TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 15 Feb 2024 17:01
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Ok I must admit that I’ve not seen the latest season of Picard, so maybe that’s the reason, but I had no idea her character was bi
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 15 Feb 2024 17:14
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She dated and split up with Raffi between seasons one and two.
RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 Feb 2024 17:45
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Literally “between”, it got kind of shoved into the last episode of season 01 and killed off again when season 02 started. They should have played it out more, let them develop a good relationship on screen, the way it was done just seemed so forced. Like the writers forgot they wanted to have some LGBTQ+ representation in the series up until the last episode of season 01.
USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website
on 17 Feb 2024 03:49
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If I’m remember correctly from Michael Chabon’s instagram AMAs, apparently the relationship was based entirely on the chemistry that Ryan and Hurd had when they attended events together, so it was very last minute that they added the tease of a budding relationship in that final scene.
But yeah, they could have done more to build it up.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 15 Feb 2024 20:39
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Really? I must have literally completely forgotten.
Didn’t Raffi tell Picard near the end of S1 that she loved him and he said it back? I thought that at that stage they were exploring a romance for them
Gimpydude@lemmynsfw.com
on 16 Feb 2024 00:47
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I think that was a familial thing, not romantic.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 16 Feb 2024 11:12
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It certainly came across as romantic to me
Lwaxana@startrek.website
on 17 Feb 2024 16:47
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As the Grand Nagus I would think it’s totally on brand for you to view all relationships as transactional
USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website
on 15 Feb 2024 23:23
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There’s an entire audio drama about it that Ryan and Hurd did voice work for.
It is perfectly fine.
danielquinn@lemmy.ca
on 15 Feb 2024 23:10
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Don’t feel bad. That whole series was a disjointed mess.
krolden@lemmy.ml
on 15 Feb 2024 17:34
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Omgz she kissed a girl thats a major plot point
Penguincoder@beehaw.org
on 15 Feb 2024 19:40
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Hey, I’m not sure if you know how un accepting your snarky jab is. It’s very un trek like.
I’m also not sure you appreciate how important representation is. It is very important that people see and read themselves in stories. It could save someone’s life. That importance cannot be understated or taken for granted.
This was likely tailored to the demographic that Picard serves. And while the writing wasn’t elegant, it’s still something. Hopefully it leads to more, as this character development is now canon.
Society is slowly crawling out of hetero normative times, where it is thankfully starting to be more common than ever to see diverse identity mainstream.
Millennials still have a streak of heteronormative thinking and cynicism, but hopefully they are one of the last generations to experience the closet.
Sekrayray@lemmy.world
on 15 Feb 2024 17:55
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Can this please be marked as some sort of spoiler? I haven’t watched Picard Season 3 yet and this was a massive spoiler bait title…
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website
on 15 Feb 2024 18:01
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We generally don’t protect spoilers after about a week. In this case, it’s been nearly a year.
crusa187@lemmy.ml
on 15 Feb 2024 19:21
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Same, but to be fair we really should have watched it by now
CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world
on 18 Feb 2024 14:27
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It it’s any consolation, it has literally zero bearing on the actual plot.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world
on 15 Feb 2024 18:47
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They have to cast her. She’s one of the most compelling Trek characters we’ve seen.
halm@leminal.space
on 15 Feb 2024 19:09
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TrekMovie […] asked if she is ready to lead the much-discussed Star Trek: Legacy spin-off
Much-discussed but still to be officially verified.
IMO they need to jettison at least Jack Crusher and his Jedi lineage for that show to be even theoretically tolerable. Terry Matalas really showed with Picard s3 that he has no flair for Trek.
SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org
on 16 Feb 2024 21:24
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I don’t think the actor was bad. Having him be a doctor on Legacy (he is a doctor, right?) would be a good use of the actor and the character’s past without having it be the focus of the show.
danielquinn@lemmy.ca
on 15 Feb 2024 23:09
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I really don’t get the fawning over PIC season 3. It was bad. I’d love to see more of Ryan in a new series, but only if they recruit writers on par with SNW and lose the phone numbers of those who did PIC.
USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website
on 15 Feb 2024 23:30
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Yeah, I can’t wrap my head around it either. Easily the worst, most self indulgent season of Trek in my opinion.
But it had the TNG crew back aboard the Enterprise D so for a lot of people it’s hitting the nostalgia button.
BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world
on 15 Feb 2024 23:49
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It wasn’t great, but it was notably better than season 2 in that it actually felt like a season of a show with some thought put into some kind of continuity. Season 2 was a huge clusterfuck of awful
USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website
on 17 Feb 2024 03:45
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I would argue that even if season two’s ambitions exceeded it’s execution, at least it was trying to do something. Still not a season of Trek that I think deserves any real regard, but it did add something new and interesting to the fabric of Trek. And maybe at some point some comic book or novel will actually do something interesting with that thing, because I can’t imagine we’re ever actually going to see it revisited on screen.
Season three was exactly the dark, cynical mess that everyone complained season one was because Admiral Clancy cursed at their space dad. Jack Crusher is the infallible, ultra special badass everyone accuses Michael Burnham of being. Season three is ideas I would expect to find in someone’s first attempt at writing fanfic, not the work of seasoned television professionals.
And, to be fair, both seasons two and three were made by the same people, so the fact that neither of them were particularly good should not be shocking to anyone.
1simpletailer@startrek.website
on 16 Feb 2024 04:57
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It was… Okay. Better then the first 2 seasons of Pic by a mile at least. If it was just the first 5 or so episodes I might even call it good. Yeah it was big, dumb, and loud, but it was also full of nostalgia bait, some of which admittedly did resonate with me. The bar was just so low after the TNG movies and first two season of PIC that traumatized fans were happy to have a seemingly final sendoff that wasn’t completely terrible.
USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website
on 17 Feb 2024 03:46
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The bar was just so low after the TNG movies and first two season of PIC that traumatized fans were happy to have a seemingly final sendoff that wasn’t completely terrible.
“Traumatized?” We are talking about a television show, right?
angrystego@lemmy.world
on 17 Feb 2024 07:07
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We are using hyperboles to make communication more fun.
SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org
on 20 Feb 2024 14:34
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The deaths of
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Hugh and Icheb
were particularly upsetting for me, personally (especially the graphic nature of the latter). PIC S1 had way too much “let’s kill people for no good reason” events.
I’d be perfectly happy if the dead PIC characters just showed up alive and well in a later show, no reason given. (They already did this with Q, right?)
USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website
on 20 Feb 2024 16:52
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Fair, PIC did have some pretty rugged moments.
But would you say you actually experienced trauma watching season one, and then that trauma was alleviated watching season three?
SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org
on 20 Feb 2024 18:07
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No and no. I was disappointed and a bit upset, but not traumatized. Though if someone told me that the beginning of S1E5 was traumatic for them, I’d believe it.
I do believe people when they say they enjoy S3. Even though the story was just a bunch of reheated plot elements from other Treks, there is some joy to be had viewing it as a TNG reunion special. It’s “Return to Mayberry” to the tune of BSG 2003, nothing more and nothing less.
(In contrast, Star Trek IV is the best TV reunion special ever made. Everyone’s playing an exaggerated version of their 1960’s personas and having a blast. It too is a bunch of reheated plot elements - the probe is awfully similar to Nomad and V’Ger at first glance, and “let’s time travel to insert current year” was already the plot of two different TOS episodes. I’m trying to think of how a hypothetical good Picard season could’ve tapped into the same energy that STIV did.)
Blackmist@feddit.uk
on 17 Feb 2024 07:56
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I barely got through S1. Terrible show.
Jeri has aged like a fine wine, but I’m not so desperate for TNG nostalgia that I’ll watch fat Data.
daft61lunacy@lemmy.world
on 19 Feb 2024 09:35
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Indeed but it was unapologetic fan service towards the end.
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Ok I must admit that I’ve not seen the latest season of Picard, so maybe that’s the reason, but I had no idea her character was bi
She dated and split up with Raffi between seasons one and two.
Literally “between”, it got kind of shoved into the last episode of season 01 and killed off again when season 02 started. They should have played it out more, let them develop a good relationship on screen, the way it was done just seemed so forced. Like the writers forgot they wanted to have some LGBTQ+ representation in the series up until the last episode of season 01.
If I’m remember correctly from Michael Chabon’s instagram AMAs, apparently the relationship was based entirely on the chemistry that Ryan and Hurd had when they attended events together, so it was very last minute that they added the tease of a budding relationship in that final scene.
But yeah, they could have done more to build it up.
Really? I must have literally completely forgotten.
Didn’t Raffi tell Picard near the end of S1 that she loved him and he said it back? I thought that at that stage they were exploring a romance for them
I think that was a familial thing, not romantic.
It certainly came across as romantic to me
As the Grand Nagus I would think it’s totally on brand for you to view all relationships as transactional
There’s an entire audio drama about it that Ryan and Hurd did voice work for.
It is perfectly fine.
Don’t feel bad. That whole series was a disjointed mess.
Omgz she kissed a girl thats a major plot point
Gaaaaaaaaaayayyyyyyyyy ~/s~
Hey, I’m not sure if you know how un accepting your snarky jab is. It’s very un trek like.
I’m also not sure you appreciate how important representation is. It is very important that people see and read themselves in stories. It could save someone’s life. That importance cannot be understated or taken for granted.
This was likely tailored to the demographic that Picard serves. And while the writing wasn’t elegant, it’s still something. Hopefully it leads to more, as this character development is now canon.
Society is slowly crawling out of hetero normative times, where it is thankfully starting to be more common than ever to see diverse identity mainstream.
Millennials still have a streak of heteronormative thinking and cynicism, but hopefully they are one of the last generations to experience the closet.
Can this please be marked as some sort of spoiler? I haven’t watched Picard Season 3 yet and this was a massive spoiler bait title…
We generally don’t protect spoilers after about a week. In this case, it’s been nearly a year.
Same, but to be fair we really should have watched it by now
It it’s any consolation, it has literally zero bearing on the actual plot.
They have to cast her. She’s one of the most compelling Trek characters we’ve seen.
Much-discussed but still to be officially verified.
IMO they need to jettison at least Jack Crusher and his Jedi lineage for that show to be even theoretically tolerable. Terry Matalas really showed with Picard s3 that he has no flair for Trek.
I don’t think the actor was bad. Having him be a doctor on Legacy (he is a doctor, right?) would be a good use of the actor and the character’s past without having it be the focus of the show.
I really don’t get the fawning over PIC season 3. It was bad. I’d love to see more of Ryan in a new series, but only if they recruit writers on par with SNW and lose the phone numbers of those who did PIC.
Yeah, I can’t wrap my head around it either. Easily the worst, most self indulgent season of Trek in my opinion.
But it had the TNG crew back aboard the Enterprise D so for a lot of people it’s hitting the nostalgia button.
It wasn’t great, but it was notably better than season 2 in that it actually felt like a season of a show with some thought put into some kind of continuity. Season 2 was a huge clusterfuck of awful
I would argue that even if season two’s ambitions exceeded it’s execution, at least it was trying to do something. Still not a season of Trek that I think deserves any real regard, but it did add something new and interesting to the fabric of Trek. And maybe at some point some comic book or novel will actually do something interesting with that thing, because I can’t imagine we’re ever actually going to see it revisited on screen.
Season three was exactly the dark, cynical mess that everyone complained season one was because Admiral Clancy cursed at their space dad. Jack Crusher is the infallible, ultra special badass everyone accuses Michael Burnham of being. Season three is ideas I would expect to find in someone’s first attempt at writing fanfic, not the work of seasoned television professionals.
And, to be fair, both seasons two and three were made by the same people, so the fact that neither of them were particularly good should not be shocking to anyone.
It was… Okay. Better then the first 2 seasons of Pic by a mile at least. If it was just the first 5 or so episodes I might even call it good. Yeah it was big, dumb, and loud, but it was also full of nostalgia bait, some of which admittedly did resonate with me. The bar was just so low after the TNG movies and first two season of PIC that traumatized fans were happy to have a seemingly final sendoff that wasn’t completely terrible.
“Traumatized?” We are talking about a television show, right?
We are using hyperboles to make communication more fun.
The deaths of
spoiler
Hugh and Icheb
were particularly upsetting for me, personally (especially the graphic nature of the latter). PIC S1 had way too much “let’s kill people for no good reason” events.
I’d be perfectly happy if the dead PIC characters just showed up alive and well in a later show, no reason given. (They already did this with Q, right?)
Fair, PIC did have some pretty rugged moments.
But would you say you actually experienced trauma watching season one, and then that trauma was alleviated watching season three?
No and no. I was disappointed and a bit upset, but not traumatized. Though if someone told me that the beginning of S1E5 was traumatic for them, I’d believe it.
I do believe people when they say they enjoy S3. Even though the story was just a bunch of reheated plot elements from other Treks, there is some joy to be had viewing it as a TNG reunion special. It’s “Return to Mayberry” to the tune of BSG 2003, nothing more and nothing less.
(In contrast, Star Trek IV is the best TV reunion special ever made. Everyone’s playing an exaggerated version of their 1960’s personas and having a blast. It too is a bunch of reheated plot elements - the probe is awfully similar to Nomad and V’Ger at first glance, and “let’s time travel to insert current year” was already the plot of two different TOS episodes. I’m trying to think of how a hypothetical good Picard season could’ve tapped into the same energy that STIV did.)
I barely got through S1. Terrible show.
Jeri has aged like a fine wine, but I’m not so desperate for TNG nostalgia that I’ll watch fat Data.
Indeed but it was unapologetic fan service towards the end.