Looks interesting until you close the keyboard cover. Talk about lumpy.
robolemmy@lemmy.world
on 30 May 14:43
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It’s a neat idea but it looks like the company doesn’t have the resources to create decent hardware to carry it out
jordanlund@lemmy.world
on 30 May 15:01
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“it runs a custom operating system called SpaceOS, which is a built on top of Google’s ChromiumOS (the open source version of the software that’s runs on Chromebooks)”
So $2,000 for hardware that’s a brick in 5 years… nice!
“And that software runs on hardware that’s… basically what you’d expect from a decent smartphone. The Spacetop G1 features a Qualcomm Snapdragon QCS8550 processor, 16GB of LPDDR5 memory, and 128GB of UFS 3.1 storage.
With Adreno 740 graphics and a Hexagon NPU, Sightful says the system supports up to 48 TOPS of total AI performance… which would be more impressive if Qualcomm hadn’t just launched its Snapdragon X Plus and Elite chips which deliver 45 TOPS using just the NPU, while also offering CPU and graphics performance that are said to be competitive with Intel, AMD, and Apple processors.”
Hmmm… not that you’d still WANT to be running that hardware in 2 years, much less 5…
i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de
on 30 May 15:15
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The five year policy is for ChromeOS, not ChromiumOS. ChromiumOS-based devices may have more or less support.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 May 15:46
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Yeah, the developer of the device might drop it in 2 years
delirious_owl@discuss.online
on 02 Jun 14:27
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But why not just use Linux and get decades of updates?
i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 Jun 01:54
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ChromeOS and ChromiumOS are Linux.
The problem with ChromeOS (and Android) devices is that hardware support is usually only available in a fork of Linux which gets as little maintenance as possible for the five years. You end up with the choice of running and old kernel that supports the hardware but not some new software, a new kernel that supports new software but the hardware doesn’t work right, or taking over maintenance of the fork yourself. The same problem occurs with uncommon hardware on non-ChromeOS devices.
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com
on 30 May 15:04
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Make it cost less that $2K and enable the use of a standard OS and I’d give it a go. Would also be great if the glasses could somehow not be wired, but trying to power them for any length of time would be a pain.
“Instead it has two USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C ports that you can use to connect peripherals including AR glasses that come with the device”
OOOR… wacky idea… release the glasses for use on any device with the proper ports…
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com
on 30 May 15:19
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That too, I haven’t delved into the whole AR space a lot but would plenty well like the option to connect something lightweight and have a virtual giant screen.
The other question I’d have for something like that is the contrast levels. If it ends up as a ‘ghost’ overlay it could make doing things with a lot of text/terminals a big strain to look at.
Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee
on 30 May 15:30
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Yeah I’d absolutely consider replacing or augmenting my display with something like these glasses, but asking people to pay more, downgrade specs, replace their whole system, all while picking up an unfamiliar OS… I’ll wait for the gen 2. Or 4.
Yeah. People already sell laptops; this is basically a super expensive laptop with a fancy screen and a janky custom OS. But having this as an app for your phone, that let you pop other apps up into the heads-up virtual display or have "full screen" access to certain functionality while still supporting all your regular stuff, would be pretty different. So it can make your phone "laptop like" any time you wanted to pop the glasses on, or pop little notifications into the corner of your vision, maybe with a couple of little buttons on the glasses for "expand notification" "clear notification" "clear all" "up" "down" "minimize" "maximize", something like that, would be super neat. And then any time you want to break out the keyboard you can use it like a computer.
(I know the permissions and app compatibility and battery life etc would make that not necessarily trivial to do)
Not the same company but Andrew Ethan Zeng on Youtube tested the XREAL Air AR Glasses. He was able to connect the glasses directly to his phone and his Macbook. Note, they did sponsor the video and reviews aren’t exactly great. His video is really informative though.
I assume these folks implemented their own AR stack, so the Linux world would indeed to win much with them being here, other than convincing people to use Linux in general.
I’ve been using Sunshine for Linux with Moonlight on my AVP and that works great. The native Moonlight port for AVP is still very much a buggy, crashy WIP, but the iPad version is a decent enough standby.
Honestly, using virtual Mac Display on AVP is so, so, so good, that I want that functionality everywhere… from any and all of my devices. Sunshine + Moonlight is currently the most promising path forward, IMO.
This seems really neat, and I hope it doesn’t just die somewhere, certainly a cool idea, but 1080p is not nearly enough pixels to stop you from getting a headache after a short while.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de
on 30 May 18:26
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It will definitely be a brick soon enough but I hope it’s at least hackable enough that people do something with it afterwards.
Yes, disappointing, but this might not be for the full fov.
It says 50°, and such glasses can be worn on different lengths from the eyes.
Regardless, I agree with you - I absolutely want to see (a lot) more than 1080p of like financial data/code/hentai without moving my head, otherwise I’ll just keep using my office monitors.
pastabatman@lemmy.world
on 30 May 19:27
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I can’t tell if this is a good idea or a bad idea. Probably a bad idea at that price point with those specs, but this seems like a much more usable and useful form factor than a fully head mounted system when you factor in the weight of the thing on your head and the input method. Like, I might actually be able to do work on this thing unlike an apple vision pro.
There are actually like 10 exact same glasses from different manufacturers/brands, from 250-ish moneys upwards (you might need various addition interfaces for your devices, like PC, HDMI, etc - sold separately and unreasonably expensive for what they are).
They all use the same design, Sony OLEDs, speakers, batteries, accessories, etc, they only differ in front design.
One of my longshot projects is to convert my framework laptop main board to exactly this. I basically use the glasses a lot more than the screen at this point (it’s more convenient at night before bed)
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Looks interesting until you close the keyboard cover. Talk about lumpy.
It’s a neat idea but it looks like the company doesn’t have the resources to create decent hardware to carry it out
“it runs a custom operating system called SpaceOS, which is a built on top of Google’s ChromiumOS (the open source version of the software that’s runs on Chromebooks)”
So $2,000 for hardware that’s a brick in 5 years… nice!
promevo.com/blog/chrome-os-expiration#:~:text=Doe….
“And that software runs on hardware that’s… basically what you’d expect from a decent smartphone. The Spacetop G1 features a Qualcomm Snapdragon QCS8550 processor, 16GB of LPDDR5 memory, and 128GB of UFS 3.1 storage.
With Adreno 740 graphics and a Hexagon NPU, Sightful says the system supports up to 48 TOPS of total AI performance… which would be more impressive if Qualcomm hadn’t just launched its Snapdragon X Plus and Elite chips which deliver 45 TOPS using just the NPU, while also offering CPU and graphics performance that are said to be competitive with Intel, AMD, and Apple processors.”
Hmmm… not that you’d still WANT to be running that hardware in 2 years, much less 5…
The five year policy is for ChromeOS, not ChromiumOS. ChromiumOS-based devices may have more or less support.
Yeah, the developer of the device might drop it in 2 years
But why not just use Linux and get decades of updates?
ChromeOS and ChromiumOS are Linux.
The problem with ChromeOS (and Android) devices is that hardware support is usually only available in a fork of Linux which gets as little maintenance as possible for the five years. You end up with the choice of running and old kernel that supports the hardware but not some new software, a new kernel that supports new software but the hardware doesn’t work right, or taking over maintenance of the fork yourself. The same problem occurs with uncommon hardware on non-ChromeOS devices.
Make it cost less that $2K and enable the use of a standard OS and I’d give it a go. Would also be great if the glasses could somehow not be wired, but trying to power them for any length of time would be a pain.
“Instead it has two USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C ports that you can use to connect peripherals including AR glasses that come with the device”
OOOR… wacky idea… release the glasses for use on any device with the proper ports…
That too, I haven’t delved into the whole AR space a lot but would plenty well like the option to connect something lightweight and have a virtual giant screen.
The other question I’d have for something like that is the contrast levels. If it ends up as a ‘ghost’ overlay it could make doing things with a lot of text/terminals a big strain to look at.
Yeah I’d absolutely consider replacing or augmenting my display with something like these glasses, but asking people to pay more, downgrade specs, replace their whole system, all while picking up an unfamiliar OS… I’ll wait for the gen 2. Or 4.
Yeah. People already sell laptops; this is basically a super expensive laptop with a fancy screen and a janky custom OS. But having this as an app for your phone, that let you pop other apps up into the heads-up virtual display or have "full screen" access to certain functionality while still supporting all your regular stuff, would be pretty different. So it can make your phone "laptop like" any time you wanted to pop the glasses on, or pop little notifications into the corner of your vision, maybe with a couple of little buttons on the glasses for "expand notification" "clear notification" "clear all" "up" "down" "minimize" "maximize", something like that, would be super neat. And then any time you want to break out the keyboard you can use it like a computer.
(I know the permissions and app compatibility and battery life etc would make that not necessarily trivial to do)
As stupid as the apple glasses are, the gesture function sure seems like it would work well with something like this.
Not the same company but Andrew Ethan Zeng on Youtube tested the XREAL Air AR Glasses. He was able to connect the glasses directly to his phone and his Macbook. Note, they did sponsor the video and reviews aren’t exactly great. His video is really informative though.
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There is xreal, nreal, rokid… Plenty of manufacturers to pick with, and you can spare money for a regular laptop.
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That. Is the goofiest system I have ever seen
I’m out.
Linux is… right there. It’s right there.
Chromium OS is based on Linux.
But yeah, if I can’t apt-get the packages I need, fuck it
fsck it*
You can do that with chrome os. Chrome os has a really good Linux subsystem built in nowadays.
And what about Chromium OS?
Didn’t actually now there was a chromium version to be honest but i imagine it’s very similar to standard Chrome but with less Google
It’s literally in the article and the top-level comment.
It’s not clear which features are in the OSS version and which are locked-down.
I mean I also completely overlooked that you wrote “Chromium” in your comment too, with my brain just translating that to just “chrome” it seems.
its not based on linux it uses the linux kernel, but hasnt got the gnu userland things a “standard” linux distro has
So it’s Linux, but not GNU/Linux.
or, as i like to call it, gnu plus linux
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Apps on Linux don’t need to be open source, you know?
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I assume these folks implemented their own AR stack, so the Linux world would indeed to win much with them being here, other than convincing people to use Linux in general.
I’ve been using Sunshine for Linux with Moonlight on my AVP and that works great. The native Moonlight port for AVP is still very much a buggy, crashy WIP, but the iPad version is a decent enough standby.
Honestly, using virtual Mac Display on AVP is so, so, so good, that I want that functionality everywhere… from any and all of my devices. Sunshine + Moonlight is currently the most promising path forward, IMO.
Not sure what you’re asking for here. AR/VR is just a display technology. Steam VR obviously runs fine on Linux.
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Again, it’s just a display. It’s like asking for computer monitors that work with Linux. Neither the OS or any software runs on it.
ChromiumOS is Linux.
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This seems really neat, and I hope it doesn’t just die somewhere, certainly a cool idea, but 1080p is not nearly enough pixels to stop you from getting a headache after a short while.
It will definitely be a brick soon enough but I hope it’s at least hackable enough that people do something with it afterwards.
Yes, disappointing, but this might not be for the full fov.
It says 50°, and such glasses can be worn on different lengths from the eyes.
Regardless, I agree with you - I absolutely want to see (a lot) more than 1080p of like financial data/code/hentai without moving my head, otherwise I’ll just keep using my office monitors.
I can’t tell if this is a good idea or a bad idea. Probably a bad idea at that price point with those specs, but this seems like a much more usable and useful form factor than a fully head mounted system when you factor in the weight of the thing on your head and the input method. Like, I might actually be able to do work on this thing unlike an apple vision pro.
It’s a bad idea because you can get a regular laptop and AR glasses just as light as those. Check nreal, rokid…
This way you can use the laptop as a regular laptop and the glasses with other devices.
… so they actually managed production/made it feasible … aaand then decided on ChromiumOS (supposedly because the “monitor” is a bit different)?
Such glasses is what I need from (non-gaming) VR. But not like this :(
You can buy the xreal glass separately for $449: us.shop.xreal.com/products/xreal-air-2-pro
There are actually like 10 exact same glasses from different manufacturers/brands, from 250-ish moneys upwards (you might need various addition interfaces for your devices, like PC, HDMI, etc - sold separately and unreasonably expensive for what they are).
They all use the same design, Sony OLEDs, speakers, batteries, accessories, etc, they only differ in front design.
I wish we had better open source options. I don’t want to download Chrome to update firmware on stuff.
Wow!
Good!
Unless the bootloader is unlocked and it’s possible to write an open driver for the glasses, Bye.
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? No. Make it Linux. Android is not a desktop operating system.
There are people reverse engineering the glasses right now (I have a pair):
github.com/wheaney/XRLinuxDriver
One of my longshot projects is to convert my framework laptop main board to exactly this. I basically use the glasses a lot more than the screen at this point (it’s more convenient at night before bed)
If I had $2k and wanted to like like an idiot, I’d put on some giant granny sunglasses and keep the $2k in my savings account.
Who would see you use it anyway sitting in your basement all day?
Cool, if it works well
Getting Cicret Bracelet vibes from this one.