NTFS turns 30 years old today! I hear it's still in use by some crufty old legacy operating systems 😁

NTFS turns 30 years old today! I hear it's still in use by some crufty old legacy operating systems 😁 (en.wikipedia.org)
from riskable@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.ml on 27 Jul 2023 21:10
https://programming.dev/post/990712

As a full time desktop Linux user since 1999 (the actual year of the Linux desktop) I wish all you Windows folks the best of luck on the next clean install 👍

…and Happy 30th Birthday “New Technology” File System!

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Hodacoda@lemmings.world on 27 Jul 2023 21:31 next collapse

Why are Linux nerds so insecure? Lol

Mane25@feddit.uk on 27 Jul 2023 21:36 next collapse

priapus@sh.itjust.works on 27 Jul 2023 21:51 collapse

Making an account to say this seems like the insecure thing. Lol

Also plenty of Windows users criticize NTFS. It’s just outdated. Windows needs a new option.

Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml on 27 Jul 2023 22:06 next collapse

Honest question: what are the limitations? Most articles online compare it with FAT, which isn’t really an interesting comparison.

duncesplayed@lemmy.one on 28 Jul 2023 08:14 collapse

To the best of my knowledge, most of the limitations are around allocation. NTFS doesn’t allow for extent-based allocation, delayed allocation, uninitialized allocation, etc. It only has one allocation mode, which is the traditional block-at-a-time (actually “cluster”-at-a-time, though NTFS’s clusters are roughly block-sized compared to other filesystems), which is now thought to be slightly less than ideal in terms of allocation performance and fragmentation.

And…speaking of fragmentation, I believe NTFS still can’t do online defragmentation??? I can’t see anything that contradicts this, but it’s possible I’m out of date.

There are other small differences. NTFS has unnecessary filename restrictions, like prohibiting " and ? and things. But that’s typically less important.

YoMismo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Jul 2023 22:12 collapse

What about ReFS !? I have read it could be the alternative to NTFS in the future.

MajinBlayze@lemmy.world on 27 Jul 2023 21:36 next collapse

Nobody tell him

ken27238@lemmy.ml on 27 Jul 2023 21:56 next collapse

That was oddly hostile.

ChrislyBear@lemmy.world on 27 Jul 2023 22:02 next collapse

Thanks for the well wishes! I hope they won’t get corrupted on your new, fresh and untested-by-time file system. Go on, save this post. I’ll wait…

PupBiru@kbin.social on 28 Jul 2023 00:45 collapse

i’m confused… are you talking about ext4, xfs, zfs…? because these are the filesystems linux people talk about and these are also the filesystems that run the worlds databases and data storage systems

ChrislyBear@lemmy.world on 28 Jul 2023 05:41 collapse

I realize my comment sounds like throwing shade onto the great file systems in the linux space.

I just wanted to point out, that when it comes to file systems you probably want the “old and stuffy” one because it has ben tested by time and you won’t lose your data.

DAT@feddit.de on 28 Jul 2023 06:21 next collapse

so… fat>ntfs?

that’s not how this works

ChrislyBear@lemmy.world on 28 Jul 2023 10:12 collapse

Yes, but only when NTFS was still young, though. As it matured and became more reliable it also became “fat<ntfs”, to put it in your terms.

PupBiru@kbin.social on 28 Jul 2023 10:14 collapse

choice is king

for some things, sure... but for other things i'll take snapshots, dedupe, etc... i'll put my system disk on a fancy new filesystem and keep my user data on something more mundane for sure! that allows snapshot and restore of major upgrades with basically no effort

DAT@feddit.de on 28 Jul 2023 06:19 collapse

tell me again… how old is ext2 now?

age of the initial version might not be the best metric