New AI System Uses Wi-Fi to See and Track People Through Walls - The Researchers (www.theresearchers.us)
from lunatique@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 05:03
https://lemmy.ml/post/37604796

I saw reports of this 2 years ago now it’s even worst. This needs to be banned

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cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de on 16 Oct 05:42 next collapse

I guess it’s time to paint the walls with RF shielding paint.

Prove_your_argument@piefed.social on 16 Oct 13:38 next collapse

“Why doesn’t my cell phone work at your house?”

cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de on 16 Oct 19:12 next collapse

There’s no service at my house anyways. You have to walk up the driveway to maybe get one bar if it’s not raining.

ms_lane@lemmy.world on 17 Oct 15:02 collapse

Insulation, to stop the heat/cold, obviously

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 Oct 17:33 collapse

Doesn’t matter if they can just send the info through to fiber. Everything sucks monumentally more every day.

rbn@sopuli.xyz on 16 Oct 06:15 next collapse

Three Wi-Fi routers are placed in a room.

I’d be interested to know how well this works if there aren’t 3 (!) hotspots in 1 (!) room. If that is a hard requirement for it to work accurately, I don’t see many applications for this technology. At least not in its current version.

AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world on 16 Oct 08:53 next collapse

I agree although presumably when you add more devices and types of signal you can build a much richer picture without 3 access points.

For example, in my living room I have a cordless landline, Bluetooth soundbar speaker, WiFi access point, a fixed media box that uses WiFi. Presumably you could build a picture from the interference patterns of these different types of device, which are all on similar frequencies (2.4GHz ish).

WalnutLum@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 09:25 collapse

Research from a few years ago was able to measure gait (so a person’s height and build etc) from the wifi shadow of a single router.

I assume 3 is to get the super accurate placement.

ms_lane@lemmy.world on 17 Oct 15:01 collapse

Three compromised wifi devices.

Three APs in Lab conditions is the start.

tofubl@discuss.tchncs.de on 16 Oct 06:29 next collapse

Tinfoil hat fixes this!

DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org on 16 Oct 07:04 next collapse

Oh shit, AI’s using wall hacks in real life now! Whatever will we do?!

  • Jokes aside though, this is bad, catastrophically bad. Shit like this takes ‘violating your Fourth Amendment rights’ to a whole new, and more dangerous level.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works on 16 Oct 09:47 collapse

I don’t have any rights from a “Fourth amendment”

Manjushri@piefed.social on 16 Oct 11:43 collapse

That’s okay. I’m not sure anyone actually has any 4th Amendment rights anymore.

VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 07:47 next collapse

Biometric pictures? A problem? How about a biometric wlan-snap?

porksnort@slrpnk.net on 16 Oct 11:26 next collapse

Here’s the original publication for those wanting more implementation details.

The original publication

azimir@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 12:04 next collapse

This kind of tech has been floating around the research world of smart home tech for over a decade now. Various forms of EM deflection and field deviation modeling have been used to be headcount sensors, gesture sensors, and body position modeling. Yup, it’s out there. Normally, it takes multiple antennas in particular positions to work, so it’s still a more controlled space kind of thing than the whole world. That said, it’s possible to do, so head’s up, we’re in for a rough ride going forward on the privacy and monitoring fronts.

ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world on 16 Oct 12:21 next collapse

It’s a good time to invest in room-sized faraday cages.

ms_lane@lemmy.world on 17 Oct 15:04 collapse

Just wrap your house in 3 layers of sarking instead of one.

anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 16:14 next collapse

Didn’t thermal goggles already do this? Seems to have an extraordinarily limited use case unless you live in a really big building with lots of routers.

lunatique@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 18:01 collapse

Thermal goggles can’t see through walls

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 Oct 17:43 next collapse

If we ban it, the gov will use it anyway. I can’t believe people are still bringing kids in to this world. We are all severely fucked. Can you imagine how bad everyone’s anxiety will be with this shit everywhere? Maybe everyone will just ignore it like they do every time they use google or Facebook.

lunatique@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 17:56 next collapse

The ban needs to be enforced of course and these evil governments and corporations that do this type of stuff need to be replaced and displaced.

Bringing children into the world has nothing to with this because that is a desire or circumstance that supersedes this technology or any illicit action that a government can do.

eldavi@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 18:53 collapse

Maybe everyone will just ignore it like they do every time they use google or Facebook.

this is already what’s happening and why things like a genocide are sad yet “not important enough” to voters.

girlthing@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 Oct 19:20 collapse

Given that surveillance / phone cameras are ubiquitous, and it’s been possible to track people through cell tower triangulation / monitored WiFi hotspots for ages, does this really make things much worse than they already are?

lunatique@lemmy.ml on 16 Oct 19:42 collapse

Yes. It can see through your damn walls. Even if your phone is in the dresser