robsuto@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 11:57
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Fuck Microsoft
Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 12:02
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OOBE\BYPASSNRO and fuck Microsoft
Katzastrophe@feddit.de
on 04 Jun 2024 12:10
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That no longer works sadly
mouse@midwest.social
on 04 Jun 2024 12:31
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Unless I missed something, the article states as follows
Another method of bypassing the account lockdown still exists. You simply have to enter OOBE\BYPASSNRO in the command prompt during the Windows 11 setup process, which allows you to skip the connection to the Internet and thus also the link to a Microsoft account.
Katzastrophe@feddit.de
on 04 Jun 2024 12:42
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Tried that a few months ago with a factory new machine and it did not work. Though it might work on Pro machines
mouse@midwest.social
on 04 Jun 2024 13:20
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That’s interesting! I wonder if they are locking down factory installations.
About a month ago I was able to do it with a fresh install of Pro in a VM, I’ll do a quick test and see if it works on Home…and it works too. I had to disconnect the network and then run the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command, it rebooted and gave me the continue without network and limited setup options.
Katzastrophe@feddit.de
on 04 Jun 2024 13:25
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That’s super weird, but disconnecting the network is the only way that you can reliably setup the machine without an account in my experience
jasep@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 13:24
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Worked for me last week
echutaa@programming.dev
on 04 Jun 2024 13:25
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You just need quotes on it, ms fucked up the directory traversal “oobe/bypassnro.cmd” worked for me setting up a user machine yesterday
Katzastrophe@feddit.de
on 04 Jun 2024 13:27
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I had to refresh a pc with Windows 11 recently (unfortunately) and I can confirm it works, but I found it only works on a completely clean install, and you have to run the command IMMEDIATELY when starting setup. I had to re-install twice, because the first time I connected to Wi-Fi, and even running the command and disabling wifi, it still demanded an account. I had to wipe the drive an install a second time, then run the command right at the start of the setup process, before doing anything. THEN it let me skip connecting to internet and logging into an account.
Codilingus@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 2024 16:13
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Just burn the ISO to a USB drive with Rufus, a window full of options with check boxes will pop up, with a lot of options to turn installation bullshit.
GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 12:04
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But why don’t you just turn off the internet when setting up Windows? You don’t need any hacks for that
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 12:07
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I believe that one was patched a while ago
GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 12:13
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Never heard of it being patched so can’t tell. Btw was the old one with administrator command prompt patched too?
They did mostly. It is still possible (but can be extremely frustrating if your timing is off by fractions of a second) to disconnect a LAN cable or USB-LAN adapter (DON’T sign into a wifi network) at the right moment and cause it to ask for a name for the user account. I have taken to calling this the “AA Pullout Method.” My co-workers and myself are crass de-gens and sometimes have to trade off trying to get it to work and made it a game to see who can get it to work in the least amount of tries. Get the “title” of “pullout king.” Did you need to know this? No, but it is no less dumb than the steps below and attempts needed to just make a fucking local user on Windows 10/11 (though 10 seems to be much easier to get around).
You have to first fail at signing into a MS account. Which you can just type the letter “a” instead of an actual email address (seriously don’t have to type anything else, not even adding “@email.whatever” is needed) as if you are just using a preexisting account and not pick the “create a MS account.” It will then ask for your MS account password and just again type the letter “a.” It will then give a “Oops something went wrong” message. This is where the unplugging the cable is needed. The timing is that you need to pull the cable basically right as you let go of your left-click on the “Retry” button. So like if you are using a regular mouse it won’t register that you clicked the button until the moment you have lifted your finger. But if you fail to time it just right, it will either just cycle back to the “Sign into existing MS account” screen where you used the first “a” instead of an email. Or it will give a different message about not being online and take you back to the “Let’s get you online” network screen with your LAN adapter and wifi networks. However if you time it correctly, it will just ask for the name of the user and password.
If you forget to plug the LAN cable back in after getting the “name of user” screen, it will give the screen about not being online. If you are able to get the local user name screen, just plug your LAN back in and it will just ask the rest of the setup questions like normal. And you now have a local user account. But again, shit is super touchy about the timing. So it could take quite a number of retries to get it to work. If you have ever used the PSP/PS3/PS Vita “Hen” non-permanent “custom firmwares,” then you might know the struggle (as the hack may fail to launch until entirely too many attempts if you haven’t used them).
Llamajockey@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 12:42
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Just used this bypass 2 days ago. I’d recommend people download the current W11 installer so that the work around always works as long as you keep the device away from Internet until the OS is installed
henfredemars@infosec.pub
on 04 Jun 2024 13:07
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A few months back I installed home edition and this workaround did not work. The installer would not allow me to proceed until it could verify with Microsoft.
Jozzo@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 13:16
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Win11 doesn’t let you past setup if you dont have an internet connection.
GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 13:19
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I believe it wasn’t the case in the past. Well that sucks. I’m glad I don’t use Windows for anything except gaming now
The W11 installer sadly doesn’t allow that anymore with the current versions. If you have that older installer, keep it safely archived.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
on 04 Jun 2024 12:17
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lack of local accounting means its no longer your operating system, youre now using a perpetually required service from microsoft.
the walled garden is putting the last bricks in place. hope all you windows fans are ...happy... asking apple microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca
on 04 Jun 2024 13:06
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It’s a real shame. I guess I’ll be running Linux now.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Jun 2024 15:12
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Same here. I’ll pirate the security updates for the next 3 years and then switch. Fuck Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft.
Onihikage@beehaw.org
on 04 Jun 2024 18:58
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I switched to Bazzite not long after the Recall AI announcement, shrinking my Windows partition to leave it for just VR stuff which currently doesn’t work well outside of Windows, at least on my system. It’s pretty great! Not perfect, but the problems I have on Bazzite are similar enough in quantity and degree to problems I had on Windows that I’ve basically switched out one set of weird OS quirks for another. The big difference is now I don’t have to think about the OS being disrespectful corporate spyware.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca
on 04 Jun 2024 20:31
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That seems like a solid OS. It’s there an Ubuntu based variant?
Onihikage@beehaw.org
on 05 Jun 2024 02:51
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Not that I know of; Bazzite is completely based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, which are an immutable type of distro that makes the core OS a read-only image that all gets updated separately from system apps. The Ubuntu equivalent of Fedora Atomic Desktops is Ubuntu Core, but I don’t know if Bazzite has a Ubuntu Core-based equivalent. Bazzite is released by a group called Universal Blue, which makes prepackaged OS builds based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, with particular focus areas. Bazzite focuses on including all gaming-related tweaks, apps, configs, and optimizations out of the box, Aurora focuses on general desktop PC functionality, and Bluefin focuses on productivity, but in the end they’re all Atomic/Immutable distros based on Fedora. It’s worth poking through it all and picking one that best suits your needs.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca
on 05 Jun 2024 03:29
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What parts of the immutable OS are read only? Like filesystem wise? I’m not sure I really get it.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
on 05 Jun 2024 12:09
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The basic of immutable desktops is that every system file (what’s outside your home directory (folder) ) is readonly, you can install apps through the app store.
But I’d say Linux mint (a Non-immutable) distro is what you should try first, because it’s more user-friendly and easier to get help for.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca
on 05 Jun 2024 12:20
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Oh I’ve been using Linux for over 20 years. That’s not an issue.
I have a better idea now of what an immutable distro is thanks to your explanation. I don’t know if that’s what I would want after all.
I think I prefer the freedom of being able to modify my system files and configs as I need to customize my system as I see fit, even if it meansb potentially breaking something.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
on 05 Jun 2024 12:45
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You can edit system files with layering, but it’s not as straightforward
You can still block it easily with the command prompt (Shift+F10 during the install) as mentioned. But don't let that stop you from switching to Linux if you feel like it.
Didn’t they block the Shift-F10 workaround in 24H2?
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 04 Jun 2024 13:14
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hope all you windows fans are …happy… asking apple microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.
It’s been this way for decades, really. Apple, Google, MS, etc. Even if they let you use it without an account, they’ll literally never stop pressuring you and annoying you into signing into an account.
Apple doesn’t actually make it at all difficult to use a Mac or iOS device without an Apple account. You’re asked once during setup and that’s it. At most there’ll be a red dot in Settings>iCloud.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 04 Jun 2024 13:20
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They do, actually. There’s a bunch of first party software you can’t remove, perpetual notifications you can’t clear about setting up iCloud, etc.
There’s one notice, and it’s in the System Settings app. And it’s a little red dot beside the iCloud section. That’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing, or Even Google’s nag to use Chrome across all their Web properties.
You’re right about the first-party apps that you can’t remove, but it’s also not the same as, eg, Edge where those apps are used constantly and your preferences are reset on every update.
On my Mac I set my browser to Firefox in 2018. It’s never reverted to Safari, not once, where Windows really wants me to use Edge and goes so far as to not just reset it periodically, but also direct start menu searches and in-app web links to an ms-edge: url instead of using the http handler.
Apple has problems, but this isn’t one of them.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 04 Jun 2024 16:04
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That’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing
I didn’t say it was. It is intentionally and perpetually annoying, nonetheless.
GoogleSellsAds@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 2024 15:27
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There are none of those. You’re just lying now. Google ad boy.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 04 Jun 2024 16:09
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So sure you can, but it isn’t an awesome experience
testman@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 13:25
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tabular@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 14:01
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bdonvr@thelemmy.club
on 04 Jun 2024 15:13
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Apple doesn’t require you to make an Apple ID to use a Mac lol
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
on 04 Jun 2024 15:18
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its a xmas miracle
tabular@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 22:45
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Something tells me that could easily change.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club
on 04 Jun 2024 23:20
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Sure it could, but I think Apple makes so much on overcharging for the machine itself they don’t need to be so aggressive over data collection just logically.
Sadly I think they have to aim to do both, to make the most money as a publically traded company.
Last I heard Apple was protecting it’s users from Facebook collecting their data… by being the ones who collect it instead. Maybe that not quite right as I don’t listen to news on Apple (outside of their opposition to right to repair).
But apparently you DO need an Apple ID to access an Apple Notes file that was shared to your Android by your crazy ex who doesn’t know that without an iPhone you won’t be able to read their undoubtedly unhinged, rambling guilt trip. Thanks Apple!
We would have that freedom with Android too if those stupid banking apps stopped trying to dictate what you can run on your hardware & Google giving them more features to do so.
Hm. So are we all the way there to Win 11 not being installable in fully offline machines, or...? Because niche as that application is, it does sound like the start of a use case for a natively compatible Windows alternative from a third party (say, a FreeWin to go with FreeDOS). I know there are or have been some attempts, but... yeah, long term that seems like it would prompt more focus on something like that.
I suppose it's more likely that compatibility layers in other OSs would get there first and more practically, but still. Maybe it's time to move Windows applications from an ecosystem to a standard.
PanArab@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 12:44
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FreeWin
ReactOS has been around for a while but still in development and not production ready
RobotToaster@mander.xyz
on 04 Jun 2024 12:54
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The year of the ReactOS desktop?
On a serious note, I suspect the IOT version doesn’t have this requirement.
Codilingus@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 2024 16:14
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The IoT LTSC does not have this requirement. Or a USB made in Rufus can have it disabled.
henfredemars@infosec.pub
on 04 Jun 2024 13:06
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I’m sure enterprise editions have to allow it in some capacity. There will always be businesses that will use Windows on machines not exposed to the Internet.
With that said, this is some BS. And MS I don’t want to hear the argument that smartphone vendors do it. They shouldn’t require an account either.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz
on 04 Jun 2024 14:13
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Do you think it’s deliberate how similar that name is to “enteral”?
henfredemars@infosec.pub
on 04 Jun 2024 15:38
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Isn’t that cloud based? I don’t think can operate entirely disconnected.
darvit@lemmy.darvit.nl
on 04 Jun 2024 13:09
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Linux with wine/proton already works pretty good for running Windows programs and games outside of Windows.
haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com
on 04 Jun 2024 14:09
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In games its on par except a couple niche situations with rootkits and other anti user solutions afaik.
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 14:49
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Not if a game runs with EAC. I’m aware there IS a variant of EAC for Linux, but quite a few games I got and enjoy won’t boot up on Linux because they won’t implement the EAC variant for it.
darvit@lemmy.darvit.nl
on 04 Jun 2024 15:59
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A game I play often also has EAC but it worked on linux even on launch day using steam play and proton.
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 16:04
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I envy that. Tell BandaiNamco and DIMPS to get with the fuckin times already.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Jun 2024 12:47
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i mean you don’t need a workaround when they put this option right there when you click add account.
wander1236@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 2024 13:08
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The article is talking about the initial setup experience, where you could put in a fake email to bypass the requirement to sign in with a Microsoft account.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Jun 2024 15:21
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don’t you need one at that point to tie the windows activation to your account?
wander1236@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 2024 15:24
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Microsoft does sync activation keys to your account but the license is also embedded in the firmware in recent prebuilt laptops and desktops, so you don’t need a Microsoft account to activate.
Psychodelic@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 22:10
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I absolutely hate that. What’s wrong with just entering a key? They act like it’s difficult or they’re doing something truly impressive when it’s obvious they’re getting way more out of users having an account
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jun 2024 16:28
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Granted it was a few months ago, but I seem to recall a command prompt keystroke and a command line command that allowed skipping online install during setup.
wander1236@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 2024 16:43
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I don’t think Microsoft can reasonably block opening the command prompt and bypassing the OOBE without breaking a lot of other things, but them removing the simpler workarounds is a pretty obvious attempt to get more people to sign in with a Microsoft account.
fin@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 2024 14:00
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Lol that’s what I did after getting my new Windows laptop. Sad it’s blocked.
onlinepersona@programming.dev
on 04 Jun 2024 14:39
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That dude who predicted Windows 12 being a cloud OS was probably dead on the money.
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 15:09
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They say, until they start crying about “unsecured devices” that they assume all contribute to malware footprints despite all of the hold-outs I know having comprehensive A/V solutions lmfao
entropicshart@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 2024 15:17
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I’ve been debating for a while to switch windows to Linux and see how well it works for my games, thanks Microsoft for finally pushing me to do it!
Only thing keeping me on windows has been games (all other development use is far easier on Linux); but with the work that happened with Steam Deck, many games are now fully functional on Linux.
fernandocarletti@lemmy.eco.br
on 04 Jun 2024 16:29
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Depending on what games you are playing, it should be a breeze. I ditched my windows installation last march and no regrets so far. Most of the games I enjoy run OOB in Linux, but some that I played occasionally are not supported, so I just live without them.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 16:52
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Did the same. The writing has been on the wall for a long time, Microsoft’s anti-user behavior is only set to get worse. I made the jump to Linux (Arch) and things have been reasonably smooth. I did have a few issues with Enshrouded, but was able to get past those with Proton-GE. The only issue I haven’t worked around yet is Roblox with the kids. But, I may just have to pick up a cheap tablet for that.
Does emulating via waydroid not work for android games?
I don’t really do android games so not sure how well waydroid performs for that type of stuff - but it seems okay for a few android apps i’ve tried.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 20:42
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That is a possibility. To be honest, I haven’t tried very hard yet. I’m currently working on spinning up a Win10 VM in KVM and I’ll see how that works. And Android emulator is another good idea, I’ll have to give that a go.
The last time I tried that getting google play services working was a long, annoying process and did not work. I don’t expect google to make any of that easy for us.
fair point, i’m very used to just using f-droid, aurora, or sideloading apks from dubious places, for my phone and tablet, that i completely forget how much android stuff “needs” google services.
I got netflix running without google play, i think installed from aurora store. It needed a script to install widevide DRM that seemed to work.
But I can imagine things like games being more of a pain especially with online.
PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 16:59
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Most steam games just work. Make sure to go to settings and compatibility and let it use compatibility for all games. Look at something like bottles for a front-end to let you set up and use wine / proton for other launchers, etc….
You can also use Steam itself to run external launchers via proton! Might not be the best way, but it was super easy for a noob like me to figure out.
Let’s me play ffxiv (non steam) and bnet games quite easily!
hellofriend@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 09:40
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In order to get my copy of Cyberpunk (GOG) working I ended up running GOG Galaxy via Steam and launching the game from it. Possibly the most ape brained solution to that problem, but if it works it works lol
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
on 04 Jun 2024 18:17
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For me, working in IT, two things are keeping me on Windows:
games
IT tools only made for Windows.
Most remote access stuff is entirely Windows based. Sure, there’s clients so you can connect to Linux, Mac, whatever, from the admin console, but the plugins and whatnot that actually show you the remote users desktop are almost entirely Windows exclusive. There’s sometimes a Mac option, but almost never a Linux option.
Using something that’s more common/public, like TeamViewer isn’t really an option. There’s a plethora of business focused RMM tools that are just web apps with Windows plugins for all the heavy lifting.
The part that gets me, is that any of these tools which allow for self hosting, can have the server and client side on Linux, but the IT team doing the work only gets Windows as an option for the remote control tools.
Why do IT teams think being able to snoop any users screen is a good thing? Leave folks alone. Get authorized key consent to SSH into their box iff necessary.
laughterlaughter@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 08:36
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Why do you care what other co-workers see on your work laptop? It doesn’t belong to you.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
on 06 Jun 2024 14:51
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There’s a lot of trust required in IT. You must be a trustworthy person. Being fired for a trust related reason is basically a death sentence for an IT career. That being said, none of the tools I typically work with will provide previews of a user’s screen, or such previews will be low enough resolution that reading what is on screen is basically impossible.
When we connect to a system and get a full resolution image of what’s going on, pretty much always there’s some on screen indication of us being connected.
IMO, this is how it should be.
The only time I’ve actively tried to “spy” on a user’s activity, has been when requested to do so by a manager/owner, usually when pursuing an allegation of inappropriate use of a work computer. Even then it’s been very rare, and I can only recall one such instance of it happening at all.
As an IT person, I will say, I could care less what you do with the equipment. I’m busy enough, I don’t need to fill my day with watching you do your job. Yes, we have tools which can allow us to eavesdrop on everything you do, I don’t touch them unless I absolutely must, usually only if I’ve been ordered to.
Another poster pointed out that work resources do not belong to you and legally, they’re right. The system, including all data and work contained therein is legally the property of your employer. This includes your email and any correspondence, and anything else that work provides as a function of your employment. If you create an excel work sheet that does some data processing for you, or reformats information in a better way, during work hours, that sheet isn’t yours. The ownership of the sheet is your employer. Though you did the work in creating it, your employer owns it because they paid you for the time/effort to do so.
Personally, I do whatever I can to avoid interacting with users unique files. I recently refused to work on someone’s personal iPhone because it contained personal data. Though their work email was probably present on the device, I didn’t want to touch it. I did however, provide instructions for them to do what they were asking themselves.
When interacting with work-owned systems, I’ll modify the registry, and run command line commands without the users knowledge, in an effort to reduce the disruption to their workflow, while solving an issue. Generally this is when I have a request from that user, or the company, to get something done, such as install a piece of software. You’ll be working away and poof, new software appears.
Anyone in IT unnecessarily snooping in on your files, can be fired with cause, ruining their career, if they’re caught.
We have access to everything, and I mean everything, in an organization. Your email, files, databases, software… Partly for troubleshooting, and partly for performing backups. If we don’t directly have access, typically we have permission to grant access, so we can grant ourselves permission to access whatever we need to. This means that IT is one of the highest trust areas of the business. We can read the CEO’s emails, send mail as anyone, access everyone’s files, and delete all data on everything in such a way that it is impossible to recover. We need the access to do our jobs and violating the trust we have with that access, is unforgivable and a career-ending event.
I will say that I have not met any IT professionals who will snoop, spy, eavesdrop, or otherwise examine what you do or what data you have or interact with, without a good reason. If it happens, it’s likely that someone else, such as a manager, has requested that we do. We are merely the middleman in that scenario. Bluntly, we’re too busy than to just do it for kicks.
If any IT professional has violated trust, I would report it to management. It is grossly inappropriate to access a user’s system without just cause.
As for notifications, that varies depending on the request. I typically only inform people when I need to remotely control their desktop (interrupting their work) and I’m generally very receptive to being asked to wait before connecting so any sensitive information can be dealt with and closed before the session is established. I have no issue with that. I don’t need, nor want to know any more than I do. I’m never looking for illicit or illegal things unless they are creating a problem (excessive bandwidth use, excessive disk use, etc). For the most part, I try to stay in my lane. I’m here to help, not spy on you to get you fired.
Thanks for confirming some of my suspicions about how it all actually operates & the reasons for doing so.
I really just don’t like this in principle as it is way too easy to accidentally do private stuff out of convenience on a machine which is why I do like I said with BYOD & will be present for all attempts to troubleshoot a device. I don’t really see a conceptual different in my digital desktop vs. my physical one & I wouldn’t let an employer install a camera at my desk just as much or would I think it is cool for a business to have cameras in the bathroom just because they own the rental agreement. It feels like there should be some form of privacy even in these digital scenarios that never happens & it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Is there a solution to allowing users privacy in their system or is it only considered fully private property?
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
on 06 Jun 2024 21:52
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Legally, it’s fully owned by the company.
My current workplace uses mostly cloud desktops. Basically, even if you’re using a personal system, you install a remote desktop client software (it provides access to another system, it does not allow access to your system), which is used to connect to a server farm of virtual desktop servers. So the work desktop you use kind of overlays itself on your system. Your system is still there, humming away in the background, with it’s only task being to shuffle your input up to the cloud, and bring down the images of your cloud desktop and display them.
There’s some other features, but that’s the core of it. We use a third party “remote monitoring and management” (RMM) tool to administrate company owned systems. You are perfectly capable of using the remote desktop client on a system that’s not company owned. I like this model, since you can minimize or close the remote desktop at any time, and since we (the IT team) have full access to the remote desktop server farm, we can connect to your remote desktop session and see what you see, but only what’s within the remote window. We can’t escape it to see your computer. So if you have a problem with your work stuff, we have access to that. If you have a problem with your personal computer, we need to use a one-time-use (or ad-hoc) remote connection software like LogMeIn or something similar (specifically the LMI rescue type feature set). Once we disconnect from your personal system after doing whatever troubleshooting you asked for, we lose access to that system.
The programs change, but they do the same thing in concept. There are a number of company owned laptops and desktops we have our RMM tools on which allow us to dive into a system whenever we want.
I run a homelab, personally, and when my workplace does not give me the necessary stuff to be productive from home, what I do is build a small virtual system on my home lab, which I remote into when I work (from my desktop), so I can maintain a work/personal division. It’s similar to the cloud system I’m doing at my current job, but the “remote” desktop is a VM on a server in my basement. Other times I’ve been given a laptop, and I’ll set it up in a corner and turn on its built in remote desktop service (to allow remote desktop connections into it), then use the same protocols to connect to my work laptop.
When I’m done work, I just shut down the remote desktop connection and poof, back to my stuff on my PC.
With my current job I went another way, I got a KVM switch, which allows me to switch between two physical computers at the push of a button. (KVM is keyboard/video/mouse) When I’m done work now, I push a button and my screens (I have several) and KB/mouse all switch back to my personal desktop. Same idea but different.
I couldn’t imagine using my personal computer to do work stuff directly. That’s just not kosher in my mind. I have work’s RMM and tools all installed on the system I use for work, and my personal system is entirely free of such things.
I also want to include a short story. Recently a client started a ticket about our company logo being on their personal computer. I grabbed that ticket up and immediately identified the system, and removed it from our system. I followed up with the user to verify that by removing it from our system, the icon disappeared (indicating our monitor agent was fully uninstalled), they confirmed, and I closed the ticket. I kept thinking it’s grossly inappropriate for our software to be on their personal system, and I wanted to get it fixed ASAP. Not everyone is the same, I’ve known users that want or e remote management tools on their personal systems. I don’t understand it, but I can’t tell them that it can’t be there either (the customer is always right, applies in this context).
As I hope I’ve demonstrated, neither myself, nor anyone I work with, nor anyone I’ve worked with in the past, would ever take such an opportunity to snoop or spy on them, but I’d rather not have that liability hanging over my company. All it takes is for one person to have the software on there and accuse us of stealing their private data (say, leud pictures) and publically posting that information on the internet, and I’m sure the policy would change. Of course, we wouldn’t do that, but all it would take is the accusation.
It’s a bad day for us when we see something we shouldn’t, especially if upon seeing it, we’re morally obligated to contact the authorities (in the case of illegal content such as child porn). If course, if something like that is observed by a tech, we must do something about it, but we don’t want to have to get involved in that sort of thing, so we’re pretty careful about it. To put it simply, we’re not looking for anything, and we don’t want to snoop through your stuff, because if we d
That I could prefer: using a remote VM for the work & being able to opt out of a company provisioned device if possibre. It’s much easier to not pollute a VM & you will want to disable it as soon as you are done anyhow to free up local resources/connections.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 22:53
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I just did it with Linux Mint. Works great. No issues so far. Just do it.
nephs@lemmygrad.ml
on 05 Jun 2024 04:04
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I use a combo of lutris and proton, if you’re looking for keywords.
dinckelman@lemmy.world
on 05 Jun 2024 16:17
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I have yet to find even one game, from the stuff i play, that doesn’t work as well, or better. Obvious exceptions include games with a client anticheat though
hellofriend@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 09:38
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Was a bitch for me to get HOMM3 set up. But in the end I got it working. Would certainly be more plug n play on Windows, but I don’t mind a little inconvenience if it means I’m not supporting from fuckass tech bro that wants my data.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 15:20
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Back in the day, using Windows was essentially a long series of fucking around with configurations and trying different workarounds to get things to “go”. The actual using of the computer was, in a way, secondary.
Nothing has changed. Many many years ago I bought a used Apple to try it out and was just - astounded at how little I needed to mess with things to get them to do what I wanted. It was all in settings. That’s it.
Watching Microsoft leap headfirst into full evil is just like watching the seasons change.
semperverus@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 15:52
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And y’all say that linux users don’t value their time… smh
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 16:19
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In them days Linux was even more about messing around with configurations and finding workarounds. It came on floppies, and as it loaded it made these kind of grinding, farting sounds. We would install it with an onion tied to our belt - which was the style at the time.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jun 2024 16:42
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Hahaha! I’ve been dabbling in live USB thumbdrive copies of various flavors of Linux to see which one I want to go to for a while. Did a few years back and thought, “you know, my time is worth something to me, maybe I’ll give Windows a go, 10 seems pretty stable.”
Booted up Debian Cinnamon, couldn’t get two-finger right click to work on the Synaptics config out of box, it had a few arbitrary prefs for whatever the devs decided people would probably use. Tried Debian Gnome. It had trackpad settings that were more in line with what I expected… Not giving up, but it did make me pause, because I know one can reconfigure the trackpad driver under the hood, but did I really want to jump down the rabbit hole of bespoke shellscripts again just so my audio driver correctly wakes from sleep (if it can even successfully sleep)?
Other funny to figure out, the computer has iGPU and dGPU, both were active and the battery life was maybe 2 hours. Another thing to figure out with bespoke configurations.
So it’s like, Windows and Linux (and lesser, MacOS) pain is definitely there, it is just kinda what kind of pain do you want to subscribe to? Linux pain will probably only occur during initial setup and maybe every few years when a major OS release comes out. MacOS pain is even more rare, unless a major OS release comes out with something you don’t like and you have to find where in the OS frameworks the feature is to disable it, if they have hooks in which to do. Windows pain is…every Tuesday.
“Oh here’s a new lock screen weather widget”
“Oh cool, I can get on board with that!”
Next week:
“Oh, here’s a new stocks and news widget to go along with the weather.”
“Hold on there buddy, I didn’t sign up for the first and you’ve pushed two more? Time to shut those two off. Oh, it’s all or nothing, thanks! Nothing it is.”
“Don’t worry, we’ll reinstall Dev Home next week and flag it a system app so you can’t uninstall it, and then we’ll force Copilot to be present, and then we’re going to screw with the start menu, and then we’re going to delete WordPad, and reinstall all those Office/cloud 365 shim apps and and and.” That was like, last month.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jun 2024 16:26
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So you’ve obviously never had to use defaults write com.apple.stupidpreference.fix bool true
Apple has a lot less nonsense than Microsoft, but the amount of nonsense is greater than zero. What’s really annoying (on their mobile platform specifically) is when certain problems occur on iOS that would have been completely solvable on MacOS with a command line tool, but you have to erase the phone because Apple doesn’t give you access to the OS.
MacOS is already deprecating the Keychain access tool, which will obfuscate more of the OS security from the user and make it more iOS-like in trying to fix failures.
Apple is enshittifying in absence of Jobs, they’re just behind Microsoft by one or two decades.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 18:35
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Mm hmm.
okamiueru@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 19:59
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The amount of time I’ve spent getting my MacOS to not be annoying… it’s such a shit experience compared to Gnome/Linux. Every single day I use MacOS, I find a new annoying inconsistency, or either poor or directly bad UX design decision or implementation.
Next time I look for a place to work, I’d consider Windows or MacOS to require at least 30% higher salary to be worth the annoyance.
Previously the fucking around was drivers, HAL, compatibility etc. now it’s a goddamn delousing
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 15:20
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I’ve heard you can use a cheap local RADIUS server to establish a local domain. Anyone attempt this?
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jun 2024 16:45
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Having to do the meta-workaround of running another computer to make your computer usable is just…don’t get me wrong, I love running infrastructure, but that seems like it should be unnecessary just to use a computer.
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 21:10
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Not Radius,Samba. But yes. In theory the Samba server can even run on a VM on the same PC(but that makes it really messy).
Raspi or similar is far easier.
Univention offers a ready made distro for that,but not for ARM, though.
ofcourse@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 15:31
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Wouldn’t it be possible to buy a new PC, open the box, and return it right after because you cannot set it up without internet?
If enough people do it, may be PC manufacturers will force Microsoft to add offline setups.
SecureTaco@lemmy.asc6.org
on 04 Jun 2024 17:26
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Funny you say that, setting it up without internet is one of the few ways left to still be able to create a local account.
ofcourse@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 17:38
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If I understand correctly from the article, you have to enter ‘OOBE\BYPASSNRO’ in command prompt during installation to prevent it from asking to connect to internet. If that’s the only way to set up a local account, that’s hardly an accessible option.
Aileks@lemmygrad.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 19:10
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As as I said in my other comment: you can unplug your ethernet cable, and on Win 11 Pro and above there’s an “I don’t have internet” button you can click.
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on 06 Jun 2024 07:27
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linearchaos@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 21:37
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There’s no clear path from getting the computer out of the box just setting it up without internet. If you call the manufacturer and they know what the hell they’re doing they’ll walk you through doing the OOBE no internet fix. It just needs to be an option in the damn operating system. The fact that they’re hiding it from you is unconscionable.
It was not an option one week ago when i tested it. Maybe because I was in WiFi range and Microsoft assumed you have to know the password to at least one of them to pass the wifi screen. No skip button. But could create a new account as unverified using gmail address.
In my company, people were shocked at the hint I might change their Windows to Linux on a whim. They’re all so attached to Windows.
And I was joking!
hellofriend@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 09:28
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Tbh I see this as a problem. For instance, I’ve been considering going into politics and one of my main concerns is the security of our government’s information. Right now the Americans could have a direct line of access to all of our doings simply because we use Windows. Not to mention there’s the matter of Recall which, while not implemented in Windows 10, will likely be included when the government switches from Windows 10. That itself is a huge security risk. So the only options are to implement an existing Linux distro or to fork and maintain one specifically for the government. And that would be all well and good if it didn’t require retraining every government employee to use Linux.
masterbaexunn@lemmy.world
on 05 Jun 2024 15:59
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My mom actually said my windows mac the other day…
bl4kers@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jun 2024 00:12
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If people didn’t do this it would happen faster. Not everyone has the luxury of immediately switching, just like the “move to another state” argument
Yeah but on the other hand you also have to wrestle with Linux a lot, and personally usually a lot more time wise. It’s all tradeoffs and what people care more about.
nephs@lemmygrad.ml
on 05 Jun 2024 04:02
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At least Linux isn’t trying to milk you for its own gain.
bamfic@lemmy.world
on 05 Jun 2024 04:26
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true, but you’re not fighting malice or greed, you’re fighting laziness and arrogance. diffeeent vibe.
hellofriend@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 09:22
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I’m not entirely certain about that. For instance, on Linux I always have to look up how to create symlinks even though I’ve been using the OS exclusively for three years. On Windows, it is: Right click -> Create shortcut. It’s easier for most people to remember a 2 action process than a console command with multiple options and specific syntax. But of course, this is only one example and doesn’t apply to everything. For instance, I have absolutely no trouble remembering mkdir, cp, or rm. I think it’s a bit of a mixed bag.
To some extent that is true. But on the other hand, Windows is both usually easier to learn (has a UI for 99% of stuff, basic design principles dictate that it’s much easier to remember what to click on than what to type), and it just works. I rarely have to interact with the OS in any way to get something to work. I’ve tried multiple times to switch to Linux, but it just has so much stuff that doesn’t work out of the box, or at all. Da Vinci Resolve has a native version which is completely broken, Dota 2 has a native version but doesn’t pre compile shaders, so whenever e.g. I open a new hero in the hero list it lags for 1-2s, many games with anti cheat don’t work, good luck with anything in VR, no popular distro that I’ve seen has a clipboard and the ones I found online are just worse than the Windows one, etc.
I want to switch, I really do, but I’m already a power user on Windows, I would have to learn a lot to be on the same level on Linux, add onto that the fact that a lot of stuf that’s important to me just doesn’t work properly on Linux, it just doesn’t make sense for me, and for most people they’re gonna be a lot less willing to switch. Most people will not bother trying to change something, even if it’s objectively better. Most people just want to stick with what already works for them, and until Linux is able to just work with no need for user intervention, especially through terminals which people fear, it’s still a long way from mainstream adoption.
ColdWater@lemmy.ca
on 04 Jun 2024 15:49
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Luckily m$ didn’t block option to install Linux by permanently enable secure boot and lock bootloader right?
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Psychodelic@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 22:08
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Would something like that only apply to store-bought PCs? Or could they somehow lock a motherboard you bought separately? Sorry, no idea how bootloaders work, despite unlocking em plenty of times on Android phones in the past
I’m assuming one would still be able to switch to a local account after installation, but you really shouldn’t need to. What a shit show.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 19:20
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That would still require you to create an account, which is the part of the process people object to.
Aileks@lemmygrad.ml
on 04 Jun 2024 19:09
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You can still easily bypass it with other methods, like unplugging your ethernet cable. Even if you don’t have an ethernet cable you can unplug, the WiFi screen has an “I don’t have internet” button on Windows 11 Pro and above. Not sure about Home, but there are other alternative ways. It’s still really shitty they keep trying to force this on people.
bfg9k@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 2024 20:21
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Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org
on 05 Jun 2024 05:01
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On a new install, before powering up, make sure you don’t start it up with Ethernet plugged in, when you get to the Wi-Fi connection stage hit Ctrl+f10
Type in
oobe\bypassnro
And press enter. The computer will restart and now when you get to the Wi-Fi connection screen you’ll have a like that says “I don’t have internet”.
magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Jun 2024 10:01
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Always online with kernel-level anti-cheat has a tendency to not work, but that is probably a red flag since there are thousands of different games you can play that don’t snoop around ring-0
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz
on 05 Jun 2024 16:25
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If I can control my fans and my GPU in Linux the way I can in Windows I will.
magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Jun 2024 04:48
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Will need more info then I can recommend some software
It’s not a simple one to one. Everyone’s use case and experience is different. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all in on the FOSS train and I don’t approve of Microsoft’s direction with Windows but it’s still a consistently hassle-free experience compared to Linux for people who just don’t wanna deal with distros, terminals, repositories or compatibility layers.
Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org
on 07 Jun 2024 20:48
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No, only a “normies” exploit involving using a defunct email address is getting blocked.
laughterlaughter@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 08:03
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…aaaand I will never switch to Windows 11.
But then, I’m a hypocrite, because I have to create an account to use Android.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
on 06 Jun 2024 09:44
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Forced accounts are evil - including Android. Here’s my Android story:
When I got my first Android phone, my intention was to not have an account - or at least have as much isolation between any account and my actual usage as possible. So I decline account creation when I first started using the phone, and told the phone to only store all contacts locally. That worked, and I was pretty happy with it. But later, I wanted to download a couple of basic apps from the app store - and that required an account. So I created a bogus account to download the apps. …
After creating the account to download stuff, I noticed that the contacts had automatically associated themselves with that new account had automatically uploaded all my contacts and personal info to google to sync with this account. This is precisely the thing I was trying to avoid in the first place. So, I immediately logged into that account via google’s website and told it to not store any contact info, and to delete all existing info. Which it did.
But then some time later… the account again decided to sync with my phone - this time to delete all the contacts from my phone (presumably because I’d deleted them from the online account). So although I’d gone to some deliberate lengths to tell my phone to only store data locally and to not upload it, what i ended up with was all personal data uploaded, and then purged from my phone. I had to try to restore my contacts from an ancient sim-card backup from my old phone.
Since then, I’ve decided that I will not use a google account for my phone for any reason, ever. I’ve use F-droid and the Aurora store instead. (But actually I very rarely use any apps anyway.)
because I have to create an account to use Android…
You don’t. Look into degoogled ROMs, MicroG, Aurora store, and f-droid.
laughterlaughter@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 12:32
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Oh sure, sure. My point is that Google asked for the same thing as MS, and I mindlessly gave it to them.
I’ll look into degoogling at some point.
Psychodelic@lemmy.world
on 06 Jun 2024 21:41
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One difference is there was already value with having a gmail account. What’s the point of getting a Microsoft account? The only thing I can see is it makes settings set up/transfer easy between PCs and for reinstalls.
Except, if I’m reinstalling, I can’t imagine waiting to copy settings since one of those settings is probably causing a problem and I don’t want it to be automatically set for me. I also don’t use the Microsoft store so…
Does anyone else actually get value from their Microsoft account? If not, It just feels like it’s only purpose is giving them (more) access to your computer. Why would anyone want that?
deFrisselle@lemmy.sdf.org
on 06 Jun 2024 08:24
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Fuck Microsoft
OOBE\BYPASSNRO and fuck Microsoft
That no longer works sadly
Unless I missed something, the article states as follows
Tried that a few months ago with a factory new machine and it did not work. Though it might work on Pro machines
That’s interesting! I wonder if they are locking down factory installations.
About a month ago I was able to do it with a fresh install of Pro in a VM, I’ll do a quick test and see if it works on Home…and it works too. I had to disconnect the network and then run the
OOBE\BYPASSNRO
command, it rebooted and gave me the continue without network and limited setup options.That’s super weird, but disconnecting the network is the only way that you can reliably setup the machine without an account in my experience
Worked for me last week
You just need quotes on it, ms fucked up the directory traversal “oobe/bypassnro.cmd” worked for me setting up a user machine yesterday
Of course they did, urg
I had to refresh a pc with Windows 11 recently (unfortunately) and I can confirm it works, but I found it only works on a completely clean install, and you have to run the command IMMEDIATELY when starting setup. I had to re-install twice, because the first time I connected to Wi-Fi, and even running the command and disabling wifi, it still demanded an account. I had to wipe the drive an install a second time, then run the command right at the start of the setup process, before doing anything. THEN it let me skip connecting to internet and logging into an account.
Just burn the ISO to a USB drive with Rufus, a window full of options with check boxes will pop up, with a lot of options to turn installation bullshit.
But why don’t you just turn off the internet when setting up Windows? You don’t need any hacks for that
I believe that one was patched a while ago
Never heard of it being patched so can’t tell. Btw was the old one with administrator command prompt patched too?
It worked as of six months ago, but it is possible that was patched in this recent “fix”.
They did mostly. It is still possible (but can be extremely frustrating if your timing is off by fractions of a second) to disconnect a LAN cable or USB-LAN adapter (DON’T sign into a wifi network) at the right moment and cause it to ask for a name for the user account. I have taken to calling this the “AA Pullout Method.” My co-workers and myself are crass de-gens and sometimes have to trade off trying to get it to work and made it a game to see who can get it to work in the least amount of tries. Get the “title” of “pullout king.” Did you need to know this? No, but it is no less dumb than the steps below and attempts needed to just make a fucking local user on Windows 10/11 (though 10 seems to be much easier to get around).
You have to first fail at signing into a MS account. Which you can just type the letter “a” instead of an actual email address (seriously don’t have to type anything else, not even adding “@email.whatever” is needed) as if you are just using a preexisting account and not pick the “create a MS account.” It will then ask for your MS account password and just again type the letter “a.” It will then give a “Oops something went wrong” message. This is where the unplugging the cable is needed. The timing is that you need to pull the cable basically right as you let go of your left-click on the “Retry” button. So like if you are using a regular mouse it won’t register that you clicked the button until the moment you have lifted your finger. But if you fail to time it just right, it will either just cycle back to the “Sign into existing MS account” screen where you used the first “a” instead of an email. Or it will give a different message about not being online and take you back to the “Let’s get you online” network screen with your LAN adapter and wifi networks. However if you time it correctly, it will just ask for the name of the user and password.
If you forget to plug the LAN cable back in after getting the “name of user” screen, it will give the screen about not being online. If you are able to get the local user name screen, just plug your LAN back in and it will just ask the rest of the setup questions like normal. And you now have a local user account. But again, shit is super touchy about the timing. So it could take quite a number of retries to get it to work. If you have ever used the PSP/PS3/PS Vita “Hen” non-permanent “custom firmwares,” then you might know the struggle (as the hack may fail to launch until entirely too many attempts if you haven’t used them).
Just used this bypass 2 days ago. I’d recommend people download the current W11 installer so that the work around always works as long as you keep the device away from Internet until the OS is installed
A few months back I installed home edition and this workaround did not work. The installer would not allow me to proceed until it could verify with Microsoft.
Win11 doesn’t let you past setup if you dont have an internet connection.
I believe it wasn’t the case in the past. Well that sucks. I’m glad I don’t use Windows for anything except gaming now
The W11 installer sadly doesn’t allow that anymore with the current versions. If you have that older installer, keep it safely archived.
lack of local accounting means its no longer your operating system, youre now using a perpetually required service from microsoft.
the walled garden is putting the last bricks in place. hope all you windows fans are ...happy... asking
applemicrosoft for permission to use your own hardware.It’s a real shame. I guess I’ll be running Linux now.
Same here. I’ll pirate the security updates for the next 3 years and then switch. Fuck Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft.
I switched to Bazzite not long after the Recall AI announcement, shrinking my Windows partition to leave it for just VR stuff which currently doesn’t work well outside of Windows, at least on my system. It’s pretty great! Not perfect, but the problems I have on Bazzite are similar enough in quantity and degree to problems I had on Windows that I’ve basically switched out one set of weird OS quirks for another. The big difference is now I don’t have to think about the OS being disrespectful corporate spyware.
That seems like a solid OS. It’s there an Ubuntu based variant?
Not that I know of; Bazzite is completely based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, which are an immutable type of distro that makes the core OS a read-only image that all gets updated separately from system apps. The Ubuntu equivalent of Fedora Atomic Desktops is Ubuntu Core, but I don’t know if Bazzite has a Ubuntu Core-based equivalent. Bazzite is released by a group called Universal Blue, which makes prepackaged OS builds based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, with particular focus areas. Bazzite focuses on including all gaming-related tweaks, apps, configs, and optimizations out of the box, Aurora focuses on general desktop PC functionality, and Bluefin focuses on productivity, but in the end they’re all Atomic/Immutable distros based on Fedora. It’s worth poking through it all and picking one that best suits your needs.
What parts of the immutable OS are read only? Like filesystem wise? I’m not sure I really get it.
The basic of immutable desktops is that every system file (what’s outside your home directory (folder) ) is readonly, you can install apps through the app store.
But I’d say Linux mint (a Non-immutable) distro is what you should try first, because it’s more user-friendly and easier to get help for.
Oh I’ve been using Linux for over 20 years. That’s not an issue.
I have a better idea now of what an immutable distro is thanks to your explanation. I don’t know if that’s what I would want after all.
I think I prefer the freedom of being able to modify my system files and configs as I need to customize my system as I see fit, even if it meansb potentially breaking something.
You can edit system files with layering, but it’s not as straightforward
You can still block it easily with the command prompt (Shift+F10 during the install) as mentioned. But don't let that stop you from switching to Linux if you feel like it.
Didn’t they block the Shift-F10 workaround in 24H2?
It’s been this way for decades, really. Apple, Google, MS, etc. Even if they let you use it without an account, they’ll literally never stop pressuring you and annoying you into signing into an account.
Apple doesn’t actually make it at all difficult to use a Mac or iOS device without an Apple account. You’re asked once during setup and that’s it. At most there’ll be a red dot in Settings>iCloud.
They do, actually. There’s a bunch of first party software you can’t remove, perpetual notifications you can’t clear about setting up iCloud, etc.
There’s one notice, and it’s in the System Settings app. And it’s a little red dot beside the iCloud section. That’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing, or Even Google’s nag to use Chrome across all their Web properties.
You’re right about the first-party apps that you can’t remove, but it’s also not the same as, eg, Edge where those apps are used constantly and your preferences are reset on every update.
On my Mac I set my browser to Firefox in 2018. It’s never reverted to Safari, not once, where Windows really wants me to use Edge and goes so far as to not just reset it periodically, but also direct start menu searches and in-app web links to an ms-edge: url instead of using the http handler.
Apple has problems, but this isn’t one of them.
I didn’t say it was. It is intentionally and perpetually annoying, nonetheless.
There are none of those. You’re just lying now. Google ad boy.
Okay.
You can’t use a lot of apps without it
So sure you can, but it isn’t an awesome experience
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This personnel computer
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“Our Computer”
This is awfully deep. We live in a society.
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Wait, a proprietary OS is someone else’s computer?
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Apple doesn’t require you to make an Apple ID to use a Mac lol
its a xmas miracle
Something tells me that could easily change.
Sure it could, but I think Apple makes so much on overcharging for the machine itself they don’t need to be so aggressive over data collection just logically.
Sadly I think they have to aim to do both, to make the most money as a publically traded company.
Last I heard Apple was protecting it’s users from Facebook collecting their data… by being the ones who collect it instead. Maybe that not quite right as I don’t listen to news on Apple (outside of their opposition to right to repair).
But apparently you DO need an Apple ID to access an Apple Notes file that was shared to your Android by your crazy ex who doesn’t know that without an iPhone you won’t be able to read their undoubtedly unhinged, rambling guilt trip. Thanks Apple!
Hate it when that happens
The Cask of Amontillado?
We would have that freedom with Android too if those stupid banking apps stopped trying to dictate what you can run on your hardware & Google giving them more features to do so.
This☝️person knows what we are talking about!
Use shift f10 and edit the registry… They aren’t disabling that until they have a better solution for autopilot.
May not work for home editions…
Tried that on the last install i had to do. Doesnt always anymore. Task manager was hidden by the setup a few times when i did that :(
I ended up using rufus to patch iso pre-extraction hehe :)
Hm. So are we all the way there to Win 11 not being installable in fully offline machines, or...? Because niche as that application is, it does sound like the start of a use case for a natively compatible Windows alternative from a third party (say, a FreeWin to go with FreeDOS). I know there are or have been some attempts, but... yeah, long term that seems like it would prompt more focus on something like that.
I suppose it's more likely that compatibility layers in other OSs would get there first and more practically, but still. Maybe it's time to move Windows applications from an ecosystem to a standard.
ReactOS has been around for a while but still in development and not production ready
Almost 30 years and still basically useless.
The year of the ReactOS desktop?
On a serious note, I suspect the IOT version doesn’t have this requirement.
The IoT LTSC does not have this requirement. Or a USB made in Rufus can have it disabled.
I’m sure enterprise editions have to allow it in some capacity. There will always be businesses that will use Windows on machines not exposed to the Internet.
With that said, this is some BS. And MS I don’t want to hear the argument that smartphone vendors do it. They shouldn’t require an account either.
Microsoft would like to introduce you to EntraID.
That’s the enterprise version of this.
Do you think it’s deliberate how similar that name is to “enteral”?
Isn’t that cloud based? I don’t think can operate entirely disconnected.
Linux with wine/proton already works pretty good for running Windows programs and games outside of Windows.
In games its on par except a couple niche situations with rootkits and other anti user solutions afaik.
Not if a game runs with EAC. I’m aware there IS a variant of EAC for Linux, but quite a few games I got and enjoy won’t boot up on Linux because they won’t implement the EAC variant for it.
A game I play often also has EAC but it worked on linux even on launch day using steam play and proton.
I envy that. Tell BandaiNamco and DIMPS to get with the fuckin times already.
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i mean you don’t need a workaround when they put this option right there when you click add account.
The article is talking about the initial setup experience, where you could put in a fake email to bypass the requirement to sign in with a Microsoft account.
don’t you need one at that point to tie the windows activation to your account?
Microsoft does sync activation keys to your account but the license is also embedded in the firmware in recent prebuilt laptops and desktops, so you don’t need a Microsoft account to activate.
I absolutely hate that. What’s wrong with just entering a key? They act like it’s difficult or they’re doing something truly impressive when it’s obvious they’re getting way more out of users having an account
Granted it was a few months ago, but I seem to recall a command prompt keystroke and a command line command that allowed skipping online install during setup.
I don’t think Microsoft can reasonably block opening the command prompt and bypassing the OOBE without breaking a lot of other things, but them removing the simpler workarounds is a pretty obvious attempt to get more people to sign in with a Microsoft account.
Lol that’s what I did after getting my new Windows laptop. Sad it’s blocked.
That dude who predicted Windows 12 being a cloud OS was probably dead on the money.
Anti Commercial-AI license
How would a cloud OS even work? Like what would your PC boot in to?
Probably a minimal environment that streams the desktop to you. Must be the smallest windows install on a local PC ever.
Anti Commercial-AI license
And like that, they just ensured I’m never moving on from 10.
M$ be like, fine, we didn’t want you anyway
They say, until they start crying about “unsecured devices” that they assume all contribute to malware footprints despite all of the hold-outs I know having comprehensive A/V solutions lmfao
Do people avoid Chromebooks for the same reason?
I’ve been debating for a while to switch windows to Linux and see how well it works for my games, thanks Microsoft for finally pushing me to do it!
Only thing keeping me on windows has been games (all other development use is far easier on Linux); but with the work that happened with Steam Deck, many games are now fully functional on Linux.
Depending on what games you are playing, it should be a breeze. I ditched my windows installation last march and no regrets so far. Most of the games I enjoy run OOB in Linux, but some that I played occasionally are not supported, so I just live without them.
Did the same. The writing has been on the wall for a long time, Microsoft’s anti-user behavior is only set to get worse. I made the jump to Linux (Arch) and things have been reasonably smooth. I did have a few issues with Enshrouded, but was able to get past those with Proton-GE. The only issue I haven’t worked around yet is Roblox with the kids. But, I may just have to pick up a cheap tablet for that.
Does emulating via waydroid not work for android games? I don’t really do android games so not sure how well waydroid performs for that type of stuff - but it seems okay for a few android apps i’ve tried.
That is a possibility. To be honest, I haven’t tried very hard yet. I’m currently working on spinning up a Win10 VM in KVM and I’ll see how that works. And Android emulator is another good idea, I’ll have to give that a go.
The last time I tried that getting google play services working was a long, annoying process and did not work. I don’t expect google to make any of that easy for us.
fair point, i’m very used to just using f-droid, aurora, or sideloading apks from dubious places, for my phone and tablet, that i completely forget how much android stuff “needs” google services.
I got netflix running without google play, i think installed from aurora store. It needed a script to install widevide DRM that seemed to work.
But I can imagine things like games being more of a pain especially with online.
Most steam games just work. Make sure to go to settings and compatibility and let it use compatibility for all games. Look at something like bottles for a front-end to let you set up and use wine / proton for other launchers, etc….
You can also use Steam itself to run external launchers via proton! Might not be the best way, but it was super easy for a noob like me to figure out.
Let’s me play ffxiv (non steam) and bnet games quite easily!
In order to get my copy of Cyberpunk (GOG) working I ended up running GOG Galaxy via Steam and launching the game from it. Possibly the most ape brained solution to that problem, but if it works it works lol
For me, working in IT, two things are keeping me on Windows:
Most remote access stuff is entirely Windows based. Sure, there’s clients so you can connect to Linux, Mac, whatever, from the admin console, but the plugins and whatnot that actually show you the remote users desktop are almost entirely Windows exclusive. There’s sometimes a Mac option, but almost never a Linux option.
Using something that’s more common/public, like TeamViewer isn’t really an option. There’s a plethora of business focused RMM tools that are just web apps with Windows plugins for all the heavy lifting.
The part that gets me, is that any of these tools which allow for self hosting, can have the server and client side on Linux, but the IT team doing the work only gets Windows as an option for the remote control tools.
Infuriating.
Why do IT teams think being able to snoop any users screen is a good thing? Leave folks alone. Get authorized key consent to SSH into their box iff necessary.
This is why I only work with BYOD operations…
Well said!👏
Why do you care what other co-workers see on your work laptop? It doesn’t belong to you.
There’s a lot of trust required in IT. You must be a trustworthy person. Being fired for a trust related reason is basically a death sentence for an IT career. That being said, none of the tools I typically work with will provide previews of a user’s screen, or such previews will be low enough resolution that reading what is on screen is basically impossible.
When we connect to a system and get a full resolution image of what’s going on, pretty much always there’s some on screen indication of us being connected.
IMO, this is how it should be.
The only time I’ve actively tried to “spy” on a user’s activity, has been when requested to do so by a manager/owner, usually when pursuing an allegation of inappropriate use of a work computer. Even then it’s been very rare, and I can only recall one such instance of it happening at all.
As an IT person, I will say, I could care less what you do with the equipment. I’m busy enough, I don’t need to fill my day with watching you do your job. Yes, we have tools which can allow us to eavesdrop on everything you do, I don’t touch them unless I absolutely must, usually only if I’ve been ordered to.
Another poster pointed out that work resources do not belong to you and legally, they’re right. The system, including all data and work contained therein is legally the property of your employer. This includes your email and any correspondence, and anything else that work provides as a function of your employment. If you create an excel work sheet that does some data processing for you, or reformats information in a better way, during work hours, that sheet isn’t yours. The ownership of the sheet is your employer. Though you did the work in creating it, your employer owns it because they paid you for the time/effort to do so.
Personally, I do whatever I can to avoid interacting with users unique files. I recently refused to work on someone’s personal iPhone because it contained personal data. Though their work email was probably present on the device, I didn’t want to touch it. I did however, provide instructions for them to do what they were asking themselves.
When interacting with work-owned systems, I’ll modify the registry, and run command line commands without the users knowledge, in an effort to reduce the disruption to their workflow, while solving an issue. Generally this is when I have a request from that user, or the company, to get something done, such as install a piece of software. You’ll be working away and poof, new software appears.
Anyone in IT unnecessarily snooping in on your files, can be fired with cause, ruining their career, if they’re caught.
We have access to everything, and I mean everything, in an organization. Your email, files, databases, software… Partly for troubleshooting, and partly for performing backups. If we don’t directly have access, typically we have permission to grant access, so we can grant ourselves permission to access whatever we need to. This means that IT is one of the highest trust areas of the business. We can read the CEO’s emails, send mail as anyone, access everyone’s files, and delete all data on everything in such a way that it is impossible to recover. We need the access to do our jobs and violating the trust we have with that access, is unforgivable and a career-ending event.
I will say that I have not met any IT professionals who will snoop, spy, eavesdrop, or otherwise examine what you do or what data you have or interact with, without a good reason. If it happens, it’s likely that someone else, such as a manager, has requested that we do. We are merely the middleman in that scenario. Bluntly, we’re too busy than to just do it for kicks.
If any IT professional has violated trust, I would report it to management. It is grossly inappropriate to access a user’s system without just cause.
As for notifications, that varies depending on the request. I typically only inform people when I need to remotely control their desktop (interrupting their work) and I’m generally very receptive to being asked to wait before connecting so any sensitive information can be dealt with and closed before the session is established. I have no issue with that. I don’t need, nor want to know any more than I do. I’m never looking for illicit or illegal things unless they are creating a problem (excessive bandwidth use, excessive disk use, etc). For the most part, I try to stay in my lane. I’m here to help, not spy on you to get you fired.
Thanks for confirming some of my suspicions about how it all actually operates & the reasons for doing so.
I really just don’t like this in principle as it is way too easy to accidentally do private stuff out of convenience on a machine which is why I do like I said with BYOD & will be present for all attempts to troubleshoot a device. I don’t really see a conceptual different in my digital desktop vs. my physical one & I wouldn’t let an employer install a camera at my desk just as much or would I think it is cool for a business to have cameras in the bathroom just because they own the rental agreement. It feels like there should be some form of privacy even in these digital scenarios that never happens & it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Is there a solution to allowing users privacy in their system or is it only considered fully private property?
Legally, it’s fully owned by the company.
My current workplace uses mostly cloud desktops. Basically, even if you’re using a personal system, you install a remote desktop client software (it provides access to another system, it does not allow access to your system), which is used to connect to a server farm of virtual desktop servers. So the work desktop you use kind of overlays itself on your system. Your system is still there, humming away in the background, with it’s only task being to shuffle your input up to the cloud, and bring down the images of your cloud desktop and display them.
There’s some other features, but that’s the core of it. We use a third party “remote monitoring and management” (RMM) tool to administrate company owned systems. You are perfectly capable of using the remote desktop client on a system that’s not company owned. I like this model, since you can minimize or close the remote desktop at any time, and since we (the IT team) have full access to the remote desktop server farm, we can connect to your remote desktop session and see what you see, but only what’s within the remote window. We can’t escape it to see your computer. So if you have a problem with your work stuff, we have access to that. If you have a problem with your personal computer, we need to use a one-time-use (or ad-hoc) remote connection software like LogMeIn or something similar (specifically the LMI rescue type feature set). Once we disconnect from your personal system after doing whatever troubleshooting you asked for, we lose access to that system.
The programs change, but they do the same thing in concept. There are a number of company owned laptops and desktops we have our RMM tools on which allow us to dive into a system whenever we want.
I run a homelab, personally, and when my workplace does not give me the necessary stuff to be productive from home, what I do is build a small virtual system on my home lab, which I remote into when I work (from my desktop), so I can maintain a work/personal division. It’s similar to the cloud system I’m doing at my current job, but the “remote” desktop is a VM on a server in my basement. Other times I’ve been given a laptop, and I’ll set it up in a corner and turn on its built in remote desktop service (to allow remote desktop connections into it), then use the same protocols to connect to my work laptop.
When I’m done work, I just shut down the remote desktop connection and poof, back to my stuff on my PC.
With my current job I went another way, I got a KVM switch, which allows me to switch between two physical computers at the push of a button. (KVM is keyboard/video/mouse) When I’m done work now, I push a button and my screens (I have several) and KB/mouse all switch back to my personal desktop. Same idea but different.
I couldn’t imagine using my personal computer to do work stuff directly. That’s just not kosher in my mind. I have work’s RMM and tools all installed on the system I use for work, and my personal system is entirely free of such things.
I also want to include a short story. Recently a client started a ticket about our company logo being on their personal computer. I grabbed that ticket up and immediately identified the system, and removed it from our system. I followed up with the user to verify that by removing it from our system, the icon disappeared (indicating our monitor agent was fully uninstalled), they confirmed, and I closed the ticket. I kept thinking it’s grossly inappropriate for our software to be on their personal system, and I wanted to get it fixed ASAP. Not everyone is the same, I’ve known users that want or e remote management tools on their personal systems. I don’t understand it, but I can’t tell them that it can’t be there either (the customer is always right, applies in this context).
As I hope I’ve demonstrated, neither myself, nor anyone I work with, nor anyone I’ve worked with in the past, would ever take such an opportunity to snoop or spy on them, but I’d rather not have that liability hanging over my company. All it takes is for one person to have the software on there and accuse us of stealing their private data (say, leud pictures) and publically posting that information on the internet, and I’m sure the policy would change. Of course, we wouldn’t do that, but all it would take is the accusation.
It’s a bad day for us when we see something we shouldn’t, especially if upon seeing it, we’re morally obligated to contact the authorities (in the case of illegal content such as child porn). If course, if something like that is observed by a tech, we must do something about it, but we don’t want to have to get involved in that sort of thing, so we’re pretty careful about it. To put it simply, we’re not looking for anything, and we don’t want to snoop through your stuff, because if we d
That I could prefer: using a remote VM for the work & being able to opt out of a company provisioned device if possibre. It’s much easier to not pollute a VM & you will want to disable it as soon as you are done anyhow to free up local resources/connections.
I just did it with Linux Mint. Works great. No issues so far. Just do it.
I use a combo of lutris and proton, if you’re looking for keywords.
I have yet to find even one game, from the stuff i play, that doesn’t work as well, or better. Obvious exceptions include games with a client anticheat though
Was a bitch for me to get HOMM3 set up. But in the end I got it working. Would certainly be more plug n play on Windows, but I don’t mind a little inconvenience if it means I’m not supporting from fuckass tech bro that wants my data.
Back in the day, using Windows was essentially a long series of fucking around with configurations and trying different workarounds to get things to “go”. The actual using of the computer was, in a way, secondary.
Nothing has changed. Many many years ago I bought a used Apple to try it out and was just - astounded at how little I needed to mess with things to get them to do what I wanted. It was all in settings. That’s it.
Watching Microsoft leap headfirst into full evil is just like watching the seasons change.
And y’all say that linux users don’t value their time… smh
In them days Linux was even more about messing around with configurations and finding workarounds. It came on floppies, and as it loaded it made these kind of grinding, farting sounds. We would install it with an onion tied to our belt - which was the style at the time.
xorg.confusion
Hahaha! I’ve been dabbling in live USB thumbdrive copies of various flavors of Linux to see which one I want to go to for a while. Did a few years back and thought, “you know, my time is worth something to me, maybe I’ll give Windows a go, 10 seems pretty stable.”
Booted up Debian Cinnamon, couldn’t get two-finger right click to work on the Synaptics config out of box, it had a few arbitrary prefs for whatever the devs decided people would probably use. Tried Debian Gnome. It had trackpad settings that were more in line with what I expected… Not giving up, but it did make me pause, because I know one can reconfigure the trackpad driver under the hood, but did I really want to jump down the rabbit hole of bespoke shellscripts again just so my audio driver correctly wakes from sleep (if it can even successfully sleep)?
Other funny to figure out, the computer has iGPU and dGPU, both were active and the battery life was maybe 2 hours. Another thing to figure out with bespoke configurations.
So it’s like, Windows and Linux (and lesser, MacOS) pain is definitely there, it is just kinda what kind of pain do you want to subscribe to? Linux pain will probably only occur during initial setup and maybe every few years when a major OS release comes out. MacOS pain is even more rare, unless a major OS release comes out with something you don’t like and you have to find where in the OS frameworks the feature is to disable it, if they have hooks in which to do. Windows pain is…every Tuesday.
“Oh here’s a new lock screen weather widget”
“Oh cool, I can get on board with that!”
Next week:
“Oh, here’s a new stocks and news widget to go along with the weather.”
“Hold on there buddy, I didn’t sign up for the first and you’ve pushed two more? Time to shut those two off. Oh, it’s all or nothing, thanks! Nothing it is.”
“Don’t worry, we’ll reinstall Dev Home next week and flag it a system app so you can’t uninstall it, and then we’ll force Copilot to be present, and then we’re going to screw with the start menu, and then we’re going to delete WordPad, and reinstall all those Office/cloud 365 shim apps and and and.” That was like, last month.
So you’ve obviously never had to use
defaults write com.apple.stupidpreference.fix bool true
Apple has a lot less nonsense than Microsoft, but the amount of nonsense is greater than zero. What’s really annoying (on their mobile platform specifically) is when certain problems occur on iOS that would have been completely solvable on MacOS with a command line tool, but you have to erase the phone because Apple doesn’t give you access to the OS.
MacOS is already deprecating the Keychain access tool, which will obfuscate more of the OS security from the user and make it more iOS-like in trying to fix failures.
Apple is enshittifying in absence of Jobs, they’re just behind Microsoft by one or two decades.
Mm hmm.
The amount of time I’ve spent getting my MacOS to not be annoying… it’s such a shit experience compared to Gnome/Linux. Every single day I use MacOS, I find a new annoying inconsistency, or either poor or directly bad UX design decision or implementation.
Next time I look for a place to work, I’d consider Windows or MacOS to require at least 30% higher salary to be worth the annoyance.
Previously the fucking around was drivers, HAL, compatibility etc. now it’s a goddamn delousing
I’ve heard you can use a cheap local RADIUS server to establish a local domain. Anyone attempt this?
Having to do the meta-workaround of running another computer to make your computer usable is just…don’t get me wrong, I love running infrastructure, but that seems like it should be unnecessary just to use a computer.
You ain’t wrong but I’d just run it on my NAS
Not Radius,Samba. But yes. In theory the Samba server can even run on a VM on the same PC(but that makes it really messy). Raspi or similar is far easier.
Univention offers a ready made distro for that,but not for ARM, though.
Wouldn’t it be possible to buy a new PC, open the box, and return it right after because you cannot set it up without internet?
If enough people do it, may be PC manufacturers will force Microsoft to add offline setups.
Funny you say that, setting it up without internet is one of the few ways left to still be able to create a local account.
If I understand correctly from the article, you have to enter ‘OOBE\BYPASSNRO’ in command prompt during installation to prevent it from asking to connect to internet. If that’s the only way to set up a local account, that’s hardly an accessible option.
As as I said in my other comment: you can unplug your ethernet cable, and on Win 11 Pro and above there’s an “I don’t have internet” button you can click.
“Pro and above”
FYI it’s extremely easy to upgrade windows and activate it without buying. ;)
Yeah if they’re a legitimate business they might not wanna risk that but yeah for most people, just run the activation script
Businesses would already have access to domain join and would provision accounts, so it’s not relevant to them.
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There’s no clear path from getting the computer out of the box just setting it up without internet. If you call the manufacturer and they know what the hell they’re doing they’ll walk you through doing the OOBE no internet fix. It just needs to be an option in the damn operating system. The fact that they’re hiding it from you is unconscionable.
The antitrust machine hasn’t had its scheduled maintenance for a few generations. It’s gonna take a little while to spin up.
I hope they haven’t disassembled it and sold it on eBay for bribe money
Same. Lol
It was not an option one week ago when i tested it. Maybe because I was in WiFi range and Microsoft assumed you have to know the password to at least one of them to pass the wifi screen. No skip button. But could create a new account as unverified using gmail address.
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I love how there is an entire group of people who think it’s perfectly normal to “fight” the company that makes the OS they use.
(This message brought to you by the Linux gang.)
Ubuntu users fight Canonical all the time too.
well, perhaps. but there are a plethora of escape routes if/when it gets too bad for them.
As soon as I started doing that, I hopped distros.
Exactly, as lest when your distro starts doing things you don’t like, another can easily take its place in your set up.
hey, windows users… your OS actively hates you!
that is all.
Pretty sure most windows users hate their OS right back.
I doubt most Windows users care enough to hate it.
In my company, people were shocked at the hint I might change their Windows to Linux on a whim. They’re all so attached to Windows.
And I was joking!
Tbh I see this as a problem. For instance, I’ve been considering going into politics and one of my main concerns is the security of our government’s information. Right now the Americans could have a direct line of access to all of our doings simply because we use Windows. Not to mention there’s the matter of Recall which, while not implemented in Windows 10, will likely be included when the government switches from Windows 10. That itself is a huge security risk. So the only options are to implement an existing Linux distro or to fork and maintain one specifically for the government. And that would be all well and good if it didn’t require retraining every government employee to use Linux.
My mom actually said my windows mac the other day…
If people didn’t do this it would happen faster. Not everyone has the luxury of immediately switching, just like the “move to another state” argument
Yeah but on the other hand you also have to wrestle with Linux a lot, and personally usually a lot more time wise. It’s all tradeoffs and what people care more about.
At least Linux isn’t trying to milk you for its own gain.
true, but you’re not fighting malice or greed, you’re fighting laziness and arrogance. diffeeent vibe.
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I’m not entirely certain about that. For instance, on Linux I always have to look up how to create symlinks even though I’ve been using the OS exclusively for three years. On Windows, it is: Right click -> Create shortcut. It’s easier for most people to remember a 2 action process than a console command with multiple options and specific syntax. But of course, this is only one example and doesn’t apply to everything. For instance, I have absolutely no trouble remembering mkdir, cp, or rm. I think it’s a bit of a mixed bag.
To some extent that is true. But on the other hand, Windows is both usually easier to learn (has a UI for 99% of stuff, basic design principles dictate that it’s much easier to remember what to click on than what to type), and it just works. I rarely have to interact with the OS in any way to get something to work. I’ve tried multiple times to switch to Linux, but it just has so much stuff that doesn’t work out of the box, or at all. Da Vinci Resolve has a native version which is completely broken, Dota 2 has a native version but doesn’t pre compile shaders, so whenever e.g. I open a new hero in the hero list it lags for 1-2s, many games with anti cheat don’t work, good luck with anything in VR, no popular distro that I’ve seen has a clipboard and the ones I found online are just worse than the Windows one, etc.
I want to switch, I really do, but I’m already a power user on Windows, I would have to learn a lot to be on the same level on Linux, add onto that the fact that a lot of stuf that’s important to me just doesn’t work properly on Linux, it just doesn’t make sense for me, and for most people they’re gonna be a lot less willing to switch. Most people will not bother trying to change something, even if it’s objectively better. Most people just want to stick with what already works for them, and until Linux is able to just work with no need for user intervention, especially through terminals which people fear, it’s still a long way from mainstream adoption.
Luckily m$ didn’t block option to install Linux by permanently enable secure boot and lock bootloader right?
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Would something like that only apply to store-bought PCs? Or could they somehow lock a motherboard you bought separately? Sorry, no idea how bootloaders work, despite unlocking em plenty of times on Android phones in the past
I’m assuming one would still be able to switch to a local account after installation, but you really shouldn’t need to. What a shit show.
That would still require you to create an account, which is the part of the process people object to.
You can still easily bypass it with other methods, like unplugging your ethernet cable. Even if you don’t have an ethernet cable you can unplug, the WiFi screen has an “I don’t have internet” button on Windows 11 Pro and above. Not sure about Home, but there are other alternative ways. It’s still really shitty they keep trying to force this on people.
Shift+F10
oobe\bypassnro
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On a new install, before powering up, make sure you don’t start it up with Ethernet plugged in, when you get to the Wi-Fi connection stage hit Ctrl+f10
Type in
oobe\bypassnro
And press enter. The computer will restart and now when you get to the Wi-Fi connection screen you’ll have a like that says “I don’t have internet”.
Or just don’t use Windows
If all games start supporting Linux I will.
Apart from a few outliers, gaming is painless on Linux thanks to Valves Proton & friends.
Always online with kernel-level anti-cheat has a tendency to not work, but that is probably a red flag since there are thousands of different games you can play that don’t snoop around ring-0
If I can control my fans and my GPU in Linux the way I can in Windows I will.
Will need more info then I can recommend some software
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If only that option were realistic
How is it not? I went from a diehard Windows power user to someone who hasn’t looked back since 2019
Well done mate! You are not alone!
It’s not a simple one to one. Everyone’s use case and experience is different. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all in on the FOSS train and I don’t approve of Microsoft’s direction with Windows but it’s still a consistently hassle-free experience compared to Linux for people who just don’t wanna deal with distros, terminals, repositories or compatibility layers.
Isn’t this getting blocked in 24H2?
No, only a “normies” exploit involving using a defunct email address is getting blocked.
…aaaand I will never switch to Windows 11.
But then, I’m a hypocrite, because I have to create an account to use Android.
Forced accounts are evil - including Android. Here’s my Android story:
When I got my first Android phone, my intention was to not have an account - or at least have as much isolation between any account and my actual usage as possible. So I decline account creation when I first started using the phone, and told the phone to only store all contacts locally. That worked, and I was pretty happy with it. But later, I wanted to download a couple of basic apps from the app store - and that required an account. So I created a bogus account to download the apps. …
After creating the account to download stuff, I noticed that the contacts had automatically associated themselves with that new account had automatically uploaded all my contacts and personal info to google to sync with this account. This is precisely the thing I was trying to avoid in the first place. So, I immediately logged into that account via google’s website and told it to not store any contact info, and to delete all existing info. Which it did.
But then some time later… the account again decided to sync with my phone - this time to delete all the contacts from my phone (presumably because I’d deleted them from the online account). So although I’d gone to some deliberate lengths to tell my phone to only store data locally and to not upload it, what i ended up with was all personal data uploaded, and then purged from my phone. I had to try to restore my contacts from an ancient sim-card backup from my old phone.
Since then, I’ve decided that I will not use a google account for my phone for any reason, ever. I’ve use F-droid and the Aurora store instead. (But actually I very rarely use any apps anyway.)
You don’t. Look into degoogled ROMs, MicroG, Aurora store, and f-droid.
Oh sure, sure. My point is that Google asked for the same thing as MS, and I mindlessly gave it to them.
I’ll look into degoogling at some point.
One difference is there was already value with having a gmail account. What’s the point of getting a Microsoft account? The only thing I can see is it makes settings set up/transfer easy between PCs and for reinstalls.
Except, if I’m reinstalling, I can’t imagine waiting to copy settings since one of those settings is probably causing a problem and I don’t want it to be automatically set for me. I also don’t use the Microsoft store so…
Does anyone else actually get value from their Microsoft account? If not, It just feels like it’s only purpose is giving them (more) access to your computer. Why would anyone want that?
#RUNBSD it is then