Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 12 Sep 18:52
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In it, the executives eulogize Kirk, calling him an “advocate for open debate, whose faith was important to him.”
Open debate is good. Now, never bring up and debate any position held by this man.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 12 Sep 19:02
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The last two days have been a fucking joke
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 12 Sep 19:18
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I don’t think that guy did open debates, I think he was a malevolent well poisoner.
Who used the artifice of “debating” to peddle his lies and deceive the masses.
His “debating” is what pseudoscience is to science.
None of them do. They just edit things down to the very few moments that make them look like they’re winning a debate, and even those moments are superficial, construed, or they don’t know that they’re actually losing. If it’s live or in person, conflicting views and evidence are avoided or just ignored. They’re all snakes as if snakes were made of slime.
Yeah, seeing some of his clips, so many of his statements are co fidently asserting whatever feels right to him, never with anything solid to back it up. Fucking snowflakes and their feelings…
No, you are absolutely correct. No need to apologize.
spit_evil_olive_tips@beehaw.org
on 12 Sep 19:10
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How the fuck does the government have this much control over the media?
wealthy oligarchs purchased the media, and purchased the government. so it’s not the government controlling the media directly, it’s just that they report to the same boss.
I don’t work for Comcast and I never will, so let me say this for all of the affected workers:
Fuck him. I will not mourn him. He registers as nothing more than a statistic to me. I’d much rather spend my time mourning children getting mowed down at school than him.
Anyway, hope that gives the workers some relief.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 12 Sep 19:01
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You may have seen that MSNBC recently ended its association with a contributor who made an unacceptable and insensitive comment about this horrific event. That coverage was at odds with fostering civil dialogue and being willing to listen to the points of view of those who have differing opinions. We should be able to disagree, robustly and passionately, but, ultimately, with respect. We need to do better.
Seems like it’s exactly what’s being said?
Believe it or not, not everyone who disagrees with you is “doing a bit”.
spit_evil_olive_tips@beehaw.org
on 12 Sep 19:42
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a contributor who made an unacceptable and insensitive comment about this horrific event
have you read the actual statement that got him fired?
On September 10, 2025, commenting on the killing of Charlie Kirk, Dowd said on-air, “He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.” Dowd also speculated that the shooter may have been a supporter.
you can agree or disagree with the decision to fire him (I’m not shedding any tears, Dowd was the chief strategist for the 2004 Bush re-election campaign, it’s ludicrous that he was working for a supposedly “progressive” network like MSNBC in the first place)
but characterizing that statement as “celebrating murder” is just bullshit.
I haven’t. It was omitted from the article in question. I stand corrected.
spit_evil_olive_tips@beehaw.org
on 12 Sep 19:50
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I haven’t. It was omitted from the article in question. I stand corrected.
keep standing…because here’s the 5th paragraph of the article:
Political analyst Matthew Dowd was fired from MSNBC on Wednesday after speaking about Kirk’s death on air. During a broadcast on Wednesday following the shooting, anchor Katy Tur asked Dowd about “the environment in which a shooting like this happens,” according to Variety. Dowd answered: “He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”
That “unacceptable and insensitive” comment was, in reality, an entirely reasonable take on how Charlie Kirk directly stoked the fires that ended up taking his life. They’re sending a clear message that you are not allowed to speak honestly about any of the context surrounding the event, and can only share an opinion if it shows Kirk in a positive light, since apparently neutral or worse is not allowed.
I mean, it is fair for the company leadership to decide on what is said through their channels.
I don’t really see any issues with them limiting what can be said when representing their company.
However, any coworker should be able to post, comment and like what they want on their own personal social media pages without it affecting their employment.
I remember various attempts by employers to force employees to represent the brand and company at all times, that is just idiotic.
I will only accept that my employer will have me say “no comment” when asked about company opinions or details in my free time.
I hope everyone publicly expresses support for the kids shot in Evergreen on the same day while pointedly ignoring Kirk’s death. I think that sends a clear message without having to mention Kirk at all.
Freedom of speech my ass. America is completely and utterly fucked beyond repair at this point.
Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org
on 12 Sep 21:14
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I was frustrated that Canadian news outlets were downplaying who he really was. They’re also saying people who are celebrating his death should be ashamed.
He contributed to death, ignorance, misinfo, and leading youth into the alt right pipeline. People should be able to participate in politics without risk of their life.
People should also participate in good faith and shouldn’t be allowed to lie or steal. In a just system, these people would be held accountable by the courts. People also should not be allowed to advocate for things that directly or indirectly cause hatred, racism, discrimination, etc.
I don’t feel ashamed for feeling okay with this situation. At most, I feel bad for his kids, but I felt bad for them regardless of this situation.
And what really gets to me is that he was not only a cunt. He was a completely irrelevant cunt to Australia. Why the fuck the media here is eulogising him is just plain fucking stupid. I think there’s still too many Australian journalists clinging to their blue ticks on mecha-hitler world, thinking they are swimming against the toxicity and not realising it’s sinking in, as it was meant to.
Highlandcow@feddit.uk
on 12 Sep 22:02
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I think this is just an issue with how monopolised mainstream media is
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 12 Sep 23:53
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mainstream media journalists just let their brain turn to mush by relying on twitter.
Powderhorn@beehaw.org
on 13 Sep 02:53
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It’s a fair sight more complicated than that. Twitter was a terrible development for journalism, but laying off or buying out anyone experienced is far more the root cause, in addition to corporate control tightening.
6stringringer@lemmy.zip
on 13 Sep 10:20
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Just to be sure I have this nailed down, I could use some acknowledgment from someone else’s perspective. A view I may not be entirely familiar with.
Soooo, a champion for free speech and an advanced mindset is perhaps rolling delightfully in his pre grave state just knowing how much bullshit he created IRL is following him to the grave.
Bighead Biggums was a waste of perfectly fine semen.
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl
on 13 Sep 11:14
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I don’t mourn his passing, i never liked him. But celebrating his assasination… Yeah, i would fire my employees as well if they did this publicly. I am against the death penalty, and in this case someone gave him the death penalty even without due process. If your value’s are such that you celebrate this, then your values don’t align with mine, and you have no place in my business.
I always thought i was politically left, but seeing the reactions of - not just a few, but a lot of - left wing people makes me wonder if i am indeed left.
crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz
on 13 Sep 16:32
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Even if you don’t celebrate his death, calling him a ‘divisive figure’ shouldn’t get you fired
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl
on 14 Sep 02:11
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Open debate is good. Now, never bring up and debate any position held by this man.
The last two days have been a fucking joke
I don’t think that guy did open debates, I think he was a malevolent well poisoner.
Who used the artifice of “debating” to peddle his lies and deceive the masses.
His “debating” is what pseudoscience is to science.
None of them do. They just edit things down to the very few moments that make them look like they’re winning a debate, and even those moments are superficial, construed, or they don’t know that they’re actually losing. If it’s live or in person, conflicting views and evidence are avoided or just ignored. They’re all snakes as if snakes were made of slime.
Yeah, seeing some of his clips, so many of his statements are co fidently asserting whatever feels right to him, never with anything solid to back it up. Fucking snowflakes and their feelings…
God you people live in an authoritarian wasteland of a country.
How the fuck does the government have this much control over the media?
Billionaire oligarchs
Because the media is owned by the billionaires, which have a vested interest in the current administration’s policies
Cos we live in an authoritarian wasteland of a country. Can I come refuge in your country?
Absolutely. And I shouldn’t have used those words, i just got angry
Hey, I don’t blame you at all for using those words, they were honest and quite true. I say way worse about this place on the daily
No, you are absolutely correct. No need to apologize.
wealthy oligarchs purchased the media, and purchased the government. so it’s not the government controlling the media directly, it’s just that they report to the same boss.
would you like to know more?
Late stage capitalism gone oligarchy
billionaires ruined the USA
It’s not the government, it’s the rich.
Even worse.
In americas case, these are the exact same people
It may be on display like a baboons ass in the US, but it is also going on where you are. You just aren’t seeing it.
I don’t work for Comcast and I never will, so let me say this for all of the affected workers:
Fuck him. I will not mourn him. He registers as nothing more than a statistic to me. I’d much rather spend my time mourning children getting mowed down at school than him.
Anyway, hope that gives the workers some relief.
America is a farce
A farce with lots of nukes, mkay
Unfortunately
I mean it seems pretty rational to demand your employees not to celebrate murder. 🤷
That isn’t what’s being said here. I hope you’re smart enough to know that and you’re just doing a bit
Seems like it’s exactly what’s being said?
Believe it or not, not everyone who disagrees with you is “doing a bit”.
have you read the actual statement that got him fired?
from wikipedia:
you can agree or disagree with the decision to fire him (I’m not shedding any tears, Dowd was the chief strategist for the 2004 Bush re-election campaign, it’s ludicrous that he was working for a supposedly “progressive” network like MSNBC in the first place)
but characterizing that statement as “celebrating murder” is just bullshit.
I haven’t. It was omitted from the article in question. I stand corrected.
keep standing…because here’s the 5th paragraph of the article:
The person fired from msnbc said nothing about his death but instead spoke about his character and the environment Kirk supported and created.
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That “unacceptable and insensitive” comment was, in reality, an entirely reasonable take on how Charlie Kirk directly stoked the fires that ended up taking his life. They’re sending a clear message that you are not allowed to speak honestly about any of the context surrounding the event, and can only share an opinion if it shows Kirk in a positive light, since apparently neutral or worse is not allowed.
I mean, it is fair for the company leadership to decide on what is said through their channels.
I don’t really see any issues with them limiting what can be said when representing their company.
However, any coworker should be able to post, comment and like what they want on their own personal social media pages without it affecting their employment.
I remember various attempts by employers to force employees to represent the brand and company at all times, that is just idiotic.
I will only accept that my employer will have me say “no comment” when asked about company opinions or details in my free time.
I hope everyone publicly expresses support for the kids shot in Evergreen on the same day while pointedly ignoring Kirk’s death. I think that sends a clear message without having to mention Kirk at all.
they’re terrified people might learn something from this.
Freedom of speech my ass. America is completely and utterly fucked beyond repair at this point.
I was frustrated that Canadian news outlets were downplaying who he really was. They’re also saying people who are celebrating his death should be ashamed.
He contributed to death, ignorance, misinfo, and leading youth into the alt right pipeline. People should be able to participate in politics without risk of their life.
People should also participate in good faith and shouldn’t be allowed to lie or steal. In a just system, these people would be held accountable by the courts. People also should not be allowed to advocate for things that directly or indirectly cause hatred, racism, discrimination, etc.
I don’t feel ashamed for feeling okay with this situation. At most, I feel bad for his kids, but I felt bad for them regardless of this situation.
Idk man. It’s dumb
Same here in Australia.
And what really gets to me is that he was not only a cunt. He was a completely irrelevant cunt to Australia. Why the fuck the media here is eulogising him is just plain fucking stupid. I think there’s still too many Australian journalists clinging to their blue ticks on mecha-hitler world, thinking they are swimming against the toxicity and not realising it’s sinking in, as it was meant to.
I think this is just an issue with how monopolised mainstream media is
mainstream media journalists just let their brain turn to mush by relying on twitter.
It’s a fair sight more complicated than that. Twitter was a terrible development for journalism, but laying off or buying out anyone experienced is far more the root cause, in addition to corporate control tightening.
Fair lol I don’t trust journos much
by wrong thing i assume they mean don't point out charlie's history of white supremacy and antisemitism?
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Just to be sure I have this nailed down, I could use some acknowledgment from someone else’s perspective. A view I may not be entirely familiar with. Soooo, a champion for free speech and an advanced mindset is perhaps rolling delightfully in his pre grave state just knowing how much bullshit he created IRL is following him to the grave. Bighead Biggums was a waste of perfectly fine semen.
I don’t mourn his passing, i never liked him. But celebrating his assasination… Yeah, i would fire my employees as well if they did this publicly. I am against the death penalty, and in this case someone gave him the death penalty even without due process. If your value’s are such that you celebrate this, then your values don’t align with mine, and you have no place in my business.
I always thought i was politically left, but seeing the reactions of - not just a few, but a lot of - left wing people makes me wonder if i am indeed left.
Even if you don’t celebrate his death, calling him a ‘divisive figure’ shouldn’t get you fired
Fair enough.
Agreed
I’m going to guess that you probably aren’t part of one of the many groups he actively advocated for violence and hatred against.
I don’t celebrate his death, but that a man actively advocating for violence and hate against so many has been silenced.
You’re not that good at guessing. I’m a gay male.
Comcast executives putting themselves on a list
I would be telling my employees the same, because I dont want them to get slimed online like everyone else.