MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
on 09 Jul 20:24
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Worst thing about this is it stops at “non-adults”, and puts the burden in individual services(which would be un-workable, yes) rather than ISPs(which have the means). God forbid we do anything to help society as a whole.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 09 Jul 21:21
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Don’t advocate for fashy shit like ISP restrictions
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
on 09 Jul 22:56
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Might as well call peak usage rates for electricity “fashy shit”. Excessive social media usage helps no-one. In fact its the opposite, and particularly so for marginalized groups.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 09 Jul 23:33
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You k.ow they want to to go after LGBT people and Palestine protestors right? That’s their while thing and they’ve admitted it? Why do you wanna help the evil people?
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jul 02:52
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Limitting time is nothing like limitting speech. If I want to write a lengthy post, I can write it off-line, copy-and-paste without wasting quota time or whatever. Same goes for reading lengthy content; Copy/Paste(or print2pdf) and save for later.
Missing the latest short-form content garbage would be a boon for those who otherwise insist on wasting their time, mental and emotional energy like so.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 10 Jul 03:36
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What? Your logic is insane
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jul 04:15
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The internet was better before ignorant takes like yours showed up. Facebook, tik-tok, and the like invented nothing that wasn’t done better previously. Are you really so addicted to all this Web 2.0 non-sense? Of course you are. Get help.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org
on 10 Jul 02:38
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Excessive social media usage helps no-one.
Only commercial social media.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jul 02:55
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Even if they somehow limit time spent on forums, mastodon, whatever, content can be saved for later consumption, and responses composed for later posting. Instant access to the latest tweet or tiktok isn’t helping anyone but advertisers.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org
on 10 Jul 02:59
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We aren’t sure how this rebutts what we said. Commercial social media seems to us to be the problem for the most part, open source social media run by real people seems to be a lot healthier from what we have experienced.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jul 03:06
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If you read what I wrote, open source social media is also easier to consume and interact with in the manner I described. Usenet, e-mail, IRC, forums, even private messaging and group-chats are both healthier to interact with and less demanding of our time than “services” that bury the content we want to see like facebook and the rest.
Every single one is still around and in use by the same people who built the internet and others who get more done for themselves and open-source projects than you or I or most of us on Lemmy and the more modern de-federated schemes.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 10 Jul 03:38
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So.why do you want restrictions targeting marginalised groups?
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jul 04:13
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What in god’s green earth about limitting social media usage for everyone on a daily time-use basis implies anything about targetting marginalized groups? Things that are detrimental to mental health, like excessive social media consumption, aren’t magically less-so for marginalized groups.
If anything, such media is a distraction and pacifier of sorts.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org
on 10 Jul 10:23
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There are people who literally cannot leave the house and their community is literally on social media. Are you saying their mental health would not decline if they were unable to reach their community due to some asinine law like this?
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jul 19:26
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Get this straight: Private Messaging and e-mail are not Social Media in the context of this law, and neither are phone calls or texts. Give me an hour, and I can download enough pages of whatever I like to keep me busy for a week.
Seeking validation from strangers in real-time is bad for your mental health. Yes, even for the home-bound. That said, your argument would probably win-out in court, so there would have to be exceptions. “Adult” is still too broad of an exception on its own IMHO.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org
on 10 Jul 19:29
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Yes, I understand that. But not everybody can talk all the time like that, some people can only really have enough energy for social media, not talking one-to-one, I know a few.
Woah, I’m not talking about “seeking validation from strangers”. I’m talking about building actual community online, and that being all some people have due to either homeboundness, or other reasons where online is the only community they can know, I’m saying such a law would genuinely put those people in jeopardy, no matter what age they are.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 10 Jul 03:37
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This place feels like Reddit before it enshittified. I missed those old days.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org
on 10 Jul 10:29
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That’s somewhat depressing if so as I’ve run into so many assholes here. Still, interesting to know.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 10 Jul 19:16
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I’m talking like 2012 era. I mean where are assholes and dumbasses but that was what it was always like. Things got worse because corpos are abusing us for money and now we’re returning to the mean, where good things are possible again. You just gotta turn out the shitheads that’s all
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
on 09 Jul 20:48
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Techdirt has been killing it since they decided to start covering politics.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 09 Jul 21:19
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Young people criticized Israel and are having their free speech taken away. That’d what’s going on. We must help them get around these fascist laws
Populate a public list of other users with whom such user shares a social connection within such service or application
seems like the easiest way to circumvent this law, with the least effort. Just hide connections for users in VA, and now you’re not a social media site. You could even give them their own domain like facebookva.com that only they route through, in case the VA govt try to claim all users on the site have to work the same way. Tie them up for years.
We only elect the best here in the USA. Hey, VA, thanks for taking the heat off our idiots here in AR. We are collectively stupid here in the US south. We need a fresh wave of Darwinism down here to wash out the stupid.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jul 04:04
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Worst thing about this is it stops at “non-adults”, and puts the burden in individual services(which would be un-workable, yes) rather than ISPs(which have the means). God forbid we do anything to help society as a whole.
Don’t advocate for fashy shit like ISP restrictions
Might as well call peak usage rates for electricity “fashy shit”. Excessive social media usage helps no-one. In fact its the opposite, and particularly so for marginalized groups.
You k.ow they want to to go after LGBT people and Palestine protestors right? That’s their while thing and they’ve admitted it? Why do you wanna help the evil people?
Limitting time is nothing like limitting speech. If I want to write a lengthy post, I can write it off-line, copy-and-paste without wasting quota time or whatever. Same goes for reading lengthy content; Copy/Paste(or print2pdf) and save for later.
Missing the latest short-form content garbage would be a boon for those who otherwise insist on wasting their time, mental and emotional energy like so.
What? Your logic is insane
The internet was better before ignorant takes like yours showed up. Facebook, tik-tok, and the like invented nothing that wasn’t done better previously. Are you really so addicted to all this Web 2.0 non-sense? Of course you are. Get help.
Only commercial social media.
Even if they somehow limit time spent on forums, mastodon, whatever, content can be saved for later consumption, and responses composed for later posting. Instant access to the latest tweet or tiktok isn’t helping anyone but advertisers.
We aren’t sure how this rebutts what we said. Commercial social media seems to us to be the problem for the most part, open source social media run by real people seems to be a lot healthier from what we have experienced.
If you read what I wrote, open source social media is also easier to consume and interact with in the manner I described. Usenet, e-mail, IRC, forums, even private messaging and group-chats are both healthier to interact with and less demanding of our time than “services” that bury the content we want to see like facebook and the rest.
Every single one is still around and in use by the same people who built the internet and others who get more done for themselves and open-source projects than you or I or most of us on Lemmy and the more modern de-federated schemes.
So.why do you want restrictions targeting marginalised groups?
What in god’s green earth about limitting social media usage for everyone on a daily time-use basis implies anything about targetting marginalized groups? Things that are detrimental to mental health, like excessive social media consumption, aren’t magically less-so for marginalized groups.
If anything, such media is a distraction and pacifier of sorts.
There are people who literally cannot leave the house and their community is literally on social media. Are you saying their mental health would not decline if they were unable to reach their community due to some asinine law like this?
Get this straight: Private Messaging and e-mail are not Social Media in the context of this law, and neither are phone calls or texts. Give me an hour, and I can download enough pages of whatever I like to keep me busy for a week.
Seeking validation from strangers in real-time is bad for your mental health. Yes, even for the home-bound. That said, your argument would probably win-out in court, so there would have to be exceptions. “Adult” is still too broad of an exception on its own IMHO.
Yes, I understand that. But not everybody can talk all the time like that, some people can only really have enough energy for social media, not talking one-to-one, I know a few.
Woah, I’m not talking about “seeking validation from strangers”. I’m talking about building actual community online, and that being all some people have due to either homeboundness, or other reasons where online is the only community they can know, I’m saying such a law would genuinely put those people in jeopardy, no matter what age they are.
This place feels like Reddit before it enshittified. I missed those old days.
That’s somewhat depressing if so as I’ve run into so many assholes here. Still, interesting to know.
I’m talking like 2012 era. I mean where are assholes and dumbasses but that was what it was always like. Things got worse because corpos are abusing us for money and now we’re returning to the mean, where good things are possible again. You just gotta turn out the shitheads that’s all
Techdirt has been killing it since they decided to start covering politics.
Young people criticized Israel and are having their free speech taken away. That’d what’s going on. We must help them get around these fascist laws
So this bit here:
seems like the easiest way to circumvent this law, with the least effort. Just hide connections for users in VA, and now you’re not a social media site. You could even give them their own domain like facebookva.com that only they route through, in case the VA govt try to claim all users on the site have to work the same way. Tie them up for years.
We only elect the best here in the USA. Hey, VA, thanks for taking the heat off our idiots here in AR. We are collectively stupid here in the US south. We need a fresh wave of Darwinism down here to wash out the stupid.
The unworkability is a feature, not a bug.
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