The US has a law to limit the liability of gun manufacturers.
The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a U.S law, passed in 2005, that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. Both arms manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible. However, they may be held liable for negligent entrustment if it is found that they had reason to believe a firearm was intended for use in a crime.
Protip for anyone unfamiliar: Mullvad really is the gold standard for a private VPN. If you just want to pirate shit and not get angry letters from your ISP, Nord or PIA will accomplish that. But if you REALLY want privacy, Mullvad is it.
betweenthesixes@lemmy.world
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The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world
on 30 Jun 21:40
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I’m not a judge, but isn’t internet essentially a utility these days? Cutting someone off because of piracy seems like cutting off electricity or water because they did something illegal with it.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world
on 30 Jun 21:46
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This would be the case had net neutrality not been killed off nearly a decade ago
Telorand@reddthat.com
on 30 Jun 21:49
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Pragmatically, yes. Legally, no. Progressives have been fighting for years to get internet classified as a utility in the US, and regressives and (ironically) internet companies have been fighting against that effort at every turn in the name of profit.
And now look how well that’s turned out. Gee, if only some people had warned them that deregulation was a monkey’s paw…
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io
on 30 Jun 22:23
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They could even be totally innocent, the mere accusation is enough, wtf?
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
on 30 Jun 22:57
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Due process seems to just be a recommendation.
lupusblackfur@lemmy.world
on 30 Jun 23:23
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Recommendation???
No.
It’s a luxury you can try but only if you can afford it.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Jun 23:48
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USCIS can deport a non-citizen for accusations of drug use, including weed.
Let that sink in.
CorruptCheesecake@lemmy.world
on 01 Jul 01:35
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I’m pretty sure this supreme court would rule that people don’t have a right to electricity, or even water. They’ll probably be totally ok with people losing internet access as punishment for crossing media owners.
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world
on 30 Jun 23:02
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I’m not a United Statesian so I have no clue anymore how it works there, but other places have been making the case that the Internet is an essential service and that access to it is a basic right. So to leapfrog off your question, is that like a poor person stealing a loaf of bread being cut off from food because they didn’t food responsibly enough?
BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network
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Unfortunately the country I was born in, the USA, is also one that voted against the international resolution to define food as a human right. 😕
I’m some places in the States they will cut off your electricity or water for sharing with a neighbor that has had theirs shut off. I have seen both happen personally, and not in some back water state. They both happened in upstate NY.
CandleTiger@programming.dev
on 01 Jul 01:24
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Cut off for sharing, or cut off for running illegal/unsafe/unlicensed wiring and plumbing connections?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Jun 21:43
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I’m not doing piracy, I’m just trading a lot of data packets with a Proton Server in Switzerland, nothing to see here 😉
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Jun 23:28
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This is actually why I usually install a VPS in whichever country I’m physically in—my end devices always appear to be connecting to something innocent in-country (like a corporate VPN). That VPS then does the double-hop out of the country so that the VPS also seems pretty innocent too.
I don’t think it’s actually more secure though since the VPS is in my name and it’s technically decrypting everything. But I’m a bit less paranoid about that. (I’m not doing tons of illegal shit anyway.)
obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 30 Jun 21:49
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The unproven claims is the key part here. Also the point of “terminating an account would punish every user in a household” is important as well.
You can fine someone for piracy if you want. As long as they have the standard legal protections. But cutting access is excessive.
AGuyAcrossTheInternet@fedia.io
on 30 Jun 22:02
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I'm not doing piracy, I am merely training my AI!
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Jun 22:39
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The recent judgement did not, in fact, say that pirating was legal if you use the pirated material to train AI.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Jul 00:41
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Call me when all these LLM get their internet cut off then.
einlander@lemmy.world
on 30 Jun 22:09
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We are going to end up with a super private and encrypted Internet because of it.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io
on 30 Jun 22:22
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The mere accusation causing someone to lose the Internet, which is vital to modern life, would be insane.
Additionally, it would do little to nothing to stop piracy.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 30 Jun 22:51
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they actually do think that if you stop piracy people will flock back to streaming services when in reality all that will happen is i'll just watch more twitch.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io
on 30 Jun 22:56
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I just watch free shit like Tubi, Pluto, Roku, YouTube, Vimeo, Peertube, DailyMotion, etc.
Then they’ll lobby against public WiFi. I was in China recently and (depending on the province) you need a phone number to access public WiFi so that they know who you are.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 30 Jun 23:33
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You wouldn’t be able to access twitch. You’d have to buy cable TV or an antenna for the free channels. Either way media wins via commercials.
What about legitimate torrented content? Are they going to outlaw the technology outright? Don’t plenty of legitimate downloads use torrents to speed up software updates and such?
Atomicbunnies@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Jun 22:47
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Yes. I share like 100+ Linux distros via torrents.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 30 Jun 22:49
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thank god i go to ireland to do all my torrenting.
kassiopaea@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Jul 01:38
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i prefer to do mine in the czech republic, personally
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
on 30 Jun 22:53
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low key hope this happens.
it’s gonna be fuckin funny to watch all IT in the US grind to a halt because everyone who WFH can’t work because their internet was cut off.
then a week into mandatory office returns someone will get the whole datacenter cut off because they’re running torrents from their laptop.
dumb fucks are going after the worst people to fuck with.
fieldworkers
women
gamers
IT support
don’t fuck with IT. they know what filthy shit you watch from home.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Jun 23:23
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So all tech companies?
phdepressed@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Jun 23:52
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Then the AI companies that have openly used pirated stuff could also get disconnected lol. Of course business will be fine and individuals will get shafted who expects anything different nowadays.
Just do what we do in Canada. Send them threatening letters. It scares 90% of parents into telling their kids to knock that shit off, but they’re toothless and can’t actually do anything, and the remaining 10% still pirate away. Everyone’s happy.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Jul 00:52
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ISPs already do that here in the states. The court case is to decide whether they should shut off access.
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I nominate we test with out with the Zuck and his networks.
Based on that logic, ammunition and arms manufacturers should be held liable for damages as well.
Yes, but that would mean that logic has any bearing on what the Supreme Court decides to do
I hate that you’re absolutely correct
The US has a law to limit the liability of gun manufacturers.
More like, if you steal something you are banned from using roads and sidewalks and doors.
Here i am again doing my duty mullvad.net/en/why-privacy-matters
Protip for anyone unfamiliar: Mullvad really is the gold standard for a private VPN. If you just want to pirate shit and not get angry letters from your ISP, Nord or PIA will accomplish that. But if you REALLY want privacy, Mullvad is it.
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I’m not a judge, but isn’t internet essentially a utility these days? Cutting someone off because of piracy seems like cutting off electricity or water because they did something illegal with it.
This would be the case had net neutrality not been killed off nearly a decade ago
Pragmatically, yes. Legally, no. Progressives have been fighting for years to get internet classified as a utility in the US, and regressives and (ironically) internet companies have been fighting against that effort at every turn in the name of profit.
And now look how well that’s turned out. Gee, if only some people had warned them that deregulation was a monkey’s paw…
They could even be totally innocent, the mere accusation is enough, wtf?
Due process seems to just be a recommendation.
Recommendation???
No.
It’s a luxury you can try but only if you can afford it.
USCIS can deport a non-citizen for accusations of drug use, including weed.
Let that sink in.
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I’m pretty sure this supreme court would rule that people don’t have a right to electricity, or even water. They’ll probably be totally ok with people losing internet access as punishment for crossing media owners.
I’m not a United Statesian so I have no clue anymore how it works there, but other places have been making the case that the Internet is an essential service and that access to it is a basic right. So to leapfrog off your question, is that like a poor person stealing a loaf of bread being cut off from food because they didn’t food responsibly enough?
Unfortunately the country I was born in, the USA, is also one that voted against the international resolution to define food as a human right. 😕
Not even piracy. Accusations thereof.
Inb4 palantir cuts off your electric and water because you had 15% eye distraction during the mandatory 3hr nightly fox news viewing.
more importantly because of accused. Just accused.
I’m some places in the States they will cut off your electricity or water for sharing with a neighbor that has had theirs shut off. I have seen both happen personally, and not in some back water state. They both happened in upstate NY.
Cut off for sharing, or cut off for running illegal/unsafe/unlicensed wiring and plumbing connections?
I’m not doing piracy, I’m just trading a lot of data packets with a Proton Server in Switzerland, nothing to see here 😉
It’s like trading cards, gotta trade em all!
This is actually why I usually install a VPS in whichever country I’m physically in—my end devices always appear to be connecting to something innocent in-country (like a corporate VPN). That VPS then does the double-hop out of the country so that the VPS also seems pretty innocent too.
I don’t think it’s actually more secure though since the VPS is in my name and it’s technically decrypting everything. But I’m a bit less paranoid about that. (I’m not doing tons of illegal shit anyway.)
The unproven claims is the key part here. Also the point of “terminating an account would punish every user in a household” is important as well.
You can fine someone for piracy if you want. As long as they have the standard legal protections. But cutting access is excessive.
I'm not doing piracy, I am merely training my AI!
The recent judgement did not, in fact, say that pirating was legal if you use the pirated material to train AI.
Call me when all these LLM get their internet cut off then.
We are going to end up with a super private and encrypted Internet because of it.
The mere accusation causing someone to lose the Internet, which is vital to modern life, would be insane.
Additionally, it would do little to nothing to stop piracy.
they actually do think that if you stop piracy people will flock back to streaming services when in reality all that will happen is i'll just watch more twitch.
I just watch free shit like Tubi, Pluto, Roku, YouTube, Vimeo, Peertube, DailyMotion, etc.
i'd just go to a local fast food resturant and bring my portable piracy machine
Then they’ll lobby against public WiFi. I was in China recently and (depending on the province) you need a phone number to access public WiFi so that they know who you are.
You wouldn’t be able to access twitch. You’d have to buy cable TV or an antenna for the free channels. Either way media wins via commercials.
What about legitimate torrented content? Are they going to outlaw the technology outright? Don’t plenty of legitimate downloads use torrents to speed up software updates and such?
Yes. I share like 100+ Linux distros via torrents.
thank god i go to ireland to do all my torrenting.
i prefer to do mine in the czech republic, personally
low key hope this happens.
it’s gonna be fuckin funny to watch all IT in the US grind to a halt because everyone who WFH can’t work because their internet was cut off.
then a week into mandatory office returns someone will get the whole datacenter cut off because they’re running torrents from their laptop.
dumb fucks are going after the worst people to fuck with.
don’t fuck with IT. they know what filthy shit you watch from home.
What will they do when entire College campuses lose internet access because half their students are pirating text books
This still won’t make me pay for Netflix
But it will make me pay for VPNs!
So all tech companies?
Then the AI companies that have openly used pirated stuff could also get disconnected lol. Of course business will be fine and individuals will get shafted who expects anything different nowadays.
Better source: torrentfreak.com/supreme-court-grants-coxs-bid-to…
Just do what we do in Canada. Send them threatening letters. It scares 90% of parents into telling their kids to knock that shit off, but they’re toothless and can’t actually do anything, and the remaining 10% still pirate away. Everyone’s happy.
ISPs already do that here in the states. The court case is to decide whether they should shut off access.
Don’t they already do this in most of Europe?
Yeah it’s fucked up
Pirate everything, death to the capitalists.
Is piracy AI scraping?