4chan Is Using TikTok Owner ByteDance's Hidden AI App to Generate Porn (www.404media.co)
from theangriestbird@beehaw.org to technology@beehaw.org on 11 Jul 2024 22:45
https://beehaw.org/post/14941982

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darkghosthunter@lemmy.ml on 11 Jul 2024 23:03 next collapse

And where is the evidence? Asking for a friend.

DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz on 11 Jul 2024 23:06 next collapse

4chan?

Franconian_Nomad@feddit.de on 12 Jul 2024 08:03 collapse

The Hacker, you know.

[deleted] on 12 Jul 2024 07:26 collapse

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xor@infosec.pub on 11 Jul 2024 23:26 next collapse

i remember the good old days, when you had to use scissors to physically cut a head out of a photo, and then glue it to your porno mag

tal@lemmy.today on 12 Jul 2024 00:02 next collapse

Scissors manufacturers: yet another victim of disruptive technology.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Jul 2024 22:32 collapse

Once again, ancient Rome is conquering the world.

Daxtron2@startrek.website on 12 Jul 2024 04:26 next collapse

we must ban scissors they’re too dangerous.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Jul 2024 22:27 collapse

Fun fact, there was actually a UK judge that seriously called for points to be taken off of all kitchen knives to prevent stabbings.

Daxtron2@startrek.website on 13 Jul 2024 14:35 collapse

I feel like thst would just change stabbing to slashings

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 13 Jul 2024 21:09 collapse

Yep. It sounds like a weird hypothetical by a pro-gun activist, and it would be largely ineffective, but the dude seems utterly sincere. It’s not hard to just file something to a point if you’re serious (it happens in literal prison), so at best it make a small number of crimes of passion less serious.

Banning a useful but abuse-prone technology is always going to create both inconvenience for legitimate users and some level of prevention of bad uses. What the right balance is is a tough, complex question and probably very dependent on when and where you ask it, but unfortunately it often gets boiled down “but the children” or “but freedom”.

eveninghere@beehaw.org on 12 Jul 2024 22:07 next collapse

Checkmate, I called the police.

Kissaki@beehaw.org on 13 Jul 2024 08:25 collapse

when you had to

Everyone HAD to do it. ✂️

MajorHavoc@programming.dev on 12 Jul 2024 00:47 next collapse

but was unable to reproduce those images in my testing

I bet they worked hard at this…

ramble81@lemm.ee on 12 Jul 2024 02:09 next collapse

It’s been forever since I’ve been to 4chan… I’m almost afraid to check out /b/

wagesj45@kbin.run on 12 Jul 2024 03:42 next collapse

Porn porn porn porn porn porn porn racism porn. Same as its always been. Maybe more porn now.

Virkkunen@fedia.io on 12 Jul 2024 05:29 collapse

I checked it out as I was curious. First post was "I sleep with my sister, AMA" and then an AI porn thread with guides and very dangerous lolicon porn.

Do not check it out

Fal@yiffit.net on 12 Jul 2024 08:07 collapse

Lol dangerous?

winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jul 2024 12:12 next collapse

CP is illegal and it’s borderline (is what I’m guessing, I haven’t gone)

jarfil@beehaw.org on 12 Jul 2024 20:42 collapse

Depending on where you live, lolicon can be treated as either:

  1. You’re imagining wrong, go to jail
  2. I’ll know it when I see it
  3. If it looks too real, you go to jail
  4. Cartoons are not real people
  5. Only PIV is sex, so as long as there is a couple black lines, it’s legal for all ages

TL;DR: check your local laws before watching Japanese stuff.

istanbullu@lemmy.ml on 12 Jul 2024 10:34 collapse

I don’t get the AI-porn hate.

MonkderDritte@feddit.de on 12 Jul 2024 11:32 next collapse

Teens use it to generate porn with real classmates.

KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts on 12 Jul 2024 12:47 next collapse

Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment. This is just another tool.

mamotromico@lemmy.ml on 12 Jul 2024 14:41 next collapse

A far more effective tool

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Jul 2024 22:17 collapse

or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.

This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.

I should note this is not what the law says in many nations, including my own.

lowleveldata@programming.dev on 12 Jul 2024 13:19 next collapse

They are doing it anyway. It’s a plus if they learn one thing or two while doing it

davehtaylor@beehaw.org on 12 Jul 2024 18:59 collapse

Hang on. Are you actually saying that making fake porn of teenagers without their consent is a good thing because it teaches valuable skills?!

jarfil@beehaw.org on 12 Jul 2024 20:24 collapse

Right? Who will think of the children! Before computer porn, we used to imagine our classmates, TV hosts, celebrities, and neighbors. Now that (imagination) was a valuable skill!

(I mean, some would also cut&paste faces from one photo onto another, with scissors and glue… but most just used our imagination)

sonori@beehaw.org on 12 Jul 2024 21:23 collapse

You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work, something you basically definitionallly have to be doing in order to get caught.

Revenge porn is absolutely a serious method of harassment that does routinely end in suicide even for adults, and it is absurd to compare making it so easy that kids can do it to someone they’ve never talked to in minutes to fantasizing about their classmates.

jarfil@beehaw.org on 12 Jul 2024 21:40 next collapse

Revenge porn was there before AI… but somewhat ironically, as more people are likely to label anything from SFX, to game renders, to the lunar landing, as “AI”… even actual recordings of porn used for revenge, are more likely to be dismissed as “just AI”, reducing its impact (no more Kardashians).

People should still take responsibility for educating their little brats, which has nothing to do with whether it’s AI, gun ownership, or “just” bullying.

Vodulas@beehaw.org on 12 Jul 2024 22:59 next collapse

The issue is that AI has made it so much easier that more people are doing it. The AI cat is out of the bag, but it could do with some tangible legislation

jarfil@beehaw.org on 12 Jul 2024 23:15 collapse

So, like what kind of legislation? All the problematic uses of AI, already have legislation against them. I don’t see any viable “anti-AI” legislation, just enforce the one already in place. Meanwhile, strengthening prevention and responsibility rules, would benefit all aspects of society, including the uses of AI.

Vodulas@beehaw.org on 14 Jul 2024 21:41 collapse

Limiting what that data can be trained on for one. No pictures of kids for example. For porn specific AIs, don’t allow users to upload custom images. That is just asking for revenge porn or CSAM. Companies clearly can’t be trusted to put in safeguards for themselves, so I guess it is time for legislation.

jarfil@beehaw.org on 15 Jul 2024 01:02 collapse

No pictures of kids for example

Meaning, an AI blind to kids.

Keep in mind that training data is required for both recognition, and generation. Legislating that kids “It doesn’t look like anything to me”, leads to things like:

  • Cars that don’t stop for "It doesn’t look like anything to me"
  • Spam filters that don’t stop porn, or gore, or both, of "It doesn’t look like anything to me"
  • Photo storage that erases empty photos which “It doesn’t look like anything to me”

For porn specific AIs, don’t allow users to upload custom images

Not sure how you think AIs work, but anyone can train a LoRa on their own laptop, no “uploading” to anywhere required.

Companies clearly can’t be trusted to put in safeguards for themselves, so I guess it is time for legislation.

Cool, and I agree with that. I just think that example is horrific (for starters, it would make Lemmy’s anti-CSAM filter illegal, since it’s trained on pictures of kids).

Got any other proposals?

petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 13 Jul 2024 17:45 collapse

I think it’s funny you talk about revenge porn like it’s just so tiresome and tedious to think about.

“Oh, a hurricane struck Florida again.”
“Oh, there’s revenge porn of my neighbor’s daughter again.”
“What a terrible saturday.”
“Anyway, I think my toast is done.”

jarfil@beehaw.org on 14 Jul 2024 05:43 collapse

Feel free to partake in the tediousness:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashian_family

It was tedious trash back then, and 17 years of beating a dead horse hasn’t made it any less tedious.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Jul 2024 22:24 collapse

You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work

Hey, you don’t know how fast I can draw, internet person!

istanbullu@lemmy.ml on 12 Jul 2024 16:48 collapse

that is not an argument against AI. We didn’t ban photoshop because people did face swaps.

leds@feddit.dk on 13 Jul 2024 15:46 collapse

The harm is in the realisms , this matter when AI generated parn is shared with others.

[deleted] on 12 Jul 2024 15:06 collapse

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