If I understood this correctly, we had good data from other studies supporting that this method (probably) works, it’s the actually doing it that is the challenge. And of course one study is just one study.
henfredemars@infosec.pub
on 29 May 2024 03:41
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I’m glad such progress is being made, although I don’t see an actual verifiable report of the impressive claims for this patient. The linked paper doesn’t discuss the report, and no other references to this patient appear to exist from the article.
I’ve read too many truly impressive reports from Chinese researchers this year that I feel extra need to take such reports with a grain of salt. If I had a dollar for every claim that we’ve just made a major advancement in battery technology that will replace lithium-ion from a Chinese university…
Waldowal@lemmy.world
on 29 May 2024 04:43
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Something isn’t right with this article. I’m suspect:
Type 1 is where your islet cells die off and you lose insulin production. Type 2 means your insulin production is fine, but your cells are resistant to the insulin. A Type 2 should have plenty of islet cells so adding more doesn’t seem like it would do anything. Your body should regulate those cells to output the same amount of insulin as before.
This same treatment has been done in Type 1s already. It’s not new. The problem is their body eventually kills off the transplanted cells and you have to do it again. Plus, you have to take immune suppressing drugs forever.
“Despite a kidney transplant, his pancreas still doesn’t produce insulin.” - This is just nonsense.
Type 2 can have a reduced insulin production, as well as the insulin resistance. In fact, insulin resistance can put increased demand on production and exhaust the producing islet cells.
Since type 2 is not an immune system disease, in that case there’s no need for immune suppressing drugs!
Don’t understand the kidney thing either:-)
takeda@lemmy.world
on 29 May 2024 05:11
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We saw other similar news from China which turned out to be a bunk. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I would love to be wrong though.
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
on 29 May 2024 17:20
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Sad to see r/futurology racists migrating here…
hash0772@sh.itjust.works
on 30 May 2024 04:04
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Hating on China doesn’t mean you’re hating on the Chinese people.
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
on 30 May 2024 07:43
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98% Chinese people approve of their Chinese government. You are indeed hating on Chinese people. This liberal excuse is as old as time.
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 May 2024 14:06
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The fact you accept that 98% statistic with total credulity is telling. The Ceaușescu government in Romania also claimed similar levels of support. So does Putin. What’s the one thing they have in common?
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
on 30 May 2024 15:19
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I do not know about them, but I know for a fact that you have a lot in common with those NATO/Washington Nazis.
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 May 2024 15:35
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Fashjacketing anyone who criticises China’s government says more about you than me.
scratchandgame@lemmy.ml
on 30 May 2024 14:32
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This is the first time I saw you saying something correct.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world
on 29 May 2024 06:05
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This is pretty sus.
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
on 29 May 2024 17:20
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Betcha would not be sus if from white country…
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 May 2024 15:53
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Wow a study of one person?!? Sounds like a top tier scientific result. \s
refalo@programming.dev
on 29 May 2024 22:26
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China leads the world in academic fraud.
A common scam is to attribute medical miracles to stem cells - Similar to the cloning scandal from Korea - Because they know other countries legally CAN’T test the findings to either prove or discredit. They do this to fleece foreign institutions out of money and prestige.
GammaGames@beehaw.org
on 29 May 2024 22:35
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That cloning scandal was crazy! If anyone wants a decent doc series with fancy editing:
Don’t dismiss it based on that criteria. It’s a particular type of study called a case study where they go more in-depth on a particular case or set of cases. Of course it should be complemented by other types of studies, but that’s just true of science in general. The danger, of course, is when laymen and journalists get excited over something like a case study and start spreading bad advice.
FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee
on 29 May 2024 16:59
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As a type 1 diabetic with a type 2 family member I want to be excited but I cannot for the life of me be suspicious, what are the talking about with the kidney. I mean maybe I’m missing something I only have diabetes idk everything about it
Diabetes can damage the kidneys, so presumably the patient got a kidney transplant. But yeah, looks like the journalist is getting the causation the wrong way round, I can’t think of why a kidney transplant would recover pancreatic islet function.
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I want to believe, but do we have independent third parties that acknowledge the victory? Is it more than just a report?
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If I understood this correctly, we had good data from other studies supporting that this method (probably) works, it’s the actually doing it that is the challenge. And of course one study is just one study.
I’m glad such progress is being made, although I don’t see an actual verifiable report of the impressive claims for this patient. The linked paper doesn’t discuss the report, and no other references to this patient appear to exist from the article.
I’ve read too many truly impressive reports from Chinese researchers this year that I feel extra need to take such reports with a grain of salt. If I had a dollar for every claim that we’ve just made a major advancement in battery technology that will replace lithium-ion from a Chinese university…
Something isn’t right with this article. I’m suspect:
Type 1 is where your islet cells die off and you lose insulin production. Type 2 means your insulin production is fine, but your cells are resistant to the insulin. A Type 2 should have plenty of islet cells so adding more doesn’t seem like it would do anything. Your body should regulate those cells to output the same amount of insulin as before.
This same treatment has been done in Type 1s already. It’s not new. The problem is their body eventually kills off the transplanted cells and you have to do it again. Plus, you have to take immune suppressing drugs forever.
“Despite a kidney transplant, his pancreas still doesn’t produce insulin.” - This is just nonsense.
Type 2 can have a reduced insulin production, as well as the insulin resistance. In fact, insulin resistance can put increased demand on production and exhaust the producing islet cells.
Since type 2 is not an immune system disease, in that case there’s no need for immune suppressing drugs!
Don’t understand the kidney thing either:-)
We saw other similar news from China which turned out to be a bunk. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I would love to be wrong though.
Sad to see r/futurology racists migrating here…
Hating on China doesn’t mean you’re hating on the Chinese people.
98% Chinese people approve of their Chinese government. You are indeed hating on Chinese people. This liberal excuse is as old as time.
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The fact you accept that 98% statistic with total credulity is telling. The Ceaușescu government in Romania also claimed similar levels of support. So does Putin. What’s the one thing they have in common?
I do not know about them, but I know for a fact that you have a lot in common with those NATO/Washington Nazis.
Fashjacketing anyone who criticises China’s government says more about you than me.
This is the first time I saw you saying something correct.
This is pretty sus.
Betcha would not be sus if from white country…
Wow a study of one person?!? Sounds like a top tier scientific result. \s
China leads the world in academic fraud.
A common scam is to attribute medical miracles to stem cells - Similar to the cloning scandal from Korea - Because they know other countries legally CAN’T test the findings to either prove or discredit. They do this to fleece foreign institutions out of money and prestige.
That cloning scandal was crazy! If anyone wants a decent doc series with fancy editing:
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
The man who faked human cloning
How to catch a criminal cloner
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Don’t dismiss it based on that criteria. It’s a particular type of study called a case study where they go more in-depth on a particular case or set of cases. Of course it should be complemented by other types of studies, but that’s just true of science in general. The danger, of course, is when laymen and journalists get excited over something like a case study and start spreading bad advice.
As a type 1 diabetic with a type 2 family member I want to be excited but I cannot for the life of me be suspicious, what are the talking about with the kidney. I mean maybe I’m missing something I only have diabetes idk everything about it
Diabetes can damage the kidneys, so presumably the patient got a kidney transplant. But yeah, looks like the journalist is getting the causation the wrong way round, I can’t think of why a kidney transplant would recover pancreatic islet function.
Ah thank you for resurfacing that fact I forgot. But I think you are right about the causation
Another fun fact is it also causes foot problems including ingrown toe nails
I would take anything “world’s first in China” with a shit load of salt.
But also don’t automatically dismiss until we know more.