Microsoft stoops to new low with ads in Windows 11, as PC Manager tool suggests your system needs ‘repairing’ if you don’t use Bing (www.techradar.com)
from dvdnet62@feddit.nl to technology@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 15:11
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GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 15:28 next collapse

Idk what I can say about this except “lol”

Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 15:41 collapse

My reaction too. Next thing they’ll have a hand reach out from the monitor and slap you in the face every time you log on. And people will still put up with it.

bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 May 2024 16:11 collapse

A lot of people don’t have a choice

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 16:36 next collapse

Technically speaking noone is restricting you from changing your job/school

bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 May 2024 16:44 next collapse

spoiler

sdfsaf

TachyonTele@lemm.ee on 16 May 2024 19:48 collapse

Who is this Noone guy, and why is he restricting everyone’s job and school choices?

Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 16:29 collapse

Actually, those that don’t have a choice aren’t affected by the enshittification quite as much. This mainly affects the consumers using Windows Home. And those definitely could try something else.

Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 May 2024 15:38 next collapse

Pathetic.

khannie@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 16:16 collapse

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[deleted] on 16 May 2024 19:01 collapse

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henfredemars@infosec.pub on 16 May 2024 15:43 next collapse

Reclaim your PC. Make it yours once more. Join the penguins.

leetamus@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 15:59 next collapse

I dualboot to accommodate a handful of apps. Linux loads up fast and awaits my command once logged in. Meanwhile my pretty much fresh windows build sets my cooling fans on full before I’ve even touch the mouse.

I admit it was a bit of a learning curve getting things set up as I like, but man Linux is such a better experience.

IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 2024 17:00 next collapse

Do you have your fans controlled by the bios or a fan controller?

Dreyns@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 17:39 next collapse

Not op but i personally use a fan controler as on my laptop asus weird overboost system is not very well handled by bios.

IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 2024 19:12 collapse

I was thinking about desktops, where the fan would be physically plugged into a fan controller instead of into the motherboard. Not sure what that would look like with a laptop.

I was mainly asking because some of those fan controllers default to full on when the usb connection is absent, and Windows doesn’t enable all usb connections until after the user logs into the system.

Dreyns@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 22:40 collapse

Hmm since it’s linux you could have a service that handles that at boot i think. (I’m a noob take this with a grain of salt)

leetamus@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 01:56 collapse

The bios.

rockSlayer@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 17:01 next collapse

You might like a VM for Windows instead, so there’s no risk of a windows update taking a hammer to your bootloader

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 20:53 next collapse

This is one of the reasons I like Qubes a lot.

jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org on 17 May 2024 00:41 collapse

I hadn’t heard of this before, and the concept is really intriguing. Thanks for this. I’ll check it out.

leetamus@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 01:50 collapse

I didn’t spend tons of time experimenting, but found the VM wasn’t performing as smoothly as a second install.

Should I be worried about the boot loader thing? My OS picking experience is pretty wack. I have to slam esc while booting then f9 then pick my Linux boot up. It defaults to windows which I kind of like because it puts my actual OS on stealth mode lol.

rockSlayer@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 01:56 collapse

If you’re booting without GRUB then you don’t need to be concerned about your bootloader breaking. Windows just sometimes overwrites GRUB, which is a pain

henfredemars@infosec.pub on 17 May 2024 04:12 collapse

There’s something refreshing and simple about the computer doing what you tell it to do and nothing extra.

When you don’t want or need your hand held, there is a simple beauty.

0110010001100010@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 16:46 next collapse

I finally did this last week, nuked out my Win 11 laptop install and switched to Ubuntu. I have yet to find anything I would need to go back to Windows for.

henfredemars@infosec.pub on 16 May 2024 21:43 collapse

I was not so brave. I installed in dual boot, but I just never booted back into windows.

SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 17:31 next collapse

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kozy138@lemm.ee on 16 May 2024 20:26 collapse

Or the pirates

Tja@programming.dev on 16 May 2024 22:48 collapse

Or stay on Windows 10, if the pattern holds true Windows 12 might be decent again.

kshade@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 09:56 collapse

Don’t hold your breath, 10 already broke the pattern IMO and all I hear about 12 is that they will cram “AI” into everything. Windows the operating system is dead, replaced by Windows the sales platform.

Lath@kbin.earth on 16 May 2024 15:43 next collapse

That's because they've integrated it into the start menu.
Evil, yes. But technically correct.

glouriousgouda@lemmy.myserv.one on 16 May 2024 16:07 collapse

This is the one thing that justfied buying an enterprise licensing model for my C level overlords.

30p87@feddit.de on 16 May 2024 15:50 next collapse

“[…] switching the default search engine back to Bing […] from Google Search (or whatever other browser is set as default).”

Google is a Browser now, neat. And somehow it’s relevant in a post about search engines.

“Microsoft Edge, the default browser pre-installed on Windows machines, and Bing Search aren’t bad products by any means - they are solid alternatives to Google’s own Chrome and Search.”

They may be good compared to Chrome and now also Google. But even rotten eggs are better than literal shit, at least for most people.

Sneptaur@pawb.social on 16 May 2024 16:01 next collapse

Imagine you have a computer that’s been compromised by malware. What do you think the search engine will be set to? Not Google, not Bing, probably some third party one that has ads and malware. Changing that to Bing would technically qualify as a repair.

They could easily improve this by just adding a list of common reputable search engines, and adding those to an allow list.

Rentlar@lemmy.ca on 16 May 2024 16:33 next collapse

As a Linux aficionado, I appreciate you trying to bring an argument for Windows in good faith and a potential way for Microsoft to improve it. This is even if steering people to Bing is Microsoft’s intention with this move so they are unlikely to improve it in the way you suggested.

Since forever, Microsoft-affiliated products are often the only things that get the “trusted” label within the Microsoft ecosystem.

Sneptaur@pawb.social on 18 May 2024 01:02 collapse

Yeah it’s not ideal. I just don’t see a world where Microsoft will set people’s search engine to DuckDuckGo

Melonpoly@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 16:19 collapse

What a fucking stupid argument.

Sneptaur@pawb.social on 18 May 2024 01:02 collapse

Glad you had something useful and helpful to add to the discussion. Have you ever in your life heard of “playing devils advocate”? Read a book some time.

JoMiran@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 16:07 next collapse

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When I made this, I did not expect I’d use it much. Then…Windows 11.

DaddleDew@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 15:58 next collapse

Microsoft needs to be broken up.

Any company that can be so blatantly anti consumer and still makes boatloads of money is obviously abusing its dominant position on the market.

conquer4@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 16:20 collapse

Didn’t happen with Apple, or IBM, or Google, or Facebook, or…

TachyonTele@lemm.ee on 16 May 2024 19:47 next collapse

Wasn’t IBM broken up into different hardware and software companies? Or an I thinking of someone else

RunawayFixer@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 20:02 collapse

Not ibm. You might be thinking of Bell: en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System

TachyonTele@lemm.ee on 16 May 2024 20:21 collapse

Nah that’s obvious. There was a supercomputer company that split up their hardware and software soon after software wasn’t strictly for one machine anymore.

RunawayFixer@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 20:55 collapse

Which company?

BroBot9000@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 19:30 collapse

Not yet…

awesome_guy@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 16:35 next collapse

Windows: System needs repairing Me: proceeds to install linux mint

KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 19:39 collapse
SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 16:05 next collapse

Isn’t this exactly what got them broken up last time?

flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 2024 21:23 collapse

Yeah, but back then you Americans had a government. I can’t see it happening with your current circus.

The EU, however, is already looking at MS over teams monopoly practises (fucking finally!), I’m hoping edge and copilot/bing are on their radar too!

onlinepersona@programming.dev on 16 May 2024 16:44 next collapse

Please microsoft, become the ad platform you’re destined to become and give users a reason to move to linux.

Anti Commercial-AI license

corroded@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 16:56 next collapse

I use a mixture of Linux and Windows 10 LTSC on my PCs/servers/VMs. I will be the first to admit that Windows does sometimes make sense to use. My desktop PC and my dev environment are both Windows 10.

That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10? As far as I can tell, it’s worse in every way. Built-in ads, a crappier UI, forced obsolescence with TPM requirements, and “feature” bloat that nobody asked for.

10 was a clear improvement over 8, but 11 just seems all-around worse.

sylver_dragon@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 17:59 next collapse

what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?

Many years ago, I was at a Windows XP launch event and the Microsoft Rep had a really honest line:
“Why should you start using Windows XP? Because we’re going to stop supporting Windows 98!”

And ya, that’s pretty much been the cattle prod Microsoft uses to push new versions, eventually you stop getting security updates for the older OS and at some point there are enough security vulnerabilities which make it no longer safe for daily use. That said, with Windows becoming more and more user hostile, other options start to make more sense.

corroded@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 18:41 next collapse

I’d like to hope that by the time Win10 is no longer supported, we have Win12 that doesn’t suck. The way things are going, though, I doubt it. I’m expecting that Win10 will be the last version of Windows I use.

I still prefer Windows over Linux for gaming and software development, but everyone has their limit. I am strongly opposed to advertisements, and when I can no longer block ads from my operating system, it’s dead to me.

variants@possumpat.io on 16 May 2024 20:33 collapse

Windows 12 will probably be subscription based and cloud only

Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 19:07 collapse

I never upgraded software-wise. Moreso my tech got so outdated that new hardware I’d get (I only use Windows for gaming) would have the latest Windows installed - exactly what Microsoft wants.

I think Proton/Linux in the past year is going to really disrupt that strategy.

KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 19:45 collapse

That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?

Windows 11 re-introduced Clippy as an emoji:

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flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 2024 21:20 collapse

Holy shit, really?

My change controls written in comic sans are going to a new level!

whoscheckingin@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 17:42 next collapse

Lol, I don’t even use Windows… heh !!!

queermunist@lemmy.ml on 16 May 2024 19:09 next collapse

They about to find out the only reason people don’t use Linux is because Windows is ‘convenient.’

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 2024 20:02 next collapse

Hey, my weekly reminder to tell you that I, a Windows 11 user on five computers without any special tweaks, have never seen a single one of those ads people keep talking about on Lemmy.

BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca on 16 May 2024 20:14 next collapse

You must be in the B group or something, do you use a Microsoft account to login with or a local user?

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 2024 20:28 next collapse

Some with and some without Microsoft account

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 22:41 collapse

I see the same behavior, both as a local user and as a user connected to a cloud account.

boogetyboo@aussie.zone on 16 May 2024 20:31 next collapse

Same? I’m really confused which ads they’re taking about

Croquette@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 2024 22:38 collapse

I just installed Win11 on a work computer last week, and there were at least 3 screens of the installer trying to push o365 or one drive.

Then you have the start menu where if you look for a software, 90% of the menu is an ad trying to push you a software. At the bottom, you have your search results.

And then there is the pop ups on the bottom right of the screen trying to sell you Candy Crush or another bullshit software.

That’s awful and I’m glad it wasn’t my computer

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 May 2024 22:45 collapse

not sure where all those ads are here unless you mean the search queries on the web??

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lightnsfw@reddthat.com on 17 May 2024 07:21 next collapse

No one needs search queries from the web in their start menu. If I want to search the web I’ll use a web browser.

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 17 May 2024 13:37 collapse

it’s not the start menu it’s specifically when you press the search button and start typing.

lightnsfw@reddthat.com on 17 May 2024 16:20 collapse

When I press the winkey and search (which is the most efficient way to search the start menu) I get web search shit in the results. This is not desirable.

whereisk@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 07:20 next collapse

Are you on an enterprise subscription / office 365 work or school account or something like that?

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 17 May 2024 13:38 collapse

it’s windows 11 home with a 365 family subscription.

Croquette@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 17:21 collapse

I don’t have the pc with me anymore, but I will try to find a screenshot that was circulating around with a ton of ads, which was my experience as well.

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 May 2024 22:42 next collapse

right? the clickbait is just absurd. and i say this as someone who lived through the whole slashdot “m$” phase where you couldn’t blink without seeing an anti microsoft piece on there

Firipu@startrek.website on 16 May 2024 23:01 next collapse

I love how the lemmy FoSS Linux hivemind still down votes you to almost oblivion.

They still haven’t figured out this isn’t reddit. Shouldn’t downvote just because you don’t agree with something my dudes…

imecth@fedia.io on 17 May 2024 00:56 next collapse

It's just a "I disagree" button for most ppl. Also windows do be that bad, you've used it so long you don't notice or know any better.

Firipu@startrek.website on 17 May 2024 01:25 collapse

Replying from Ubuntu (distro of the month for me) though, so I know other. I wouldn’t say better, just different

Windows is perfectly fine for day to day use. 80% of my PC use (and probably 99% for like most people I know) is in a browser. The remaining 20% is in video games. My browser works 100% the same in Linux as it does in Windows. Video games overall are easier to use in Windows. (I use Steam (90% fine with Linux) and Gamepass, which does not play well with Linux).

But feel free to continue to complain about windows :)

imecth@fedia.io on 17 May 2024 07:09 collapse

Windows at this point is barely an OS anymore, it's freemium, it exists solely to push ads and their other products. You say it yourself, most people just use the browser, but hey today windows wants you to use edge, onedrive, outlook, the office suite... and they're taking every step to make sure you do. Their unique goal is to lock you into their ecosystem and make more money off you.

Firipu@startrek.website on 17 May 2024 08:04 collapse

There not doing a very good job of locking people in tbh. Basically all software runs fine on windows.

Its an absolute non issue to run non MS apps on windows.

imecth@fedia.io on 17 May 2024 08:46 collapse

They can't be too heavy handed, otherwise they'll end up with another IE lawsuit that fucked them over. Instead what you have is windows slowly creeping up the enshittification, slowly pushing the boundaries of what they're allowed to do, and doing so regionally too, with the EU getting less shit shoveled in.

xavier666@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 06:07 next collapse

If only there was a convenient way to indicate they don’t agree with someone’s comment/point…maybe the technology doesn’t exist

DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com on 17 May 2024 06:42 next collapse

this isn’t reddit.

Correct, hence downvoting here is meaningless.

lightnsfw@reddthat.com on 17 May 2024 07:18 collapse

I don’t even see downvotes or the downvote button on mine. Which is fine. If I disagree with someone I’ll do it via a comment. Downvoting is just lazy.

redcalcium@lemmy.institute on 17 May 2024 07:58 next collapse

Just turn off “show scores” in your profile and you’ll be happier. It’s a meaningless number anyway.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 08:47 collapse

They still haven’t figured out this isn’t reddit. Shouldn’t downvote just because you don’t agree with something my dudes…

Well, that’s not a feature of reddit after all. People are the same, no matter where they are.

jemikwa@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 May 2024 23:48 next collapse

The subtitle of the article says it’s not available in the US -

PC Manager app is only available in some regions, but could come to the US eventually

lazynooblet@lazysoci.al on 17 May 2024 05:47 next collapse

Lemmy demographic feels like mostly Linux users.

Lemmy posters are on vegan level of promoting Linux, and sith level of hate on Windows.

LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 06:51 next collapse

Join the dark side! We have penguins!

desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 17 May 2024 07:04 next collapse

aye, but do you have a way of managing a physical (noy virtual machine) windows computer so it can be used through the linux system without being aware of it?

swab148@startrek.website on 18 May 2024 16:53 collapse

Like RDP? Or are we talking like, some sort of ssh GUI, where you just wanna access the files on the Windows machine? Most file explorers on Linux do that natively. Or are you talking about compatibility with .exe files? If so, there’s Wine and Proton, but those could need some configuration.

Unfortunately, if you’re managing one computer from another computer, you’re going to be aware of it regardless of which OS you decide to use.

desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 19 May 2024 09:56 collapse

I was more thinking of rdp like things like the pi kvm, hopefully there will eventually be lower latency options.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 17 May 2024 07:04 collapse

We also have dragons and other things too!

redcalcium@lemmy.institute on 17 May 2024 08:19 next collapse

Microsoft always treated linux and foss with such disdain while under Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer. Their current CEO is an outlier, openly embracing and extending foss and linux. After years of abuses from Gates and Ballmer, many people in the linux community won’t be so quick to trust them.

blackris@discuss.tchncs.de on 17 May 2024 08:20 collapse

For me, as a vegan Linux user, who really doesn’t like the concept of the Jedi sect, this sounds like a compliment.

Taleya@aussie.zone on 17 May 2024 06:39 next collapse

So you’re saying you, a windows 11 user on five computers running Microsoft’s default preferred configuration don’t receive any nagware notifications for deviating from Microsoft’s preferred configuration? Fascinating

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 10:01 collapse

People have been talking about start menu ads for over a year, never seen one

I don’t use Edge, never seen a pop-up asking me to switch

Louisoix@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 07:16 next collapse

Same here. No idea how it works and where those ads are…

redcalcium@lemmy.institute on 17 May 2024 08:12 collapse

Big corps love A/B testing, slow rollouts and geo-restricted features. You might be in a different group than people that get all these ads.

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 09:59 collapse

On five computers, for something I’ve been reading about for over a year?

42yeah@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 10:04 next collapse

Literally got a pop up today for their dumbass PC manager.

redcalcium@lemmy.institute on 17 May 2024 12:48 collapse

Are you living in the same country as those that complain about ads in windows? From what I understand, this is not rolled out globally yet.

9point6@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 18:54 next collapse

Damn I’m somewhat indifferent to windows as my main PC os, mostly because I’ve got all my weird music hardware and a couple of decades worth of plugins working nicely. But this shit is getting annoying, so…

I have extensive experience with Linux on servers and I keep umming and ahhing about switching to it as my main desktop OS—let’s see if anyone here is in the venn diagram that can answer this:

I’m a software engineer, all of that is cool, but I’m also pretty into music production

I would need to run Ableton with a Push 3 and Maschine with my M+. I’ve got simpler controllers like a beatstep pro, but I’m expecting those to be fine. And then would I be able to use my expert sleepers modular interfaces properly? Obviously I want this all with low latency.

After hardware I’ve got all sorts of vsts across tens of companies, some need my ilok key, I’ve got my Steinberg stuff too, but they’ve moved to online licensing finally.

Alternatives to the software are great (I know I can use bitwig natively, for example), but it’s a non starter unless I can run it all, I’ve got years of projects that I would want to be able to open and start messing with the music, rather than spending most of my time messing with the software and losing what inspiration made me open the software in the first place

From someone with experience in this area, how viable is this?

Willdrick@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 22:05 next collapse

I’d say keep that machine as is, and whenever you build a new one, just put whichever distro you like. If possible I’d roll back to win10 and after support ends, keep that machine VLAN’d off the internet. This way you turn it into a music production appliance without disrupting your workflow

Drummyralf@lemmy.world on 16 May 2024 22:33 next collapse

Steinberg plugins are not working at all for me. I have Absolute 4 and Cubase Artist 12.

The licensing app installs fine. However, the download center cannot be installed. If you download the installers directly from Steinberg, those don’t install.

I did have some luck with downloading Steinberg installers on a windows pc with download assistant, and then opening THOSE installers on Linux. They installed correctly this way and Yabridge (vst bridge for Linux) even identified them correctly. But the vsts would crash on start.

Yabridge is essential to using VSTs on Linux. Works great from my experience, IF the vst actually can start at all. But that is never a Yabridge problem, always a VST specific Wine problem.

Arturia stuff can be installed without any problems (through wine)

Spitfire’s recent update broke things.

From what I’ve seen, Ableton is pretty nicely supported by the Wine community. But any Ableton or Wine update can break things, so you’ll need to have Wine and Ableton updates freezed if you want a hasslefree life.

Hardware stuff I had no problems with for now, but I have mostly simple midi controllers. I have an external soundcard (UR22 mk2), so my latency is as low on Windows. I use Pipewire, because PulseAudio seems to sometimes give problems being detected by VSTs.

For now I cannot recommend anyone that has extensive VST libraries to fully commit to Linux. The support is simply not there yet. Wine is not reliable enough, and I would hate to be stopped by a Wine error when inspiration hits. You’ll be troubleshooting for days to hopefully get your favourite VSTs working, and pray they don’t break when they update.

I dual boot for now. Music and VR on Windows, all other tasks on Linux. I’m considering making stems for all my projects so I could switch to a different DAW with only Arturia plugins in the future. But I’m not ready yet.

I’m not a super expert, but I did try very hard to get my steinberg stuff and Spitfire Labs working. Feel free to ask any followup questions.

9point6@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 06:49 collapse

Firstly, thanks for the detailed response!

It’s promising to hear that Ableton has a lot of support from the community. I suppose given the versioning issues something like nix could be used to manage the wine versioning more deliberately.

I’ve got a focusrite interface, so if your latency is low, I imagine I’d probably get the same experience. I know I’ll probably lose the iPad remote control features too as I think that’s baked into the windows driver.

Given I do have a pretty extensive VST collection, it’s a shame, but you’re probably right. Do you know how heavily developed Yabridge is? Do you think the industry moving slowly to CLAP plugins might improve this situation?

Maybe dual-boot is a better option to start with, I guess that way if I feel like trying to get it working I can give it a go.

Do you have any plugins that use iLok? Either software or a hardware key

Drummyralf@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 11:29 collapse

No problem!

-Yabridge is still actively being developped. The developer responds to issues on it’s Github frequently.

-Ableton 11.x currently has gold status on WineDB. other versions have varying ratings bronze to platinum.

-I don’t use iLok plugins a lot, but I just tried installing one. iLok gave an error for me. Some searching gave me a thread about a user that got a specific iLok version to work though, so you may need to experiment with this yourself: This thread

I don’t know much about CLAP since I always used VSTs (Cubase user after all :P ). I hope more developers will implement it as an alternative, but I don’t have high hopes. .Au could only become a standard because of Apple’s willingness to not support VSTs in Logic. I’m not sure if a third-party format can shift that much weight. All DAWS either support VST, AU or AAX and I don’t think developers want ANOTHER format to maintain.

WbrJr@lemmy.ml on 18 May 2024 07:20 collapse

I am in a very similar position. Ableton and some other, smaller stuff is the only program that keeps me from switching to Linux fulltime. Bitwig did not click for me yet, I have to give it a try again soon. But the problem of unopenable projects persist. There are roumors, that the push 3 standalone runs a Linux port of ableton. So maaaybe there will be a Linux version in the future? That would be wild! Until then I just dualboot. I will soon reinstall my windows partition for ableton only… I am pretty shure if bigger companies would start supporting Linux, it would take off like crazy

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 May 2024 22:41 next collapse

these clickbait anti microsoft ads weren’t amusing in the late 90s on slashdot and they aren’t amusing now.

Midnight1938@reddthat.com on 17 May 2024 00:58 next collapse

What is a slashdot?

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 17 May 2024 01:32 collapse

my sarcasm meter is broken so i hope this is sarcasm but if not oh you sweet summer child

Midnight1938@reddthat.com on 17 May 2024 01:56 next collapse

Well, windows xp is older than I am

phar@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 02:04 collapse

We all know you were born in 1938, usernames don’t lie

n3m37h@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 02:33 collapse

This guy has been through WWI, WWII, The automobile, Tupac, I mean…

flicker@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 01:51 collapse

Slashdot was founded 26 years ago. I’m almost 40, so when I say this, I mean it-

Don’t condescend to young people about being children. You’re just old now. Embrace it. Explain things nicely or be one of those old people we hated when we were young.

erwan@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 07:27 collapse

Especially considering that Slashdot stopped being relevant, maybe… 20 years ago?

Crashumbc@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 00:26 collapse

I’ve read several articles about win 11, putting ads on the start menu.

Mostly_Harmless_Variant@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 01:40 next collapse

Turned on my computer yesterday and this popped up. No option to decline. I had to go into the registry last week get all traces of OneDrive out. It’s worse than just ads; it’s also forcing its other products. Like: Bitch, I’m just here for your OS. Fuck off with all your neediness.

“Let’s finish setting up your PC Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely acrossall your devices.

Back up your files with OneDrive cloud storage Have peace of mind knowing they’re backed up and available acrossyour devices

Enhance your web browsing experience Restore Microsoft recommended browser settings.

Achieve more with a Microsoft 365 subscription Get premium Microsoft 365 apps, 1 TB of cloud storage to back up files and photos, and more

Back up your phone to your PC Access your phone’s photos, texts, and more, right on your PC.

Sign in quickly with Windows Hello Securely unlock your device with a touch or a smile.

Remind me in 3 days or Continue”

spez_@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 02:40 next collapse

You’re the b*** using their OS

Mostly_Harmless_Variant@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 02:45 next collapse

Ha. You’re not wrong.

Aermis@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 04:14 collapse

Is Linux supposed to be the 1 for 1 swap over?

imecth@fedia.io on 17 May 2024 07:28 collapse

There's some distributions that are windows-like, if you want that you can try Linux Mint. But some DEs like Gnome approach desktop use very differently and do away with plenty of windows designs.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 08:43 next collapse

No KDE or Gnome theme will bring drivers for software and hardware that is only working on Windows, unfortunately.

imecth@fedia.io on 17 May 2024 09:12 collapse

drivers for software

That's not a thing.

theme brings drivers

Gnome and kde don't bring drivers, they bring a compositor. The drivers come from LINUX and other packages like MESA which are distro agnostic.

only working on Windows

OS compatibility is in the hands of the engineers and developers, or more accurately in the hands of corporations that will go where there's money. If you want shit to work on linux, you need to use linux.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 09:33 collapse

Gnome and kde don’t bring drivers

No way, are you sure??

imecth@fedia.io on 17 May 2024 09:46 collapse

Yes. Linux on desktop is by design modulable, you grab parts from plenty of different packages and put them together to make a distribution. Gnome and KDE are just packages, large ones with plenty of dependencies to be sure, but just packages. Here's the gnome package on arch, do you see any driver?

summerof69@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 10:02 collapse

Wow, this is mindblowing!! Can you teach me more about Linux??

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 10:34 collapse

I have to ask. Are you sincere?

summerof69@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 10:45 collapse

No, I’m not sincere with a person who completely ignored my point that Windows-alike DE doesn’t make Linux a viable alternative due to lack of software and hardware support. Stop lecturing people when nobody asked for a lecture.

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 20:54 collapse

Such a weird take on that back and forth. I suppose you’re not used to saying Incorrect things, and having someone point that out.

Reacting to that with sarcasm, to that extent? I hope you’re a teenager still figuring yourself out.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 05:46 collapse

Understood, thank you for your valuable opinion on the subject (no).

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 09:06 collapse

So edgy!

summerof69@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 09:10 collapse

Fucking moron still thinks he’s in some kind of jury, throwing his assessments left and right lol.

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 10:58 collapse

Nah. I just know your type. And it sparks joy that it annoyed you to be called out on your BS. Funny you think this is “some kind of jury”, and not basic knowledge you got wrong, while being rude AF to someone trying to educate you. Fix your attitude. It’s shit.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 11:32 collapse

Who do you think you are to educate anyone? Fix your attitude. It’s shit.

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 18:49 collapse

Couldn’t come up with anything original? Tsk-tsk. Plus, I wasn’t the one who went out of their way to explain the basic shit you got wrong. … recurring theme this.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 19 May 2024 05:48 collapse

You literally wrote you were educating me. Are you stupid?

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 14:01 collapse

You literally wrote you were educating me. Are you stupid?

What I wrote was: “while being rude AF to someone trying to educate you”

You’re the one who incorrectly assumed that “someone” was referring to me. It doesn’t bother me at all whether or not you’re rude to me. It annoyed me that you were rude to someone who was being kind. And, since you need to have things explained with extra care, I was referring to Imecht. The one who was trying to educate you, to whom you were rude to.

I hope you start getting it, as this is now boring. So, how about instead of trying to come up with some kind of clever retort, you simply fuck off to somewhere were your arrogance isn’t revealed as being that of a little shit. You’ll enjoy it more.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 19 May 2024 17:20 collapse

Damn man I went to Paris, visited the International Bureau of Weights and Measures. They displayed you as the standard of a clown. Very impressive.

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 20 May 2024 07:39 collapse

I think you mistook it for the “large mirror” exhibition. Easy mistake to make.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 20 May 2024 08:57 collapse

Ah, a “no you response”. How original.

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 20 May 2024 11:53 collapse

Last time you made some effort, and it was amusing for once.

summerof69@lemm.ee on 20 May 2024 13:18 collapse

You should try too.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 09:22 collapse

Even more using Q4OS, it’s maybe one of the most Windows like, it has even an Windows installer, making it even easier to change.

imecth@fedia.io on 17 May 2024 09:31 collapse

Literally never heard of it before. Please don't recommend tiny distributions to new users, they're a pain to debug due to the lack of information, and they typically have much less support.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 10:14 collapse

Q4OS is a known nd reliable distro (Made in Germany Debian base, KDE<>Trinity) with active developement since 2014, I know several users which use and like it a lot, also very positive reviews in the web.

9to5linux.com/lightweight-distro-q4os-5-2-aquariu…

floss.social/@q4os

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 17 May 2024 07:01 collapse

I switched Linux distributions last night and it took maybe 15-30 minutes (including download time) and I’ve had no issues (once again). I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with that crap anymore.

lud@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 16:17 collapse

I dont think the install time is what is putting people off switching OS, lol.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 17 May 2024 22:50 collapse

Except that it was totally painless. It just works without an issue. This time it was Garuda, and part after install it ran an assistant where it could install a bunch of other applications for you too. It’s incredible how easy the process is compared to Windows.

Vipsu@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 08:26 next collapse

This time the software giant is trying out having PC Manager suggest that you ‘repair’ your system by reverting to Microsoft’s default search engine, Bing.

These are sound like things that are just begging European union to milk out some cash from Microsoft through fines.

kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de on 17 May 2024 08:59 collapse

They probably already set it up to not happen in Europe

MonkderDritte@feddit.de on 17 May 2024 20:10 collapse

Or set aside the cash as a neccessary expenditure to greater income.

Juigi@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 10:17 next collapse

So much of this shit apparently going on 11 but I’ve never seen any of these changes on mine.

Is this only for US or?

RGB3x3@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 11:02 collapse

I’m in the US and I’ve not seen any of it either.

Windows 11 kinda sucks, I don’t know why it’s so hard for them to design a consistent UI, but I’ve not seen this ad nonsense.

I am using adguard DNS across my network, so maybe that’s why?

SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 11:13 next collapse

I just switched all my systems over to mint. I used to think Linux was the “just at work” environment. But now I’m flipping it. I’m sick of Windows, I know it’s less hassle but my digital well-being needs a break from ads.

bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 11:19 collapse

It is truly the year of the Linux desktop.

octopus_ink@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 11:47 next collapse

Stockholm Syndrome is the only explanation I can come up with at this point.

toastal@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 13:12 next collapse

Honestly I think many consumers go buy “computer” & have no concept that it has an operating system or that you can change it.

If you know there is an alternative, then yeah… wtf

octopus_ink@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 19:37 next collapse

100% true, I should have acknowledged that!

01189998819991197253@infosec.pub on 18 May 2024 00:45 collapse

I remember the day when you had to buy Windows separate, and pay full retail. Later, you got a massive discount if you bought the disks with your computer. Then, it came preinstalled. Then, it started to get crappy and more buggy.

toastal@lemmy.ml on 18 May 2024 05:07 next collapse

I’m still salty my current laptop is sold at a discount in the EU without a pre-installed OS due to laws in place–but where I am, I had no choice but to pay a Microsoft tax & immediately wipe it. I used to not connect to WiFi & just look around for a few minutes out of curiosity before wiping, but since 11 moved to Microsoft Account + WiFi required & all the telemetry on by default, I don’t even bother with that anymore.

mortrek@lemmy.ml on 18 May 2024 05:28 collapse

I find it funny, actually. For years, I used DOS, exclusively command line-based, on a 286 and when I got a new 486 computer in the early 90s I was so excited to get Windows 3.1 on it. Decades later, I find myself hating Windows and going back to Linux and often a command line. As far as I’m concerned, the closest thing to the last usable version of Windows was 7, and it still kinda sucked.

01189998819991197253@infosec.pub on 18 May 2024 14:45 collapse

cd c:\oregontr

start .com

Good times. Good times…

(Edit. Added space in command, so it’s not a website)

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 18:32 collapse

Stockholm Syndrome

Completely off topic: Stockholm syndrome gets its name from a hostage situation where the police seemed to show no care or concern for the hostages’ safety and the captors did more to protect them than law enforcement. Of course the hostages’ felt more empathy towards their captors.

According to accounts by Kristin Enmark, one of the hostages, the police were acting incompetently, with little care for the hostages’ safety. This forced the hostages to negotiate for their lives and releases with the robbers on their own. In the process, the hostages saw the robbers behaving more rationally than the police negotiators and subsequently developed a deep distrust towards the latter.[9] Enmark had criticized Bejerot specifically for endangering their lives by behaving aggressively and agitating the captors. She had criticized the police for pointing guns at the convicts while the hostages were in the line of fire, and she had told news outlets that one of the captors tried to protect the hostages from being caught in the crossfire.

octopus_ink@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 19:35 collapse

That’s a really interesting bit of nuance that I’d never taken note of! Thanks!

ObsidianZed@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 May 2024 13:20 next collapse

I just rolled back my Win 11 to Win 10 only to use temporarily while I test some other distros to see which one(s) I like.

Shout out to Ventoy, my new favorite usb utility.

Fredy1422@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 18:07 next collapse

better than flashing usb flash drives to install operating systems.

ObsidianZed@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 May 2024 19:22 collapse

Truly a “where have you been all my life” moment. It even works with recovery ISOs!

I’ll never flash another usb again if I can help it.

I have a 128gb usb c flash drive that I just dropped a ton of distros onto and went to town. So far, EndeaverOS has been my favorite.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 11:49 collapse

Even 10 has annoying popups all the time. And they added AI to the bottom right hand corner where I’ve accidentally clicked on it twice now.

jol@discuss.tchncs.de on 17 May 2024 13:44 next collapse

My grandma call me saying she’s sick of Widows and its shenanigans and asked me to install gentoo on her machine next time I come around. Gonna be a fun weekend.

Laser@feddit.de on 17 May 2024 21:33 collapse

Grandma choosing USE flags already, get that bloat outta here

Freakazoid@lemmings.world on 17 May 2024 19:55 next collapse

And that’s why I switched to Linux.

pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 21:03 collapse

Switching to Linux won’t save you if Microsoft Edge takes such a huge market share that a lot of the internet starts to basically require it.

Laser@feddit.de on 17 May 2024 21:32 next collapse

What would that be? Microsoft Edge is a Chromium browser, it can’t do more with webpages than Chrome or any other of the bunch can.

Oh and Edge is available for Linux, so there’s that. Not that I’d use it…

pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 23:27 collapse

Microsoft can modify chromium. They can add proprietary things to it. Yes you could use edge if you have to critical pages that only works right on edge.

Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca on 18 May 2024 00:51 collapse

So wait, let me get this straight, people shouldn’t install Linux to avoid windows because they might make edge somehow critical to the use of major websites? Why not just use Linux anyways since that’s not happening anytime soon (especially not with the market share Chrome and Firefox have)

pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml on 18 May 2024 02:01 collapse

I didn’t say people shouldn’t install Linux. But even if you do, browser share matters and if Microsoft is abusing their customers and tricking them into using edge in mass, then it will affect you as a Linux user too.

Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca on 18 May 2024 04:08 collapse

It’s fucking moot.

yokonzo@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 21:23 collapse

I promise you that unequivocally will not happen

pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 23:24 next collapse

Windows is telling people their computer is broken if they don’t use Edge.

ilinamorato@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 23:50 collapse

Bing, not Edge.

pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml on 18 May 2024 02:01 collapse

Ah yeah. You’re right.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 23:35 collapse

As it stands it’s better than the most popular browser so it’s not impossible

yokonzo@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 23:54 collapse

I have to disagree, edge has been a big ol’ joke since it’s conception, most non tech literate people see it and go, huh, okay time to download chrome.

Most tech literate people don’t like it for the myriad of other problems, i can’t think of a single scenario where edge dominates the market

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 18 May 2024 00:04 next collapse

It has performance tweaks over Chrome and doesn’t have Google’s spyware

what about Microsoft’s spyware

Majority of users already subscribe to that by using Windows

Older but is still accurate yugatech.com/…/microsoft-edge-vs-google-chrome-wh…

yokonzo@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 07:00 collapse

I said “tech illiterate”, most people on here are going to primarily be using Firefox and other smaller competitors, but in the main stream world like it or not chrome is still huge

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 18 May 2024 07:26 collapse

Yes my original statement was that it was a better browser than Chrome

woodenskewer@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 01:29 next collapse

I use edge at work and Firefox at home. Using edge every work day for 3 years and don’t really have many complaints about it. I used to actively avoid it, but after trying it, it doesn’t really seem all that bad.

My only gripe is I infrequently have trouble logging into an Ethernet device locally.

gila@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 05:30 collapse

It dominates the market in vertical tabs IMO. I tried Vivaldi, Firefox extension, the works. The best-feeling alternative was Safari

[deleted] on 17 May 2024 23:49 next collapse

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BadlyTimedLuck@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 01:57 collapse

I think today might be the day. I’m tired of every piece of tech’s infuriatingly enshittification of things. I wanted to google something normal only for the AI to spout nonhelpful, sponsored links. I’m sick of it ALL!!! I wanna burn silicon valley down and start fresh at this point

supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz on 18 May 2024 04:48 next collapse

Do it, fucking go crazy, let all your weird fucked up dark fantasies out, as both a very chaotic person but also a very thoughtful and caring person, fucking now is the time to do it.

Linux has gotten really good, drivers are good. You can do it and your headaches will be so much less in the end.

Come over to the bright side.

Let your dark fantasies about doing lots of dirty things through the command line or whatever come true. Install a bunch of open source software and don’t even tell your husband.

It is 2024 do whatever the fuck you want, corporations have completely folded their hands and completely quit even playing the game of providing you (not rich person) with functional visions of products or even functional products. Why? I don’t even know honestly, I mean I am definitely a nerd about open source software and a raging socialist but it is truly astonishing how quick enshittification is in this late stage of 2024, it is the continual experience of standing im front of a massive glacier and watching square kilometer chunks calving and collapsing for no apparent logical reason.

mortrek@lemmy.ml on 18 May 2024 05:19 collapse

searxng is awesome. Meta search of as many or as few engines as you want with no bullshit.

ColdWater@lemmy.ca on 18 May 2024 04:53 next collapse

I fully switched to Fedora for a week now and it felt like a fresh air

enleeten@discuss.online on 18 May 2024 05:41 next collapse

It’s Bingin’ time!

Resol@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 07:38 next collapse

Windows, WHY???

cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de on 18 May 2024 12:45 next collapse

Lol

swordgeek@lemmy.ca on 18 May 2024 15:01 next collapse

How is this not fraud?

It’s a simple question. They are deliberately misleading and lying to customers for unlawful corporate gain.

swordgeek@lemmy.ca on 18 May 2024 15:05 collapse

I fought with Broadcom’s shitty website for hours, but finally have Workstation Pro, in which I will test my workflows in Linux.

Games and Lightroom will be a challenge, but I’m going to avoid Win11 at all costs.