YouTube's ‘War’ on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet (www.404media.co)
from JRepin@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.ml on 01 Nov 2023 18:08
https://lemmy.ml/post/7350728

Google’s anti-ad scripts are breaking browsers and privacy plugins. It could get worse because Google controls the ad market, Chrome, and the extension store.

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CaptObvious@literature.cafe on 01 Nov 2023 18:13 next collapse

So far a Firefox workaround seems to be copying the URL into a fresh private browser window.

It may not be enough to matter, but a not-insignificant number of users will simply abandon YouTube if this keeps up.

badelf@lemmy.ml on 01 Nov 2023 18:21 next collapse

Allready done. 😃 Some puts a YouTube link, I just scroll past. Can’t be that important if it’s on boobtube

Venicon@sopuli.xyz on 01 Nov 2023 18:54 next collapse

Is…is boobtube a thing?

It sounds like it should be a thing

bobs_monkey@lemm.ee on 01 Nov 2023 19:18 collapse

Modern day adaptation of a much older term.

Note: don’t look up boobtube at work lol

Venicon@sopuli.xyz on 01 Nov 2023 22:41 collapse

Well well well, today I learned!

CaptObvious@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 23:54 collapse

ROFL! I haven’t heard boobtube since the 70s! 😂

badelf@lemmy.ml on 03 Nov 2023 02:42 collapse

Trust me. I’m that old. 🤣

netchami@sh.itjust.works on 01 Nov 2023 18:51 next collapse

You can just purge the cache in uBlock Origin and update the filterlists, that will fix the issue too.

TCB13@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 20:03 collapse

Having Ublock Origin doesn’t guarantee success, read this: lemmy.world/comment/4933251

TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee on 01 Nov 2023 23:28 next collapse

I’ve had no issues

Gestrid@lemmy.ca on 03 Nov 2023 00:19 collapse

You’re linking to one instance where it partially fixed the issue amidst a sea of people saying updating filters did work for them (or saying that they didn’t have to do anything at all).

MiddledAgedGuy@beehaw.org on 02 Nov 2023 02:39 collapse

a not-insignificant number of users will simply abandon YouTube if this keeps up.

I regetfully disagree. I think very few people will leave the platform and that the additional revenue generated from those that use adblockers but allow YouTube ads will easily cover the difference of those that do.

I don’t say this to discourage boycotting. Fuck google, do it if you want to!

LadyLikesSpiders@lemmy.ml on 01 Nov 2023 18:16 next collapse

Still having 0 problems on Firefox with just Ublock Origin and adguard. Hopefully it stays that way

TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip on 01 Nov 2023 18:46 next collapse

Same on OperaGX, zero issues with their Adblock+Ublock Origin.

netchami@sh.itjust.works on 01 Nov 2023 18:53 collapse

Opera GX 🤢🤮

Use a proper browser like Firefox or preferably LibreWolf with a proper adblocker like uBlock Origin. LibreWolf even comes with uBO preinstalled. It also makes many other significant privacy security improvements compared to normal Firefox.

TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip on 01 Nov 2023 19:34 collapse

Literally say I have uBO on so lol chill. It works fine so I see no need to swap. Been using opera since before it went chromium and it’s been fine so no real need to swap. Haven’t run into issues with being told to use chrome/edge I’ve seen people post on here, haven’t run into issues with having to update uBO or anything for it to work with YouTube so I’m fine. Plus workspaces and CPU/Internet limiters are nice.

netchami@sh.itjust.works on 01 Nov 2023 22:48 next collapse

I do actually see a need for you to switch, Opera is one of the shadiest browsers owned by some weird Chinese company. It collects all of your data and sends it right to China, I wouldn’t be comfortable using this, it’s far worse than Chrome or even Edge. They also run really weird ads and marketing campaigns, just use Firefox or LibreWolf, the latter has uBlock Origin preinstalled and it’s pre-configured for maximum privacy. I can only recommend it!

TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip on 02 Nov 2023 01:01 collapse

I mean I don’t really care if China has my data. Rather them than a US company. Not much china’s government can do about me (and not like I’m gonna be some high priority target for them so, whatever. If they wanted my data that bad they could just buy it from every American company anyways. )

Understandable though if you don’t want china having your data. I just have mostly given up on caring about it. Someone is gonna have my data anyways.

fluffery@lemmy.ml on 02 Nov 2023 20:28 next collapse

Its not the point of China having your data. Its the point of opera sells that data, and they have it in the first place

Kepabar@startrek.website on 03 Nov 2023 11:53 collapse

Not everyone cares so much about that.

Someone knowing things about me in general is not a big deal.

[deleted] on 03 Nov 2023 14:04 collapse

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Kepabar@startrek.website on 03 Nov 2023 21:39 collapse

alot of ppl on fedi are privacy-oriented and focused

I’m aware. I’m just reminding you that most outside the fediverse aren’t.

jamyang@lemmy.ml on 15 Nov 2023 05:21 collapse

Don’t fund their army with your data dude. Switch to some Firefox fork ASAP.

Dogeek@sh.itjust.works on 02 Nov 2023 07:32 collapse

The problem is that it is chromium based, hence giving Google more power in deciding internet standards (like their web environment integrity API proposed a few months ago)

Anamana@feddit.de on 01 Nov 2023 19:00 next collapse

Are you logged in? Cause if not you don’t get these popups.

PM_ME_YOUR_ZOD_RUNES@sh.itjust.works on 01 Nov 2023 20:17 next collapse

I haven’t logged out since they started this push and I don’t get them with just Firefox/uBlock. I was getting them for a bit and they even blocked me completely at one point. But I just cleared my uBlock cache and updated and it’s been working fine.

LadyLikesSpiders@lemmy.ml on 01 Nov 2023 23:11 next collapse

Yes I am. I even got the pop-ups for a couple days a week ago, but I just closed the pop ups and resumed the videos with no ads

vinyl@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 02:14 collapse

I got those popups while not even being logged in at some points, but just purging the cache on uBlock filters seems to work.

money_loo@1337lemmy.com on 01 Nov 2023 19:35 next collapse

Also having zero problems here paying for it.

Synthead@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 19:57 next collapse

Paying isn’t a bad idea if you want to do that.

Google creeping on your privacy and your right to view HTML the way you choose to is gross and violating.

These two ideologies don’t have much overlap, and definitely can coexist separately.

Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca on 02 Nov 2023 01:25 collapse

Quit lying, we know You’re broke and trolling.

money_loo@1337lemmy.com on 02 Nov 2023 20:07 collapse

Y’all have a strangely strong emotional reaction to me just informing you that paying for the product works well as well.

Sometimes you pay for a product and it’s not what you expected or it sucks.

Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca on 02 Nov 2023 23:25 collapse

Your favorite art period? Baroque

TCB13@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 20:01 collapse

Having Ublock Origin doesn’t guarantee success, read this: lemmy.world/comment/4933251

JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee on 01 Nov 2023 18:35 next collapse

Piped.video (on Firefox) works fine for me

TCB13@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 20:03 next collapse

Yeah it works file for 720/1080p and no captions.

Flying_Hellfish@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 20:45 collapse

Piped is so slow for me, I’m not sure if it’s a me issue or a host issue. I finally spun up viewtube to test it out since running my own piped instance seemed cumbersome.

Gestrid@lemmy.ca on 03 Nov 2023 00:21 collapse

Same here. I tried loading the same 13-second video on Piped and YouTube. YouTube played it instantly. Piped took several seconds (probably longer than the video lasted) to start playing.

miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml on 03 Nov 2023 16:34 collapse

To be fair, Piped serves as a proxy, you’re not getting the content served directly from YouTubes’ servers

small44@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 18:46 next collapse

It made me switch to Freetube

[deleted] on 01 Nov 2023 20:20 next collapse

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somedaysoon@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 20:22 next collapse

No problems on desktop with Firefox and uBlock Origins and no problem on my TVs with SmartTubeNext and no problems on mobile with Revanced so far. I have yet to encounter any ad blocking messaging or ads themselves.

gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Nov 2023 20:27 next collapse

I’ll add that ReVanced and FireFox + UBlock are working fine for me still, still need to install STN tho

I even recently dropped my Premium sub (when they ditched Pixel Pass) so I was kinda expecting retaliation for bailing on em but nothing so far

[deleted] on 02 Nov 2023 14:48 collapse

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dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works on 02 Nov 2023 00:11 collapse

Is revanced annoying to build? I’ve been putting it off for that reason since AFAIK there is no manager for it

vinyl@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 02:17 next collapse

There’s a better one than revanced, it’s called grayjay

thejevans@lemmy.ml on 02 Nov 2023 04:55 next collapse

I don’t understand why people are calling grayjay a “better revanced” they have pretty different feature sets and solve different problems.

vinyl@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 14:02 collapse

The only different thing about grayjay is the polycentric account instead of having your YouTube account other than that all the features are the same or even better. What is there not to understand.

thejevans@lemmy.ml on 02 Nov 2023 16:54 collapse

Grayjay does not have sponsorblock. Grayjay does not sync my subscriptions across my other devices. Grayjay will not have YouTube features as they roll out. Etc.

Grayjay is basically newpipe (youtube scraper) + casting + centralized, unmoderated comments + other services.

YouTube Revanced is a patched, debloated version of YouTube itself.

Grayjay does a lot of cool stuff, but they are different tools for different problems. Youtube Revanced allows users to have a better Youtube experience on their phone without losing any functionality. Grayjay is asking users to change a lot about how they watch Youtube.

vinyl@lemmy.world on 03 Nov 2023 00:52 collapse

Nvm on building revanced! There is Revanced Manager, a couple clicks now to download and install, no need to use grayjay now.

somedaysoon@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 14:45 collapse

It isn’t better right now… there is a subscription rate limit and a few other issues. Revanced is far more polished and reliable right now. Grayjay might mature into a better app in the future, but it is far from better right now. I’m subscribed to Rossman, so I tried it when he announced it on the channel… gave it a fair shake, but then uninstalled it. I’ll check in on it every few months, but for YouTube specifically Revanced > grayjay.

Fullest@sh.itjust.works on 02 Nov 2023 02:18 next collapse

github dot com/ReVanced/revanced-manager

dracul104@lemmy.sdf.org on 03 Nov 2023 11:22 collapse

It’s easy enough. You’ll need to grab an apk for YouTube so ReVanced Manager can modify and install it. That’s about it.

1984@lemmy.today on 01 Nov 2023 20:43 next collapse

FreeTube works fantastic on desktop. No ads and instant playback and high quality. Amazing app.

cavemeat@beehaw.org on 02 Nov 2023 14:56 collapse

I second this, I use freetube and I love it

walkercricket@sh.itjust.works on 01 Nov 2023 21:38 next collapse

Honestly, I think it’s great: if it annoys people enough, they will move out from Chrome and install Firefox (or one of its forks) with good extensions for blocking ads on YouTube. It seems to be the only solution to break the monopoly of Google on browsers. So go Google, I believe in you!

drcabbage@lemmy.ml on 02 Nov 2023 00:20 next collapse

Nah, most people are dumb, they will just continue to complain and assume there is nothing they can do.

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 02 Nov 2023 02:40 collapse

Yeah but even dumb people when annoyed enough will listen to alternatives. Specially when this one is so damn easy. It’s not like editing config files or changing partitions, it’s just using another damn browser.

drcabbage@lemmy.ml on 03 Nov 2023 01:33 next collapse

Youre giving them too much credit. Most will just accept fate and deal with the ads.

drcabbage@lemmy.ml on 03 Nov 2023 01:35 collapse

Actually nevermind you’re right. Dumb people never had an ad blocker on in the first place :D

Cringe2793@lemmy.world on 03 Nov 2023 13:56 collapse

Also there are people who continued to use IE before it got changed to Edge.

ElNuevo@lemmy.lemist.de on 02 Nov 2023 10:00 collapse

The key is “annoyed enough”. I personally know many people who have never used adblockers and don’t see why they’re necessary.

chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Nov 2023 04:17 next collapse

It keeps breaking on FF too tho

sic_1@feddit.de on 02 Nov 2023 04:34 collapse

Nope it doesn’t. Mine works without any modifications but I heard that it happens occasionally. There are some easy steps to set up FF to work again, should be easy to look up.

chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Nov 2023 04:38 collapse

I went through the instructions with the removing other extensions and resetting things and pasting filters etc. multiple times but it kept breaking, ended up switching to FreeTube. Maybe they’ve got it by now but I’m going to wait until it all shakes out more, too much hassle.

Plus if you read the article, you can’t tell how it works overall just because it works for you, because YouTube is treating different groups of users differently here.

Player2@sopuli.xyz on 02 Nov 2023 17:37 collapse

I had it pop up a couple times in Firefox, but it went away when I enabled the Annoyances filter in ublock settings. The videos just work now, no problem

Feyter@programming.dev on 02 Nov 2023 07:38 collapse

And maybe more creators start using PeerTube as well…

Blizzard@lemmy.zip on 01 Nov 2023 22:33 next collapse

No pop-ups on NewPipe x Sponsorblock.

themusicman@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 23:10 next collapse

ublock origin works

theshatterstone54@feddit.uk on 01 Nov 2023 23:38 next collapse

My only issue with it is that it’s slightly outdated, so I run BraveNewPipe: github.com/bravenewpipe/NewPipe/…/v0.25.2-2.1.4

(It implements the same features while also adding support for some extra platforms)

N00b22@lemmy.ml on 02 Nov 2023 04:58 collapse

NewPipe is a third party app, hence you don’t get any popups. Doesn’t mean YT can’t do anything to stop you tho

miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml on 03 Nov 2023 16:32 collapse

Could they really do anything though? Newpipe directly scrapes the content, after all

JWBananas@startrek.website on 02 Nov 2023 06:04 next collapse

The irony of this post being behind a paywall

rgb3x3@beehaw.org on 03 Nov 2023 15:00 collapse

This is a dumb take. Being behind a paywall means it’s not controlled by Google and its ad network.

Are these webpages and people just supposed to work for free?

JWBananas@startrek.website on 03 Nov 2023 15:20 next collapse

Is hosting YouTube infrastructure free?

rgb3x3@beehaw.org on 04 Nov 2023 23:00 collapse

I pay for YouTube and I think people need to stop complaining so much about ads if they’re not willing to support the infrastructure or the creators they likely watch hours and hours of content from.

I also think Google is charging too much and should decouple music from videos, but that’s another subject.

JWBananas@startrek.website on 05 Nov 2023 01:35 collapse

I also pay for YouTube. I just don’t normally bring it up because it usually results in a lot of rather unpleasant replies.

It’s fascinating, really.

Google gets a lot of hate for being a data collection behemoth. The whole “if you aren’t paying, you are the product” thing. And rightfully so.

And pirates love to say that if companies would just charge a reasonable rate for an easy-to-use service, then they would just pay instead of pirating.

But when it comes to YouTube, a lot of people seem to want to have it both ways.

itmightbethew@beehaw.org on 03 Nov 2023 15:52 collapse

404 media in particular do great work. They’re all defectors from Motherboard (vice) and I think supporting them is both worthwhile and worth it.

DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.ml on 02 Nov 2023 15:03 next collapse

Use noscript it’s the best. You will have to learn what’s useful while being real and what’s fake but that’s the best part. It disables YouTube’s scripts for advertising.

Gestrid@lemmy.ca on 03 Nov 2023 00:09 collapse

Or just use uBlock Origin? It blocks YouTube’s ads (and their adblocker-blockers) right out of the gate. It’s also available on Firefox for Android.

moody@lemmings.world on 03 Nov 2023 01:22 next collapse

For the moment, Youtube is managing to push ads onto me despite uBO.

Gestrid@lemmy.ca on 03 Nov 2023 02:49 collapse

Have you followed the instructions in the devs’ Reddit thread? (At the bottom of the thread, they also have a section of instructions for people who’ve already gone through the process of purging their filters before.)

Also, make sure nothing else (ex. another adblocker, including your browser’s built-in adblocker) is causing issues.

DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.ml on 03 Nov 2023 02:55 collapse

This is better than Adblock.

dracul104@lemmy.sdf.org on 03 Nov 2023 11:10 collapse

It’s too much of a pain to use for me personally. I really don’t want to spend time figuring out which scripts to enable every time I visit a new site. Adblock I can just turn on and forget with minimum effort.

vaionko@sopuli.xyz on 03 Nov 2023 14:27 next collapse

I have never had to touch anything on uBlock origin. Well, before this youtube stuff when I sometimes have to manually update a block list when YT gets a new adblocker blocker

ulu_mulu@lemm.ee on 03 Nov 2023 15:51 next collapse

I never had to touch anything in uBlock Origin, not even once, I just have to remember to check for updates every now and then. I see some people saying sometimes they still get ads on youtube, not sure if it’s youtube testing new targeting, but I’ve never seen ads on YT anyway, I guess I’m not interesting enough to them XD

dracul104@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Nov 2023 14:08 collapse

I already use uBlock Origin. I haven’t had any issues with it. I was replying to the person who said NoScript was better.

Trihilis@feddit.nl on 03 Nov 2023 15:34 collapse

Download Firefox. Look up “ublock origin firefox” in search engine of choice. Click install. Done!

It’s that easy…

dracul104@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Nov 2023 14:09 collapse

I was replying to the comment saying that NoScript was better…I already use uBlock.

Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net on 04 Nov 2023 14:18 collapse

@JRepin, best combination is uBO + this one
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/477725-youtube-iframe-adblocker