NTFS turns 30 years old today! I hear it's still in use by some crufty old legacy operating systems šŸ˜ (en.wikipedia.org)
from riskable@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.ml on 27 Jul 2023 21:10
https://programming.dev/post/990712

As a full time desktop Linux user since 1999 (the actual year of the Linux desktop) I wish all you Windows folks the best of luck on the next clean install šŸ‘

ā€¦and Happy 30th Birthday ā€œNew Technologyā€ File System!

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Hodacoda@lemmings.world on 27 Jul 2023 21:31 next collapse

Why are Linux nerds so insecure? Lol

Mane25@feddit.uk on 27 Jul 2023 21:36 next collapse

?

priapus@sh.itjust.works on 27 Jul 2023 21:51 collapse

Making an account to say this seems like the insecure thing. Lol

Also plenty of Windows users criticize NTFS. Itā€™s just outdated. Windows needs a new option.

Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml on 27 Jul 2023 22:06 next collapse

Honest question: what are the limitations? Most articles online compare it with FAT, which isnā€™t really an interesting comparison.

duncesplayed@lemmy.one on 28 Jul 2023 08:14 collapse

To the best of my knowledge, most of the limitations are around allocation. NTFS doesnā€™t allow for extent-based allocation, delayed allocation, uninitialized allocation, etc. It only has one allocation mode, which is the traditional block-at-a-time (actually ā€œclusterā€-at-a-time, though NTFSā€™s clusters are roughly block-sized compared to other filesystems), which is now thought to be slightly less than ideal in terms of allocation performance and fragmentation.

Andā€¦speaking of fragmentation, I believe NTFS still canā€™t do online defragmentation??? I canā€™t see anything that contradicts this, but itā€™s possible Iā€™m out of date.

There are other small differences. NTFS has unnecessary filename restrictions, like prohibiting " and ? and things. But thatā€™s typically less important.

YoMismo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Jul 2023 22:12 collapse

What about ReFS !? I have read it could be the alternative to NTFS in the future.

MajinBlayze@lemmy.world on 27 Jul 2023 21:36 next collapse

Nobody tell him

ken27238@lemmy.ml on 27 Jul 2023 21:56 next collapse

That was oddly hostile.

ChrislyBear@lemmy.world on 27 Jul 2023 22:02 next collapse

Thanks for the well wishes! I hope they wonā€™t get corrupted on your new, fresh and untested-by-time file system. Go on, save this post. Iā€™ll waitā€¦

PupBiru@kbin.social on 28 Jul 2023 00:45 collapse

iā€™m confusedā€¦ are you talking about ext4, xfs, zfsā€¦? because these are the filesystems linux people talk about and these are also the filesystems that run the worlds databases and data storage systems

ChrislyBear@lemmy.world on 28 Jul 2023 05:41 collapse

I realize my comment sounds like throwing shade onto the great file systems in the linux space.

I just wanted to point out, that when it comes to file systems you probably want the ā€œold and stuffyā€ one because it has ben tested by time and you wonā€™t lose your data.

DAT@feddit.de on 28 Jul 2023 06:21 next collapse

soā€¦ fat>ntfs?

thatā€™s not how this works

ChrislyBear@lemmy.world on 28 Jul 2023 10:12 collapse

Yes, but only when NTFS was still young, though. As it matured and became more reliable it also became ā€œfat<ntfsā€, to put it in your terms.

PupBiru@kbin.social on 28 Jul 2023 10:14 collapse

choice is king

for some things, sure... but for other things i'll take snapshots, dedupe, etc... i'll put my system disk on a fancy new filesystem and keep my user data on something more mundane for sure! that allows snapshot and restore of major upgrades with basically no effort

DAT@feddit.de on 28 Jul 2023 06:19 collapse

tell me againā€¦ how old is ext2 now?

age of the initial version might not be the best metric