They’ve had decades of brain drain because of all the insecurity and corruption. Currently I don’t see that reversing, it’s very ingrained. I hope they find a way of providing better opportunities, demographically it’s a young country so maybe they can make something work for them.
But oof is it gonna be an uphill battle when your government works against you by not supporting education, security, infrastructure.
Maybe they found out how to make drugs or money from chips?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 31 Aug 14:43
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Yeah, Mexico needs a lot more than tech investment, they need:
functioning law enforcement - bribing officers is very much a thing pretty much everywhere
safe highways - high robbery is very much a thing, and it’s highly recommended to hire local drivers who know which roads are safer
crush the cartels
High tech investment needs law and order, and that’s not consistent in Mexico. Fix that and maybe people will stop fleeing the country. Education is important too, but the country first needs to be a place foreigners feel comfortable relocating to, because that will be necessary to set up shop.
nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world
on 02 Sep 00:18
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Have you been to Mexico City or (even more so) Guadalajara since the Pandemic? Multinational techs are investing and building up campuses like crazy. Reminds me of the go-go years of Bangalore in the 2000’s.
Mexico has a real possibility of moving up the value chain and gobbling up all the good stuff Trump is pushing away from the USA
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Sep 01:07
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I haven’t, but I do know Mexico City has been getting a fair amount of investment. That said, I have a friend who has gone back, and there are still the same law enforcement issues in the surrounding area.
They do not need to do this. All they need to do is legalize all drugs and the “evil” cartels will turn into enterprises.
The war on drugs has been going on for over fifty years with no resolution in sight and not much to show for it except wasted tax payer money. A radically different approach is perhaps warranted.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Sep 01:33
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The US needs to legalize drugs, if they don’t, there will continue to be a market and cartels will serve that market. That’s not something Mexico can control, so the next best option is to drive them out of Mexico.
Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr
on 31 Aug 15:56
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I wanted to remind that Mexican cartels grew this powerful by using the war on drug of the USA to target only Colombian cartels, so the USA are partly responsible for their growth
That's cool and all, but we (mexicans) had decades to try and fix... Anything at all, but we've regressed so much and it accelerated in 6 (almost 7) years that the USA responsibility is moot, we are doing this to ourselves and the plan is to make it even worse.
Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr
on 01 Sep 14:33
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I did not have more details, I just love any opportunity to spit on USA international policies.
we are doing this to ourselves and the plan is to make it even worse
What do you mean with this ? From what I know (not a lot, honestly), cartels are as powerful as unofficial country, with a shit ton of money (and weapons from the US), so honestly, I would not know how to deal with them.
I did not have more details, I just love any opportunity to spit on USA international policies.
... At least do some research before attempting to, this just makes you look like an ass or a propaganda account.
What do you mean with this?
The problem is not how to deal with the narcos, the problem (since the past administration) is the given order was TO NOT deal with the narcos, to let them do because the past president (and current cult leader) owes them everything.
Like in the past it was bad and at least something was done to protect the civilians... Now it's the opposite.
Also the narcos are 1 problem, the rest comes from inside the goverment and the civilians.
We're being censored hard, the media is already heavily manipulated, the official numbers are doubtful (hence my constant complain about lemmy users posting graphics about how cool México is doing while we suffer a different reality), our rights are being trampled and stripped from us, and the president only exists to excuse the crimes and abuses from her party cult.
It's a fucking shitshow and they are working hard to make it worse.
So... Shitting on the USA intervention is pointless after so many years, is a disservice to reality and (at least speaking from México) a way to excuse shitty goverments and a completely apathetic population who chooses the worst to try and make everyone else as miserable as they are (yes, that was the reason most of the people who voted for the current cult in power gave to the media and how they behaved on social networks).
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 23:55
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(hence my constant complain about lemmy users posting graphics about how cool México is doing while we suffer a different reality)
Lemmy tiene un problema con los apodados tankies. Se oponen a cualquier cosa que este encontrar de EE.UU. y con morena siendo un partido izquierda le hechan porra. Lo irónico es que terminan apoyando el imperialismo de otro partido al vez de simplemente ser anti imperialista.
Lo sé, el problema es que no son solamente los *tankies*, la mayoría se traga el cuento de que mierdena es de *izquierda*, cuando son más populistas conservadores que la chingada y encima lo defienden y se echan encima como si ellos, viviendo en otro país, supieran la realidad a partir de la propaganda que se tragaron.
Yeah, countries should realize that brain drain is much more serious issue than is usually portrayed.
But honestly the issues that lead to brain drain are far beyond what one or a few people in power can fix. It’s usually caused by deep societal issues, things that emerge after little dysfunctions snowball all the way to the large system that is the whole country.
For example, I’ve seen articles like this which in my opinion summarize what is the real issue in Brazilian society. But also one could argue this behavior becomes prevalent because society is already dysfunctional and people normalize the current way of thinking. It’s really a chicken and egg problem to solve when you look at the whole country scale.
Amoxtli@thelemmy.club
on 31 Aug 15:45
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They should have done things like this some time ago, instead of nationalizing oil companies.
Good for them. They capitalized on car and other manufacturing, so why not chips? Once we get past this senseless personal trade war, it could be profitable to both sides of the border. Given the long lead time for chips, the timing might work out
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org
on 31 Aug 18:50
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So once US engineers will start fleeing there, it will give a new meaning to "them mexicans are stealing our jobs!"
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 31 Aug 21:23
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Good. The world needs more semiconductor factories
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Sep 23:25
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Wouldn’t it be hysterical if Intel foundries fail under the Trump regime and Mexico steps in and says “I got this”
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They’ve had decades of brain drain because of all the insecurity and corruption. Currently I don’t see that reversing, it’s very ingrained. I hope they find a way of providing better opportunities, demographically it’s a young country so maybe they can make something work for them.
But oof is it gonna be an uphill battle when your government works against you by not supporting education, security, infrastructure.
Maybe they found out how to make drugs or money from chips?
Yeah, Mexico needs a lot more than tech investment, they need:
High tech investment needs law and order, and that’s not consistent in Mexico. Fix that and maybe people will stop fleeing the country. Education is important too, but the country first needs to be a place foreigners feel comfortable relocating to, because that will be necessary to set up shop.
Have you been to Mexico City or (even more so) Guadalajara since the Pandemic? Multinational techs are investing and building up campuses like crazy. Reminds me of the go-go years of Bangalore in the 2000’s.
Mexico has a real possibility of moving up the value chain and gobbling up all the good stuff Trump is pushing away from the USA
I haven’t, but I do know Mexico City has been getting a fair amount of investment. That said, I have a friend who has gone back, and there are still the same law enforcement issues in the surrounding area.
They do not need to do this. All they need to do is legalize all drugs and the “evil” cartels will turn into enterprises.
The war on drugs has been going on for over fifty years with no resolution in sight and not much to show for it except wasted tax payer money. A radically different approach is perhaps warranted.
The US needs to legalize drugs, if they don’t, there will continue to be a market and cartels will serve that market. That’s not something Mexico can control, so the next best option is to drive them out of Mexico.
I wanted to remind that Mexican cartels grew this powerful by using the war on drug of the USA to target only Colombian cartels, so the USA are partly responsible for their growth
That's cool and all, but we (mexicans) had decades to try and fix... Anything at all, but we've regressed so much and it accelerated in 6 (almost 7) years that the USA responsibility is moot, we are doing this to ourselves and the plan is to make it even worse.
I did not have more details, I just love any opportunity to spit on USA international policies.
What do you mean with this ? From what I know (not a lot, honestly), cartels are as powerful as unofficial country, with a shit ton of money (and weapons from the US), so honestly, I would not know how to deal with them.
... At least do some research before attempting to, this just makes you look like an ass or a propaganda account.
The problem is not how to deal with the narcos, the problem (since the past administration) is the given order was TO NOT deal with the narcos, to let them do because the past president (and current cult leader) owes them everything.
Like in the past it was bad and at least something was done to protect the civilians... Now it's the opposite.
Also the narcos are 1 problem, the rest comes from inside the goverment and the civilians.
We're being censored hard, the media is already heavily manipulated, the official numbers are doubtful (hence my constant complain about lemmy users posting graphics about how cool México is doing while we suffer a different reality), our rights are being trampled and stripped from us, and the president only exists to excuse the crimes and abuses from her
partycult.It's a fucking shitshow and they are working hard to make it worse.
So... Shitting on the USA intervention is pointless after so many years, is a disservice to reality and (at least speaking from México) a way to excuse shitty goverments and a completely apathetic population who chooses the worst to try and make everyone else as miserable as they are (yes, that was the reason most of the people who voted for the current cult in power gave to the media and how they behaved on social networks).
Lemmy tiene un problema con los apodados tankies. Se oponen a cualquier cosa que este encontrar de EE.UU. y con morena siendo un partido izquierda le hechan porra. Lo irónico es que terminan apoyando el imperialismo de otro partido al vez de simplemente ser anti imperialista.
Lo sé, el problema es que no son solamente los *tankies*, la mayoría se traga el cuento de que mierdena es de *izquierda*, cuando son más populistas conservadores que la chingada y encima lo defienden y se echan encima como si ellos, viviendo en otro país, supieran la realidad a partir de la propaganda que se tragaron.
Yeah, countries should realize that brain drain is much more serious issue than is usually portrayed.
But honestly the issues that lead to brain drain are far beyond what one or a few people in power can fix. It’s usually caused by deep societal issues, things that emerge after little dysfunctions snowball all the way to the large system that is the whole country.
For example, I’ve seen articles like this which in my opinion summarize what is the real issue in Brazilian society. But also one could argue this behavior becomes prevalent because society is already dysfunctional and people normalize the current way of thinking. It’s really a chicken and egg problem to solve when you look at the whole country scale.
They should have done things like this some time ago, instead of nationalizing oil companies.
Good for them. They capitalized on car and other manufacturing, so why not chips? Once we get past this senseless personal trade war, it could be profitable to both sides of the border. Given the long lead time for chips, the timing might work out
So once US engineers will start fleeing there, it will give a new meaning to "them mexicans are stealing our jobs!"
Good. The world needs more semiconductor factories
Wouldn’t it be hysterical if Intel foundries fail under the Trump regime and Mexico steps in and says “I got this”
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