cookiecutter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jun 15:52
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How creating an account in yet another centralized social media app is going to solve things? Policy might be anti AI now, but what happens if Cara get’s sold and the new company decides to change it? Don’t get me wrong is good that options are popping out to give some fair market share to Meta, but how is Cara sustainable in the long run?
A big difference is that, instead of leaving all content behind because it was only hosted there, you still have a lot of content as only a piece of the federated content disappears (or defederates, or paywalls, w/e)
Do people seriously not keep copies of their finished work anymore? They just post them and delete the local copy?
TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Jun 21:20
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It’s not just about the content posted by individuals though. The community and relationships built on a centralized platform are also at risk to a much greater degree than they would be on federated social media.
It also has an expensive back end and no plans for any kind of monetization, so it's dead in the water from that side too. The moment they're successful they're broke.
belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org
on 07 Jun 17:02
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Yeah, i dont think they thought this through and its just going to exhaust the artists
Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Jun 17:06
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I just shared this with my wife because she’s an artist and hates AI as much as I do.
Apparently she made an account last night.
muhyb@programming.dev
on 07 Jun 23:37
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How it’s anti-AI in a useful way? If I can view it, so can AI.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Jun 00:44
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Anti-AI people tend to be grifters just as much as the people who think AI (in it’s current form) will solve all our problems.
They don’t appear to even have basic protections against ai. They didn’t even get rid of the context menu to download them, and the app shows up in google image search which means google has the thumbnails. It’s a losing battle, if you can see it so can ai, but they could at least but a few speed bumps.
they just send a OTP to your email with the idea that you should be keeping your email secure (and that email providers are more secure than they can be)
mlaga97@lemmy.mlaga97.space
on 09 Jun 18:33
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Given how common it is for people to use the ‘reset password’ link for this exact purpose, it does make it seem kinda redundant to even implement passwords on many services to begin with.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
on 09 Jun 07:21
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love the mission and the message, but if i know anything about how things like this go, what it is, is about to die
EDIT: yeah, their about page says they “filter out generative AI images” without even mentioning how. never mind that with the rate the AI field is advancing, no algorithm for doing that works for more than a couple of months. no word at all on how or even if the photos users upload are going to be protected from scraping.
i hate to be a cynic, i do, and i can’t wait for this to age poorly but $20 says the website won’t even last a year
darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org
on 09 Jun 15:21
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Anti-AI is a brain-dead idea anyway. Artists should be more open with their art, not less. Yes, even with AI.
The issue there is that we still live in a capitalist hellscape, and artists need to make money to survive. Until we have a situation where artists can make art and not worry about where their rent (yes, fuck landlords) or food, they will need to be able to make a living somehow.
You don’t have to do ANYthing in order to have copyright on your images.
That is standard throughout the Berne convention & has been for decades.
Registering makes court-cases easier to win, but having copyright on one’s renditions isn’t in any way requiring that one have registered anything with anybody.
darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org
on 10 Jun 11:44
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Ok, but that is beside the point. Copyright only serves the interests of large IP holders, like Disney.
onlinepersona@programming.dev
on 10 Jun 12:32
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On principal I agree, but have you thought about how artists are to make a living? It is already hard now, so how should they make money in the future?
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How creating an account in yet another centralized social media app is going to solve things? Policy might be anti AI now, but what happens if Cara get’s sold and the new company decides to change it? Don’t get me wrong is good that options are popping out to give some fair market share to Meta, but how is Cara sustainable in the long run?
Same thing that happens if a federated instance goes bad: you leave?
A big difference is that, instead of leaving all content behind because it was only hosted there, you still have a lot of content as only a piece of the federated content disappears (or defederates, or paywalls, w/e)
Do people seriously not keep copies of their finished work anymore? They just post them and delete the local copy?
It’s not just about the content posted by individuals though. The community and relationships built on a centralized platform are also at risk to a much greater degree than they would be on federated social media.
I agree. But I think this an OK idea, until someone makes this with a FOSS platform, in the fediverse. Choices are good.
If their goal is to prevent AI trainers from scraping their art then an open federated platform is the opposite of what they want.
Noted. I hadn’t thought of that
I tried to get a statement from pixelfed when it came to AI and content scraping but there has not been any replies yet.
cara.app/about
They also dont allow nsfw so its dead in the water for being any different than IG. Scrapers will get the art for AI
It also has an expensive back end and no plans for any kind of monetization, so it's dead in the water from that side too. The moment they're successful they're broke.
Yeah, i dont think they thought this through and its just going to exhaust the artists
I just shared this with my wife because she’s an artist and hates AI as much as I do.
Apparently she made an account last night.
How it’s anti-AI in a useful way? If I can view it, so can AI.
Anti-AI people tend to be grifters just as much as the people who think AI (in it’s current form) will solve all our problems.
They don’t appear to even have basic protections against ai. They didn’t even get rid of the context menu to download them, and the app shows up in google image search which means google has the thumbnails. It’s a losing battle, if you can see it so can ai, but they could at least but a few speed bumps.
The whole site seems like a PoC - the accounts don’t even have passwords! (I could actually kinda get on board with this)
…please tell me it’s one of those apps that stores the identity on the device.
they just send a OTP to your email with the idea that you should be keeping your email secure (and that email providers are more secure than they can be)
Given how common it is for people to use the ‘reset password’ link for this exact purpose, it does make it seem kinda redundant to even implement passwords on many services to begin with.
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love the mission and the message, but if i know anything about how things like this go, what it is, is about to die
EDIT: yeah, their about page says they “filter out generative AI images” without even mentioning how. never mind that with the rate the AI field is advancing, no algorithm for doing that works for more than a couple of months. no word at all on how or even if the photos users upload are going to be protected from scraping.
i hate to be a cynic, i do, and i can’t wait for this to age poorly but $20 says the website won’t even last a year
Anti-AI is a brain-dead idea anyway. Artists should be more open with their art, not less. Yes, even with AI.
Are you saying artists should be OK with AI companies stealing their art an using it without permission?
Well, if you don’t copyright everything, then it’s not stealing. We need more open culture, not closed off “IP”.
The issue there is that we still live in a capitalist hellscape, and artists need to make money to survive. Until we have a situation where artists can make art and not worry about where their rent (yes, fuck landlords) or food, they will need to be able to make a living somehow.
You don’t have to do ANYthing in order to have copyright on your images.
That is standard throughout the Berne convention & has been for decades.
Registering makes court-cases easier to win, but having copyright on one’s renditions isn’t in any way requiring that one have registered anything with anybody.
Ok, but that is beside the point. Copyright only serves the interests of large IP holders, like Disney.
On principal I agree, but have you thought about how artists are to make a living? It is already hard now, so how should they make money in the future?
Anti Commercial-AI license
The same way they are now? Copyright is barely a protection for independent artists, and largely serves the interests of big “IP” holders like Disney.