Rexelpitlum@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Aug 2024 17:48
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You might want to look up “Enshitification”.
No surprises here…
yogthos@lemmy.ml
on 08 Aug 2024 18:05
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yeah that’s basically what this
deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev
on 08 Aug 2024 18:08
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First new word I learned on lemmy a few months back.
I think of it multiple times a day when browsing my RSS feed
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
on 08 Aug 2024 18:20
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Hell yeah to those websites that still publish RSS feeds, though
deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev
on 08 Aug 2024 18:21
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All the websites I follow do, so I am lucky
But yeah instant +1 if a website offer RSS feeds
CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
on 08 Aug 2024 18:12
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It didn’t suddenly go that way. It was always the plan. A loss leader.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Aug 2024 19:01
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I think you give the idiots in charge of the corps that can’t see beyond a 3 month window of time too much credit. It is just the natural progression of unchecked and unregulated Capitalism that will always lead to this place, regardless of the industry or technology.
Don’t get me wrong, I want to blame them too for their evil plot, but they’re too dumb to have contrived the whole narrative.
Example with the cloud:
Look over past decades, storing your data in servers has been a thing for decades. Companies have tried time and again to get the concept to stick in various forms, and it always waxed and waned. (Reverse-example right now is AI, since people barely want it, and having it in the cloud is even creepier, manufacturers are trying to make people comfortable with cloud-executed AI queries, and otherwise releasing limited subsets of compute that run locally on the phone.)
Voice recognition tech like Voice Command (predecessor to Siri for those super young) started on phone-only. Then Siri used to run on the cloud until phones became powerful enough to run more commands locally and they moved more commands to the phone.
Apple used to synchronize SMS messages between iPhones and other Apple devices in a secure local method on your local WiFI network. Then, as they sold more types of devices, it made it evolutionarily (made up word) necessary to move that logic to the cloud. They probably didn’t pre-think that all this would be clouded, they just got there out of need to sell a new toy, and suddenly screw the alleged privacy they purport to worship.
The reality is, a lot of these cloud techs have been held up by:
Lack of fast enough Internet bandwidth to make it doable, nobody is going to spend 4 hours a day uploading photos somewhere
Lack of fast local compute, hilariously, local compute can do most things now, but in the past, the local compute wasn’t fast enough to be able to parse/process the data to send to the cloud
Lack of local storage, again, prepping data for cloud transport and having local caching be performant requires enough throwaway space on the local machine that users don’t become frustrated with the latency of remote disks in a datacenter
Lack of metadata for trust verification like FaceID, fingerprint, GPS geolocation, and other security functions so the company could avoid fraud
Lack of quality mobile cameras and recording devices making the input content garbage
Once these problems ended up being solved, it wasn’t some visionary with a big plan executing. It was just another Business Weenie being paid 9 figures having the same idea 300 other people had, and it just sticking this time because the technological environment is different.
(Replace Apple examples with Google, Microsoft, Cisco whoever as necessary.)
urshanabi@lemmygrad.ml
on 08 Aug 2024 23:02
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I think the long term commitment is there for everyone and it’s the only way to undeestand how focusing quarter to quarter by executives leads to this result.
Everyone is committed to profit.
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Aug 2024 10:41
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That’s some bob cringely like dissection - love it!
deranger@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Aug 2024 20:15
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Chokepoint capitalism moreso than enshittification. Both are terms from Cory Doctorow.
jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Aug 2024 18:57
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That is a lower circle of hell.
kindenough@kbin.earth
on 08 Aug 2024 18:21
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I poem you.
Stremio, Torrentio,
Realdebrid, Shieldtv.
delirious_owl@discuss.online
on 08 Aug 2024 18:27
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I use Stremio which has tbs torrentio plugin. But what are the others?
kindenough@kbin.earth
on 08 Aug 2024 19:58
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Realdebrid serves torrents instantly from torrentio at 3 bucks a month. Nvidia shieldtv Pro is the best media steamer (*in my opinion which is probably worthless). I had Apple TV's running Stremio, but it was a pain in the butt syncing, so I gave those away.
MyOpinion@lemm.ee
on 08 Aug 2024 18:59
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Surprise we got scammed again.
hannesh93@feddit.org
on 08 Aug 2024 19:54
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Isn’t that how silicon valley worked for years even within itself? Run a loss for long enough until you’ve overtaken the market and then raise prices when the competition has lost their edge.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social
on 08 Aug 2024 20:21
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That’s what China is trying to do with their EVs in other markets right now too.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Aug 2024 03:26
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Yet you still see people grumbling about how restrictions on chinese EV imports are just “American/Western Imperialism”, since people apparently don’t understand how valueable domestic production is
Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml
on 09 Aug 2024 04:01
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It’s because the USA floods countries with cheap goods all the time and then cries foul when someone else does it. It’s pure hypocrisy.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social
on 09 Aug 2024 04:42
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What cheap goods does the US produce and flood other countries with? Even in the US, most of our products are made in China.
queermunist@lemmy.ml
on 09 Aug 2024 05:17
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US Agricultural goods are heavily subsidized and, thanks to NAFTA, flooded Mexico’s markets and destroyed farmers’ livelihoods.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone
on 11 Aug 2024 11:49
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Well, Facebook, google spring to mind. They are both cheap for the consumer and undermine local competition. Digital goods can be dumped too.
ramble81@lemm.ee
on 08 Aug 2024 23:02
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Cloud was never supposed to be “cheap”. It has always been a utility based model where you pay for how much you use it. The problem is, way too many people used is as a 1:1 replacement without rearchitecting their workloads, so of course it’s gonna be more expensive.
Not just that, but the big value proposition was supposed be that you wouldn’t need sysadmins. In practice, these services are so complex that you need a dedicated skill set to use them, except now it’s specific skills for each provider that aren’t directly transferable.
Wait till the CFOs start tallying up the GenAI bills…
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
on 09 Aug 2024 05:50
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Uber was always more expensive then a taxi, at least in NYC/London. It was originally marketed as a “luxury” transportation option. The cloud was always ~2x more Operation Expenses with the value proposition that you didn’t have any Capital Expenses so if you were a startup it was easier to sell-out and get started with lower risk. Streaming is still cheaper then cable, but it is getting shittier.
Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Aug 2024 09:52
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Streaming is still cheaper than cable
That really depends on where you live. With my current provider here in the Netherlands, I would be paying 12.50 euros extra for TV.
Netflix standard is already more expensive than that at 13.99.
about_13_13_unruly_goats@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Aug 2024 05:53
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Long live plex, set sails
clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Aug 2024 10:17
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Jellyfin FTW! Free for all.
coolusername@lemmy.ml
on 09 Aug 2024 10:58
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capitalism.jpeg
StaySquared@lemmy.ml
on 09 Aug 2024 14:49
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Inflation / recession.
StaySquared@lemmy.ml
on 09 Aug 2024 14:33
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Yaaar matey! The good ol’ days when all the streaming services we had, combined, was $65/mo give or take. That nearly doubled in the last year almost two. Finally cut off all streaming services.
dessalines@lemmy.ml
on 09 Aug 2024 14:49
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I’ve been adding a bunch of torrent-focused features to both lemmy-ui and jerboa this week, the next releases of both should have them.
Yeah, I think people who rise to the top are products of selection pressures they’re exposed to, and capitalism selects for the entirely wrong things. You’re just another victim of capitalist realism bud.
BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world
on 10 Aug 2024 15:53
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You said greed twice. Or you said capitalism twice.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Aug 2024 15:07
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A primary purpose of technology under capitalism is the violent control of people and the planet. Any actual progress is an unwanted side effect.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
on 10 Aug 2024 15:27
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Clowd was never cheap; it was versatile, and it still is.
Just, please, get over this ‘cheap’ fallacy. It’s expensive as shit, either in direct costs or the labour required to min-max for savings. If you’re not regularly bulldozing a massive portion of your stuff or running in two regions for resilience, then you should just look at another idea – and Don’t say Azure, as there’s a reason we call that cheap hot-garbage ‘unsure’.
doo@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Aug 2024 16:25
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thank you. came to the comments to say exactly this.
cloud could be cheap, but it’s a lot of work, or at least attention. people get disappointed with the costs, paradoxically, because cloud is easy and, as you put, versatile. and often between any two options allowing to do the same thing, the easier one will be more expensive.
the biggest irony of the cloud is that many companies it seems, just like different species evolved into crabs, discover that all they need is a couple of own servers in a managed hosting environment, a CDN and outlook.
Cloud is useful for things like flexibility - you need massive dynamic expansion/contraction of resources? Cloud can do it… But at a cost.
Or for a startup - you need resources quickly, but don’t want to invest in physical hardware because that’s a risky investment if the business doesn’t survive. But again, it’s not cheap.
Worst of all, each cloud provider has a convoluted system of features, by design, intended to lock you in to their system once you learn it. So you still have staff dedicated to that.
The problem with cloud is much better explained here (I have no idea who this person is, just found their blog to be well written).
threaded - newest
You might want to look up “Enshitification”.
No surprises here…
yeah that’s basically what this
First new word I learned on lemmy a few months back.
I think of it multiple times a day when browsing my RSS feed
Hell yeah to those websites that still publish RSS feeds, though
All the websites I follow do, so I am lucky
But yeah instant +1 if a website offer RSS feeds
It didn’t suddenly go that way. It was always the plan. A loss leader.
I think you give the idiots in charge of the corps that can’t see beyond a 3 month window of time too much credit. It is just the natural progression of unchecked and unregulated Capitalism that will always lead to this place, regardless of the industry or technology.
Don’t get me wrong, I want to blame them too for their evil plot, but they’re too dumb to have contrived the whole narrative.
Example with the cloud:
The reality is, a lot of these cloud techs have been held up by:
Once these problems ended up being solved, it wasn’t some visionary with a big plan executing. It was just another Business Weenie being paid 9 figures having the same idea 300 other people had, and it just sticking this time because the technological environment is different.
(Replace Apple examples with Google, Microsoft, Cisco whoever as necessary.)
I think the long term commitment is there for everyone and it’s the only way to undeestand how focusing quarter to quarter by executives leads to this result.
Everyone is committed to profit.
That’s some bob cringely like dissection - love it!
Chokepoint capitalism moreso than enshittification. Both are terms from Cory Doctorow.
They've missed AirBNB and the likes.
That is a lower circle of hell.
I poem you.
Stremio, Torrentio,
Realdebrid, Shieldtv.
I use Stremio which has tbs torrentio plugin. But what are the others?
Realdebrid serves torrents instantly from torrentio at 3 bucks a month. Nvidia shieldtv Pro is the best media steamer (*in my opinion which is probably worthless). I had Apple TV's running Stremio, but it was a pain in the butt syncing, so I gave those away.
Surprise we got scammed again.
Isn’t that how silicon valley worked for years even within itself? Run a loss for long enough until you’ve overtaken the market and then raise prices when the competition has lost their edge.
That’s what China is trying to do with their EVs in other markets right now too.
Yet you still see people grumbling about how restrictions on chinese EV imports are just “American/Western Imperialism”, since people apparently don’t understand how valueable domestic production is
It’s because the USA floods countries with cheap goods all the time and then cries foul when someone else does it. It’s pure hypocrisy.
What cheap goods does the US produce and flood other countries with? Even in the US, most of our products are made in China.
US Agricultural goods are heavily subsidized and, thanks to NAFTA, flooded Mexico’s markets and destroyed farmers’ livelihoods.
Well, Facebook, google spring to mind. They are both cheap for the consumer and undermine local competition. Digital goods can be dumped too.
Cloud was never supposed to be “cheap”. It has always been a utility based model where you pay for how much you use it. The problem is, way too many people used is as a 1:1 replacement without rearchitecting their workloads, so of course it’s gonna be more expensive.
Not just that, but the big value proposition was supposed be that you wouldn’t need sysadmins. In practice, these services are so complex that you need a dedicated skill set to use them, except now it’s specific skills for each provider that aren’t directly transferable.
Which means you can sell support in addition to the service itself. Mission accomplished!
Not to mention the benefits of having vendor lock in, since migrating to a different service becomes prohibitively expensive.
Turns out making everything into a subscription service doesn’t make it better, it just makes it worse.
Wait till the CFOs start tallying up the GenAI bills…
Uber was always more expensive then a taxi, at least in NYC/London. It was originally marketed as a “luxury” transportation option. The cloud was always ~2x more Operation Expenses with the value proposition that you didn’t have any Capital Expenses so if you were a startup it was easier to sell-out and get started with lower risk. Streaming is still cheaper then cable, but it is getting shittier.
That really depends on where you live. With my current provider here in the Netherlands, I would be paying 12.50 euros extra for TV.
Netflix standard is already more expensive than that at 13.99.
Long live plex, set sails
Jellyfin FTW! Free for all.
capitalism.jpeg
Inflation / recession.
Yaaar matey! The good ol’ days when all the streaming services we had, combined, was $65/mo give or take. That nearly doubled in the last year almost two. Finally cut off all streaming services.
I’ve been adding a bunch of torrent-focused features to both lemmy-ui and jerboa this week, the next releases of both should have them.
Oh that’s very exciting!
Is there a reasonable explanation for this or is it plain greed? In my book, technology gets always cheaper, but scalability is also always a concern.
It’s just greed. Companies exist to create profit for their shareholders, any social value they produce in the process is strictly incidental.
That’s not “greed”. It’s capitalism.
Sure, capitalism is a system that rewards greed and egoism ensuring that psychopaths rise to the top of the society.
Yawn.
Or do you think such people don’t rise to the top in socialist systems?
Yeah, I think people who rise to the top are products of selection pressures they’re exposed to, and capitalism selects for the entirely wrong things. You’re just another victim of capitalist realism bud.
You said greed twice. Or you said capitalism twice.
A primary purpose of technology under capitalism is the violent control of people and the planet. Any actual progress is an unwanted side effect.
Clowd was never cheap; it was versatile, and it still is.
Just, please, get over this ‘cheap’ fallacy. It’s expensive as shit, either in direct costs or the labour required to min-max for savings. If you’re not regularly bulldozing a massive portion of your stuff or running in two regions for resilience, then you should just look at another idea – and Don’t say Azure, as there’s a reason we call that cheap hot-garbage ‘unsure’.
thank you. came to the comments to say exactly this.
cloud could be cheap, but it’s a lot of work, or at least attention. people get disappointed with the costs, paradoxically, because cloud is easy and, as you put, versatile. and often between any two options allowing to do the same thing, the easier one will be more expensive.
the biggest irony of the cloud is that many companies it seems, just like different species evolved into crabs, discover that all they need is a couple of own servers in a managed hosting environment, a CDN and outlook.
Indeed.
Cloud is useful for things like flexibility - you need massive dynamic expansion/contraction of resources? Cloud can do it… But at a cost.
Or for a startup - you need resources quickly, but don’t want to invest in physical hardware because that’s a risky investment if the business doesn’t survive. But again, it’s not cheap.
Worst of all, each cloud provider has a convoluted system of features, by design, intended to lock you in to their system once you learn it. So you still have staff dedicated to that.
The problem with cloud is much better explained here (I have no idea who this person is, just found their blog to be well written).
next up: ai is 100x more expensive than people
Well it may not be accurate or effective, but at least it’s expensive.
Hahaha