We need an international alliance against the US and its tech industry (www.disconnect.blog)
from yogthos@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.ml on 02 Feb 2025 19:59
https://lemmy.ml/post/25535409

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qprimed@lemmy.ml on 02 Feb 2025 20:17 next collapse

short but dense article. a very useful read.

sbv@sh.itjust.works on 02 Feb 2025 20:47 collapse

Burying a call to action in dense text is such a pain in the butt. I’m generally interested, but considering how many of these go nowhere, it doesn’t seem worth the effort.

qprimed@lemmy.ml on 02 Feb 2025 21:04 collapse

I hear ya. just not sure there is going to be a single buffet of easy, bitesized solutions :-(

sbv@sh.itjust.works on 02 Feb 2025 22:52 collapse

Solutions don’t need to be easy or bite sized, but they do need to be explained in a way that people want to read.

Burying them in dense text is one step away from putting them on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Leopard.”

qprimed@lemmy.ml on 02 Feb 2025 23:19 collapse

still slightly less painful than listening to vogon poetry.

look, the hyperspace bypass is upon us. if you happen upon the literary equivalent of a subether sense-o-matic and a digital thumb, I will have my bathrobe and towel at the ready.

but we gotta try and take everyone.

sbv@sh.itjust.works on 02 Feb 2025 23:52 collapse

Hiding ideas in text so dense it requires a Babel fish to understand won’t bring many people with us.

queermunist@lemmy.ml on 02 Feb 2025 21:23 next collapse

Pretty sure there already is one and it’s called BRICS.

yogthos@lemmy.ml on 02 Feb 2025 21:29 collapse

yup, that’s the free world

fsxylo@sh.itjust.works on 02 Feb 2025 23:49 next collapse

Lol, Russia gonna try to take that over, too. They’re literally in the acronym.

yogthos@lemmy.ml on 03 Feb 2025 01:44 collapse

when you definitely have a clue

[deleted] on 03 Feb 2025 02:10 collapse

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yogthos@lemmy.ml on 03 Feb 2025 13:49 next collapse

stay mad loser

[deleted] on 03 Feb 2025 16:16 collapse

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davel@lemmy.ml on 04 Feb 2025 03:24 collapse
[deleted] on 03 Feb 2025 00:45 next collapse

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yogthos@lemmy.ml on 03 Feb 2025 01:43 next collapse

Yeah I literally believe that. Imagine living in the west and still not being able to understand you’re on the wrong side of history.

Guttural@jlai.lu on 03 Feb 2025 06:50 next collapse

Imagine being on the wrong side of reality

PanArab@lemmy.ml on 03 Feb 2025 18:44 collapse

People in the West seem to choose to be as dumb as rocks. My only consolation is that you are only 13% of the world population and declining. Soon enough we won’t have to care what you think, and future generations may not even have to learn your languages to read your horrible takes.

Reading online posts by benighted Westerners made me wish I never learned English.

Guttural@jlai.lu on 03 Feb 2025 20:28 next collapse

It’ll happen at the same time as the mythical collapse of China, which never comes.

I’d welcome the end of imperialism as well, mind you.

merde@sh.itjust.works on 03 Feb 2025 23:35 collapse

they don’t “choose to be dumb”. Same minority of people who are exploiting you, wherever you are, are also exploiting a great majority of people in the parts of the world you call “west”.

It’s easier to manipulate people when they’re “dumbed” down. Media is bought and controlled to form opinions and spending on education is minimized. Most people aren’t even exposed to ideas that can create a spark in their minds.

“People in the West” are not your enemy. Their masters are all peoples’ enemies.

merde@sh.itjust.works on 03 Feb 2025 16:19 collapse

so you’re thinking outside the box that you’ve found yourself in and you’re on the right side of the history?

yogthos@lemmy.ml on 03 Feb 2025 16:47 collapse

I’m on the side of the liberation of the global majority from the yoke of western imperialism. BRICS is at the forefront of that.

merde@sh.itjust.works on 03 Feb 2025 22:56 collapse

so you prefer one sort of imperialism to another sort of imperialism

yogthos@lemmy.ml on 03 Feb 2025 23:02 next collapse

I do not, maybe go learn what imperialism is instead of trolling here.

[deleted] on 04 Feb 2025 01:06 collapse

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yogthos@lemmy.ml on 04 Feb 2025 01:31 collapse

What an amazing counterpoint you’ve mustered there. Must’ve used both your brain cells to write it.

humanspiral@lemmy.ca on 04 Feb 2025 02:03 collapse

Russia is not an empire. It would like to have a sphere of influence with friends, but it definitely needs its neighbours to not be US empire agents bent on destabilizing it into civil war.

China is not an empire either. It makes foreign investments that are better than any US offers. US is the one that uses extortion and bribery of puppets it installs the most.

merde@sh.itjust.works on 04 Feb 2025 02:52 collapse

“sphere of influence with friends”

so cute it’s impossible to disagree

/s

humanspiral@lemmy.ca on 04 Feb 2025 03:42 collapse

Germany is not an empire, but has cultural ties to Austria, Swiss. They are more powerful than those neighbours, but if Germany reduce US subservience, US would be welcome to come to manipulate/select German neighbour rulerships to destabilize Germany. Any anti-German faction, or like Ukraine, anti-German speakers in their country, would get all the money and weapons.

PanArab@lemmy.ml on 03 Feb 2025 18:40 collapse

People are getting paid to hate the US/West? I have been doing it for free by witnessing the genocide in Gaza

[deleted] on 03 Feb 2025 23:17 collapse

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humanspiral@lemmy.ca on 04 Feb 2025 01:55 collapse

The free world is the world that doesn’t have the US select its rulers. But keep on rocking. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvxxdZpMFHg

merde@sh.itjust.works on 04 Feb 2025 02:54 collapse

they’re so free that they don’t even select their own rulers

humanspiral@lemmy.ca on 04 Feb 2025 03:46 collapse

I love democracy, but rigged democracy helps no one. That countries let smart people agree on rulership is not horrible, especially if oligarchy is controlled instead of being in charge. That we loved Russia under Yeltsin and hate it under Putin is exclusively that Yeltsin loved western corruption.

DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml on 04 Feb 2025 13:27 collapse

Or is it?

yogthos@lemmy.ml on 04 Feb 2025 13:28 collapse

it’s certainly more free than the fascist west

Lugh@futurology.today on 02 Feb 2025 22:48 next collapse

If only there was an oompa-loompa failed businessman, aided by Russia to weaken his own country from within, who could take on such a mission - where could we find such an extraordinary person?

Grapho@lemmy.ml on 02 Feb 2025 23:10 collapse

Us citizens when US businesses pay US politicians to fill the pockets of US billionaires: why would Putin do this

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml on 02 Feb 2025 23:15 collapse

Nuh uh! Sometimes they blame China

JOMusic@lemmy.ml on 03 Feb 2025 23:31 next collapse

I’ve already made this a separate post, but I do think it is very relevant to this. You can already start finding alternatives to US-centralized software and digital services, and these two sites are a great start:

https://switching.software/

https://european-alternatives.eu/alternatives-to

humanspiral@lemmy.ca on 04 Feb 2025 01:34 next collapse

Instead of allowing the US government to continue to bully and threaten countries around the world, its Western allies must team up with friends in the Global South not just to force the United States into line, but to tackle the power of its out-of-control tech industry once and for all.

There is a big focus on US tech profits taken out of colonies. A bigger issue is political control. X/Meta going full MAGA with explicit favouritism on cultural issues and political parties in the colonies is an opposing force to the traditional CIA media controlling the worst moderate politicians in all of the colonies to support US wars. The far right tends to be NATO “skeptics” , and USAID (which Musk just terminated) is a CIA front.

The core “moderate brainworm” that must be cured is “US is a force for good with liberal ideals”. Not only has it just rigged an election for the most fascist pro Israel ruler, the previous administration had huge faults of its own. There is a “liberal supremacist” brainworm which accepts every warmongering lie to diminish “less liberal” nations, and specifically Russia no matter how far away USSR is in history. The brainworm is incapable of judging nations on the progress/prosperity it gives its nation, only that there are few political distractions on how to make world the least sustainable possible. If you want Russia to accept human sustainable policies, you need to stop waging war against it.

That the tech industry offers itself as a new media colonization scheme on “US friends” with MAGA/ethnic supremacist validations is a sharp contrast to the traditional US control messages, and the obviousness that in a sustainable world, immigration helps sustain your economy for the future, with “soft racism” helping keep the immigrants at lower end of hierarchy. In an unsustainable world going to shit, then investing in future is pointless, and might as well end child education to keep the Senior vote. Cannibalism is coming. The only reason to contradict the traditional control message of “US is a humanist partner”, is that the US needs divisiveness and wars in Europe. Ukraine was pure awesomeness for the US. All of the CIA puppets STFUd about nordstream sabotage.

For sure countries need to significantly tax US tech profit extraction, but they need to significantly extort money from US to tolerate US presence there. Canada actually defends the US instead of the other way around. It hosts NORAD, including radar that protects US from Russian ICBMs. US needs to pay for NORAD. EU military bases are occupation bases. German government spying is done from such occupation. US needs to pay for privilege, or leave.

When pro US countries accept US enemies as their own enemies, that becomes their point of insecurity. They only need US help in their defense, because they have chosen cooperating on demonic diminishment of the US’s adversaries. The globe’s enemy is the US empire. It has no love/humanity for anyone else.

DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml on 04 Feb 2025 13:28 collapse

Ironically, it is written on Substack.