for $70/mo for 2 years. You are paying more then that at least.
I was paying $120ish for cable in 2014 (not including cable internet, with that it was nearly $200). We would have cut the cord earlier, but without cable our internet went way up and we may as well have had cable too.
Yeah, they tried that here too. Luckily the state stepped in and made it hard for the cable company to monopolize the system like that.
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 22:13
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Weird that it’s excluded in Canada - since it won’t be streaming on Crave as well as broadcast on CTV Sci-fi.
Up to now, Netflix has been able to get the streaming rights to CTV Sci-Fi Channel shows if Crave doesn’t take the complementary streaming portion of the Canadian market.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 22:25
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It’s a little clear, but I think there’s a chance it will show up on CTV Sci-Fi. We’ll have to see.
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website
on 12 Oct 2023 00:56
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I’m not seeing the coming in 2024 notice on my Netflix in Canada nor the option to be reminded when it’s released.
CTV’s app is still showing all 20 episodes of Prodigy season one listed as available for CTV Sci-fi Channel subscribers.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 17:17
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I saw this article first, but startrek.com has an announcement with a couple of brief quotes:
“Thank you to our incredible Star Trek: Prodigy fans, who championed not just a show, but a community that’s always been connected by the belief that we build a better future together,” said executive producer Alex Kurtzman and co-showrunners Dan and Kevin Hageman. “We set out to inspire you, but you inspired us. The team is still hard at work on the second season, and we can’t wait to share it with the amazing fans around the world.”
“I’ve always held that the Star Trek fan base is among the strongest and most intelligent in the world. They have shown their collective passion, and we’re happy to be able to celebrate Prodigy once again,” said Kate Mulgrew, voice of Admiral Janeway.
Technically, they’re the ones giving us the second season (as in they’re still paying for production), but they’re not the ones streaming it.
I still don’t get why they’re doing this.
FelipeFelop@discuss.online
on 11 Oct 2023 18:55
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Apparently it’s a tax write off.
It’s risky though because a) Star Trek is no longer all in one place b) if it’s a hit then Netflix benefit.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 19:30
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Paramount+, the streamer, cancelled it.
CBS Studios, the producer, kept it going and found a new buyer.
Two separate entities, even though they’re both subsidiaries of the same parent company.
PutangInaMo@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 12:29
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That clears it up for me thanks
Disgustoid@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 18:00
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Correct me if I’m wrong but if anyone kills the show, wouldn’t it be Paramount? Netflix is just picking it up to stream on their service.
I know people have their issues with Netflix but I’m just relieved it’s not Peacock or some other service no one cares about.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 20:19
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Netflix is just picking it up to stream on their service.
Just as a TV network “cancels” a series by deciding not to order/air it, Netflix could do the same. Theoretically.
Bel_Shamharoth@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 2023 22:31
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But it seems clear at this point that Paramount believes that it’ll be able to make a return on its investment, so it’s just a matter of where the show eventually lands, not if the new season gets created.
Unless they do like WB did for Batgirl, and shitcan the entire thing permanently after production is complete, for a tax write-off.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 23:34
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To be clear, I was being completely hypothetical. It makes no sense for Netflix to cancel something they literally just bought.
nocturne213@lemm.ee
on 11 Oct 2023 18:27
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I don’t think Netflix actually cancels shows after two seasons any more often than other networks do.
Somehow people got it into their heads that Netflix is far more cancel-happy than its competitors, but if you look at the numbers, traditional TV networks have had like a 50% cancellation rate for decades.
Even TOS was cancelled after two seasons!
If Netflix is more prone to cancelling shows at all, which I’m not convinced is even true, it can’t be by an enormous margin.
wahming@monyet.cc
on 11 Oct 2023 20:59
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There was an article a few weeks ago about how Netflix only has about a 15% cancellation rate. Unfortunately there was no deep dive into the data, so the figures are suspect. A few factors that weren’t considered:
A very significant percentage of Netflix programming is reality TV and cheap junk. This doesn’t get cancelled because well, it’s cheap.
Many series don’t get cancelled, they just aren’t renewed. If Netflix tells the producers this is the last season, they’re gonna rush the storyline to some kinda ending regardless of whether it was originally supposed to stretch several more seasons.
cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca
on 12 Oct 2023 13:30
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I would rather a rushed ending than to be left hanging (unless they’re going to do a movie or something)
Maybe the last few years are better, but through the late 2010s Netflix very much looked at the per episode drop off rate for viewers and used that to determine if a show would continue to pull in viewers and get renewed. They were quite aggressive and then when other streaming services started coming into play they aggressively tried cutting costs off dead shows and burned a lot of people.
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 21:59
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Actually there’s both metric evidence and statements by senior Netflix executives that a show has to do well in the first few weeks to be renewed.
They’re also very committed to their drop it all at once, or at most in 2 parts per season.
So it creates an environment where shows are rarely renewed unless they are top of the streaming charts.
They may have a different decision criteria for kid and family shows though.
ByteWizard@lemm.ee
on 11 Oct 2023 18:13
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So glad I cancelled Netflix. Sad that I had to, but glad I’m not supporting them anymore.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 18:48
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…because they saved Prodigy?
1984@lemmy.today
on 11 Oct 2023 18:26
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Don’t let friends use streaming TV subscriptions.
Sharpiemarker@feddit.de
on 11 Oct 2023 18:57
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Yar 🏴☠️
2000mph@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 2023 21:15
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Glad it got picked up. I thought it would be Amazon Prime most likely to get it as they’d already invested in Picard. But I’m fine with Netflix. I’m due to get back round to Netflix after Christmas on my subscription rotation plan so hopefully I can binge watch both seasons of Prodigy by then.
gnuplusmatt@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 22:18
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I was hoping for Prime, but their kids offering is pretty anemic compared to Netflix. With the cost of Netflix it only gets a few months a year in our household too
_stranger_@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 2023 22:04
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new record incoming, removed from the service before even being added.
porthos@startrek.website
on 11 Oct 2023 22:33
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WOOF WOOF WOOF
GoodAaron@startrek.website
on 12 Oct 2023 05:44
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Hi everyone! Netflix by far is the best home for Prodigy in the current streaming landscape.
They have the largest media share and Star Trek has historically done exceptionally well on their service — this opens the door for more seasons of our show.
Animated shows like “The Dragon Prince” have run up to seven seasons on Netflix.
“Longmire” was saved from cancellation and was renewed for an additional five seasons by Netflix. So was “Lucifer,” and many others.
Feel free to celebrate!
linux2647@lemmy.sdf.org
on 13 Oct 2023 05:18
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Thank you for bringing us Prodigy in the first place! It such a great show and I’m so glad to hear it find a new home. Keep up the great work!
SpaceScotsman@startrek.website
on 12 Oct 2023 12:25
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This is a good change. I think we could be in a much better place if companies that owned both production and streaming were more open about licensing.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 12 Oct 2023 13:10
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The pendulum seems to be swinging back toward that model, at least in some cases.
Nmyownworld@startrek.website
on 13 Oct 2023 17:38
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Go team Star Trek fans and Prodigy team! I don’t have Netflix, and have no plan to get it. However, I still got your back, Prodigy fans. I’ll keep an eye out for the release of Prodigy season 2 physical media and get that when it’s released. And, promote Prodigy to others.
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This Canadian currently pays for:
The CTV App can fuck itself. I’ll be pirating the show and I’m not even ashamed.-
Jeeze, I wasn’t even aware that Gem had a paid tier…
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You pay more for streaming then cable used to cost.
Not quite, but it’s getting closer.
Wow, Canada must charge a lot more for cable than the US then. When I cut the cord in 2012 I was paying about $60 USD per month. I just got an offer for $70/mo for 2 years. You are paying more then that at least.
I was paying $120ish for cable in 2014 (not including cable internet, with that it was nearly $200). We would have cut the cord earlier, but without cable our internet went way up and we may as well have had cable too.
Yeah, they tried that here too. Luckily the state stepped in and made it hard for the cable company to monopolize the system like that.
Weird that it’s excluded in Canada - since it won’t be streaming on Crave as well as broadcast on CTV Sci-fi.
Up to now, Netflix has been able to get the streaming rights to CTV Sci-Fi Channel shows if Crave doesn’t take the complementary streaming portion of the Canadian market.
It’s a little clear, but I think there’s a chance it will show up on CTV Sci-Fi. We’ll have to see.
I’m not seeing the coming in 2024 notice on my Netflix in Canada nor the option to be reminded when it’s released.
CTV’s app is still showing all 20 episodes of Prodigy season one listed as available for CTV Sci-fi Channel subscribers.
I saw this article first, but startrek.com has an announcement with a couple of brief quotes:
Kate Mulgrew sure knows how to please her fans.
i like prodigy but i hate netflix :(
Yarr
She’s still dead ……. :(
hello guybrush threepwood you sure are mighty
How appropriate. You fight like a cow!
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At least you’ll be able to find it on the high seas now, rather than it rotting on some hard drive in the back of a cupboard.
FUCK YES!
Just delaying the inevitable given netflix kills shows after the 2nd season
Not always. Sometimes they do it after the first season.
only if there are gay people involved and being happy
also i’m still angry and bitter about gypsy
And Lockwood
RIP T_T
It's at least one more season than Paramount gave us.
Technically, they’re the ones giving us the second season (as in they’re still paying for production), but they’re not the ones streaming it.
I still don’t get why they’re doing this.
Apparently it’s a tax write off.
It’s risky though because a) Star Trek is no longer all in one place b) if it’s a hit then Netflix benefit.
Paramount+, the streamer, cancelled it.
CBS Studios, the producer, kept it going and found a new buyer.
Two separate entities, even though they’re both subsidiaries of the same parent company.
That clears it up for me thanks
Correct me if I’m wrong but if anyone kills the show, wouldn’t it be Paramount? Netflix is just picking it up to stream on their service.
I know people have their issues with Netflix but I’m just relieved it’s not Peacock or some other service no one cares about.
Just as a TV network “cancels” a series by deciding not to order/air it, Netflix could do the same. Theoretically.
But it seems clear at this point that Paramount believes that it’ll be able to make a return on its investment, so it’s just a matter of where the show eventually lands, not if the new season gets created.
Unless they do like WB did for Batgirl, and shitcan the entire thing permanently after production is complete, for a tax write-off.
To be clear, I was being completely hypothetical. It makes no sense for Netflix to cancel something they literally just bought.
Sadly they gave Manifest a 3rd and 4th season.
I don’t think Netflix actually cancels shows after two seasons any more often than other networks do.
Somehow people got it into their heads that Netflix is far more cancel-happy than its competitors, but if you look at the numbers, traditional TV networks have had like a 50% cancellation rate for decades.
Even TOS was cancelled after two seasons!
If Netflix is more prone to cancelling shows at all, which I’m not convinced is even true, it can’t be by an enormous margin.
There was an article a few weeks ago about how Netflix only has about a 15% cancellation rate. Unfortunately there was no deep dive into the data, so the figures are suspect. A few factors that weren’t considered:
I would rather a rushed ending than to be left hanging (unless they’re going to do a movie or something)
Maybe the last few years are better, but through the late 2010s Netflix very much looked at the per episode drop off rate for viewers and used that to determine if a show would continue to pull in viewers and get renewed. They were quite aggressive and then when other streaming services started coming into play they aggressively tried cutting costs off dead shows and burned a lot of people.
Actually there’s both metric evidence and statements by senior Netflix executives that a show has to do well in the first few weeks to be renewed.
They’re also very committed to their drop it all at once, or at most in 2 parts per season.
So it creates an environment where shows are rarely renewed unless they are top of the streaming charts.
They may have a different decision criteria for kid and family shows though.
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You shouldn’t use platforms you don’t believe in.
Yo Ho Ho and a Bottle of Rum it is then.
<img alt="astronaut-2" src="https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/44f610bb-f69d-4e6c-aa16-061ba9e17df6.png"> <img alt="astronaut-1" src="https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/4792ee89-4c46-475f-aea3-26320e88b247.png">
So glad I cancelled Netflix. Sad that I had to, but glad I’m not supporting them anymore.
…because they saved Prodigy?
Don’t let friends use streaming TV subscriptions.
Yar 🏴☠️
Glad it got picked up. I thought it would be Amazon Prime most likely to get it as they’d already invested in Picard. But I’m fine with Netflix. I’m due to get back round to Netflix after Christmas on my subscription rotation plan so hopefully I can binge watch both seasons of Prodigy by then.
I was hoping for Prime, but their kids offering is pretty anemic compared to Netflix. With the cost of Netflix it only gets a few months a year in our household too
So you’re saying it’s already cancelled again.
new record incoming, removed from the service before even being added.
WOOF WOOF WOOF
Hi everyone! Netflix by far is the best home for Prodigy in the current streaming landscape.
They have the largest media share and Star Trek has historically done exceptionally well on their service — this opens the door for more seasons of our show.
Animated shows like “The Dragon Prince” have run up to seven seasons on Netflix.
“Longmire” was saved from cancellation and was renewed for an additional five seasons by Netflix. So was “Lucifer,” and many others.
Feel free to celebrate!
Thank you for bringing us Prodigy in the first place! It such a great show and I’m so glad to hear it find a new home. Keep up the great work!
This is a good change. I think we could be in a much better place if companies that owned both production and streaming were more open about licensing.
The pendulum seems to be swinging back toward that model, at least in some cases.
.
Go team Star Trek fans and Prodigy team! I don’t have Netflix, and have no plan to get it. However, I still got your back, Prodigy fans. I’ll keep an eye out for the release of Prodigy season 2 physical media and get that when it’s released. And, promote Prodigy to others.
Sorry I have nothing to contribute to the discussion except:
YES!!!