The whole “one individual talking to another” aspect of the internet of the 00s is gone. It feels more and more like an “everyone is talking to you and hearing you, like it or not”. Facebook is only an example of that - and even if it didn’t enshittify, I find unlikely that it would’ve kept that aspect.
I also wonder if my experiences with Orkut wouldn’t be similar to the ones of the author with FB, if only Google didn’t kill Orkut. (It was a big thing here.)
AlexanderESmith@social.alexanderesmith.com
on 21 Oct 01:59
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I have plenty of Discord and Matrix rooms where I'm specifically there to talk to - and be talked to by - a select group of specific people.
It might a practice I maintain because I (and those people) have been with the Internet since before AOL.
That’s a great analogy. And a fair point - it got burrowed, but it’s still there.
At least when we deal with individuals using the platform. The platform is still listening to you, and sharing it with advertisers; that’s the whole model behind Meta (WhatsApp) and Snapchat. They’re still hearing you, and want to talk with you (shhh, I’ve heard you bought [product]? Here are some offers for even more [product]!), regardless of what you want.
And that’s one of the many reasons why we want private communications, we want no creepy megacorp listening in
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 21 Oct 13:57
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My peeve with the illustration there is that it shows the dark forest (adtech shit and bots) as separate from the cozy web (chat streams like discord, slack, whatsapp), because said streams are largely run by the dark forest.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 21 Oct 08:06
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I’ve actually considered starting a Friendica or other instance exclusively for friends and family to share pictures and communicate, invite only…
… But even if I managed the insane technical aspects and convinced people to try it, I only fear the mainstream social media giants have already trained them to be their worst selves at this point. I can see the bickering drama threads now, eating up my gigabytes…
I just hate how fragmented and walled the most connected Internet ever is…I felt more connection when I had everyone between Yahoo and MSN Messengers, or took the time to check out friends’ MySpace pages.
TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social
on 20 Oct 21:42
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The original Facebook was just “hot or not” for a college campus, and required invites.
Yeah; my reaction to the headline was “…and good riddance?”
I never signed up for Facebook in the first place because I knew some of the people involved in the original Facebook. I didn’t want them getting their hands on my personal info because I knew what they’d do with it… and they did.
Moonrise2473@feddit.it
on 20 Oct 21:45
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Years ago it was really interesting, could follow all my friends and see what they were up to. Now it’s ads, suggested content and sometimes, accidentally, I can see some uninteresting post from someone I barely know
entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org
on 21 Oct 18:30
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My feed is aware of my politics and throws everyone I’m friends with or follow (and some who I’ve unfollowed) who wrote something objectively wrong or stupid that’s biased the other way politically.
It’s literally all rage bait unless I go in and manually block it from showing me those people at all.
I went back to watch my Facebook since years and I scrolled and scrolled. 24 sponsored posts before seeing a post from someone that I knew! And it was a post from someone out of the country who did a 1 week workshop with me ten years ago (=someone that I barely know). Next post is from a schoolmate after 21 sponsored posts. Need to-scroll through another 21 sponsored posts to find another real post. Again from someone who I barely know (the teacher of that workshop where I went ten years ago)
How can people enjoy this shit? They actually enjoy watching ads?
electric_nan@lemmy.ml
on 20 Oct 23:11
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That’s because it was in it’s money-losing “growth” phase. The Facebook we have today was always the point.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Oct 12:10
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I dislike the whole concept of “social media” in the Facebook sense.
I think the ideal form of “social media”, which was also popular in 2004, was the web forum. I want that back, not something where I have to follow people, but something where I can meet and find people with common interests and discuss those interests with them.
The only correction i’d do to this message is to stop calling this person “Zuck”, Mark Zuckerberg IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, stop calling these fucking bastards cutesy friend names or on a first name basis (like “Elon”, Zuck" and others like this) , they DO NOT deserve them and they WANT to be called that
mctoasterson@reddthat.com
on 21 Oct 16:37
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Don’t forget it also created a 5-10 year period of otherwise-tech-illiterate ditsy chicks with comm or marketing degrees rebranding themselves as “Social Media Marketing Expert”, because they knew what buttons to click in Facebook UI.
entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org
on 21 Oct 18:33
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Hey, don’t be sexist. There’s plenty of otherwise-tech-illiterate ditsy dudes in the same work pool.
off_brand_@beehaw.org
on 22 Oct 12:06
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The whole “one individual talking to another” aspect of the internet of the 00s is gone. It feels more and more like an “everyone is talking to you and hearing you, like it or not”. Facebook is only an example of that - and even if it didn’t enshittify, I find unlikely that it would’ve kept that aspect.
I also wonder if my experiences with Orkut wouldn’t be similar to the ones of the author with FB, if only Google didn’t kill Orkut. (It was a big thing here.)
I have plenty of Discord and Matrix rooms where I'm specifically there to talk to - and be talked to by - a select group of specific people.
It might a practice I maintain because I (and those people) have been with the Internet since before AOL.
It’s not gone, it has gone underground, i like this model to describe the current internet
That’s a great analogy. And a fair point - it got burrowed, but it’s still there.
At least when we deal with individuals using the platform. The platform is still listening to you, and sharing it with advertisers; that’s the whole model behind Meta (WhatsApp) and Snapchat. They’re still hearing you, and want to talk with you (shhh, I’ve heard you bought [product]? Here are some offers for even more [product]!), regardless of what you want.
And that’s one of the many reasons why we want private communications, we want no creepy megacorp listening in
My peeve with the illustration there is that it shows the dark forest (adtech shit and bots) as separate from the cozy web (chat streams like discord, slack, whatsapp), because said streams are largely run by the dark forest.
I’ve actually considered starting a Friendica or other instance exclusively for friends and family to share pictures and communicate, invite only…
… But even if I managed the insane technical aspects and convinced people to try it, I only fear the mainstream social media giants have already trained them to be their worst selves at this point. I can see the bickering drama threads now, eating up my gigabytes…
I just hate how fragmented and walled the most connected Internet ever is…I felt more connection when I had everyone between Yahoo and MSN Messengers, or took the time to check out friends’ MySpace pages.
The original Facebook was just “hot or not” for a college campus, and required invites.
Yeah; my reaction to the headline was “…and good riddance?”
I never signed up for Facebook in the first place because I knew some of the people involved in the original Facebook. I didn’t want them getting their hands on my personal info because I knew what they’d do with it… and they did.
Years ago it was really interesting, could follow all my friends and see what they were up to. Now it’s ads, suggested content and sometimes, accidentally, I can see some uninteresting post from someone I barely know
My feed is aware of my politics and throws everyone I’m friends with or follow (and some who I’ve unfollowed) who wrote something objectively wrong or stupid that’s biased the other way politically.
It’s literally all rage bait unless I go in and manually block it from showing me those people at all.
I went back to watch my Facebook since years and I scrolled and scrolled. 24 sponsored posts before seeing a post from someone that I knew! And it was a post from someone out of the country who did a 1 week workshop with me ten years ago (=someone that I barely know). Next post is from a schoolmate after 21 sponsored posts. Need to-scroll through another 21 sponsored posts to find another real post. Again from someone who I barely know (the teacher of that workshop where I went ten years ago)
How can people enjoy this shit? They actually enjoy watching ads?
That’s because it was in it’s money-losing “growth” phase. The Facebook we have today was always the point.
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I dislike the whole concept of “social media” in the Facebook sense.
I think the ideal form of “social media”, which was also popular in 2004, was the web forum. I want that back, not something where I have to follow people, but something where I can meet and find people with common interests and discuss those interests with them.
There was an article recently talking about how forums are still around. Has a decent list too:
aftermath.site/best-active-forums-internet-today
Now how about forum signatures?
boots up cracked Photoshop
Omg I miss making forum signatures!!! My fav part about it honestly
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask.
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend’s Name]: What? How’d you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don’t know why.
Zuck: They “trust me”
Zuck: Dumb fucks
The only correction i’d do to this message is to stop calling this person “Zuck”, Mark Zuckerberg IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, stop calling these fucking bastards cutesy friend names or on a first name basis (like “Elon”, Zuck" and others like this) , they DO NOT deserve them and they WANT to be called that
Don’t forget it also created a 5-10 year period of otherwise-tech-illiterate ditsy chicks with comm or marketing degrees rebranding themselves as “Social Media Marketing Expert”, because they knew what buttons to click in Facebook UI.
Hey, don’t be sexist. There’s plenty of otherwise-tech-illiterate ditsy dudes in the same work pool.
Cringe
Defrauding corporations sounds like praxis to me.