Daxtron2@startrek.website
on 13 Jul 2024 14:35
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I feel like thst would just change stabbing to slashings
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
on 13 Jul 2024 21:09
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Yep. It sounds like a weird hypothetical by a pro-gun activist, and it would be largely ineffective, but the dude seems utterly sincere. It’s not hard to just file something to a point if you’re serious (it happens in literal prison), so at best it make a small number of crimes of passion less serious.
Banning a useful but abuse-prone technology is always going to create both inconvenience for legitimate users and some level of prevention of bad uses. What the right balance is is a tough, complex question and probably very dependent on when and where you ask it, but unfortunately it often gets boiled down “but the children” or “but freedom”.
eveninghere@beehaw.org
on 12 Jul 2024 22:07
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I checked it out as I was curious. First post was "I sleep with my sister, AMA" and then an AI porn thread with guides and very dangerous lolicon porn.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de
on 12 Jul 2024 11:32
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Teens use it to generate porn with real classmates.
KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts
on 12 Jul 2024 12:47
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Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold.
Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.
This is just another tool.
mamotromico@lemmy.ml
on 12 Jul 2024 14:41
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A far more effective tool
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
on 12 Jul 2024 22:17
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or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.
This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.
I should note this is not what the law says in many nations, including my own.
lowleveldata@programming.dev
on 12 Jul 2024 13:19
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They are doing it anyway. It’s a plus if they learn one thing or two while doing it
davehtaylor@beehaw.org
on 12 Jul 2024 18:59
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Hang on. Are you actually saying that making fake porn of teenagers without their consent is a good thing because it teaches valuable skills?!
Right? Who will think of the children! Before computer porn, we used to imagine our classmates, TV hosts, celebrities, and neighbors. Now that (imagination) was a valuable skill!
(I mean, some would also cut&paste faces from one photo onto another, with scissors and glue… but most just used our imagination)
You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work, something you basically definitionallly have to be doing in order to get caught.
Revenge porn is absolutely a serious method of harassment that does routinely end in suicide even for adults, and it is absurd to compare making it so easy that kids can do it to someone they’ve never talked to in minutes to fantasizing about their classmates.
jarfil@beehaw.org
on 12 Jul 2024 21:40
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Revenge porn was there before AI… but somewhat ironically, as more people are likely to label anything from SFX, to game renders, to the lunar landing, as “AI”… even actual recordings of porn used for revenge, are more likely to be dismissed as “just AI”, reducing its impact (no more Kardashians).
People should still take responsibility for educating their little brats, which has nothing to do with whether it’s AI, gun ownership, or “just” bullying.
Vodulas@beehaw.org
on 12 Jul 2024 22:59
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The issue is that AI has made it so much easier that more people are doing it. The AI cat is out of the bag, but it could do with some tangible legislation
So, like what kind of legislation? All the problematic uses of AI, already have legislation against them. I don’t see any viable “anti-AI” legislation, just enforce the one already in place. Meanwhile, strengthening prevention and responsibility rules, would benefit all aspects of society, including the uses of AI.
Limiting what that data can be trained on for one. No pictures of kids for example. For porn specific AIs, don’t allow users to upload custom images. That is just asking for revenge porn or CSAM. Companies clearly can’t be trusted to put in safeguards for themselves, so I guess it is time for legislation.
Keep in mind that training data is required for both recognition, and generation. Legislating that kids “It doesn’t look like anything to me”, leads to things like:
Cars that don’t stop for "It doesn’t look like anything to me"
Spam filters that don’t stop porn, or gore, or both, of "It doesn’t look like anything to me"
Photo storage that erases empty photos which “It doesn’t look like anything to me”
For porn specific AIs, don’t allow users to upload custom images
Not sure how you think AIs work, but anyone can train a LoRa on their own laptop, no “uploading” to anywhere required.
Companies clearly can’t be trusted to put in safeguards for themselves, so I guess it is time for legislation.
Cool, and I agree with that. I just think that example is horrific (for starters, it would make Lemmy’s anti-CSAM filter illegal, since it’s trained on pictures of kids).
Got any other proposals?
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 13 Jul 2024 17:45
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I think it’s funny you talk about revenge porn like it’s just so tiresome and tedious to think about.
“Oh, a hurricane struck Florida again.”
“Oh, there’s revenge porn of my neighbor’s daughter again.”
“What a terrible saturday.”
“Anyway, I think my toast is done.”
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And where is the evidence? Asking for a friend.
4chan?
The Hacker, you know.
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i remember the good old days, when you had to use scissors to physically cut a head out of a photo, and then glue it to your porno mag
Scissors manufacturers: yet another victim of disruptive technology.
Once again, ancient Rome is conquering the world.
we must ban scissors they’re too dangerous.
Fun fact, there was actually a UK judge that seriously called for points to be taken off of all kitchen knives to prevent stabbings.
I feel like thst would just change stabbing to slashings
Yep. It sounds like a weird hypothetical by a pro-gun activist, and it would be largely ineffective, but the dude seems utterly sincere. It’s not hard to just file something to a point if you’re serious (it happens in literal prison), so at best it make a small number of crimes of passion less serious.
Banning a useful but abuse-prone technology is always going to create both inconvenience for legitimate users and some level of prevention of bad uses. What the right balance is is a tough, complex question and probably very dependent on when and where you ask it, but unfortunately it often gets boiled down “but the children” or “but freedom”.
Checkmate, I called the police.
Everyone HAD to do it. ✂️
I bet they worked hard at this…
It’s been forever since I’ve been to 4chan… I’m almost afraid to check out /b/
Porn porn porn porn porn porn porn racism porn. Same as its always been. Maybe more porn now.
I checked it out as I was curious. First post was "I sleep with my sister, AMA" and then an AI porn thread with guides and very dangerous lolicon porn.
Do not check it out
Lol dangerous?
CP is illegal and it’s borderline (is what I’m guessing, I haven’t gone)
Depending on where you live, lolicon can be treated as either:
TL;DR: check your local laws before watching Japanese stuff.
I don’t get the AI-porn hate.
Teens use it to generate porn with real classmates.
Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment. This is just another tool.
A far more effective tool
This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.
I should note this is not what the law says in many nations, including my own.
They are doing it anyway. It’s a plus if they learn one thing or two while doing it
Hang on. Are you actually saying that making fake porn of teenagers without their consent is a good thing because it teaches valuable skills?!
Right? Who will think of the children! Before computer porn, we used to imagine our classmates, TV hosts, celebrities, and neighbors. Now that (imagination) was a valuable skill!
(I mean, some would also cut&paste faces from one photo onto another, with scissors and glue… but most just used our imagination)
You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work, something you basically definitionallly have to be doing in order to get caught.
Revenge porn is absolutely a serious method of harassment that does routinely end in suicide even for adults, and it is absurd to compare making it so easy that kids can do it to someone they’ve never talked to in minutes to fantasizing about their classmates.
Revenge porn was there before AI… but somewhat ironically, as more people are likely to label anything from SFX, to game renders, to the lunar landing, as “AI”… even actual recordings of porn used for revenge, are more likely to be dismissed as “just AI”, reducing its impact (no more Kardashians).
People should still take responsibility for educating their little brats, which has nothing to do with whether it’s AI, gun ownership, or “just” bullying.
The issue is that AI has made it so much easier that more people are doing it. The AI cat is out of the bag, but it could do with some tangible legislation
So, like what kind of legislation? All the problematic uses of AI, already have legislation against them. I don’t see any viable “anti-AI” legislation, just enforce the one already in place. Meanwhile, strengthening prevention and responsibility rules, would benefit all aspects of society, including the uses of AI.
Limiting what that data can be trained on for one. No pictures of kids for example. For porn specific AIs, don’t allow users to upload custom images. That is just asking for revenge porn or CSAM. Companies clearly can’t be trusted to put in safeguards for themselves, so I guess it is time for legislation.
Meaning, an AI blind to kids.
Keep in mind that training data is required for both recognition, and generation. Legislating that kids “It doesn’t look like anything to me”, leads to things like:
Not sure how you think AIs work, but anyone can train a LoRa on their own laptop, no “uploading” to anywhere required.
Cool, and I agree with that. I just think that example is horrific (for starters, it would make Lemmy’s anti-CSAM filter illegal, since it’s trained on pictures of kids).
Got any other proposals?
I think it’s funny you talk about revenge porn like it’s just so tiresome and tedious to think about.
“Oh, a hurricane struck Florida again.”
“Oh, there’s revenge porn of my neighbor’s daughter again.”
“What a terrible saturday.”
“Anyway, I think my toast is done.”
Feel free to partake in the tediousness:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashian_family
It was tedious trash back then, and 17 years of beating a dead horse hasn’t made it any less tedious.
Hey, you don’t know how fast I can draw, internet person!
that is not an argument against AI. We didn’t ban photoshop because people did face swaps.
The harm is in the realisms , this matter when AI generated parn is shared with others.
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