An LAPD helicopter claimed to have ID'ed protesters from above and threatened to "come to your house" (www.motherjones.com)
from AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 16:52
https://lemm.ee/post/66450708

Cool…

This one goes out to all the small government, privacy loving, Republicans out there, supposedly hating invasive big brother tactics and representing the values of the American heartland.

Would be much appreciated if you could have a word with your people about this.

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Fingolfinz@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 17:17 next collapse

Pigs are bottom feeding class traitors

Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 17:26 next collapse

Would be much appreciated if you could have a word with your people about this.

I’m an American, but my only experience with LA was traveling through for 2 days about 10 years ago. AKA no experience with LA.

This action appears to be originated from LAPD and therefore the local LA government. I have always considered LA to be deeply blue, and would therefore think that their local LA government would be Democrat, not Republican.

So should this not be the local blue voting populace having a word with their blue elected politicians?

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Jun 17:36 next collapse

The police are violent thugs everywhere, not just Republican cities and states.

It’s because they have almost complete immunity from being prosecuted for wrongdoing and also, well, they are incredibly well armed and often use their monopoly on violence to threaten blue politicians.

I grew up in a city where cops didn’t like their own chief of police because he wanted to drug test the force regularly after several got caught doing drugs on the job. The chiefs own force stalked him, harassed him, made violent threats against him and his family, until he was ran out of town. The police union sued him and said drug testing them violated their rights. The police union won in court. Those drug tests never happened.

conditional_soup@lemm.ee on 10 Jun 17:45 next collapse

Bruh wow

Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 17:45 next collapse

That’s kinda what I’m getting at. This isn’t R vs D, and further perpetuating that is lending into the division of the country that the powers that be want.

This is class war, always has been. Police are the arm wielding power of the rich, used to push down the working class.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Jun 23:00 collapse

Police unions give unions a bad name. Fucking thugs.

Brkdncr@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 18:00 next collapse

LAPD is better than it used to be but it’s still full of assholes.

LASD has been worse and probably still is.

Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Jun 21:35 next collapse

LAPD is notoriously corrupt and vile even among other police peers and has been for a long time. Its only competitor is the NYPD

ayyy@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 04:59 collapse

LAPD is not under the control of any government. They have literal warring gang factions within the LAPD. It is an occupying junta force.

Tracaine@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 17:26 next collapse

That’s in LA. It doesn’t count. They’re not people. /sarcasm

Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone on 10 Jun 17:35 collapse

Conservatives are unironically like this. They cheer when we have earthquakes and fires.

HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 19:27 collapse

As someone who lives in Hurricane Alley, have you tried just not living where earthquakes happen?

That seems to be the standard response of those in California when a hurricane hits my area…

Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone on 10 Jun 19:39 next collapse

Interesting that a Californian making a callous comment about living in hurricane country is somehow equivalent to the conservative media industry absolutely cheering bloodshed any time natural disasters strike us. 🙄 If California celebrated like this any time, much less every time, a natural disaster hit somewhere else it would have its own dedicated conservative channel playing it on loop.

I’ve lived through multiple hurricanes because I haven’t always lived in California. People from everywhere say that stupid shit about hurricane prone areas. Take the chip off your shoulder.

HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 20:31 collapse

It’s more than a callous comment. It is the epitome of victim blaming, and the fact that you are attempting to make apologies for it is telling.

Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone on 10 Jun 20:56 next collapse

Go have this fight with someone that wants to have it and didn’t make it clear that kind of behavior isn’t alright. Maybe somewhere other than on a thread about cops threatening to come assault protesters in their homes.

HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 22:09 collapse

It’s a very personal issue for me.

I lost everything and had to start over with little more then the clothes on my back, and then to hear people say I should’ve just moved?

ayyy@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 05:04 collapse

Did you hear that from the president and the press? Or just random assholes on the internet?

HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 10:04 collapse

All of the above

ayyy@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 15:56 next collapse

Which president said that?

ayyy@sh.itjust.works on 14 Jun 05:51 collapse

Was it Biden? Obama?

scintilla@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Jun 22:11 collapse

I’m someone that is from tornado alley. I celebrate when they get hit now because it means that they have to experience the consequences of their actions.

My family is still there and I hope they can get out but, most of the people I met their would shake your hand while stabbing people like me in the back.

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 23:32 collapse

You won’t have much of a choice when FEMA is gone. I mean, less and less people will have homes there anymore.

HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 10:30 collapse

Right, because nobody lived here prior to the existence of FEMA.

I, for the life of me, cannot understand how people can look at the history of what our, and most other governments have done, and then say, “Hey, you know what? We need more of that!”

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 12:16 collapse

Yeah, it’s not like there’s a reason fewer and fewer insurance companies will write a policy in that state every year. It’s not like the property insurance rates are the highest in the country.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 17:29 next collapse

Shouting from a helicopter “Please disperse because we’ll come to your house and murder your families if you don’t” sounds like an actionable threat. And helicopters are difficult to fly on a good day. Would be a shame if someone up there had an accident.

anotherandrew@mbin.mixdown.ca on 11 Jun 02:49 next collapse

I don’t know about you but if I’m on the ground (protesting or not) the last thing I want is a helicopter coming down anywhere near me.

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 18:32 collapse

Tangling hazards

Magister@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 17:30 next collapse

This first thing you should do when going protesting, is to leave your phone at home.

thedruid@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 17:36 next collapse

Radios or mesh devices only

UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works on 10 Jun 17:37 next collapse

And cover up your face and any visible tattoos or any other identifying features

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 17:53 collapse

Put a rock in your shoe too. Gait identification can be shockingly accurate.

jellygoose@lemmy.ca on 12 Jun 08:37 collapse

Dune sand walking

MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 18:13 next collapse

Having a small faraday bag around is useful too, that’s what I do.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 22:11 next collapse

I wouldn’t trust a foil bag to do anything 100%.

the only 100% way to not be caught is not bring it.

it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Jun 22:57 next collapse

I mean, a proper Faraday cage will block anything unless the US government has figured out how to break the laws of physics…

jerkface@lemmy.ca on 10 Jun 23:17 next collapse

A proper Faraday cage, a truly excellent one, just the most Faraday of all the cages, is easily defeated by physical attacks such as getting your phone cloned when you get mass arrested and summarily released on OR.

throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 02:02 collapse

Faraday cage does not prevent gyroscopes and accelerometers from working. Then if you remove it from a faraday cage in the future, it will transmit all that movement

frezik@midwest.social on 11 Jun 13:22 next collapse

Since you’re posting this all over the thread, I’ll also have to repeat the information that gyro/accelerometers are not capable of doing that. Small measurement errors stack up and throw it completely off.

tamman2000@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 13:36 next collapse

Without GPS or tower based error correction any location prediction based on conservation of momentum in the phone will be useless before very long if the phone is moving.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Jun 14:56 collapse

Sounds theoretically possible I guess…

MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 23:03 collapse

I’m talking about an actual faraday bag, not a foil bag. That, combined with a powered off device keeps you fairly protected. They aren’t going to get into your phone if it’s powered off.

it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”

There’s going to be a deviation in usage regardless, it’s not providing an alibi. A gap of time when you’re not using your device that you normally would be is a marker they look for. They key is keeping them locked out (again, power them off).

throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 02:00 next collapse

Not good enough. Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer, then if at any point in the future, you remove it from the faraday cage, your entire movement logs are transmitted.

MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 02:54 next collapse

Unless your device is already compromised, that information isnt being logged when the device is powered off so it’s kind of moot.

glitch1985@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 05:00 next collapse

“powered off”

Unless I’m holding the battery in one hand and the phone in the other I don’t trust it being turned off either.

MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 06:25 collapse

The reason it being turned off matters is because LE has a significantly more difficult time extracting data from that state. And again, a proper faraday bag prevents signal leak.

You guys are welcome to do what you want, I’m just explaining the best way to stay safe if you don’t want to leave your phone at home. There are plenty of legitimate reasons someone may want one as a lifeline just in case.

echodot@feddit.uk on 11 Jun 09:56 collapse

My concern would be that the police would confiscate my phone. Not that they would necessarily be anything on it, but I don’t want them to have my nice expensive phone. They can have this crappy cheap one instead.

tamman2000@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 13:37 next collapse

Do you have a recommendation for a good cheap android phone (didn’t worry, I’ll run a rom) that one could get to have a “clean” phone?

I’ve been thinking about getting a phone that has none of my socials on it for when I go to Canada to get vaccines

frezik@midwest.social on 11 Jun 15:41 next collapse

Pixel 6 is the minimum that can load up GrapheneOS. Those are like $130 on eBay.

Pixel 8/9 does have some CPU features that help separate memory, which can be useful for keeping apps from creeping on memory they shouldn’t.

echodot@feddit.uk on 13 Jun 06:49 collapse

A pixel 6a is a good idea as the other commenter said but depending on what you’re after you could get a fairly cheap second hand Samsung for about the same price.

That has the advantage of legitimately looking like it might actually be your phone that you’ve had for some time. In the same manner you could also get an old iPhone. It’ll have a cracked screen because every iPhone older than 6 months has a cracked screen but the whole point is to be an unattractive decoy, you want the most average boring looking phone possible so there’s nothing for them to be suspicious about.

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 18:29 collapse

Load the foam with Iranian counter interceptor malware and infect the oppressor from inside. Give them spiked ammo.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 01:52 collapse

sounds good, where can we obtain it?

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 05:17 collapse

Any software defined radio that can transmit on these bands and RF amplifiers.

The ham radio community also has all the information on how to build them out of of basic components, power RF transistors being the most expensive components, but that is still dollars not tens of dollars.

Sometimes ready made gps jammers can be obtained off the shelf from overseas markets outside of the hegemon’s reach. But active protest does require being smart about it. No point in just causing irritation with the population while leaving the enemy able to operate unencumbered. That means performing observation, OSINT, signals intelligence to understand their system and find their weaknesses.

They will have covered most vulnerabilities from their own guerilla warfare manuals so study those and find their blind spots. Find where they have become overconfident in their hardware’s ability. Where they have started taking from granted technologies that remain only reliable in peacetime.

Use their systems against them

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 01:51 collapse

when a large, trump supporter corporation, with its main business being habit and environment tracking based personalized advertising, has so deep access to your phone as it literally builfs the operating system for it, maybe it is indeed already compromised.

echodot@feddit.uk on 11 Jun 09:55 next collapse

I don’t think their gyroscopes are good enough for that level of inertial navigation. You could just fling it around tossing it up in the air and down again, that would totally mess with its navigation.

The far greater threat is that you just have the phone taken off you. For that reason alone you should use a burner, but I don’t think you should be worried that they can track you based on gyroscope history.

drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Jun 10:29 collapse

Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer

This is plainly false.

The error stack-up from the imprecision of a phone’s MEMS sensors would make positioning basically impossible after a couple of dozen feet, let alone after hours of walking around.

There are experimental inertial navigation systems that can do what you describe, but they use ultra sensitive magnetometers to detect tiny changes in the behavior of laser suspended ultra cold gas clouds that are only a few hundred atoms large. That is not inside your phone.

masta_chief@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 11:58 collapse

You seem to know a lot about this. I’m just generally fascinated by this method of tracking. Would the sensors ever become accurate enough in the future? Or is there a limit to their accuracy due to physics with a small sensor?

tamman2000@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 13:42 collapse

It will always be a matter of “for how long?”. Location from integrated acceleration is what we call a stiff problem. Meaning that any error is compounded as you continue to integrate (slight over simplification, but good enough for the point). There will never be a sensor that has zero error, so it’s just a question of how much integration you can do before the errors make the results unusable.

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Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works on 10 Jun 22:41 next collapse

If you think you need a phone, it should be a burner.

throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 01:58 collapse

That burner cant ever have connected to a cell tower when its near your house, otherwise its not longer a “burner”

Edit: Also: Beware of the possibility of there being malware that logs gyroscope and accelerometer data. Those info can be used to figure out your location, then transmitted whenever it has a chance.

iAvicenna@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 07:15 next collapse

That gives me a good idea. A week before the protest buy burners, use them frequently near republican supporters’ house, go to a protest, use your phone all the time in the protest, dump them near the police, let them enjoy the fruits of the regime they supported.

masta_chief@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 11:54 next collapse

Diabolical. In theory, of course. Definitely just in theory.

Olhonestjim@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 12:34 collapse

Gotta clean and sterilize them.

frezik@midwest.social on 11 Jun 13:19 collapse

Gyro/accelerometer data isn’t accurate enough to do that. Small errors in the data add up and will quickly drift away from the actual location. You can use it for video game controllers, but not tracking over large distances. Edit: there’s a reason the best VR tracking often uses external methods, not controllers alone.

But most phones have GPS and that’s where the real problem is.

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 18:24 collapse

Gps jammers should be peaceful protest standard issue, along with stinkwater drone, foamweapons and open source open hardware anti air missiles

frezik@midwest.social on 11 Jun 19:48 collapse

Just so we’re all aware, GPS jammers will invite the interest of the FCC. Now, protests aren’t about being well-behaved, but just know that there’s an entirely different federal agency being brought in.

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 23:52 collapse

Well, the cops are here with helicopters, tanks and militarized surveillance, at this point inviting jurisdiction conflicts while also disrupting enemy wireless communication, that feels like a strategic improvement and imposing another dimension of complexity to failing state organs. From crashing their drones, to spoofing their chain of command to blinding and silencing their recon units, neglecting the electromagnetic spectrum is ceding battlespace to the enemy.

arrow74@lemm.ee on 11 Jun 03:10 next collapse

I bring my phone. I likely won’t be breaking any laws, and I can afford a lawyer. So yeah arrest me and waste the system’s time. Just another data point they have to sort.

And if it gets to the point where none of that matters we were cooked anyway

ayyy@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 04:55 next collapse

Lawyers operate in courts. We don’t have due process anymore.

echodot@feddit.uk on 11 Jun 09:49 next collapse

Just go out wearing a MAGA hat. They only have small brains it’ll probably confuse them.

Like how insects are always pretending to be wasps so they don’t get eaten, see it’s scientific.

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 10:10 collapse

Or even just dress how they’d expect their own to dress, don’t even need a dumbass hat. I wear an old tan leather jacket and a Swedish combat cap which apparently translates to friend for them. Also applies to the anarchists though, they see my clothes as friendly.

arrow74@lemm.ee on 11 Jun 11:14 collapse

Then as I said we’re already cooked. But also that is demonstrably false anyway. Our judiciary is under heavy threat, but still functioning

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 18:31 collapse

Barely functionning isn’t good enough, it has to be beyond reproach but today it has daily miscarriages.

Saleh@feddit.org on 11 Jun 10:28 collapse

Police issues a dispersal order, but blocks all routes to safely leave the area.

Congratulations, you will now be charged as having committed a crime and good luck proving in a court that there was no realistic option for you to leave.

Also police seizes your phone. Congratulations now they access your data and either go after people you have had contact with or they claim you to be part of a criminal organization as they pin other charges on people they found a connection with.

arrow74@lemm.ee on 11 Jun 11:13 next collapse

I doubt they will find anything of use. The most powerful thing I can do is slow them down. It’s the best use of my privilege

frezik@midwest.social on 11 Jun 13:23 collapse

This is the sort of nuts and bolts of protesting that Americans are learning the hard and fast way.

iAvicenna@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 07:12 collapse

and cover your face if you are in a shithole country like USA, Turkey, Russia etc

JunglisticFunkateer@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 17:09 collapse

USA … the world’s richest third world country.

BackwardsUntoDawn@infosec.pub on 10 Jun 17:32 next collapse

though the actual audio sounds like they’re making a joke, they could very well have the plates and do that

foggenbooty@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 22:41 collapse

This would likely be done through cell phone tracking devices like a stingray, not plates. I don’t know how many people are in their cars at a protest.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 18:31 next collapse

Those Republicans should just think of a practical 2A air defense solution

lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org on 10 Jun 18:31 next collapse

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venusaur@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 18:50 next collapse

Let them prove it and out themselves

conditional_soup@lemm.ee on 10 Jun 19:02 next collapse

Talking a whole lot of shit for someone riding around in a machine that will find literally any excuse to break down. Helicopters are sketchy as fuck, and even if you manage to autorotate perfectly to try and recover from a stall, you’re still liable to suffer severe or fatal injuries. It’s super easy to crash due to human error or some kind of mechanical failure.

SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org on 10 Jun 21:58 collapse

A well kept helicopter is a reliable machine as any other, but it's true that it's probably a civil heli with extra cop stuff, ergo easy to down with some fuckery.

yeather@lemmy.ca on 11 Jun 05:18 next collapse

Good thing fireworks are easy to find this time of year.

tamman2000@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 14:41 collapse

Even a well maintained helicopter is a safety nightmare.

I started my career in aerospace at a company that makes helicopter engines and later I became a search and rescue mountaineer/EMT in a county with more helicopters used for SAR than anywhere else in the US. We beat it into our new members “never pass up the opportunity to turn down a helicopter ride”.

The mountain rescue association tracks member fatalities and injuries. Helicopter accidents are, by a large margin, the leading cause of line of duty death in mountain rescue, and we spend only a couple percent of our time in them.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 17:53 next collapse

Planes are safer. So is the ground.

Helicopters can’t control decent in failure situations. Helos are a safety hazard period. I’m with the never pass up an opportunity to decline a helo ride crew above.

tamman2000@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 18:15 collapse

I mean, you do have some control during autorotation descent, but it’s at best an extremely hard landing if your pilot is really skilled. They build crumple zones into the seat mounts for them.

It’s a pretty cool technique. You adjust your rotor pitch to let you fall faster which let you put/keep angular momentum into your rotor, then at the last minute before slamming into the ground you pull hard on the collective and turn all that angular momentum in your rotor into lift to make it so that you don’t slam the ground at full speed. You can manipulate the cyclic control (direction controls) during autorotation, but you’re spinning the whole time, so it’s very hard to guide an autorotation to a specific landing area.

SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org on 11 Jun 21:33 collapse

You're 'spinning the whole time' only if you lose the tail rotor, but in autorotation you're basically gliding, please don't mix stuff up. There are enough misconceptions about helicopters around.

tamman2000@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 00:42 collapse

Are you a helicopter pilot? I thought you rotated with power out, just not as fast as you would without the tail rotor. I could be wrong… I only worked on the engines and used them as a passenger. I’ve only flown sail planes…

SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org on 12 Jun 23:33 collapse

I worked as licensed body and engine maintenance and ground crew, and gone on maintenance and transfer flights. Basically autorotation is like on planes, when engines crap out you glide and aim to do an emergency landing, since the rotor isn't a big fan, it's a rotating wing. While descending, the rotor spins and allows the gliding while slowing down the fall, like maple seeds; when near the ground the pilot can use the residual rotation energy to make a soft landing, like you said.

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 17:57 collapse

Indeed, one of the few mainstream machines where the smallest of human error, mechanical failure, or hell just bad unexpected weather, doesn’t just bring you to a stop, but a deadly rapid unplanned disassembly. Screw that.

SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org on 12 Jun 23:33 collapse

This simply isn't true. When well piloted and maintained, an helicopter is a safe and sound machine, not a LoonyTunes gag.

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 03:53 collapse

Less safe than driving per mile traveled, which is arguably not very safe.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 22:09 next collapse

sounds like a good reason to target any helicopters flying overhead with green lasers.

Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world on 10 Jun 22:39 next collapse

Think a drone could get up above it and drop something into the propeller?

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 10 Jun 22:41 collapse

Drop it on the tail prop so they start spinning and get hella dizza and throw up.

glitch1985@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 04:54 collapse

I would be shocked if they aren’t equipped with puke bags for such an event and then your plan is foiled.

Saleh@feddit.org on 11 Jun 10:25 next collapse
tamman2000@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 14:30 collapse

I used helicopters a lot when I was on mountain rescue.

I never saw an air sick bag

FourWaveforms@lemm.ee on 11 Jun 19:26 collapse

That’s just impolite.

shalafi@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 00:42 next collapse

And now the DEA’s got a chopper in the air,

I wake up screamin’ like I’m back over there,

I learned a thing or two from Charlie, don’t you know?

You better stay away from Copperhead Road.

bendovertherainbow@lemmy.zip on 11 Jun 17:47 next collapse

Someone I know is a military pilot. The green lasers were especially rough, because the light would get spread through the entire cockpit getting split up by the windshield, and even worse when he was flying with nightvision.

… do with this information what you will.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 17:50 collapse

Federal offense and highly illegal. They take this extremely serious. Whatever target you were before, expect and multiple time increase in tracking doing this. They will make an example of you.

Source. Local police chases and FAA raids/reporting. Do not do this. You’d be better off finding another method.

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 18:18 next collapse

Well there’s open source open hardware anti-air missiles.

Also it sounds innocuous and green laser diodes cost 2$ so if everyone has them they won’t be able to single out anyone.

Also when tghe copters are down, how are they going to track you? Drones, but that’s the real purpose of the laser CCDs fry much much easier than eyes.

The surveillance state will not stop by beingpolitely ask but by being physically dismantled. The alternative is perpetual subjugation, the end of history, as far as you are concerned you become as useful and helpless as any other farm animal once this power becomes consolidated.

Our democracy is fake because of first past the post, ranked choice is a red herring. Proportionnal representation or your children will live in work farms. Like every fight before, this is an existential crisis for your perpetual subjugation.

They chose to make the sky a weapon, take the sky away from them.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 19:37 collapse

you know what else is illegal?

  • sending 500 Marines to quell a civil protest
  • deputizing police as ICE agents
  • yanking American citizens out of their homes because they aren’t white enough
  • sending Americans to a foreign prison system without trial

I don’t give a flying fuck what they think is illegal anymore since none of them give a shit about the rule of law anymore.

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jsomae@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 00:08 collapse

the helicopter is the flying fuck

shalafi@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 00:46 next collapse

Can you imagine 6 dudes with AR-15s, nothing fancy, responding that that threat? One wonders what might happen.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 14:20 collapse

If gta has taught me anything is that one well placed shot from a measly handgun can take down a chopper

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jun 18:07 next collapse

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interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 18:22 collapse

Even armored helicopters are very vulnerable, flying things cannot afford to be sturdy.

Flying oppressors beware, you live on borrowed time. Tail section, fuel tank, tangling hazards (steel wire spool, fast unspooling from above)

They made tge sky a weapon, take away the sky from everyone. Same with radios.

KAYDUBELL@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 05:54 next collapse

Then fucking come over assholes

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 06:51 next collapse

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Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Jun 10:24 next collapse

One wonders just how viable the Ukranian strategy would be to take out LAPD choppers (when landed, of course).

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Corn@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 01:56 collapse

Sure, they can work with the Hong Kong protesters, Lamas, and Cuban patriots. Maybe some Free Syra Army guys can help too.

Olhonestjim@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 12:33 next collapse

Green lasers. Everybody should have one.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 17:54 collapse

Check comment above. This is a terrible idea. You’ll go from 2 stars to 5.

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 18:08 next collapse

But they won’t have copters to track you down and green lasers take out CCDs like nothing else. If they wanted to fly they shouldn’t have weaponized the sky and flight.

Olhonestjim@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 22:17 collapse

They have sonic weapons. They run over people with horses and armored vehicles.

atlien51@lemm.ee on 11 Jun 13:58 next collapse

LOL

From the country meant to represent freedom. No more!

Bloomcole@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 14:09 collapse

Never was

atlien51@lemm.ee on 11 Jun 20:51 collapse

Wait wdym? Not even in the 18th-19th century?

dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Jun 22:31 next collapse

correct, see for example the reactions to the US’s decision to invade and seize territory from Mexico, which was largely seen as a betrayal of liberal values that the country was supposedly founded on. Don’t worry, the US isn’t the only country to justify their revolution with promises of liberal ideals like freedom and equality only to expose their true priorities later (namely giving local colonial elites more power than those ruling monarchs in Europe). I recommend reading the chapter on Bolivarian revolutions from the history book Born in Blood and Fire: A Concise History of Latin America for more about the disappointments and failures of liberal revolutions to live up to their promises.

Corn@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 01:50 next collapse

No, even in 1776, there were contemporaries who mocked a bunch of rich slave owners talking about freedom while stealing land from native americans. American freedom had always been the freedom for the ruling class to exploit the underclass.

Bloomcole@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 09:10 collapse

To ad to others that already commented:
Brutal colonialism and imperialism, Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Philippines to name only a few.

Bloomcole@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 14:10 next collapse

The helicopter said all this?
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/1c5be41e-d21a-4f36-bf71-f225509350b5.jpeg">

frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world on 11 Jun 15:03 collapse

omg I remember that show lmfao

frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world on 11 Jun 15:03 next collapse

America land of the free /s

daggermoon@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 17:19 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/94b1dba0-14a7-4125-8063-93bcbcbdd4c9.jpeg">

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 17:39 next collapse

Checking out women sunbathing in backyards or other places.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 17:47 next collapse

What about walkie talkies? Short wave radios? Older tech comms devices?

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 11 Jun 18:05 collapse

What about open source open hardware anti-air missiles?

goldenquetzal@lemmy.world on 11 Jun 22:22 next collapse

Follow Hong Kong tactics and use umbrellas to shield from above.

Taleya@aussie.zone on 11 Jun 22:41 next collapse

Laser pointer

jsomae@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 00:08 next collapse

Is it plausible this might cause the helicopter to crash somehow? I wouldn’t want to risk that.

Edit: can’t believe people be downvoting this. Y’all have no idea how catastrophic a helicopter crash could be. But if you’re downvoting because you think the answer is obvious and I’m stupid, I respect that.

_g_be@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 08:09 collapse

No no, couldn’t have that, would be a shame

pupbiru@aussie.zone on 12 Jun 08:28 collapse

a helicopter crash in a populated area has a high likelihood of collateral damage

Zetta@mander.xyz on 12 Jun 09:57 collapse

They’d come kill you for that.

Taleya@aussie.zone on 12 Jun 10:54 collapse

they’re already on the verge of it, may as well hang for a sheep

TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee on 12 Jun 00:03 next collapse

What’s wrong is that officers of the law are allowed to lie like that, yet still want to be respected.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jun 00:05 next collapse

Yeah, it’s frustrating. We need to end Qualified Immunity pronto.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 00:38 collapse

In lying’s defense, they shouldn’t be respected when they say that regardless of its truthiness

mriswith@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 10:10 collapse

Threatened? So they didn’t ID them.