Zerfallen@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 2023 10:57
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I agree with the article, but i hate the way the author just admits defeat at the end. “I hate everything about it! But i won’t realistically leave. And actually you can keep doing it all, just let me hide hotels pretty please”. Ugh.
I can’t claim I’ve managed anything more, beyond periodically re-testing the alternatives, but i just hate to see it written., Feels like it undermines the whole argument when they make clear that Google will see no consequence.
The biggest hurdle for me, is that many businesses and other points of interest are missing in the alternatives. And if not missing, then useful data like opening hours, reviews, etc aren’t there.
But i hate every moment i spend in Google Maps due to the advertising and bad UX, and I will jump ship as soon as something comes even close (on Android).
chrisbit@leminal.space
on 07 Aug 2023 11:01
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Why won’t you show me the street name
This is by far my greatest frustration with it.
Tangentism@lemmy.ml
on 07 Aug 2023 11:42
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Another is that no matter how far I zoom in, it still remains on the smallest font.
I’ll be out cycling and it’s a PITA to have to dig out my glasses just to read a pissy small street name to know where tf I am!
spartanatreyu@programming.dev
on 08 Aug 2023 01:47
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I’m confused and didn’t understand this point.
Both of the screenshots used in the article show the street names.
Every street is shown on the zoomed in screenshot, and every major street is shown on the zoomed out screenshot.
chrisbit@leminal.space
on 08 Aug 2023 03:56
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In my experience, street names, especially on major roads, often don’t appear until you zoom right in - usually to the point of the road width basically filling the screen.
I use Organic Maps as much as possible. For public transport I use another app (not google maps but a local app for my country). Sometimes I check google maps if I can’t find a place or if the opening times are missing on openstreetmap (the source for organic maps).
The main issue with organic maps (and I think any map app based on OSM data) is search. Especially in places where multiple languages are used I’ve found it quite frustrating.
Valencia, for example, has Valencian/Catalan as its main language on OSM, but Spanish is very common. If I search in Spanish I don’t get good results. A small typo will also mess things up. That’s pretty frustrating and means I often have to go to the website of wherever I’m going to get the proper name in Valenciano without typos, or I have to look it up on google maps.
randomaccount43543@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 2023 12:12
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Organic Maps is great!
GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 2023 20:00
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The great thing about OSM is anyone can fix things like this - name tags can have multiple languages!
Yes that’s indeed great and I have contributed to OSM, but even for places with tags in multiple languages the search still didn’t work great.
Perhaps it’s been improved, but I think Organic Maps first searches for the primary name tag first and only later name:es or name:ca. But that means that when searching in Spanish in Valencia (where the name tags are in Valencian/Catalan), it would often give me results outside of Valencia but that would have the name of what I was looking for.
That’s not impossible to improve, but it’s difficult to get those things consistently right. Google knows so much about its users it can make really accurate predictions about which results are most relevant.
But what’s for me way more significant is that OSM is quite unforgiving when it comes to typos or slightly inaccurate spelling. Organic Maps has that problem and openstreetmap.org as well. As an example: there is a part of the city called l’Eixample. If you search for l’Eixample on OSM you will find it no problem: www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=l'Eixapmle
For me that is really frustrating when I’m outside somewhere and have to quickly look up some place on my phone. Most of the time I can still find it with organic maps, but it can definitely be more cumbersome than with google maps.
Organic maps is amazing. I tend to use MAPS.ME for general commute and also it has a great offline feature to download maps when I’m in a different country. definitely a better alternative to Google maps
Google Maps is the last Google thing I rely really heavily on. I would love to be able to replace it with OSM but searching for places is far better on Google (admittedly, probably because they have more context for your search due to all the spying). I also rely a lot on Google reviews when I’m in a new place and just want to grab a coffee or a drink or something. Could probably use TripAdvisor for that though.
agressivelyPassive@feddit.de
on 07 Aug 2023 12:35
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At least in m area, the reviews are almost useless. Except one DHL shop, every place has the typical U-shaped distribution typical for manipulation and/or bad sampling. Everything is simultaneously the worst and the best food.
SheeEttin@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 2023 12:49
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Nobody cares enough to review average food.
masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Aug 2023 11:30
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Thankfully we have openstreetmaps.
Jaysyn@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 11:32
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#6.) If you're using a browser that prevents fingerprinting (Firefox), road badges display as garbage in Google Maps.
manpacket@lemmyrs.org
on 07 Aug 2023 11:53
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Too many ads and bad UX? Right. This article is a great example for both:
https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@aras/110846684099110476
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 2023 14:13
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I honestly don’t know how most people surf on mobile.
I have Pi-hole and Firefox blocking ads, and even then… I still have to do some custom blocking just to read some content.
JBloodthorn@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 14:30
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If it weren't for reader mode, a lot of news sites would be unusable.
manned_meatball@lemmy.ml
on 07 Aug 2023 21:15
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Firefox with uBlock Origin makes mobile usable, but I don’t know how people use other browsers that don’t allow extensions.
Shurimal@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 12:30
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Organic Maps FTW!
JBloodthorn@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 12:49
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The version on my S5 is a quarter the size of the version on my XCover. Both give the same directions. The app ballooned to 4x the size for ads and features I have literally never used on the phone like street view and "explore".
The version on my near decade old phone is also snappier and uses less data because it isn't background loading a bunch of ads for me to tune out.
Bonehead@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 12:52
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Unless there is another app that will give me directions to multiple locations and either allow me to arrange those addresses or automatically arrange the addresses in the shortest distance to drive, I'll be sticking to Google Maps unfortunately. It has its limitations, but I honestly don't know of another app that can do this.
w2tpmf@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 13:28
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Waze
Bonehead@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 13:32
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Yet for the moment, Waze and Google Maps remain separate products with different capabilities. Waze still seems to be the best for real time information while driving a car, though it has declined some, and I’m surprised Google hasn’t killed it.
Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com
on 07 Aug 2023 15:41
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Waze still seems to be the best for real time information while driving a car
And yet the moment I find an alternative that works with Android Auto, I’m dropping Waze too. I try my best to actively avoid Google’s shit these days.
And yes, for the pedantic, I know Android Auto is Google’s… If there was an alternative I’d take that too.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one
on 07 Aug 2023 20:05
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I swear I saw an article recently about Google finally killing Waze off.
That has definitely been rumored and would be consistent with what I think we’ve all come to expect from Google. It doesn’t seem to be announced yet though, and Waze recently expanded to support built-in infotainment systems.
OsmAnd will do that. If you edit the destinations you can manually specify their order. Click sort there and choose door-to-door to get the most efficient routing.
The app takes some getting used to, but it works very well, and can act as a front-end for contributing to OpenStreetsMap.
Bonehead@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 13:43
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I'm trying it now, but it can't seem to find some common addresses that I visit. I'll attempt to use it, but so far it doesn't look promising.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Aug 2023 14:42
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It’s based on Open Street Map and sadly you need to know the location you want to go to (without needing to enter a door # I mean) in many cases because it relies on people entering the information on the map.
It can help to download your local map for offline use. The default basemap doesn’t have details like house numbers, but the downloaded maps should.
Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz
on 07 Aug 2023 13:25
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It’s a steaming pile of garbage. When I click “maps” I’m expecting a map to open up. With google maps I’m faced with all kinds of menus and shit I never asked for that I need to start clicking away to uncover the map underneath.
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Aug 2023 14:15
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Every single one of their apps just screams “consumption” and that’s it. Gas, coffee, restaurant, hotels, groceries. These things are all great when I’m traveling but should be 1 menu deep not splattered across the first screen. It’s just clutter and it’s unattractive.
FIST_FILLET@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 13:57
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in general i'm baffled by most UX changes google pushes to their products. it just makes no sense to me, even if we're being generous with a profits-first perspective
you like that super convenient 1-click "remove" button on your youtube "watch later" list? let's make that a 2-click action by putting it under a dot menu with no other options in there
JBloodthorn@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 14:27
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And lets give the dot menu a slight delay so it looks neat.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one
on 07 Aug 2023 20:03
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I think it’s change for the sake of change. The same reason why grocery stores redo their layout every couple of years. They want to make things appear ‘new’ while also keeping you on your toes in the hopes that you’ll buy more product.
They’ve been doing this for years now with Android. The biggest changes are always with icons and menu layouts now that they ran out of innovative ideas.
Grocery stores are actually a bit more sinister than that, they reorganize things periodically so people have to spend more time walking around the store and can impulse buy more. They are getting wiser though, they tend to do it more sectionally rather than the whole store so people don’t get as fed up.
Oh God, I swear our local supermarket moves the fresh fish every three weeks. It’s always the fish and it just fills me with rage. I don’t want to do a meter by meter search for a chunk of salmon while my picky children are whining and chewing on my kneecaps.
CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Aug 2023 14:06
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I get the impression Google is trying to transition Maps into a social media platform.
richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one
on 07 Aug 2023 16:32
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Damn that should crash and burn as G+ did.
MattyXarope@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 2023 14:07
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My biggest gripe is that it can’t handle multi part trips with turn by turn directions. By that I mean - let’s say I want to go across town to my destination and that involves using the subway that I need to walk to. For some reason Maps doesn’t give you turn by turn walking directions to the subway part, but will show you the map with your location to the subway then to destination. You have to start and stop turn by turn directions to each part separately. That’s such a pain in the butt and is nonsensical.
SheeEttin@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 2023 16:34
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Really? It does that for me just fine. Maybe the subway movement data isn’t properly uploaded to the Maps system?
MattyXarope@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 2023 19:41
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I’d love to see a video of it working. As far as I know, there is no way to do so. You cannot plan a trip that has public transportation and have it give you turn by turn walking directions to the pickup point, have it automatically turn off those turn by turn directions when you’re on the public transport, then automatically turn the turn by turn walking dirrections back on when you’re off the transport.
It simply shows you the overhead map and tells you to walk to the transportation. It does not allow you to see turn by turn directions to the location when you’ve got a mixed mode of transport (walking and pubic transport).
Madison_rogue@kbin.social
on 07 Aug 2023 15:11
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Idk...the article starts with talking about the history of Google Maps, then talks about Apple's Maps, and then complains pretty much at what looks like desktop features based off the snapshot in the article. Maybe the setup is different on iOS vs Android?
When I use Google Maps in my car, it doesn't pop up all these different places...it asks me to input a destination, and then it gives directions. Granted, I don't use it to include walking or other forms of transportation. The CarPlay interface has options to find gas stations, hotels, restaurants, etc., yet it doesn't clutter the display with those when I'm in transit.
I'm in agreement that the desktop version has a lot of clutter, no doubt. As far as my experience, the mobile app doesn't have a lot of issues where I use it the most.
I’m certainly seeing the same issues on my android that the author writes about. Especially when you’re just browsing and haven’t keyed in a destination.
thelastknowngod@lemm.ee
on 07 Aug 2023 21:43
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I’m shocked the auto zoom function isn’t mentioned. I am zoomed into the area where I am. I search for something. The app zooms out to show me results from places literal hours away… Sometimes on different continents. I’m annoyed, I zoom back in to where I was, click on a result, and it zooms out AGAIN. WTF?
I haven’t experienced that particular issue, but it sounds very frustrating. Have you put in a big report with them? It sounds like something unintentional that they can correct
ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world
on 08 Aug 2023 00:07
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I find it interesting that many of these complaints essentially boil down to: listen, I know you have vast amounts of data about who I am as a person, so why aren’t you using this data effectively?
This is what I’m wondering about too, spez, but I figured you would know a thing or two about that…
My Google account has reached an age of maturity, but I’m order to watch ‘sensitive materiaal’ Google wants me to upload my ID. Which I’ll never do.
Otoh, like with Netflix suggestions, wouldn’t it be more scary if the recommendations actually started making sense?
SheeEttin@lemmy.world
on 08 Aug 2023 04:43
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Hmm, I just tried a route and it looks like you’re right, it draws it out but doesn’t give you turn by turn. I could have sworn it does when I’m actually following it, but maybe not. I’ll have to actually test it.
Most annoying thing for me is being unable to filter businesses out of my search results. I cannot tell you how many times I have been looking for coffee shops and had to scroll past dozens of gas stations that sell coffee. It’s also a problem that I can’t filter out fast food or massive chains. Yes Starbucks is a coffee shop, but if I want something small or local I’m shit out of luck on Google maps because they dominate my results.
This is such a simple feature for a SEARCH ENGINE COMPANY to implement but I’m sure they don’t want to risk upsetting potential ad revenue by allowing users to filter out the advertisers business.
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I agree with the article, but i hate the way the author just admits defeat at the end. “I hate everything about it! But i won’t realistically leave. And actually you can keep doing it all, just let me hide hotels pretty please”. Ugh.
I can’t claim I’ve managed anything more, beyond periodically re-testing the alternatives, but i just hate to see it written., Feels like it undermines the whole argument when they make clear that Google will see no consequence.
The biggest hurdle for me, is that many businesses and other points of interest are missing in the alternatives. And if not missing, then useful data like opening hours, reviews, etc aren’t there.
But i hate every moment i spend in Google Maps due to the advertising and bad UX, and I will jump ship as soon as something comes even close (on Android).
This is by far my greatest frustration with it.
Another is that no matter how far I zoom in, it still remains on the smallest font.
I’ll be out cycling and it’s a PITA to have to dig out my glasses just to read a pissy small street name to know where tf I am!
I’m confused and didn’t understand this point.
Both of the screenshots used in the article show the street names.
Every street is shown on the zoomed in screenshot, and every major street is shown on the zoomed out screenshot.
In my experience, street names, especially on major roads, often don’t appear until you zoom right in - usually to the point of the road width basically filling the screen.
I use Organic Maps as much as possible. For public transport I use another app (not google maps but a local app for my country). Sometimes I check google maps if I can’t find a place or if the opening times are missing on openstreetmap (the source for organic maps).
The main issue with organic maps (and I think any map app based on OSM data) is search. Especially in places where multiple languages are used I’ve found it quite frustrating.
Valencia, for example, has Valencian/Catalan as its main language on OSM, but Spanish is very common. If I search in Spanish I don’t get good results. A small typo will also mess things up. That’s pretty frustrating and means I often have to go to the website of wherever I’m going to get the proper name in Valenciano without typos, or I have to look it up on google maps.
Organic Maps is great!
The great thing about OSM is anyone can fix things like this - name tags can have multiple languages!
Yes that’s indeed great and I have contributed to OSM, but even for places with tags in multiple languages the search still didn’t work great.
Perhaps it’s been improved, but I think Organic Maps first searches for the primary
nametag first and only latername:esorname:ca. But that means that when searching in Spanish in Valencia (where thenametags are in Valencian/Catalan), it would often give me results outside of Valencia but that would have the name of what I was looking for.That’s not impossible to improve, but it’s difficult to get those things consistently right. Google knows so much about its users it can make really accurate predictions about which results are most relevant.
But what’s for me way more significant is that OSM is quite unforgiving when it comes to typos or slightly inaccurate spelling. Organic Maps has that problem and openstreetmap.org as well. As an example: there is a part of the city called l’Eixample. If you search for
l’Eixampleon OSM you will find it no problem: www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=l'EixapmleBut if you forget the apostrophe,
lEixample, or if you switch around themandp,l’Eixapmle, you get no results: www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=lEixampleFor me that is really frustrating when I’m outside somewhere and have to quickly look up some place on my phone. Most of the time I can still find it with organic maps, but it can definitely be more cumbersome than with google maps.
Organic maps is amazing. I tend to use MAPS.ME for general commute and also it has a great offline feature to download maps when I’m in a different country. definitely a better alternative to Google maps
May I ask why you use maps.me? As far as I know that’s just a worse version than Organic Maps at this point.
Google Maps is the last Google thing I rely really heavily on. I would love to be able to replace it with OSM but searching for places is far better on Google (admittedly, probably because they have more context for your search due to all the spying). I also rely a lot on Google reviews when I’m in a new place and just want to grab a coffee or a drink or something. Could probably use TripAdvisor for that though.
At least in m area, the reviews are almost useless. Except one DHL shop, every place has the typical U-shaped distribution typical for manipulation and/or bad sampling. Everything is simultaneously the worst and the best food.
Nobody cares enough to review average food.
Thankfully we have openstreetmaps.
#6.) If you're using a browser that prevents fingerprinting (Firefox), road badges display as garbage in Google Maps.
Too many ads and bad UX? Right. This article is a great example for both: https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@aras/110846684099110476
I honestly don’t know how most people surf on mobile.
I have Pi-hole and Firefox blocking ads, and even then… I still have to do some custom blocking just to read some content.
If it weren't for reader mode, a lot of news sites would be unusable.
Firefox with uBlock Origin makes mobile usable, but I don’t know how people use other browsers that don’t allow extensions.
Organic Maps FTW!
The version on my S5 is a quarter the size of the version on my XCover. Both give the same directions. The app ballooned to 4x the size for ads and features I have literally never used on the phone like street view and "explore".
The version on my near decade old phone is also snappier and uses less data because it isn't background loading a bunch of ads for me to tune out.
Unless there is another app that will give me directions to multiple locations and either allow me to arrange those addresses or automatically arrange the addresses in the shortest distance to drive, I'll be sticking to Google Maps unfortunately. It has its limitations, but I honestly don't know of another app that can do this.
Waze
Google bought Waze years ago.
Yet for the moment, Waze and Google Maps remain separate products with different capabilities. Waze still seems to be the best for real time information while driving a car, though it has declined some, and I’m surprised Google hasn’t killed it.
And yet the moment I find an alternative that works with Android Auto, I’m dropping Waze too. I try my best to actively avoid Google’s shit these days.
And yes, for the pedantic, I know Android Auto is Google’s… If there was an alternative I’d take that too.
I swear I saw an article recently about Google finally killing Waze off.
That has definitely been rumored and would be consistent with what I think we’ve all come to expect from Google. It doesn’t seem to be announced yet though, and Waze recently expanded to support built-in infotainment systems.
OsmAnd will do that. If you edit the destinations you can manually specify their order. Click sort there and choose door-to-door to get the most efficient routing.
The app takes some getting used to, but it works very well, and can act as a front-end for contributing to OpenStreetsMap.
I'm trying it now, but it can't seem to find some common addresses that I visit. I'll attempt to use it, but so far it doesn't look promising.
It’s based on Open Street Map and sadly you need to know the location you want to go to (without needing to enter a door # I mean) in many cases because it relies on people entering the information on the map.
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.westnord…
For people who want to help while playing a game!
Yep, this is what I do! After awhile of adding addresses and POIs, finding this info is no longer difficult in my area for the most part.
It can help to download your local map for offline use. The default basemap doesn’t have details like house numbers, but the downloaded maps should.
It’s a steaming pile of garbage. When I click “maps” I’m expecting a map to open up. With google maps I’m faced with all kinds of menus and shit I never asked for that I need to start clicking away to uncover the map underneath.
Every single one of their apps just screams “consumption” and that’s it. Gas, coffee, restaurant, hotels, groceries. These things are all great when I’m traveling but should be 1 menu deep not splattered across the first screen. It’s just clutter and it’s unattractive.
in general i'm baffled by most UX changes google pushes to their products. it just makes no sense to me, even if we're being generous with a profits-first perspective
And lets give the dot menu a slight delay so it looks neat.
I think it’s change for the sake of change. The same reason why grocery stores redo their layout every couple of years. They want to make things appear ‘new’ while also keeping you on your toes in the hopes that you’ll buy more product.
They’ve been doing this for years now with Android. The biggest changes are always with icons and menu layouts now that they ran out of innovative ideas.
Grocery stores are actually a bit more sinister than that, they reorganize things periodically so people have to spend more time walking around the store and can impulse buy more. They are getting wiser though, they tend to do it more sectionally rather than the whole store so people don’t get as fed up.
Oh God, I swear our local supermarket moves the fresh fish every three weeks. It’s always the fish and it just fills me with rage. I don’t want to do a meter by meter search for a chunk of salmon while my picky children are whining and chewing on my kneecaps.
I get the impression Google is trying to transition Maps into a social media platform.
Damn that should crash and burn as G+ did.
My biggest gripe is that it can’t handle multi part trips with turn by turn directions. By that I mean - let’s say I want to go across town to my destination and that involves using the subway that I need to walk to. For some reason Maps doesn’t give you turn by turn walking directions to the subway part, but will show you the map with your location to the subway then to destination. You have to start and stop turn by turn directions to each part separately. That’s such a pain in the butt and is nonsensical.
Really? It does that for me just fine. Maybe the subway movement data isn’t properly uploaded to the Maps system?
I’d love to see a video of it working. As far as I know, there is no way to do so. You cannot plan a trip that has public transportation and have it give you turn by turn walking directions to the pickup point, have it automatically turn off those turn by turn directions when you’re on the public transport, then automatically turn the turn by turn walking dirrections back on when you’re off the transport.
It simply shows you the overhead map and tells you to walk to the transportation. It does not allow you to see turn by turn directions to the location when you’ve got a mixed mode of transport (walking and pubic transport).
Idk...the article starts with talking about the history of Google Maps, then talks about Apple's Maps, and then complains pretty much at what looks like desktop features based off the snapshot in the article. Maybe the setup is different on iOS vs Android?
When I use Google Maps in my car, it doesn't pop up all these different places...it asks me to input a destination, and then it gives directions. Granted, I don't use it to include walking or other forms of transportation. The CarPlay interface has options to find gas stations, hotels, restaurants, etc., yet it doesn't clutter the display with those when I'm in transit.
I'm in agreement that the desktop version has a lot of clutter, no doubt. As far as my experience, the mobile app doesn't have a lot of issues where I use it the most.
I’m certainly seeing the same issues on my android that the author writes about. Especially when you’re just browsing and haven’t keyed in a destination.
I’m shocked the auto zoom function isn’t mentioned. I am zoomed into the area where I am. I search for something. The app zooms out to show me results from places literal hours away… Sometimes on different continents. I’m annoyed, I zoom back in to where I was, click on a result, and it zooms out AGAIN. WTF?
I haven’t experienced that particular issue, but it sounds very frustrating. Have you put in a big report with them? It sounds like something unintentional that they can correct
I find it interesting that many of these complaints essentially boil down to: listen, I know you have vast amounts of data about who I am as a person, so why aren’t you using this data effectively?
This is what I’m wondering about too, spez, but I figured you would know a thing or two about that…
My Google account has reached an age of maturity, but I’m order to watch ‘sensitive materiaal’ Google wants me to upload my ID. Which I’ll never do.
Otoh, like with Netflix suggestions, wouldn’t it be more scary if the recommendations actually started making sense?
Hmm, I just tried a route and it looks like you’re right, it draws it out but doesn’t give you turn by turn. I could have sworn it does when I’m actually following it, but maybe not. I’ll have to actually test it.
Most annoying thing for me is being unable to filter businesses out of my search results. I cannot tell you how many times I have been looking for coffee shops and had to scroll past dozens of gas stations that sell coffee. It’s also a problem that I can’t filter out fast food or massive chains. Yes Starbucks is a coffee shop, but if I want something small or local I’m shit out of luck on Google maps because they dominate my results.
This is such a simple feature for a SEARCH ENGINE COMPANY to implement but I’m sure they don’t want to risk upsetting potential ad revenue by allowing users to filter out the advertisers business.