The Internet Is About to Get a Lot Worse (US focused) (
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Charlie Jane Anders discusses KOSA (the Kids Online Safety Act).

If you’re in the US, makes it easy to contact your Senators and ask them to oppose KOSA.

“A new bill called the Kids Online Safety Act, or KOSA, is sailing towards passage in the Senate with bipartisa>n support. Among other things, this bill would give the attorney general of every state, including red states, the right to sue Internet platforms if they allow any content that is deemed harmful to minors. This clause is so vaguely defined that attorneys general can absolutely claim that queer content violates it — and they don’t even need to win these lawsuits in order to prevail. They might not even need to file a lawsuit, in fact. The mere threat of an expensive, grueling legal battle will be enough to make almost every Internet platform begin to scrub anything related to queer people.

The right wing Heritage Foundation has already stated publicly that the GOP will use this provision to remove any discussions of trans or queer lives from the Internet. They’re salivating over the prospect.

And yep, I did say this bill has bipartisan support. Many Democrats have already signed on as co-sponsors. And President Joe Biden has urged lawmakers to pass this bill in the strongest possible terms.”


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More of them “freedoms” that you yanks are always going on about? on 24 Aug 2023 02:31 next collapse

No, no, it’s “free dumbs”. As in, they were giving away stupidity for free, so we each took as much as we could carry. on 24 Aug 2023 04:01 next collapse

Experiencing a protracted regression of sanity, similar to Brexit. on 24 Aug 2023 16:26 collapse

lmao gottem on 24 Aug 2023 15:45 collapse

Pretty much. Just don’t post how much oil your home country has. on 24 Aug 2023 17:09 collapse

Hey now, American kids love oil and it’s good for them. They should rewrite the bill to remove all content that isn’t about oil. Not avocado oil or malarkey like that though. That stuff is bad news, unlike petroleum oil. They may call it crude but we gotta make sure the kids know crude means good. The more crude the healthier the babies, that’s what I always say. on 24 Aug 2023 01:59 next collapse

How do I check if my senator has signed? Or is that not public information on 24 Aug 2023 02:10 next collapse

It’s gotta be public info.

Right? on 24 Aug 2023 04:06 collapse

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here’s the list of cosponsors … if they’re there, then they’re certainly supporting it. It’s worth contacting them in any case; they’ll often send you a form reply saying their position on the bill. on 24 Aug 2023 02:13 next collapse

They are, damn on 24 Aug 2023 02:28 collapse

That’s disappointing … but, enough pressure can get them to change their position (or, almost as good, ask Schumer not to bring the bill to the floor so that they don’t have to take a politically costly vote). In the Senate Commerce Committee hearing, both Cantwell and Markey voted yes but said they had gotten a lot of calls and email from constituents who were concerned about the impact on LGBTQ+ teens so there was work to do before bringing the bill to the floor … so the pressure is definitely getting noticed! on 24 Aug 2023 16:23 collapse

One of my senators in on this list. His replies when a constituent disagrees with him are always a dismissal. The other senator who isn’t on there is Ted Cruz… on 24 Aug 2023 02:53 next collapse

Somehow neither of my senators customers cosponsored, but I’m guessing they’ll both sign. We passed someone similar in my state recently, so I’m not expecting much.

I’ll contact them though. I guess it can’t hurt.

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Because she’s not a senator, she’s a representative. on 24 Aug 2023 07:02 collapse

It’s just a list of Senators, I don’t think there’s an equivalent bill yet in the House. on 24 Aug 2023 15:42 next collapse

Damn had to call both my senators. I always hate calling because I have no doubt that it wont do anything. on 24 Aug 2023 19:31 collapse

Thanks for making the effort! On bills like this, enough pressure can make a difference – we stopped KOSA from passing last year, and have a good chance this year as well. on 24 Aug 2023 19:45 collapse

God in a campaign defined by hilarious self inflicted pratt falls I can’t believe they slapped Tim Karnes dumbass into Hillary vp slot.

And then tried to whitewash him as “your boring uncle (please don’t look into any of his actual policy positions)”

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I don't know if I'm in the right here but I'm practically at the point where I'm just like fuck it, let them ruin the internet.

I want to hear them scream when because of their own actions they have tanked the companies that their retirements are depending on.

Let's see how fast they can fix shit when they have 35 million angry retirees that hold 78% of the wealth in the country mad at them and telling them to fix it.

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They’ll be in office until they’re dead or dying

Only if they die of old age. If they are found dead before then, the wait could be much, much shorter. After all, aren’t the conservatives (like Matt “child-fucker” Gaetz) openly calling for wide-spread violence now? on 25 Aug 2023 03:32 collapse

I wish the “Dark Web” hadn’t turned into shit show, Just looking into it now gets you onto some fuckin watch list but it would have been a perfectly viable place to set up a proper censorship-free web. It also takes care of the user-quality issue by being slightly harder to use than a button that says “INSTALL APP NOW!” on 25 Aug 2023 04:19 collapse

It's gotten so the "dark web" is any website that doesn't show up on page 1 of a Google search result.

It's all bullshit and they'll keep shoveling it as long as they have arms to shovel with on 24 Aug 2023 02:02 next collapse

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Ah yes, children security. Of course. on 24 Aug 2023 03:56 collapse

We can’t have them looking at gay shit, they might get bullied and have to stay home and not get shot.

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Screw both parties and Joe Biden in particular. I’ll be asking my senators to oppose this, though I highly doubt it’ll matter. on 24 Aug 2023 10:14 collapse

Biden’s going to veto it for sure, lol. on 24 Aug 2023 12:34 collapse

Then why is he urging lawmakers to pass it? Just do he can veto it? That doesn’t make any sense. on 24 Aug 2023 13:18 collapse

Maybe I’m being more optimistic about how much the average voter pays attention than I should be, but if the Senate passes it and he’s braindead enough to sign it after how the Heritage Foundation bragged they’ll use it he deserves the 2024 apathy that puts a felon in his chair. on 24 Aug 2023 13:24 collapse

Biden seems to actually like the bill. Here’s a quote from the source in the article:

Later this week, senators will debate legislation to protect kids’ privacy online, which I’ve been calling for for two years. It matters. Pass it, pass it, pass it, pass it, pass it.

I really mean it. Think about it. Do you ever get a chance to look at what your kids are looking at online?

He’s been actively campaigning for it for two years.

I don’t regret voting for him because he did the two things I wanted:

  1. Not be Trump - he’s still an embarrassment, but it’s because he’s old, not because he’s toxic
  2. Get us out of Afghanistan

I’ve disliked most of the rest of what he did, but he accomplished my two top priorities. I will probably go back to voting independent/third party this election unless Trump gets the nomination, in which case I might vote for Biden again because of priority #1. I live in a red state, so it probably doesn’t matter regardless, but I think it would be funny if the GOP candidate lost here. on 24 Aug 2023 13:39 next collapse

I live in Tennessee so that’s, uh, not ever going to happen again unless the entire Republican party gets caught assassinating Trump, in drag, while holding Korans and admitting climate change is real. on 24 Aug 2023 18:24 collapse

Lol, that’s probably not far from the truth unfortunately. My state is pretty similar. Despite a ton of people absolutely hating Trump (Trump did very poorly here in 2016 primaries), the election still wasn’t close at all both elections.

I’m not a fan of Biden, but since my vote for President doesn’t really matter anyway, I use it to send a message. Usually that’s to whatever the biggest third party is at the time, but last election is was to the Democratic party. on 24 Aug 2023 17:50 collapse

Biden has always been anti-freedom. He wrote a bill while in congress that he later claimed the Patriot Act was ripped off from, basically doing a lot of similar stuff to shit on Americans’ freedom like the Patriot Act did but it was not passed. I was worried about him being VP while Obama was in office due to his bad record. He’s one of the crappiest options America had in 2020, but still is better than Trump obviously. on 24 Aug 2023 19:47 collapse

I 100% agree. In my list of preferred Democratic candidates in 2020, Biden was second only to Kamala Harris in terms of worst candidate (to me). Basically, I would’ve preferred literally anyone else to the pair we got.

Yet I still voted for him over Trump because Trump was just that bad. It was my first time voting Democrat for President ever, and it was the hardest Presidential vote I’ve ever cast. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 because I thought that Trump surely wouldn’t have a realistic shot, yet the stars aligned and we elected a lunatic.

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I’m shocked that the first openly gay senator Tammy Baldwin is a co-sponsor for the bill. You bet I’m writing her. on 25 Aug 2023 23:24 collapse

Not really surprising to me. Gay (and now trans) people have long been accused of grooming and/or queerifying children

The first openly gay senator is probably hyper-aware of this, and I’d guess is probably very hawkish on anything protecting children

The other aspect is congressmen don’t understand shit outside (sometimes) politics or the law. On its surface, this has a very compelling description - hold websites responsible if they let children access NSFW content.

It’s not until you ask how (interpreted by the community as providing identifiable information to “prove” your age) that the first flaw comes up - this provides a way to collect data on online use, as social media is considered potentially NSFW by the nature of user submission

Then you get to the things most people without a technical background wouldn’t see

The second flaw - companies are terrible at securing data. Get ready for every scammer under the sun to be able to find your ID numbers.

The third, this won’t work. As a young teen, I blazed past parental controls, because there’s a ton of porn out there and there’s no way to hold back someone determined to find it. If you want this to work, we need to make a child Internet of known safe content and parental controls to keep you there… But just like finding or stealing a Playboy, the fact it exists means kids are going to be stealing passwords or IDs and probably sharing them. If we instead had sites declare content ratings and locked down at the device level, they need to go through a lot of work or get a secret device - it would give parents powerful tools to actually enforce this through Apple, Google, or Microsoft accounts

And finally, this won’t work because it’s inconvenient. Make password requirements too strict, and users write them down. Make content moderation too strict, and people will find shortcuts. People will find ways around this that will likely both end up in the hands of children, but also probably make everyone less safe on 24 Aug 2023 03:36 next collapse

Ah yes… forever and again, the siren song of children being used as an excuse for draconian, rights eroding legislation… its amazing how much responsibility parents have shirked to the state as they replace babysitters with cellphones and tablets. on 24 Aug 2023 15:44 next collapse

It isn’t so much parents shirking responsibility as folks in power doing what they want and just saying parents demanded it. When actual parents want something there’s a lot more hue and cry, hearings, and suchlike. When there isn’t, dig a bit and you find convenient lies and excuses. on 24 Aug 2023 19:05 collapse

<img alt="grillman" src="">: “You REALLY want little Billy to read a tweet that makes him think he’s not perfect because he’s white!? YOU MONSTER! Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to relentlessly stalk and then bully this freak I found on KiwiFarms for the crime of not being a good normal like me!” on 24 Aug 2023 03:50 next collapse

Make sure you vote!!! on 24 Aug 2023 05:32 next collapse

For fucking what? This is bipartisan! on 24 Aug 2023 06:12 next collapse

don’t worry, they’re making fun of liberals who claim voting will cure all societal ills on 24 Aug 2023 19:29 next collapse

If someone without a website in their name and who has pronouns displayed says some weird shit 95/100 times it’s ironic on 25 Aug 2023 09:04 collapse

our usernames have in them from other sites lol. on 25 Aug 2023 16:41 collapse

Damn on 25 Aug 2023 14:27 collapse

PSL, for example. on 31 Aug 2023 09:47 collapse

I keep voting and things keep getting worse anyway. on 31 Aug 2023 17:32 collapse

You’re not voting hard enough on 24 Aug 2023 04:03 next collapse

“would give the attorney general of every state, including red states, the right to sue”

What a weird distinction to make. I know they’re getting squirrelly, but they still technically count in the “every state” column. on 25 Aug 2023 09:07 collapse

the distinction is because those red states have extensive efforts underway to go after queer people and this bill enables them to do so online. on 25 Aug 2023 12:45 collapse

There is no need for it though. It is a bipartisan bill and further down it is mentioned how the GOP would use it. The implication of red states being shitty is already there.

It’s just bad writing. on 24 Aug 2023 04:32 next collapse

Why would you oppose this? Don’t you want children to be safe online? Won’t anybody please think of the children? /s on 24 Aug 2023 11:36 collapse

“Why would you oppose this? What are you a pedo???” /sarcasm on 24 Aug 2023 05:55 next collapse

And then everybody slaps a “Only for 18+, fill in your birth day” on their site and nobody can legally claim it’s harming children. on 24 Aug 2023 06:13 next collapse

This is how it works on YouTube now, the rules for kids content are draconic and you risk your account, so everybody just says “this is not for kids” on all videos. on 24 Aug 2023 14:27 next collapse

YouTube music will not let you put a “for kids” marked song on a playlist! It kind of sucks for putting my KID’s favorite goofy songs on my KID’s playlist. The kid’s playlist that is composed entirely of content not marked “for kids” because that’s all that is possible. on 25 Aug 2023 17:25 collapse

Fun fact, press the three dots on the video and you still get the option to add it to a playlist! on 25 Aug 2023 21:28 collapse

This is the adult tour, it’s not FOR kids on 24 Aug 2023 07:33 next collapse

And suddenly everyone was born on Jan 1st, 2000 on 24 Aug 2023 08:28 collapse

I’m not doing maths to keep it at 18 each year.

I do 1900 lol on 24 Aug 2023 08:36 next collapse

You still live in 2018?

People born in 2000 are 23 on 24 Aug 2023 08:57 next collapse

I didn’t say I was going to do maths for you either ;) on 24 Aug 2023 12:12 collapse

It has more the implication that there are either an incredible amount of +120 year olds, or their system sucks. on 24 Aug 2023 11:06 next collapse

I’m well over 18 and I give the year field a good scroll down to be like 80y/o because it’s such a bother to click 3 sliders. F that. on 24 Aug 2023 13:52 collapse

Funny how websites actually accept that birthyear. on 24 Aug 2023 16:36 collapse

Was curious, so I looked it up. The oldest living people were born in 1907 currently. on 24 Aug 2023 14:34 next collapse

Which you will need to prove by sending your personal identification to a commercial third party provider. Who will eventually get hacked and your data will be leaked. on 24 Aug 2023 16:19 collapse

Meh, it is already out there anyway. Several times over. on 25 Aug 2023 09:02 collapse

this law requires positive proof with IDs. it’s also going to be used by red states to go after online queer communities. on 26 Aug 2023 08:00 collapse

I’m curious how that’s going to work in international context. Everything to do with the queer community suddenly has a link to .ca or .mx domain and server park outside the country where this doesn’t apply for example. Or reddit suddenly checks with the authorities in Zimbabwe if the ID is valid. on 26 Aug 2023 10:28 collapse

lol the US doesn’t care about international law on 26 Aug 2023 11:23 collapse

There were enough American companies having an office in Ireland to avoid taxes. And soon also to avoid red state litigation. on 26 Aug 2023 11:49 collapse

the US controls the international money supply. the loopholes employed by those companies are very easily closed as is the ability of companies headquartered outside the US to operate within its borders. companies will fall in line. and any support granted by other countries are easily neutered by shocking the money supply. on 24 Aug 2023 06:27 next collapse

Lol, kosa means scythe in slovenian. on 25 Aug 2023 14:28 collapse

In all Slavic languages, if I’m not mistaken. on 24 Aug 2023 11:35 next collapse

I don’t know how American voters can stand for this, how can you re-elect people who cause your children to get shot in schools and believe the same people have set out to protect them with things like these? on 24 Aug 2023 12:08 next collapse

Freedumb on 24 Aug 2023 12:10 next collapse

Propaganda from people who make a profit out of those opinions. on 24 Aug 2023 12:17 next collapse

Fuck /u/spez on 24 Aug 2023 12:37 next collapse

Because Americans are hateful racists who care more about taking away from you than helping their community. Own the libs! on 24 Aug 2023 14:09 next collapse

that’s just generalization, a racist’s most powerful tool. on 24 Aug 2023 16:33 next collapse

The majority demonstrably are not. We have a horribly broken electoral system that gives outsize power to the fascists. on 24 Aug 2023 22:31 collapse

You owned those hateful Americans so hard by being hateful and stereotyping them. on 24 Aug 2023 13:41 next collapse

A lot of them are really stupid hateful racists. They are figuratively and literally shooting themselves in the foot. on 24 Aug 2023 15:08 next collapse

Because the way voting works in the US is based on assumptions from the days when getting all the votes together to tally them would have been a logistical nightmare. Instead of counting everyone’s vote individually, the map is divided into regions. Each region tallies up their votes, and then one single vote is counted for that entire region based on the majority vote from that region. Those regional votes are tallied, and the majority winner of the regions gets the win. By drawing the regions correctly (a process called gerrymandering), you can put the majority of one party’s voters into a small handful of regions, so all of them only count as a handful of regional votes while making sure the rest of the regions are drawn to give the other party a 51%+ majority. As a result, it’s possible to have a candidate that would garner less than 50% of the individual votes win a landslide of over 75% of the regional votes. on 25 Aug 2023 00:23 next collapse

We don’t, enough of the US is gerrymandered as fuck and we use first past the post voting so most of us are voting to get a plurality for the guy other than the one we hate more, and that’s if your even interested in politics here. The whole system is fucked and corrupt.

Edit: oh yea and the electoral college fucks us too. on 25 Aug 2023 05:02 collapse

Yeah, quite a bad system of voting. I hope my country moves away from that. on 25 Aug 2023 23:59 next collapse

A third or so of the country believes the right wing propaganda machine that has been churning for decades.

For everyone else, we’re constantly offered a choice between a center-right neoliberal, or an outright fascist. We’re just voting for how fast the country falls. on 31 Aug 2023 09:46 collapse

Our votes don’t actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

by design on 24 Aug 2023 12:16 next collapse

I am not an American and I couldn’t care less about their laws or the people in power. Why is content here so focused on the US anyway? on 24 Aug 2023 12:25 next collapse

In this case, sites could make content unavailable to everyone to make sure Americans using VPNs don’t see it. on 24 Aug 2023 15:59 collapse

What about sites hosted there, or operated by Americans? on 24 Aug 2023 12:33 next collapse

Then post tech news from your country. on 24 Aug 2023 12:37 next collapse

If you don’t care then why are you asking? on 24 Aug 2023 15:42 next collapse

The US likes to throw its weight around. Today it’s websites inside the US the tighty righties are afraid of. Tomorrow it might be one of yours; just like the GDPR has caused a lot of USian websites to be even more annoying, USian legislation might do it to non-USian websites next. on 24 Aug 2023 15:58 collapse

Because you’ll be effected by this too. That’s the reason. The internet is full of platforms that are related to the USA in some way, and because of this all of them will have to heavily censor themselves or shut down.

I feel you. I don’t want to have to do anything with the USA. I don’t even want to go there at all. As far as it doesn’t hurt anyone outside I don’t care what they do. But here we are. on 24 Aug 2023 14:35 next collapse

American here, and I am totally OK with a tiny bit of extra latency if people & companies want to move their servers to some place in Europe that actually respects freedom and people.

Though I suspect that if you’re a US company with servers located abroad, they will still make the law apply to you since you control it. on 24 Aug 2023 19:02 next collapse

Also adding on to this, buy physical media. on 25 Aug 2023 04:14 next collapse

Buy 8 tb hard drives and fill them up. It’s cheaper than streaming even if you managed to fill one every year. on 25 Aug 2023 14:26 next collapse

Cloud storage is just someone else’s computer. on 26 Aug 2023 07:14 collapse

it's pretty horseshit that if you buy a digital copy of a movie, they can just revoke that licence whenever they want, under the guise of "well, we don't have the licence anymore". on 24 Aug 2023 19:46 collapse

if people & companies want to move their servers to some place in Europe that actually respects freedom and people.

implying the EU respects freedom

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I was going to say something about giving it to gypsies and you could probably literally see European fervor to ban something. Lol on 25 Aug 2023 04:47 next collapse

Clearly you don’t know “Europeans” and have never net a gypsy. on 25 Aug 2023 19:09 collapse

Censor slurs or use the actual name for Roma people on 25 Aug 2023 19:55 collapse

Relative to this new proposal from the US gov…um yeah. The EU is far more free online. No Patriot Act or NDAA either. on 24 Aug 2023 15:02 next collapse

Can a federal bill require state AGs to do something? Most of the bills I’ve heard of give resources to state actors if they agree to do something that the federal government requires. on 25 Aug 2023 09:05 collapse

this doesn’t require them to do anything, it just gives them new powers. on 24 Aug 2023 15:40 next collapse

I would appreciate governments, especially the American government, refraining from passing laws “for the children”. They never are. They never work. They are a scam that gives the appearance of being beneficial to all while only benefiting a few. They accomplish nothing the scam indicates it will and instead turns out to be another overreach of government power.

No more “for the children” nonsense from any government - it’s not about them and you know it.

You want to pass something for the good of the children? GET RID OF THE GODDAM GUNS. on 24 Aug 2023 17:44 next collapse

Funny how you did the same thing though, get rid of the guns “for the children” after your tirade about the government restricting freedom under that banner. It’s OK when you do it, but not them.

I see the both the same, bullshit appeal-to-emotion power grabs to reduce the freedom of the citizenry. The “get rid of guns” talk is bullshit because that is just not a possible thing to ever accomplish. on 24 Aug 2023 20:45 collapse

I was agreeing with them until the last part too, I sighed. This country just keeps getting shittier. on 25 Aug 2023 02:10 collapse

Shit, third spaces and public squares would also still be a lot more of a thing if anyone cared about the children. The situation with hostile architecture just makes things worse for everyone. People out there trying to invent ultrasonic devices meant to deter teenagers from hanging around and shit.

I ended up a terminally online washout in part because there was fuck all to do aside from sitting around the house and going to school when I was a kid. That was 20 years ago. I can’t imagine the situation is much better these days. on 24 Aug 2023 16:13 next collapse

Unfortunately I live in a backwards, ignorant red state represented by complete idiots. The last time I wrote to my representatives asking them to oppose something like this they wrote back saying “the agree fully” and then went on to explain that they would definitely support it and thanked me for backing them… Then went on to show a complete lack of understanding of the bill in question.

And I’ve been on his email list ever since despite clicking unsubscribe probably 30 times. The crusty sock puppet probably thinks that means “show me more” based on how he responded to my initial email. on 26 Aug 2023 04:49 collapse

If your unsubscribe isn’t working, report them to the FTC: If you take want to go the extra mile, report them to their email provider as well. You might be able to get their email shut down, and if their email provider is also their web host provider, maybe their website as well. Providers take CAN-SOAM violations seriously. on 24 Aug 2023 16:14 next collapse

If you live in CT contact Blumenthal and Murphy, this is Blumenthals bill… try to get Murph to put pressure on Blumenthal, at least Murph isn’t a politcal fox. on 24 Aug 2023 16:14 next collapse

Think of the children” is such a dumb excuse that people keep using in the US to pass laws that restricts citizens and are anti-privacy. on 24 Aug 2023 23:13 next collapse

It’s such a dumb excuse that it caught on in many other countries! on 25 Aug 2023 02:04 collapse

It’s not stupid if it works on 24 Aug 2023 16:15 next collapse

It’s always worth trying, but this is something I don’t see us changing. And although it’s helpful to have a prewritten letter to send, when they get 363826283636 identical messages it makes it that much easier to ignore because “they’re just bots.” I edited the message to add my own feelings about government overreach and corporations reaction to censor everything to protect themselves. on 24 Aug 2023 19:30 next collapse

Great point about editing the letter – and calling is even better!

In terms of whether or not we’ll be able to change it … last year the broad pushback succeeded in stopping KOSA, and there’s certainly a decent chance to do the same this year. Who knows, but as you say, it’s always worth trying! on 24 Aug 2023 21:02 collapse

you might be able to sway some corporate democrats by pointing out how this will destroy a lot of internet businesses. who knows? they might have invested in tech on 24 Aug 2023 17:33 next collapse

Horrifying to see Biden and the Dems unite with the Republicans on an anti-LGBT+ bill. on 24 Aug 2023 18:35 next collapse

It is incredibly typical.

My reaction to the sponsor list would be the shocked Pikachu meme. on 25 Aug 2023 02:05 next collapse

You should have seen Biden and the Dems unite w Republicans to make gay marriage and gay military service illegal the first time and they’ll keep doing it too on 25 Aug 2023 20:09 next collapse

most US dems have the stance of “compromise at all costs” which always just means the conservatives get what they want.

US dems are just conservatives with people pleaser syndrome. on 25 Aug 2023 20:39 collapse

Well, they sure aren’t pleasing me. on 25 Aug 2023 22:19 next collapse

Biden and the Dems are right-leaning centrists.

Actual progressives caucus with them because what choice do we have? Refusing to do so effectively gives control of the most powerful nation in the history of the world to a psychotic doomsday cult who never met a minority that they didn’t hate with all of their Christian hearts™.

Kinda makes me wonder if we’ll ever have a proper left-wing party in this country since, at this point, saying that poor people should be given a 30 second head start before being hunted by their social betters is considered by Conservatives to be radical Marxism. on 31 Aug 2023 09:45 collapse

In a few years, if you’re not willing to vote with a brick and a molotov, then your vote doesn’t count.

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Conservatism: An idea so good it has to make alternatives ILLEGAL. on 24 Aug 2023 18:22 next collapse

<img alt="frothingfash" src=""> in 2014: “Stupid SJWs, my rights don’t end where your feelings begin.”

<img alt="frothingfash" src=""> now: “Stupid SJWs, your rights end where my ego begins.”

‘Free Speech’ mfs really do like their blasphemy laws. on 25 Aug 2023 15:52 collapse

Yeah, no, it was always the second one. on 24 Aug 2023 19:06 next collapse

The internet is about to move to the rest of the world if this passes, no one will host a web server in the US after this. on 24 Aug 2023 19:42 next collapse

The problem is where? The EU is trying to apply similar censorship via the DSA, Russia we all know is LGBTphobic and not truly for free speech, Canada is a joke, and China is lol. Not even sure if Japan is viable. on 24 Aug 2023 19:49 next collapse

What do you mean by China is lol? on 24 Aug 2023 19:57 next collapse

Didn’t a lesbian kiss get edited out of Star Wars Rise of Skywalker for the Chinese release? Just as one example on 24 Aug 2023 20:14 next collapse

If we’re using anecdotes, one of China’s most famous TV personalities (Jin Xing) is openly transgender

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This is like saying, “I’m not a racist I have a black friend”

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I’m trans. No it isn’t.

Claiming that China is actively repressing this while literally employing and front-facing transgender people is absurd. Where are the famous transgender TV personalities employed by the BBC? Britain’s state owned media.

China is visibly trying to improve things for trans people compared to the country I’m currently in (the UK) and your absurdness about it is obviously built on racism because you don’t behave this way about white countries. You only behave this way about non-white countries. Where is your equal criticism? Where is this behaviour when it’s all the white countries that behave this way? You’re american right? Where is it for YOUR country which is currently illegalising trans people, undergoing state sanctioned murder against trans people and having an internal refugee crisis because of it. Where the fuck are the federal protections to prevent this genocide being perpetrated by red states? Non existent. Because democrat support for trans people is performative.

So excuse me but fuck off about criticising China on trans people. You’re a shit. on 25 Aug 2023 02:29 collapse


China isn’t censoring their internet because you’re a trans person who lives in the UK, BBC doesn’t have trans personalities, and certain US politicians are attacking trans rights? Wow, what an argument.

Also I’m racist for pointing out authoritarianism from an authoritarian government?

You’re doing a terrible job with your concern trolling. Put in some effort at least. on 25 Aug 2023 04:41 collapse


The point isn’t about censorship which for the record here was performed by Disney for the sake of more profit. Not by the state.

their internet

Nothing about this comment string was about the internet. This is a non-sequitur.

you’re a trans person who lives in the UK, BBC doesn’t have trans personalities, and certain US politicians are attacking trans rights? Wow, what an argument.

The point here is that it is demonstrably obvious to trans people living in the US and UK that China is better to us than the US and the UK, one of which is currently performing a genocide against us and the other of which is transphobic on a near daily basis and is expected by the community here to follow in the US’ footsteps if it gets the chance.

Also I’m racist for pointing out authoritarianism from an authoritarian government?

You didn’t say a damn thing about that. You dismissed an argument about China being better about trans people than multiple major western governments. I gave concrete examples of why that is, and only now are you bringing out “muh authoritarianism”, which frankly I don’t give a shit about compared to the ongoing real genocide of trans people the US is doing.

It is painful talking to you morons when you can’t even remember what you fucking said, or be bothered to go back and check it. But yes I am calling you a racist because you clearly have different standards for white countries than you do for non-white ones. on 25 Aug 2023 18:21 collapse

The point here is that it is demonstrably obvious to trans people living in the US and UK that China is better to us than the US and the UK, one of which is currently performing a genocide against us and the other of which is transphobic on a near daily basis and is expected by the community here to follow in the US’ footsteps if it gets the chance.

China is pretty blegh actually.

They are actively making things worse w.r.t accessing HRT online, and require even more nonsense than the UK on changing legal ID, including shit like spousal approval, familial approval, and permission from various things like work, school, etc.…/Transgender_people_in_China

Access to hrt is also comparable to the uk by the looks of it. More importantly, the illegality of gay marriage combined with the massive approval process for id change means that trans people with different-gender partners can’t marry legally, and trans people with similar-gender partners are probably? in an unfortunate position here, though the page doesn’t include info on this >.<

The more sex-segregated components of various aspects of China also causes significant issues >.<

I’d say it’s worse in terms of being able to socially and medically transition, but there’s less overt hate. It’s more death-by-bureacracy and a need for even more extensive social approval to transition (I’m almost impressed that they managed a worse system than in the UK). The greater hold the Chinese Government has over their internet means accessing DIY HRT is likely much harder :/

People claiming China is much better on this than the US and the UK are wrong, they both have different issues. The UK in particular, most of the transphobia I experience is from institutions and media rather than “on the ground” (though this def. happens too), and the way the government is going with using us as a scapegoat is very concerning. But the - for now - lower amount of control over communications means I got started on DIY HRT pretty simply and pushed my way through the “official” system.

On a side note, stuff like this is one of the reasons opposing authoritarianism especially w.r.t communication is important, it makes it easier to do things the government has not approved of because the infrastructure is not in place to control communication and coordination as effectively.

The US is as always a clusterfuck because of it’s more federated nature, some of their states are trying to do genocide while others are acting as refuges and have things like informed consent HRT access and active protection against the more hostile states ^.^ - but fuck me if the dems aren’t spineless at opposing this stuff or (as can be seen in the op) sometimes support this.

Honestly most large states constantly try and censor the internet with stuff like this, though in the US/UK/Europe it has been a lot less successful at least. In this case it’s a more brazen attack on queer people, but this sort of stuff seems to happen every couple years. It’s very frustrating >.<

People definitely have some double standards though - maybe racism or the false idea that China is communist - but it doesn’t mean the Chinese govt is good on things, in my observation, just that people underestimate the things European countries, the UK, and US states do.

They may be better or worse and just because people often have double standards doesn’t make the Chinese government better (though it is often not worse in some respects, but the overall greater control of communication and computing infrastructure means it is harder to evade the subjugation or organise around it via tools like Tor, and the greater centralisation means that if the government decides to do something particularly awful it’s both harder for public dissent to occur and harder for regions to undermine efforts like that or even actively counter them :/). on 25 Aug 2023 18:27 collapse

Why is it that liberals only source is wikipedia??? Please read other things.

China is expanding clinics for trans people. Notably for trans children, who it built its first clinic for in 2021 and has built a further 8 since.

This alone makes them incomparable to the UK, where the children’s clinics have been institutionally attacked and set back for the last 5 to 10 years. There is an enormous difference between a state actively stepping up their transgender healthcare accessibility vs a state rolling it back.

People claiming China is much better on this than the US and the UK are wrong

Says the person whose entire fucking understanding of the matter was gained from wikipedia 5 seconds before making this comment. Jesus fucking christ.

The UK in particular, most of the transphobia I experience is from institutions and media rather than “on the ground” (though this def. happens too), and the way the government is going with using us as a scapegoat is very concerning. But the - for now - lower amount of control over communications means I got started on DIY HRT pretty simply and pushed my way through the “official” system.

I want you to read this then try to imagine it being written by the terfs destroying our lives at the BBC or Guardian.

China is doing us right. Our countries are not.

but fuck me if the dems aren’t spineless at opposing this stuff or (as can be seen in the op) sometimes support this.

They’re not spineless you naive idiot. They see us as a tool, they don’t give a fuck about us other than for pretending they’re good and wielding as an electoral weapon to say “look trans people will die if you don’t vote for us”. Actually helping us would mean they need to find something else, so they don’t.

false idea that China is communist

China is a socialist state building towards communism. Your inability to understand this is a personal failure to understand it, not a failure of theirs. on 25 Aug 2023 01:36 next collapse

I consider that an absolute win for queers. Corporate pandering can eat shit. on 25 Aug 2023 01:42 next collapse

Why are you automatically blaming China for that? How do you know that decision wasn’t made by the film directors/company? Unfortunately, propaganda runs deep and people easily believe whatever they want to believe

“Authorities in Dubai and in Singapore’s media regulatory board, the Infocomm Media Development Authority (IMDA), threatened Disney and Lucasfilm to either cut a brief lesbian kiss from the end of Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker or else lose their film’s PG-13 rating … While Chinese censors allowed the kiss to stay, an R rating in Singapore would’ve made the film inaccessible to its younger fans, hurting its financial success abroad.”

It was the first Google search result

Disney and Lucasfilm are the ones to blame for chasing profit on 25 Aug 2023 17:51 collapse

lemmy poster can’t do a google search

many such cases on 25 Aug 2023 19:53 collapse

Don’t know about the kiss, but they basically edited out John Boyega almost entirely for the overseas release. on 25 Aug 2023 01:07 collapse

Seems pretty clear from context, China is an autocratic state well known to engage in censorship when it fits the party’s desires. on 25 Aug 2023 01:59 next collapse

And that has affected you outside China operating a server based there when? on 25 Aug 2023 02:43 collapse

I don’t understand, please rephrase your question. on 25 Aug 2023 04:34 collapse

What don’t you understand about it? How has it ever affected you? Can you name a single time it has?

China does not care unless you live within its borders, and even there it only really cares when it is someone of influence, such as the rich capital owners or the celebrities. on 25 Aug 2023 09:36 next collapse

My friend, read the thread. You’re getting triggered over someone laughing at the idea of westerners hosting web content in China to escape censorship. on 25 Aug 2023 10:01 collapse

<img alt="pigpoop" src=""> <img alt="PIGPOOPBALLS" src=""> on 25 Aug 2023 11:21 collapse

I just didn’t understand the way your question was worded because it was garbled. I don’t have any reason to host a data server and I don’t live in China, so you got me, I’ve never been personally impacted by Chinese government censorship and repression. Obviously that means it doesn’t exist, QED.

But oh, as long as I make sure not to upset anyone rich or in power I would be fine, don’t worry. Do you ever read what you type? on 25 Aug 2023 12:43 collapse

I just didn’t understand the way your question was worded because it was garbled. I don’t have any reason to host a data server and I don’t live in China, so you got me, I’ve never been personally impacted by Chinese government censorship and repression. Obviously that means it doesn’t exist, QED.

“The Chinese government has never done anything that has negatively impacted me or anyone I know, I have never known a Chinese person I disliked, yet I passionately despise China. I am extremely different from Republicans who have never set foot inside an American city yet are terrified of doing so. It’s you tankies who are propagandized, not me!!!” on 25 Aug 2023 14:01 collapse

Strawman city over here. I do not despise China or the Chinese people. I have actually visited China and loved my time there, the people I met, and the food I ate. I think it is a beautiful country with wonderful people and a rich history. I can also recognize that their autocratic ruling party represses and censors their citizens, and I don’t think that is a good thing. I wish the best for China and truly hope that some day, all their citizens will be able to express themselves freely. on 25 Aug 2023 15:34 next collapse

I can also recognize that their autocratic ruling party represses and censors their citizens, and I don’t think that is a good thing. I wish the best for China and truly hope that some day, all their citizens will be able to express themselves freely.

The USA imprisons more people per capita than China. There are also limits to free speech in the USA, as evidenced by the bourgeois regime’s brutal crackdown on the George Floyd protests among countless other examples. Which society is more free exactly? on 25 Aug 2023 15:44 collapse

Dude i recomend you to let this one go. Those guys are from hexbear and looks to me that they are raiding this thread for some reason. Theres no way their tankie takes would get this most upvotes normaly, they are usually bashed outside of this thread but the up to downvote ratio is suspisous af. And besides their takes shouldnt be taken seriously. One of this clowns where claiming that china defends trans people and are actively making life better for them… fucking china, the ccp, really now? Ive seen that there are some centers for lgbtq+ studies, and while the name of Jing Xing sounds like dislexic joke for Xi jing, shes actually real and trans and very popular on chinese tv, but there are no laws that explicitly protect them and its reported that they still sufer a lot of harasment from the general population and the ccp isnt really looking into fixing this anythime soon if ever. But other than that just let this one go, its not worth it. on 25 Aug 2023 02:18 collapse

And which governments don’t engage in censorship when it fits their desires lol on 25 Aug 2023 02:42 next collapse

Your whataboutism isn’t really useful here, I’m just responding to the question about China. The point of his response was that there isn’t really any place left to go. And even if your response was relevant it would be laughable, the censorship that the Chinese government perpetrates puts most other countries to shame. on 25 Aug 2023 03:33 next collapse

Whataboutism, checkmate tankie <img alt="smuglord" src=""> on 25 Aug 2023 19:51 collapse

I mean, you are a tankie. You sub to hexbear. China isn’t an autocratic state hahaha okayyyyy surrrrre. Just a single party “democracy” right? on 25 Aug 2023 19:53 collapse

Everything you said is facts, glad to see you’re learning from us thanks to the federation on 25 Aug 2023 04:42 collapse

this is a thread about the US though? Who whatabouts the whatabouter? on 25 Aug 2023 11:09 collapse

Your reading comprehension is pretty low. My original comment was specifically in response to another individual questioning why the idea of hosting servers in China to escape censorship was “lol”. That’s it.

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Which is his point,right? Like where else would you go to host if all governments engage in this BS on 25 Aug 2023 19:31 collapse

The arguments presented are so terrible and devoid of any meaninful substance

The first one was “China lol”

Then the one I replied to in support of “China lol” said “autocratic state” which is absolutely false unless all of your knowledge about China’s governance system comes from reading CNN headlines and skimming Reuters articles written by a dude with a bachelor’s in journalism that doesn’t speak Chinese

They also said “well known to” which implies it’s a special case when every state exerts overwhelming control and censorship over the media that occurs within their country on 28 Aug 2023 05:50 collapse

Isn’t the CCP given explicit power and privilege in the Chinese government and isn’t the CCP’s officially headed by a permanent leader as it’s “core”? I’ve been trying read about the political structure and it’s hard to not argue that it seems very autocratic. on 31 Aug 2023 21:04 collapse

Isn’t the CCP given explicit power and privilege in the Chinese government

The CPC (not CCP) is the guiding force of the government, and adapts to the will of the people through the mass line/being comprised of 10% of eligible persons. The highest level of the CPC (after the various levels of party committees/congresses) is the SC of the Politburo of the Central Committee, which is comprised of members elected through all levels and with terms of five years, and the highest individual position is the General Secretary (also terms of five years), elected by the Central Committee. Provided the persons in these positions are fit to serve, there are no definite term limits (one can be elected for a term of five years indefinitely until they are too old to serve (age limit), wish not to in which case a subordinate would the replace them, or are voted out by the CC) although I fail to see how a term limit can be justified when it is merely an undemocratic method of preventing the election of someone regardless of their success/the will of the population. on 02 Sep 2023 05:36 collapse

So what is the “core” position in relation to that? When is the next election for Xi Ping for that position? on 02 Sep 2023 06:29 collapse

Xi Jinping was re-elected as GenSec in 2022 (third term), so the Central Committee would foreseeably be doing a new election in 2027 (for the SC of the Poliburo as well). on 24 Aug 2023 20:27 next collapse

How is the DSA in any way similar to this? on 25 Aug 2023 02:44 next collapse

I’m sure tech company’s could just stick their servers in the Virgin Islands or some other fucking tax haven. on 25 Aug 2023 04:39 next collapse

Japan has terrible international peering. on 25 Aug 2023 19:48 next collapse

In what way is Canada a joke? Like, I’m not saying it isn’t, but our online freedom is pretty good. We don’t actually have a state sponsored censorship campaign, VPNs are legal, TOR is legal, all we legislate is that you aren’t inciting violence or calling for the extermination of a protected group of people or doing shady dark web shit. Pretty much everything else is good to go. on 26 Aug 2023 01:23 collapse

In the way that there are MAGAs up north. Like, come on bois, there’s no need for that shit. on 25 Aug 2023 21:40 collapse

There’s some wisdom in the old soviet anecdote

There’s freedom of speech in the USSR: In the USA, you can stand in front of the White House in Washington, DC, and yell, “Down with Ronald Reagan,” and you will not be punished. Equally, you can also stand in Red Square in Moscow and yell, “Down with Ronald Reagan,” and you will not be punished.

The Internet is still mostly connected, the law enforcement is not as much. Many businesses exist only because of this. You are free to host (produce, store, distribute) your content where it is legal and access it from where it is not. Access to foreign resources may eventually be outlawed or the access itself restricted. This is already the case in EU, Russia, China, etc. - but for now Internet is mostly connected. on 24 Aug 2023 20:01 next collapse

which, considering that the U.S considers accessing a server based in the U.S grounds to extradite a person from the otherside of the world and try them for a capital crime might not be such a bad thing. on 25 Aug 2023 14:40 collapse

It is why more need to support the decentralized movement as then there is not centralized group you can choke to get your draconian ways. on 24 Aug 2023 19:43 next collapse

No!!! Not when porn is so easy to get these days! I need my daily dosage. If this goes through, the we won’t have access to California’s greatest stars ✨🤩 in the business. Everything will be smaller and lower quality and possibly not in English. I only watch the videos for the articles. But if the articles are all in dutch or Chinese or Japanese, how am I supposed to you know? Like do my thing. You know? on 24 Aug 2023 19:50 collapse

do you have brain worms on 24 Aug 2023 19:58 collapse


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Why would a state attorney generally have any oversight over the content of the internet? That seems way out of scope for their job

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I think they do care about kids but it’s a dumb argument to take. Kids are helpless, everything can hurt them. Unless it’s something legal that is specifically causing kids harm and can be regulated, like guns, then bringing kids into the debate is just going for easy points. on 25 Aug 2023 01:22 next collapse

I hang around a bunch of artists who make money through NSFW art…or shit, they just draw it for fun. This isn’t gonna be great for them. Why should me and my friends’ thirty year old asses have to hold back so Little Timmy doesn’t see a boob or something? Shouldn’t their parents be the ones making sure that doesn’t happen? on 25 Aug 2023 01:54 next collapse

Unfortunately this is just ONE of MANY bad internet bills currently up for consideration and with bipartisan support. Help fight all of them at on 25 Aug 2023 02:07 collapse

! is tracking all the bad internet bills … right now KOSA’s where the most action is. on 25 Aug 2023 01:57 next collapse

A bill like this has merit if it’s targeted at real problems, like the sources of fascist growth and propaganda that have existed on the internet for decades.

As per usual the US isn’t interested in going after the fascists though. This will absolutely be used against already marginalised people and the left, by which I mean socialists. There’s a reason it has bipartisan support. on 25 Aug 2023 05:35 next collapse

You really can’t pick and choose. There’s really no such thing as ‘good’ government censorship of the internet, you have to block all of it or you’re getting the bad stuff. on 25 Aug 2023 05:38 next collapse

Yes there is. And yes you can. The only people that say this absurd fucking bullshit are literally nazis who don’t want to be targeted.

“Hurr hurr you have to block lgbt with the fascists or you have to accept them both” is a fucking stupid thing to say and you should be ashamed of yourself and the general state of your life leading you to say this stupid shit. on 25 Aug 2023 05:46 collapse

Legal principles preventing government censorship are simple and effective. If you erode those, you have not a lot protecting you from shit like the OP bill. Nothing stupid about that, just how it works. on 25 Aug 2023 07:15 next collapse

<img alt="PIGPOOPBALLS" src=""> <img alt="pigpoop" src=""> on 25 Aug 2023 10:00 next collapse

Legal principles preventing sex are simple and effective. If you erode those, you have not a lot protecting you from shit like having sex with children. Nothing stupid about that, just how it works.

You and your libertarian brain on 25 Aug 2023 17:04 collapse

Preventing how? Clearly these principles don’t work because the government that’s supposed to be following them can just choose not to.

As evidenced by the myriad of “human rights” abuses done by a state founded on the idea of “civil rights”.

The rights of man are predicted on power. Otherwise it’s just talk. on 25 Aug 2023 19:22 collapse

It is a mistake to think of a government making choices in the same way an individual might make choices. A government is not a person, and a collection of people is not equivalent to a single individual in its ability to have coherent values and act on them. Instead, some framework for cooperation and compromise must be used. If your framework sucks, if it’s especially wishy-washy and subjective, power seeking assholes will be more able to twist it around and abuse it. Civil rights don’t always work perfectly, but they work better than the alternatives (like hoping a dogmatic ideology will be able to seize absolute power, agree with itself, and maintain sane values all at once).

It seems obvious to me that if free speech protections are eroded in the United States, that opens the door to the right in particular suppressing the sort of speech they clearly want to suppress and are actively trying to suppress. They have control of state governments, they get in power federally and pass laws on a regular basis. Is there any reason to think that wouldn’t happen? This bill seems to be a perfect example: bipartisan legislation giving both sides censorship and intimidation powers.

As for whether the approach works in practice, and can avoid being a bare expression of the power of whoever is in charge at the time, here is a summary of historical supreme court cases related to Free Speech. I don’t think all of these are necessarily for the best, but it seems clear that for the most part (with some notable exceptions) they are not egregious deviations from the principle, and are not expressions of the whims of whoever is in power at the time. It represents an actual restraint on those who would like to exercise power over others. on 25 Aug 2023 23:44 collapse

Since you seemed to reply in earnest, I’ll link this and highly suggest you watch it. Even if you don’t end up agreeing, I think it lays out the crux of the issue with human rights as an idea in a clear concise manner. It’s only 20 minutes long and it’s well put together. (I dunno how to do the in line text link)

I’d go point by point through your post (which I did read) but I’m swamped with work and shit. on 25 Aug 2023 23:45 next collapse

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub. on 26 Aug 2023 01:20 collapse

There is a lot here I agree with. I’ve seen stuff from this channel before and it’s pretty good. Human rights are somewhat arbitrary, and are influenced by what makes a convenient compromise between power interests. However I don’t think that necessarily contradicts what I am saying, because what I am arguing against is not the rejection of civil rights as a concept, but the catastrophe that would come from the dismantlement of this particular one in this particular way given the context of our present society.

From the video:

Let me be clear here: I’m not saying that all these problems will be fixed if we simply stop adhering to the doctrine of human rights. Human rights are an outcome. A symptom of a specific social and political configuration, and you don’t fight the symptom, you fight the disease. If we recognize the problem with human rights, it is the social and political configuration that produces them that we have to change. So long as we live under capitalism and the liberal political paradigm, rights are absolutely necessary.


So, what would need to be done in order to establish a society that no longer produces or depends on the ideology of human rights? It would have to be a society in which the significance of community has been restored.

So removing rights is not by itself a solution, and can do harm. We do not exist in a society where the fabric holding it together is “significance of community”. The spirit of discourse I see from authoritarians is very far from suggesting a way to reorder our world around “significance of community”. Rather on all sides it seems to be rage manifesting as a desire to silence and dominate their enemies, with the consequences only an afterthought, that can or should not be seriously considered. Even while claiming mutual hatred, they pursue this shared objective together, and things like this bill show that they aren’t even very committed to hiding it. The reasons why the success of one means the success of the other in this case are obvious; the loss of the right of Free Speech in this context means the empowerment of people who want to use censorship as a weapon, and weapons don’t discriminate. on 25 Aug 2023 07:48 collapse

If you learn more about political science you’ll find that there is more nuance, it’s not so simple as all or nothing. on 25 Aug 2023 08:32 collapse

How so? on 04 Sep 2023 18:08 collapse

You’ll have to go and learn to find out! Can’t do any harm.

This book is excellent…/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2YHH09AXAW3HG&amp…

You can also ask pi for an introduction on 04 Sep 2023 18:45 collapse

I was more prompting you in case you wanted to elaborate on your argument. If you wanted to cite relevant passages from that book to support it I would read and consider them and maybe read the rest, but as it is I can’t help but interpret your intent as being snidely condescending. Am I wrong about that? You’re citing the entire field of political science, throwing a book at me that may or may not have anything to do with the internet or the erosion of legal rights, and linking to an AI chatbot. on 06 Sep 2023 03:26 collapse

I keep making the mistake of commenting on things that I have no desire to dig into. Apologies if I was rude. It really is an interesting area if you find yourself curious about it one day. on 25 Aug 2023 08:54 collapse

yeah, Rs have already been bragging that they’re going to use this to go after queer communities online. on 25 Aug 2023 02:10 next collapse

Donate to the EFF. on 25 Aug 2023 08:10 collapse

i thought you meant the Economic Freedom Fighters💀

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How is this line up with ‘liberty’? The US gov can’t stop intruding into the private sphere. on 25 Aug 2023 08:08 next collapse

Knowing this will probably be passed like

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This is how it feels like to not be American and seeing decisions like this. They affect the whole Internet since so much stuff relies on US Internet infrastructure, yet you can only watch as the citizens of Burgerland drive the 'net into the ground. on 25 Aug 2023 21:12 collapse

the whole Internet

It will not affect the whole Internet. American-centered English-speaking “Internet” yes, but there’s lots and lots of infrastructure and content elsewhere. Many Chinese-, Japanese-, Russian-, and German-centric resources exist almost independently from the rest of the world. Some of them are free to completely ignore the “bad internet bills”, copyright, IP, GDPR, and any other regulation you can think of. on 25 Aug 2023 21:54 next collapse

I was exaggerating a little, but it is still a huge swath of the Internet. And the Chinese and Russian parts of the 'net have enough of their own problems. on 25 Aug 2023 23:49 collapse

Guess I am learning German or Japanese because Canada is also on a train to censoring the Internet piece by piece.

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How? It will just make it extremely expensive for people to host instances, and ensure that it’s hard to find content on other platforms to link to. on 25 Aug 2023 19:22 collapse

What makes it expensive? Thanks. on 25 Aug 2023 20:23 collapse

Having to meet whatever age verification steps are required. If you need intake id information and pay to have it verified, keep logs that you only allow verified users or face jail, its going to be real hard. on 25 Aug 2023 19:42 collapse

Unless they define ActivityPub as a platform. on 25 Aug 2023 10:26 next collapse

What’s going on in this popular thread? on 26 Aug 2023 00:55 collapse

Mix of concern, frustration, and what appears to be complex doomer mating rituals on 25 Aug 2023 11:56 next collapse

What the hell? on 25 Aug 2023 15:14 next collapse

America is a fucking stain, they get worse by the day. on 25 Aug 2023 17:21 next collapse

Ooooh… the liberals are about to hand the fascists the keys to the tanks. on 25 Aug 2023 22:12 collapse

We did the same in 2016. I forget what happened as I lapsed into a 4 year alcohol fueled amnesia. But I can’t imagine that it was too bad. /s on 26 Aug 2023 01:41 collapse

We did the same in 2016

Nope. Not yet. The right-wingers thought they could install overt fascism without the help of liberals - they thought wrong. They tried to win the streets - antifa beat booted them off it. They got their Great Orange Fuhrer into the Waffle House - liberal disdain isolated him and booted him out. What needs to happen is liberals being frightened to such an extent of working class revolt that the violence fascists offers becomes the “lesser evil” - and a good first step is to find hysteria “hot button” issues that liberals are too ignorant and naive to see through… like above-mentioned “protect the children” trope. on 25 Aug 2023 18:07 next collapse

part 2 of this bill:

Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.

just so we’re all clear on the purpose of this bill. on 25 Aug 2023 19:16 next collapse

All the fascist hentai guys on 4chan are about to commit mass suicide or a mass shooting on 26 Aug 2023 01:04 collapse

The guys who run 4chan are going to be facing life in jail. on 25 Aug 2023 19:52 next collapse

What the heeell? (can’t get a more productive comment after reading that, sorry) on 25 Aug 2023 20:39 collapse

Wtf on 25 Aug 2023 19:51 next collapse

Guess I’m gonna download a lifetime supply of porn before this goes through. Just in case. on 25 Aug 2023 20:06 collapse

Western Digital be all like

<img alt="image" src=""> on 25 Aug 2023 20:10 collapse

Ironically I am running WD drives. I’ve got a 32 TB server in RAID 1 running a Plex server and it’s half full. I’m sure I can purge some shows if I need more space. on 25 Aug 2023 20:04 next collapse

Wha… What the fuck!?! on 25 Aug 2023 20:14 next collapse

Thank you for noting the US focus in the title <3

So often I see sweeping headlines like this that are actually only about a single country, and the country is always named (as it’s a key piece of information about the story) unless it’s the USA, at which point they just assume you must be in the USA too and so being up front about what country they’re talking about isn’t a priority xD on 25 Aug 2023 21:48 collapse

Unfortunately this is about the first time, I’d (almost) disagree with you. If the US bans something on, or makes a law about, the internet it almost always affects the rest of the world. The only difference is the rest of the world has no say in the matter :( on 26 Aug 2023 00:23 next collapse

Can you elaborate how this act could affect me in Germany? on 26 Aug 2023 00:31 next collapse

Do you visit any websites that are hosted in the United States? It doesn’t matter where you’re located, it matters where the site you’re accessing is hosted. on 26 Aug 2023 02:03 collapse

As an American, GDPR has affected me. Many sites have chosen, rather than deal with Europe and the rest of the world separately, to just make a version of their site that is GDPR-compliant. I’ve sent GDPR erasure requests to services and they don’t bother checking if I’m actually a European citizen, they just remove my data because it’s easier. I’d argue that GDPR was a net good even for America and other countries.

This is the same thing but in reverse. If KOSA makes Pornhub unable to operate in America, they may very well shut down due to the loss of revenue. If KOSA makes companies paranoid about allowing, for example, NSFW pictures, or LGTBQ or abortion information, or similar, then those companies may disallow it on their services altogether even if they have servers in Europe because setting up the infrastructure for, for example DailyMotion, to have totally separate databases of content in different regions is just too much.

This can affect you. Not as much as people in the US, sure. But unless you use sites and applications made only by European companies, it can absolutely affect you. on 26 Aug 2023 04:52 collapse

You make a good point! It’s too early in the morning for me to think about solutions to the issue, they mainly affect platforms used globally but hosted in a specific country like the USA (Facebook for example).

Though, it’s not like we have no say entirely, so there is hope :-)

For example, a major platform like Facebook banning/restricting gay/trans content would be seen as a pretty major case of discrimination and would certainly land Facebook in court over here, with their access to our market eventually closed should they not comply with our equality laws.

So sure, they could keep running in the USA, but their access to global markets would be reduced and fractured depending on how evil and draconian the USA continues to get, and how much freedom other countries have internally in their societies, to better protect from discrimination.

Which I’d say in a way is a good thing, allowing for local rivals to jump up to fill the gap and bring back some of the innovation and joy of the internet of 20 years ago! :-D

But there’s down sides too, it distances us from others, making it harder for us to connect with and understand other nations and cultures. I think having a platform that everyone can use, run by a monopoly or not, is a very beneficial thing for us all.

Anyway, just a few extra thoughts there. It’s a very complex and difficult topic, and I’m not even “armchair expert” level 😅 on 25 Aug 2023 20:51 next collapse

“The internet is about to get a lot worse (US focused)” uhh


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everyday is the same but slightly worse on 25 Aug 2023 20:54 next collapse

Awfully bad idea on 25 Aug 2023 21:19 next collapse

So the internet is going to become just like Lemmy and Reddit.

Or have you never been banned/censored/deleted for bullshit reasons? on 25 Aug 2023 23:48 next collapse

I like Lemmy more than Reddit because the former doesn’t ban me because I posted on a Sunday that doesn’t start in the middle of the week. on 27 Aug 2023 16:32 collapse

I have a feeling you get banned from all sorts of shit on 27 Aug 2023 16:46 collapse

You just went through my history, downvoted the most recent 10, and left a mean reply to each.


Lemme guess. Banned from Reddit? Ya, me too. on 25 Aug 2023 22:20 next collapse

I emailed my senators, both Democrats. One wrote me back telling me how proud they were of co-sponsoring the bill. The other told me how important it is to protect kids from the dangers of social media. WTF. on 25 Aug 2023 22:27 collapse

WTF indeed. But, thanks for emailing them – they track how much email they get in each direction, and if there’s enough they may rethink their position. on 25 Aug 2023 23:48 next collapse

Can… can you please just kill me now? Just a bullet between my skull, do it while I’m playing Baldur’s Gate… don’t even wanna know you’re doing it.

Just wanna fall asleep and wake up on some kind of astral plane where things make sense on 26 Aug 2023 01:02 next collapse

Thank you, I just signed this petition. Luckily my lawmaker is already against these bills. on 26 Aug 2023 05:07 collapse

I don’t know if that’s lucky. It means you are at the wims of others you can not influence. on 26 Aug 2023 01:07 next collapse

I wish they would not use kids as a shield for what they really want.

Call it the “I despise transgender people and want them dead” bill so everyone can properly pick their side. on 26 Aug 2023 01:24 next collapse

Attent #452625 at destroying the Internet and counting.

They only need to succeed big once or small a couple of times. They already succeeded small big many times so yeah. Enjoy the internet while it lasts, 5 years from now it will be unrecognizeable and a fraction of what we have now.

But at least the kids are safe because THAT is why we are doing this, right? RIGHT? on 26 Aug 2023 01:25 collapse

Fascists always use "protecting children" as the rationale for implementing mechanisms of social control. Their willingness to allow school shootings shows that they really don't care about protecting children at all.