progandy@feddit.de
on 09 Jul 2024 06:04
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“Protecting our community," by destroying it. If you don’t have a community, then it can’t be toxic. Were the comments so bad that this was the only solution?
Most streaming services don’t do comment sections. That’s mostly a YouTube and TikTok thing where the sites depend on user submitted content and also function as a social network. Despite this, people talk about shows on those services, just elsewhere.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Jul 2024 15:10
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it definitely helps that anime tends to be niche and not mainstream (though there’s still some toxicity, ofc).
You’re a netflix customer, not a part of a community. There is no Netflix or Amazon, etc community.
YouTube has a community though.
See how that works?
refalo@programming.dev
on 09 Jul 2024 06:43
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have you seen literally any comments section lately?
DevilOfDoom@lemmy.one
on 09 Jul 2024 07:44
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Most comment sections under crunchyroll episodes are super wholesome and cheerful, people are mostly celebrating how good the episode was and how cool the next ones will be.
refalo@programming.dev
on 09 Jul 2024 18:41
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I meant besides crunchyroll… but are you trying to imply that they shouldn’t have done this or that their harmful content is not a problem that should be dealt with?
Stern@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 07:18
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Anime audiences in English areas skew older, late teens early adults, or later still. Still a fair amount of the younger bunch though. Conventions are almost exclusively adults though.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Jul 2024 15:11
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ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
on 09 Jul 2024 06:21
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“I want to read comment sections on anime episodes, I must know what anime fans have to say” - statements dreamed up by the utterly Deranged
CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 09:41
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There have been several shows that I’ve watched on CR that have been made a lot better by being able to read the comments section. Either because it’s One Piece and there’s always one guy giving you the timestamp to skip the recap or because the series I’m watching is actually pretty bad and a bunch of people are making jokes at the shows expense.
It’s been rare that I’ve seen someone on CR be overly negative or toxic without getting shutdown fast. It’s usually pretty wholesome and fun.
TommySoda@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 07:11
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That was one of My favorite things about Crunchyroll. I love going through the comments after finishing a series and seeing what others were thinking. I know anime fans can be pretty crazy, but I very rarely saw toxic comments. It was mostly people talking about a shared experience and was surprisingly wholesome the majority of the time. I even got some good recommendations about what to watch next because of it too
pingveno@lemmy.ml
on 09 Jul 2024 07:51
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Just to hazard a guess, it might be pretty closely moderated to keep the toxicity down. That might just be costing Crunchyroll more than they think it’s worth.
Landless2029@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 14:45
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In that case they should’ve added AI based mod tools instead of just turning them off.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Jul 2024 15:08
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this is exactly it; anytime you see a really wholesome comment section, it’s because they have a team to actually moderate it which costs time and money
TommySoda@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 15:29
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Never really thought about that but that makes a lot of sense.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz
on 10 Jul 2024 09:42
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This is crunchyroll, it was probably not moderated at all.
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
on 10 Jul 2024 10:44
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They banned someone for a few weeks who’d comment Dub time on dubs after some weirdos got irrationally angry about it and mass reported her. There’d also be a meaningful comment on the actual episode from the same user, but it wouldn’t be upvoted as much, so wouldn’t be displayed as prominently. Before the ban and after it was reversed, there’d typically be an argument in the replies to the Dub time comment between people angrily ranting about it and other people defending it.
So there clearly was some moderation, but beyond an automated bad word filter, and I guess something blocking URLs, it was done sparingly and reluctantly.
Stern@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 08:09
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Comments dont make money, moderation costs money. So pull it and make the site more like the other streaming services out there, make some PR word salad to justify it. Not surprising really. Of course maybe it really was a Salty Spitoon in the comments section. Either way, not exactly the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
You must be imagining that since the only profitable streaming service I’ve heard of is Disney and that’s not for their streaming service. They’re all tanking on investor money.
I’ve just cancelled my Crunchyroll sub, not only because of the user content deletion but because they lock many translations and animes out of Spain and the quality of some subs are shit generated with AI. My new streaming service is nyaa.
paultimate14@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 12:19
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Good. Not every website needs to be a social media platform too. There’s already plenty of communities on the Internet to discuss anime.
Mango@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 14:02
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No every website does, but Crunchyroll should be.
paultimate14@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 14:11
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And… Why is that?
Anime can be found on tons of streaming services that don’t have comments, like Netflix.
Anime in particular is pretty famous for having its own communities and niche spaces on the internet. If anything, Crunchyroll’s comments section seems to me like it’s unnecessarily fracturing those communities based on who watches on Crunchyroll vs other methods.
There are costs to maintain and moderate communities. It seems to me like that’s adding a good bit of cost to Crunchyroll’s business model in exchange a vlrelatively small value provided to a small percentage of their customers. Whereas with dedicated social media platforms, the business model revolves around and only attracts individuals who highly valued that community. With a smaller community like that, it’s easier to rely on volunteer mods (like most of Lemmy) or a bit of ad revenue.
Mango@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 15:19
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Because stone cold says so.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world
on 10 Jul 2024 08:28
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All corporate social media has my permission to die
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
on 10 Jul 2024 10:36
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Better have comments on Crunchyroll than make me go to R*ddit to find out if I missed something in an episode, especially as anime subreddits typically start permitting episode spoilers before the dub for that episode is out, so there’s often nowhere except the dub comments on Crunchyroll that’s safe to look for dub watchers.
Censoring culture is not good, making it so the only place to get news is from paid talking heads who would never bite the hand that feeds, is not a good change.
The community is destroyed.
paultimate14@lemmy.world
on 10 Jul 2024 10:54
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This isn’t censoring culture. This is a streaming platform focusing on streaming and giving up on trying to be more than that.
The communities still exist and will find a new platform. Just over a year ago there was a sizeable chunk of Redditors that came to Lemmy. It’s happened time after time when a platform goes down. Communities are much more than just the platform they are on.
Mango@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 2024 14:04
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It’s better than aniwave? How do I go about googling such a common term and finding this?
amongstthetrees@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jul 2024 04:17
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They’re probably referring to nyaa si which normally has either decent webrips, Bluray rips once the show is released physically, and at times with list 3840p shows.
Comments section is kind of more to do with the specific torrent though.
It would be nice if those comments were moderated, but mostly what I saw in crunchy roll comments was straight up fascist propaganda. I’m in a place where I’m like… Not everything needs a comment section. I can take the criticism this makes me a crunchy roll bootlicker. I’ll take that L, but know this: we should all be pirating stuff all the time given how the big corporations treat our art and creations
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 09 Jul 2024 17:28
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Harmful to Sony’s bottom line.
Pika@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Jul 2024 18:26
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Crunchyroll has a comment section? I had seem ratings but never looked at the comments
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jul 2024 08:10
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Paradoxvoid@aussie.zone
on 10 Jul 2024 09:55
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The amount of people bootlicking a corporation’s decision to cut costs rather than just moderate effectively is pretty astonishing for Lemmy,
Plenty of people got value out of the comment section - if nothing else, they were invaluable in knowing when to skip past the recap/opening theme/filler content in long-running shows like One Piece.
Most of it is pretty inane, but there was some useful stuff in there, and I always found it fun to see what other people thought of particularly crazy episodes.
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jul 2024 21:00
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Find another place to post and stop crying. 🤷
Takios@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jul 2024 10:15
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This saddens me. The comments of the animes I watched usually had some interesting trivia or background information that I had missed.
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
on 10 Jul 2024 10:30
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Super useful for something like Overlord, where scenes with background information were cut and there’d be someone saying what else you’d know by this point in the manga, or if you’d forgotten something since watching a previous season and needed a reminder.
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“Protecting our community," by destroying it. If you don’t have a community, then it can’t be toxic. Were the comments so bad that this was the only solution?
Most streaming services don’t do comment sections. That’s mostly a YouTube and TikTok thing where the sites depend on user submitted content and also function as a social network. Despite this, people talk about shows on those services, just elsewhere.
it definitely helps that anime tends to be niche and not mainstream (though there’s still some toxicity, ofc).
Most streaming services don’t have a ‘community’.
You’re a netflix customer, not a part of a community. There is no Netflix or Amazon, etc community.
YouTube has a community though.
See how that works?
have you seen literally any comments section lately?
Most comment sections under crunchyroll episodes are super wholesome and cheerful, people are mostly celebrating how good the episode was and how cool the next ones will be.
I meant besides crunchyroll… but are you trying to imply that they shouldn’t have done this or that their harmful content is not a problem that should be dealt with?
What, you can’t have war if there are no people?
There is no
war inBa Sing Se.I’m guessing that if it’s all cartoons, it’s mostly kids that watch it? The comments sections must be horrendous
your guess would be wrong
Not about the comment sections.
Or the cartoons, it would seem
Anime audiences in English areas skew older, late teens early adults, or later still. Still a fair amount of the younger bunch though. Conventions are almost exclusively adults though.
nah we’re just dan and phil fans.
They’re horrendous but because of fascist adults
“I want to read comment sections on anime episodes, I must know what anime fans have to say” - statements dreamed up by the utterly Deranged
There have been several shows that I’ve watched on CR that have been made a lot better by being able to read the comments section. Either because it’s One Piece and there’s always one guy giving you the timestamp to skip the recap or because the series I’m watching is actually pretty bad and a bunch of people are making jokes at the shows expense.
It’s been rare that I’ve seen someone on CR be overly negative or toxic without getting shutdown fast. It’s usually pretty wholesome and fun.
Hey! I’m offended!
That was one of My favorite things about Crunchyroll. I love going through the comments after finishing a series and seeing what others were thinking. I know anime fans can be pretty crazy, but I very rarely saw toxic comments. It was mostly people talking about a shared experience and was surprisingly wholesome the majority of the time. I even got some good recommendations about what to watch next because of it too
Just to hazard a guess, it might be pretty closely moderated to keep the toxicity down. That might just be costing Crunchyroll more than they think it’s worth.
In that case they should’ve added AI based mod tools instead of just turning them off.
this is exactly it; anytime you see a really wholesome comment section, it’s because they have a team to actually moderate it which costs time and money
Never really thought about that but that makes a lot of sense.
This is crunchyroll, it was probably not moderated at all.
They banned someone for a few weeks who’d comment Dub time on dubs after some weirdos got irrationally angry about it and mass reported her. There’d also be a meaningful comment on the actual episode from the same user, but it wouldn’t be upvoted as much, so wouldn’t be displayed as prominently. Before the ban and after it was reversed, there’d typically be an argument in the replies to the Dub time comment between people angrily ranting about it and other people defending it.
So there clearly was some moderation, but beyond an automated bad word filter, and I guess something blocking URLs, it was done sparingly and reluctantly.
Maybe you can get the same experience at a place llike AniList or Kitsu?
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Comments dont make money, moderation costs money. So pull it and make the site more like the other streaming services out there, make some PR word salad to justify it. Not surprising really. Of course maybe it really was a Salty Spitoon in the comments section. Either way, not exactly the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
QA doesn’t make money. They’re paying me anyhow.
QA prevents them from losing money. Same with IT.
Comments sections prevent them from losing users who like that. Users are money.
Cost of moderation likely higher then lost profits from users who were only being kept on by comment section.
That’s the bet they’re making.
It’s a fairly good bet considering the overwhelming majority of streaming services.
You mean the ones that are all failing right now for being fractured and having no appeal beyond whatever the latest binge is?
Yes I do mean the ones that make far more money and have 10x or more the subscribers that Crunchyroll does. That is correct.
You must be imagining that since the only profitable streaming service I’ve heard of is Disney and that’s not for their streaming service. They’re all tanking on investor money.
No I just have access to this new and innovative search engine called google.
forbes.com/…/netflix-reports-record-profits-as-su…
theverge.com/…/disney-streaming-business-earnings…
I’ve just cancelled my Crunchyroll sub, not only because of the user content deletion but because they lock many translations and animes out of Spain and the quality of some subs are shit generated with AI. My new streaming service is nyaa.
Good. Not every website needs to be a social media platform too. There’s already plenty of communities on the Internet to discuss anime.
No every website does, but Crunchyroll should be.
And… Why is that?
Anime can be found on tons of streaming services that don’t have comments, like Netflix.
Anime in particular is pretty famous for having its own communities and niche spaces on the internet. If anything, Crunchyroll’s comments section seems to me like it’s unnecessarily fracturing those communities based on who watches on Crunchyroll vs other methods.
There are costs to maintain and moderate communities. It seems to me like that’s adding a good bit of cost to Crunchyroll’s business model in exchange a vlrelatively small value provided to a small percentage of their customers. Whereas with dedicated social media platforms, the business model revolves around and only attracts individuals who highly valued that community. With a smaller community like that, it’s easier to rely on volunteer mods (like most of Lemmy) or a bit of ad revenue.
Because stone cold says so.
All corporate social media has my permission to die
Better have comments on Crunchyroll than make me go to R*ddit to find out if I missed something in an episode, especially as anime subreddits typically start permitting episode spoilers before the dub for that episode is out, so there’s often nowhere except the dub comments on Crunchyroll that’s safe to look for dub watchers.
Bad.
Censoring culture is not good, making it so the only place to get news is from paid talking heads who would never bite the hand that feeds, is not a good change.
The community is destroyed.
This isn’t censoring culture. This is a streaming platform focusing on streaming and giving up on trying to be more than that.
The communities still exist and will find a new platform. Just over a year ago there was a sizeable chunk of Redditors that came to Lemmy. It’s happened time after time when a platform goes down. Communities are much more than just the platform they are on.
RIP. Aniwave and Disqus anyone?
nyaa has a comment section.
Better quality video too.
It’s better than aniwave? How do I go about googling such a common term and finding this?
They’re probably referring to nyaa si which normally has either decent webrips, Bluray rips once the show is released physically, and at times with list 3840p shows.
Comments section is kind of more to do with the specific torrent though.
Ahhh, that’s not quite the same as aniwave.
Just another reason to sail the seas.
i mean if you go to crunchyroll just for the comment section and not to actually watch movies… sure?
Why can’t I do both.
the high seas have a comment section?
Yeah, lots of illegal anime streaming sites have MAL list import, comment sections, forums, etc.
if (postTitle.contains(anyStreamingService)) postPiracyPropaganda();
Omfg the comment section lovers are literally a vocal minority, this is kinda silly to see play out.
And nothing of value was lost.
It would be nice if those comments were moderated, but mostly what I saw in crunchy roll comments was straight up fascist propaganda. I’m in a place where I’m like… Not everything needs a comment section. I can take the criticism this makes me a crunchy roll bootlicker. I’ll take that L, but know this: we should all be pirating stuff all the time given how the big corporations treat our art and creations
Harmful to Sony’s bottom line.
Crunchyroll has a comment section? I had seem ratings but never looked at the comments
another episode of this phenomenon slatestarcodex.com/…/rip-culture-war-thread/
The amount of people bootlicking a corporation’s decision to cut costs rather than just moderate effectively is pretty astonishing for Lemmy,
Plenty of people got value out of the comment section - if nothing else, they were invaluable in knowing when to skip past the recap/opening theme/filler content in long-running shows like One Piece.
Most of it is pretty inane, but there was some useful stuff in there, and I always found it fun to see what other people thought of particularly crazy episodes.
Find another place to post and stop crying. 🤷
This saddens me. The comments of the animes I watched usually had some interesting trivia or background information that I had missed.
Super useful for something like Overlord, where scenes with background information were cut and there’d be someone saying what else you’d know by this point in the manga, or if you’d forgotten something since watching a previous season and needed a reminder.
you can still use MAL with malsync browser extension and then you can get decent reviews you need
No thoughtcrime, only consume.