Don’t let them win by giving up spaces they go to. The overall majority of blue sky that I’ve seen has been pretty similar to Lemmy/Mastodon in terms of general content. Make a Nazi cry, don’t let them kick you out of your spaces.
They are incompatible with society and it’s time they’re made to feel that way.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
on 10 Nov 19:38
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True, though BlueSky is a temporary redoubt at best, though one which, through switching costs, will trap people just as Xitter did. They accepted venture capital funds, and so when the time comes, will have to somehow recoup that from their users. At the moment, they’re in the glue-trap phase, attracting their users with promises to be open and not screw them over (see also: the early days of Facebook). Once enough are there, and have brought their friends and built personally meaningful networks dependent on BlueSky, the trap will close: third-party APIs will be restricted to the point of not providing an escape (as happened with Reddit and Xitter), the user-configurable algorithms will get unremovable additions that gradually increase the amount of ads, influencer content, AI pink-slime and whatever else they want in your feed, and then you’ll lose the ability to see all the content you selected, all the better to keep you refreshing and scrambling for anything you may have missed. And then, since all your friends and the cool people you follow are there, your choices will be to stay and suck it up, or effectively become a hermit.
the real problem is moving from twitter (x), to twitter (bluesky). expecting it to be better/different. just like all these people currently running from facebook to band.
really, it’s like running away from jason voorhees and intentionally to freddy kreuger, expecting different results.
i mean. we here on lemmy already did this. we went from digg to reddit, we learned our lesson, and came to lemmy. so to constantly advertise bluesky makes absolutely no sense. albeit i guess it’s the same principle, people of twitter need to experience enshitification of bluesky before they learn and settle on the fediverse.
There’s no way to fight them on platforms where they are welcomed by the platform itself. Bluesky doesn’t want to moderate its platform, so there is no fighting the Nazis there.
yeah that is why I enjoy much more on bluesky lately because we have customised feed (especially for you which is very similar like X), good engagement, good language filter and ease of use for signup and usage.
I'm gonna be honest, Mastodon is kinda trash, on its own. It's clunky, ugly, and feels like a platform from 2010 (but not in a good way). I think getting people onboard with a Misskey/Sharkey instance is going to be much better. The feature set is a lot closer to Twitter, and it does literally everything Mastodon does, but better.
And we can do this all over again in a couple of years thanks to BlueSky’s refusal to moderte its service, all because internet users refuse to thi:k abput how the internet works, and peoples addictions to being told what to read.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Nov 15:06
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Bluesky is mostly moderated by collarborative community blocklists, and so far atleast, the experience has been great.
And do remember that bluesky is simply a privately owned server for a FOSS protocol and frontend.
zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.dev
on 10 Nov 17:52
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Bluesky is funny because they genuinely have some great user based moderation tools but on the official moderation side they’re really bad in all honesty. The sum of these two parts are a better experience than most websited on the internet at the end of the day
That is not moderation. Moderation involves removing bad actors from the site, not underground black lists that let you pretend the Nazis aren’t living next door.
Delusion6903@discuss.online
on 10 Nov 18:04
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Does bluesky have ads or collect personal data?
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Nov 22:06
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i still do not fathom how mastodon is difficult, do people just expect the platform to read your mind and do everything for you? How is it any more difficult than youtube?
Letstakealook@lemm.ee
on 10 Nov 22:37
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I don’t use mastodon, but yes, people are use to social media doing everything for you. Youtube is probably the greatest example of a service that will spoonfeed you content with little to no input from the user. My understanding of mastodon is that you have to know what you’re looking for to find content.
Unfortunate since people are confused on the whole federated aspect (which… who hasn’t used email? 🤦🏻♂️), but also the interactions are much more rewarding since they’re genuine and don’t feel like an algorithm (since there is no algorithm).
Letstakealook@lemm.ee
on 10 Nov 23:42
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I can respect that, but also respect that people will find it empty and confusing, especially because it isn’t corporate, so there is no funnel to get the rolling. They have to be motivated enough to seek all of that information out and as much as people use social media, it isn’t that important to them.
Email does not have issues finding emails. For a much better post than I can write, read TheChargedCreeper’s comment above about the on-boarding experience they (and I) experienced.
I’ve certainly had issues with desktop outlook finding emails that mobile outlook recieved minutes ago. But now pertinent is that is only true for modern email - and only true for established email - it’s why everyone suggests not hosting your own email.
But, hopefully that experience continues to improve so it’s not a concern for any longer
TheChargedCreeper864@lemmy.ml
on 10 Nov 23:47
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Learn of YouTube, go to youtube.com and there’s content.
Learn of Mastodon, ask “where’s that?” and be told to go to joinmastodon.org. When I did this, you had to pick an instance. mastodon.social was full, you had to find something else. So you look at every instance there is in the list, and try to filter for moderation rules as you’re told this is best practice. Don’t worry, all of Mastodon can see everything posted by everyone on every instance! Picking an instance is really choosing where your values are best aligned, nothing more. So you spend the effort, make an account, get asked a reason why you’re signing up (though I might be mistaking this memory for when I signed up to Lemmy), have to wait for approval, get an account, and sign into the official app…
… and there’s no content. The only way I ever managed to get content was to learn of Mastodon accounts outside of Mastodon and manually look them up. So I ended up following a whopping 3 accounts, one of which being some EU governmental account, another essentially being the XDA RSS feed. Needless to say, I didn’t stick around.
I don’t know if things have improved since then, or how Bluesky does things. But I’d imagine a platform supposedly started by the people who founded Twitter, built from what supposedly was once an internal test of modifications to Twitter, to have an easier onboarding experience than whatever Mastodon did back when I tried it.
Well said. This almost perfectly describes my experience with Mastodon as well. I ended up joining a Firefish instance later which was better, but no amount of “antennas” or topic follows helps when your instance has 20 users and it can’t find anything.
I’d imagine a platform supposedly started by the people who founded Twitter, built from what supposedly was once an internal test of modifications to Twitter, to have an easier onboarding experience than whatever Mastodon did back when I tried it.
Bluesky works almost exactly like Twitter right now. It makes a vague mention of federation on signup but it’s basically irrelevant and everything right now still goes through their central server, so there is no issue finding content or users.
Mastodon has local and global feeds, and has for years. Did you just sit in your home feed and wonder where all the stuff you haven’t subscribed to was?
Apologies, I wasn’t trying to be productive. The time for that was before the election. Swifties, Gen Z, Gen X, Millennials, boomers, women, men, minorities, etc had the chance to stop Project 2025 and we all failed. I think election results show low turnout across all demographics? And now a lot of people are going to be hurt by the Trump/GOP policies of hate…
whithom@discuss.online
on 10 Nov 17:34
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You expect the masses to leave an app that delivers dopamine just to protest someone they envy over a topic they aren’t even aware of? ;)
zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.dev
on 10 Nov 17:48
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Twitter has historically been used as a platform by a lot of different fandoms and the network effect is strong enough that they haven’t managed to leave en masse until now
theangriestbird@beehaw.org
on 10 Nov 22:57
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That’s what has kept my partner on x. They also go on way less frequently than they used to, but there’s still some fandom stuff that is only there.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
on 10 Nov 21:51
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Anyone who thought they could “stay and fight” and they wouldn’t just get censored and shadowbanned before the election is an idiot.
QuantumEyetanglement@lemdro.id
on 10 Nov 21:53
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Has bluesky actually federated yet? Happy to follow from Mastodon but I’m not joining another corporate social media (is this the right term? You know what I mean)
@along_the_road@QuantumEyetanglement Bluesky is partially decentralized. You can setup your own PDS (the server where your data is stored). There are two central parts: The directory of all DID (comparable with a DNS) and the message relay.
They have got a repository with their code that is uses MIT as license.
QuantumEyetanglement@lemdro.id
on 11 Nov 03:06
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Thanks for the response but can you ELI5? Can I actually follow/interact with someone from bluesky (via Mastodon specifically)?
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and apparently Nazis are following suit.
Someone should perhaps spin up a Mastodon/Misskey/something instance named swifties.social and bring them into the fediverse.
It would be hilarious if it became the biggest instance of its kind within a very short amount of time.
Tempting.
Do it
Really? I’ve had to block maybe one person, but the moderation lists are really well curated and crowdsourced so it mostly hasn’t been a problem.
Don’t let them win by giving up spaces they go to. The overall majority of blue sky that I’ve seen has been pretty similar to Lemmy/Mastodon in terms of general content. Make a Nazi cry, don’t let them kick you out of your spaces.
They are incompatible with society and it’s time they’re made to feel that way.
True, though BlueSky is a temporary redoubt at best, though one which, through switching costs, will trap people just as Xitter did. They accepted venture capital funds, and so when the time comes, will have to somehow recoup that from their users. At the moment, they’re in the glue-trap phase, attracting their users with promises to be open and not screw them over (see also: the early days of Facebook). Once enough are there, and have brought their friends and built personally meaningful networks dependent on BlueSky, the trap will close: third-party APIs will be restricted to the point of not providing an escape (as happened with Reddit and Xitter), the user-configurable algorithms will get unremovable additions that gradually increase the amount of ads, influencer content, AI pink-slime and whatever else they want in your feed, and then you’ll lose the ability to see all the content you selected, all the better to keep you refreshing and scrambling for anything you may have missed. And then, since all your friends and the cool people you follow are there, your choices will be to stay and suck it up, or effectively become a hermit.
the real problem is moving from twitter (x), to twitter (bluesky). expecting it to be better/different. just like all these people currently running from facebook to band.
really, it’s like running away from jason voorhees and intentionally to freddy kreuger, expecting different results.
i mean. we here on lemmy already did this. we went from digg to reddit, we learned our lesson, and came to lemmy. so to constantly advertise bluesky makes absolutely no sense. albeit i guess it’s the same principle, people of twitter need to experience enshitification of bluesky before they learn and settle on the fediverse.
There’s no way to fight them on platforms where they are welcomed by the platform itself. Bluesky doesn’t want to moderate its platform, so there is no fighting the Nazis there.
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“Taylor Swift Fans Are Leaving Twitter for Bluesky After Trump’s Election”
“Some of Taylor Swift Fans Are Leaving Twitter for Bluesky After Trump’s Election”
Tens of Taylor Swift fans claim to leave X
I mean bsky gained an influx of 1.5 million in past few days.
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while X is getting pretty bad lately. this is a sanest choice because mastodon is difficult for noobs and threads algorithm is pretty bad lately.
I really wanted to like Mastodon (never used Twitter) but my main issue with it are;
yeah that is why I enjoy much more on bluesky lately because we have customised feed (especially for you which is very similar like X), good engagement, good language filter and ease of use for signup and usage.
I'm gonna be honest, Mastodon is kinda trash, on its own. It's clunky, ugly, and feels like a platform from 2010 (but not in a good way). I think getting people onboard with a Misskey/Sharkey instance is going to be much better. The feature set is a lot closer to Twitter, and it does literally everything Mastodon does, but better.
What client are you using? Those all sound like complaints about the client, not mastodon.
Uh, probably the default web interface. And Masto servers still lack quite a bit of functionality found on other fedi services.
And we can do this all over again in a couple of years thanks to BlueSky’s refusal to moderte its service, all because internet users refuse to thi:k abput how the internet works, and peoples addictions to being told what to read.
Bluesky is mostly moderated by collarborative community blocklists, and so far atleast, the experience has been great.
And do remember that bluesky is simply a privately owned server for a FOSS protocol and frontend.
Bluesky is funny because they genuinely have some great user based moderation tools but on the official moderation side they’re really bad in all honesty. The sum of these two parts are a better experience than most websited on the internet at the end of the day
That is not moderation. Moderation involves removing bad actors from the site, not underground black lists that let you pretend the Nazis aren’t living next door.
Does bluesky have ads or collect personal data?
i still do not fathom how mastodon is difficult, do people just expect the platform to read your mind and do everything for you? How is it any more difficult than youtube?
I don’t use mastodon, but yes, people are use to social media doing everything for you. Youtube is probably the greatest example of a service that will spoonfeed you content with little to no input from the user. My understanding of mastodon is that you have to know what you’re looking for to find content.
Unfortunate since people are confused on the whole federated aspect (which… who hasn’t used email? 🤦🏻♂️), but also the interactions are much more rewarding since they’re genuine and don’t feel like an algorithm (since there is no algorithm).
I can respect that, but also respect that people will find it empty and confusing, especially because it isn’t corporate, so there is no funnel to get the rolling. They have to be motivated enough to seek all of that information out and as much as people use social media, it isn’t that important to them.
Email does not have issues finding emails. For a much better post than I can write, read TheChargedCreeper’s comment above about the on-boarding experience they (and I) experienced.
Ah now see…
I’ve certainly had issues with desktop outlook finding emails that mobile outlook recieved minutes ago. But now pertinent is that is only true for modern email - and only true for established email - it’s why everyone suggests not hosting your own email.
But, hopefully that experience continues to improve so it’s not a concern for any longer
Learn of YouTube, go to youtube.com and there’s content.
Learn of Mastodon, ask “where’s that?” and be told to go to joinmastodon.org. When I did this, you had to pick an instance. mastodon.social was full, you had to find something else. So you look at every instance there is in the list, and try to filter for moderation rules as you’re told this is best practice. Don’t worry, all of Mastodon can see everything posted by everyone on every instance! Picking an instance is really choosing where your values are best aligned, nothing more. So you spend the effort, make an account, get asked a reason why you’re signing up (though I might be mistaking this memory for when I signed up to Lemmy), have to wait for approval, get an account, and sign into the official app…
… and there’s no content. The only way I ever managed to get content was to learn of Mastodon accounts outside of Mastodon and manually look them up. So I ended up following a whopping 3 accounts, one of which being some EU governmental account, another essentially being the XDA RSS feed. Needless to say, I didn’t stick around.
I don’t know if things have improved since then, or how Bluesky does things. But I’d imagine a platform supposedly started by the people who founded Twitter, built from what supposedly was once an internal test of modifications to Twitter, to have an easier onboarding experience than whatever Mastodon did back when I tried it.
Well said. This almost perfectly describes my experience with Mastodon as well. I ended up joining a Firefish instance later which was better, but no amount of “antennas” or topic follows helps when your instance has 20 users and it can’t find anything.
Bluesky works almost exactly like Twitter right now. It makes a vague mention of federation on signup but it’s basically irrelevant and everything right now still goes through their central server, so there is no issue finding content or users.
Mastodon has local and global feeds, and has for years. Did you just sit in your home feed and wonder where all the stuff you haven’t subscribed to was?
If they had voted, they wouldn’t have to worry about anything else.
Generalizations aren’t productive
Apologies, I wasn’t trying to be productive. The time for that was before the election. Swifties, Gen Z, Gen X, Millennials, boomers, women, men, minorities, etc had the chance to stop Project 2025 and we all failed. I think election results show low turnout across all demographics? And now a lot of people are going to be hurt by the Trump/GOP policies of hate…
Not voting wasn’t productive
I wonder if Taylor will at some point get an account on bluesky.
Why the fuck were they even on X?
You expect the masses to leave an app that delivers dopamine just to protest someone they envy over a topic they aren’t even aware of? ;)
Twitter has historically been used as a platform by a lot of different fandoms and the network effect is strong enough that they haven’t managed to leave en masse until now
That’s what has kept my partner on x. They also go on way less frequently than they used to, but there’s still some fandom stuff that is only there.
I promise you in a year you’ll be asking the same question about the same group of people.
Good riddance.
Anyone who thought they could “stay and fight” and they wouldn’t just get censored and shadowbanned before the election is an idiot.
Has bluesky actually federated yet? Happy to follow from Mastodon but I’m not joining another corporate social media (is this the right term? You know what I mean)
@along_the_road @QuantumEyetanglement Bluesky is partially decentralized. You can setup your own PDS (the server where your data is stored). There are two central parts: The directory of all DID (comparable with a DNS) and the message relay.
They have got a repository with their code that is uses MIT as license.
Thanks for the response but can you ELI5? Can I actually follow/interact with someone from bluesky (via Mastodon specifically)?
Yes and no, they are not natively connected but there are bridges between that can be used
Thanks this makes sense!
Bit late