Spot@startrek.website
on 16 Jul 2024 13:03
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Guess I should have worded that more as, “make my employer understand and make the switch”. We can tell them till we’re blue in the face but they do not seem to care.
Out of the gate: which distro? Which shell? Now get all a business apps working there, some which were custom developed in the 90’s.
Or CAD. OneNote with SharePoint (which is extensively used). Etc, etc.
Look, there’s a lot wrong with Windows, but switching to Linux for nearly any business isn’t realistic, especially large orgs. And if you only have a few users, working around the negatives is trivial with a few reg scripts, or logon scripts, or Group Policies assigned by the DC.
but switching to Linux for nearly any business isn’t realistic
Not with that attitude.
Thalestr@beehaw.org
on 15 Jul 2024 02:53
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I’d never use a Microsoft mail client anyway. I use Thunderbird.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jul 2024 03:15
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Thunderbird has a pretty ass UI though and it’s still pretty janky at times. I only switched to it over the mail app after email sent to our support department had some random persons name associated with the “contact”
Windows 10s mail app wasn’t bad, but now that it’s this new outlook thing I’d never go back.
It took me a sec to get the hang of it, but I’m good with Thunderbird
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jul 2024 18:23
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It’s not hard to figure out, the UI/UX is just kinda ass. It’s got that open source made for developers by developers feel and not made for actual users feel.
The biggest thing I liked about the windows 10 mail client was how well it scaled to different sized displays, and all on the fly. Thunderbird I either make it look good for my 4k monitor, but unusable on my laptop if it’s a small window, or I make it look good on the laptop and it’s horrendous use of space. Without going into crazy themes the thunderbird client looks straight outa 2002 no matter what font sizes and layouts you tweak.
Yeah I’m with you on the display, especially with a docking laptop. I just kinda fell into it without much searching around, I’m sure there are more user friendly clients out there but it works just fine for my usage and I honestly don’t have time or energy to go on the hunt for the perfect client lol
I’m open for suggestions for a better one, but for me it uniquely combines open source (kind of) with ease of use and functionality / expandability. I used emacs for more than a decade and switched to VSCode (although I don’t do coding as my primary activity anymore). Tried neovim, sublime, netbeans and webstorm and didn’t convince me.
sneezycat@sopuli.xyz
on 15 Jul 2024 09:17
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Technically still made by Microsoft, but what about VSCodium?
Support for weird stuff like integration with smart home (home assistant), better syntax highlighting / autocomplete for specific cases (like the home assistant mentioned above), better support for mixed fonts, database integration, more efficient use of screen real estate for side panels and less effort to add new languages in general (cdk, terraform, k8s with crd, go, etc), one click github copilot…
My current role needs me to deal with whatever the customer is using, so a whole lot of variability, custom resources and libraries, languages that I’m not super familiar with… It’s just easier.
If it helps, I’m still running Arch, BTW. (but probably will go with just debian when my computer dies, whenever that will be).
wuphysics87@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 2024 22:36
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Rentlar@lemmy.ca
on 15 Jul 2024 05:32
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New Outlook is a pile of shit compared to the desktop Outlook app. It’s been causing a lot of headaches for my coworkers. Microsoft had better port near every single feature over to the newapp before they force everyone on it.
0xtero@beehaw.org
on 15 Jul 2024 06:19
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Threatening us with good times?
I think I’ll stick to Mutt.
xavier666@lemm.ee
on 15 Jul 2024 07:31
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What do you want me to do, Microsoft? Install Linux twice?
Replaced with one god awful one. I actually liked the calendar application, does all I need it to do. But no, I can’t have just a calendar application anymore according to Microsoft
Mozilla used to have Sunbird, until they also rolled it into Thunderbird. Standalone calendars aren’t popular anymore, but in sure there’s some around.
I understand the mail integration, as appointments can be processed directly.
viking@infosec.pub
on 15 Jul 2024 09:54
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The new outlook is utter garbage. It was in fact so bad that I uninstalled it and now use it through the web front-end only. And I’m doing that in Edge - as the only website this browser is allowed to open (asides from Teams, where the software is just as terrible).
If they call it a success that no more people are complaining because they just gave up, then, congrats… I guess?
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee
on 15 Jul 2024 18:20
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Oh. This sounds like a good idea lol is the search a lot faster?
Not amazingly fast, but still quite a bit better indeed. Give it a try, to don’t need to uninstall outlook to do that after all.
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
on 15 Jul 2024 10:16
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If anyone’s in this thread because they’re looking for a new mail client after Microsoft killed the old Mail app, and haven’t been happy with the typical suggestions of using each email service’s web interface or Thunderbird, I found I don’t hate Mailspring (with the fancy features disabled - I just want my email client to do email well and don’t want extras that provide clutter).
kindenough@kbin.earth
on 15 Jul 2024 11:25
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Good riddance.
I absolutely dislike Outlook desktop, don't trust it either. Used Thunderbird back in the day, but switched to emailing on tablets or phone + TrueNas for desktop files.
FairEmail Pro on tablet is all I need for email. It is open source and imo simplest to use. It's free and the pro version set me back 7€ or so.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 2024 17:58
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beyond@linkage.ds8.zone
on 15 Jul 2024 18:55
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Same reason anyone would use a dedicated provider-independent client instead of a proprietary web application locked into a single provider: less vendor lock-in, more local control, and so on.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 2024 19:01
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It works better for searching, it works offline, catch-all addresses just work with correct from address when replying, backup and archiving, can move mails from box to box without sending.
I also use roundcube, but only to read mails. If I want to reply to a catch-all mail I have to create an alias which is super tedious.
jasonlearst@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 2024 22:56
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catch-all addresses just work with correct from address when replying
What do you mean by this? I’d like to be able to reply from a website@mydomain.com automatically.
For me Thunderbird makes me create an alias in order to reply to my catch all (*@mydomain.com). Did you have to configure something specifically?
WaterWaiver@aussie.zone
on 15 Jul 2024 23:06
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I click on my “From” address and then select “Customize From Address…”. I can then type anything I want up there. It’s a little annoying when replying to an email chain with an alias, but not too many steps.
Enable Reply from this identity when delivery headers match
Enter your domain prefixed by a wildcard (*), for example *@yourdomain.com
Close/confirm all your changes
Open an email that was sent to one of your catch-all addresses and click the reply button.
The FROM field should be the catch-all address and not your general address.
JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone
on 16 Jul 2024 00:40
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I have email addresses under Outlook (old personal account), Gmail (study provided email), Exchange (work) and Proton (main personal account). I also actively use the calendar feature in my client, which is sync’d up to my Nextcloud instance.
Just having it all under Thunderbird is so convenient and it feels more private. It’s also an entirely consistent UI between accounts
Snapz@lemmy.world
on 15 Jul 2024 19:36
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Willy Wonka, I invoke thee… please come express my feelings on this for me.
wuphysics87@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 2024 22:34
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you cannot stay on win10 forever though. deadline is approaching
wuphysics87@lemmy.ml
on 16 Jul 2024 04:44
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The majority of regular folks will only ever upgrade when they get a new computer. Most Me Maw’s and Pa Paw’s would sooner let their computers catch fire from being loaded with cat than get a new one. Hell. They are all still using ball mice.
As for me, as long as I have an iso I’ll happily run it in a vm. Indefinitely.
Ball mice is better than laser mice since you can take out the ball and play with it
wuphysics87@lemmy.ml
on 16 Jul 2024 19:09
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Can’t argue with that. The ones with the big ball on the top are especially good because you can use an 8 ball
ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org
on 16 Jul 2024 01:10
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Does that mean the only official email app will be the one that uploads the passwords to all your email accounts to Microsoft?
rekabis@lemmy.ca
on 16 Jul 2024 06:40
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Thunderbird is acquiring Exchange features.
They haven’t turned them on just yet owing to a little last-minute work, but your ability to sync calendars and address books with an ActiveSync/Exchange-compatible eMail server is coming soon.
VanHalbgott@lemmus.org
on 16 Jul 2024 14:28
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Works for me: I manage email with Proton on my phone and on the web on my computer anyway.
threaded - newest
Microsoft won’t stop me from continuing to not use Windows
They certainly tried with Secure Boot. Thank Stallman that UEFI is a somewhat-open architecture.
I think it’s more like what Mozilla is to google; Linux to Microsoft is a tool to prevent antitrust issues
Easy solution – don’t use Windows.
Tell that to my employer.
I would happily do so! :)
Guess I should have worded that more as, “make my employer understand and make the switch”. We can tell them till we’re blue in the face but they do not seem to care.
Sorry to hear it :(
Lol, right, right.
Out of the gate: which distro? Which shell? Now get all a business apps working there, some which were custom developed in the 90’s.
Or CAD. OneNote with SharePoint (which is extensively used). Etc, etc.
Look, there’s a lot wrong with Windows, but switching to Linux for nearly any business isn’t realistic, especially large orgs. And if you only have a few users, working around the negatives is trivial with a few reg scripts, or logon scripts, or Group Policies assigned by the DC.
Not with that attitude.
I’d never use a Microsoft mail client anyway. I use Thunderbird.
Thunderbird has a pretty ass UI though and it’s still pretty janky at times. I only switched to it over the mail app after email sent to our support department had some random persons name associated with the “contact”
Windows 10s mail app wasn’t bad, but now that it’s this new outlook thing I’d never go back.
It took me a sec to get the hang of it, but I’m good with Thunderbird
It’s not hard to figure out, the UI/UX is just kinda ass. It’s got that open source made for developers by developers feel and not made for actual users feel.
The biggest thing I liked about the windows 10 mail client was how well it scaled to different sized displays, and all on the fly. Thunderbird I either make it look good for my 4k monitor, but unusable on my laptop if it’s a small window, or I make it look good on the laptop and it’s horrendous use of space. Without going into crazy themes the thunderbird client looks straight outa 2002 no matter what font sizes and layouts you tweak.
Yeah I’m with you on the display, especially with a docking laptop. I just kinda fell into it without much searching around, I’m sure there are more user friendly clients out there but it works just fine for my usage and I honestly don’t have time or energy to go on the hunt for the perfect client lol
I do too, but it’s a dog. So damn slow.
Outlook is fast, and that’s important.
I really hope they get the performance issues resolved in Thunderbird.
I guess way back when microsoft said than win10 would be the last version of windows, what the meant was it would be the last anyone wants to use.
Why would I want to use any app that MS makes
Because some are good. VSCode for instance.
Vscode is not that good IMO.
I’m open for suggestions for a better one, but for me it uniquely combines open source (kind of) with ease of use and functionality / expandability. I used emacs for more than a decade and switched to VSCode (although I don’t do coding as my primary activity anymore). Tried neovim, sublime, netbeans and webstorm and didn’t convince me.
Technically still made by Microsoft, but what about VSCodium?
That’s what I meant by “kind of” open source.
Neovim, hands down.
Mic drop
If I were writing code 40h a week maybe, but my emacs brain can’t get used to vim motions.
Why would you switch from Emacs? That’s a genuine question, as an Emacs user?
Support for weird stuff like integration with smart home (home assistant), better syntax highlighting / autocomplete for specific cases (like the home assistant mentioned above), better support for mixed fonts, database integration, more efficient use of screen real estate for side panels and less effort to add new languages in general (cdk, terraform, k8s with crd, go, etc), one click github copilot…
My current role needs me to deal with whatever the customer is using, so a whole lot of variability, custom resources and libraries, languages that I’m not super familiar with… It’s just easier.
If it helps, I’m still running Arch, BTW. (but probably will go with just debian when my computer dies, whenever that will be).
Atom was better. Pour one out for my homie
Yes officer, this comment right here.
New Outlook is a pile of shit compared to the desktop Outlook app. It’s been causing a lot of headaches for my coworkers. Microsoft had better port near every single feature over to the newapp before they force everyone on it.
Threatening us with good times? I think I’ll stick to Mutt.
What do you want me to do, Microsoft? Install Linux twice?
You can do that
I recommend it, even if you don’t need it, bc it fun
Oh yes! I have done it. A bunch of Linux VMs using Ovirt running on top of CentOS just to test some kernel changes.
I actually like that app. But can’t use it reliable now since they gave it up. Welcome EMClient and Thunderbird.
[meme] Oh no! Anyway… [/meme]
oh no, please let me use those shitty apps that you keep pestering me to use and i say fuck off every time, please!
The good part: two garbage apps will be gone from windows 😂
Replaced with one god awful one. I actually liked the calendar application, does all I need it to do. But no, I can’t have just a calendar application anymore according to Microsoft
Mozilla used to have Sunbird, until they also rolled it into Thunderbird. Standalone calendars aren’t popular anymore, but in sure there’s some around.
I understand the mail integration, as appointments can be processed directly.
The new outlook is utter garbage. It was in fact so bad that I uninstalled it and now use it through the web front-end only. And I’m doing that in Edge - as the only website this browser is allowed to open (asides from Teams, where the software is just as terrible).
If they call it a success that no more people are complaining because they just gave up, then, congrats… I guess?
Oh. This sounds like a good idea lol is the search a lot faster?
Not amazingly fast, but still quite a bit better indeed. Give it a try, to don’t need to uninstall outlook to do that after all.
If anyone’s in this thread because they’re looking for a new mail client after Microsoft killed the old Mail app, and haven’t been happy with the typical suggestions of using each email service’s web interface or Thunderbird, I found I don’t hate Mailspring (with the fancy features disabled - I just want my email client to do email well and don’t want extras that provide clutter).
Good riddance.
I absolutely dislike Outlook desktop, don't trust it either. Used Thunderbird back in the day, but switched to emailing on tablets or phone + TrueNas for desktop files.
FairEmail Pro on tablet is all I need for email. It is open source and imo simplest to use. It's free and the pro version set me back 7€ or so.
I moved to Mozilla Thunderbird long ago www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
People still use dedicated email clients? Why?
Same reason anyone would use a dedicated provider-independent client instead of a proprietary web application locked into a single provider: less vendor lock-in, more local control, and so on.
It works better for searching, it works offline, catch-all addresses just work with correct from address when replying, backup and archiving, can move mails from box to box without sending.
I also use roundcube, but only to read mails. If I want to reply to a catch-all mail I have to create an alias which is super tedious.
What do you mean by this? I’d like to be able to reply from a website@mydomain.com automatically.
For me Thunderbird makes me create an alias in order to reply to my catch all (*@mydomain.com). Did you have to configure something specifically?
I click on my “From” address and then select “Customize From Address…”. I can then type anything I want up there. It’s a little annoying when replying to an email chain with an alias, but not too many steps.
See my other reply, you can automate this with a setting so you don’t have to edit it manually every time.
This is built into Thunderbird for a while now.
i.imgur.com/065RFJJ.png
Account SettingsReply from this identity when delivery headers match*), for example*@yourdomain.comI have email addresses under Outlook (old personal account), Gmail (study provided email), Exchange (work) and Proton (main personal account). I also actively use the calendar feature in my client, which is sync’d up to my Nextcloud instance.
Just having it all under Thunderbird is so convenient and it feels more private. It’s also an entirely consistent UI between accounts
Willy Wonka, I invoke thee… please come express my feelings on this for me.
Does it matter if everyone stays on windows 10?
you cannot stay on win10 forever though. deadline is approaching
The majority of regular folks will only ever upgrade when they get a new computer. Most Me Maw’s and Pa Paw’s would sooner let their computers catch fire from being loaded with cat than get a new one. Hell. They are all still using ball mice.
As for me, as long as I have an iso I’ll happily run it in a vm. Indefinitely.
Ball mice is better than laser mice since you can take out the ball and play with it
Can’t argue with that. The ones with the big ball on the top are especially good because you can use an 8 ball
Does that mean the only official email app will be the one that uploads the passwords to all your email accounts to Microsoft?
Thunderbird is acquiring Exchange features.
They haven’t turned them on just yet owing to a little last-minute work, but your ability to sync calendars and address books with an ActiveSync/Exchange-compatible eMail server is coming soon.
Works for me: I manage email with Proton on my phone and on the web on my computer anyway.