le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Mar 2024 23:18
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trust takes years to build but it can evaporate in seconds. mozilla associating with these people is very bad rep, won’t help them develop further.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Mar 2024 20:49
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Didn’t read the article, hm?
le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Mar 2024 08:36
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What you mean? I’m saying Mozilla associating with them is bad rep, whatever if they backpack a month later.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Mar 2024 14:24
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They partnered with them before this came out, and the moment it came out they cut ties.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:17
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And the fact this wasn’t caught sooner means Mozilla doesn’t do any due diligence and aren’t to be trusted being a privacy-focused business.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Mar 2024 17:28
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This information didn’t come to light until very recently.
It’s also not information that would be easily known without disclosure of some kind. It’s trivial to keep your name out of plain view when you own a business.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:17
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Don’t feel bad about the downvotes, normal people understand how this should have never happened in the first place but terminally online nerds will defend Mozilla to their dying breath.
le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Mar 2024 23:49
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Yeah, I’m myself a Firefox user but it doesn’t mean i can’t criticize when Mozilla does something wrong. In business you’re responsible to who you associate with, that’s business 101. i fail to understand why people in here disagree but to be honest I’m not sure it’s the business elite hanging around here considering the amount of comment I see promoting communism/ socialism and how bad capitalism is 😭
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:16
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Look at how downvoted you are for stating this simple fact. Lemmy is a fucking dumpster fire.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Mar 2024 17:54
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Then leave. Bye.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 23 Mar 2024 00:14
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Good news is that Arc for Windows is coming out of open beta soon. Finally time for me to ditch Firefox.
I think it was a pun. Arc is built on the same engine as Edge.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 23 Mar 2024 06:59
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So built on chromium?
Explains why no matter what it will be down voted here. People simp for a company who has the majority of all profits from a company they hate, and call them legit.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 23 Mar 2024 17:44
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Yep, built on Chromium.
But it’s okay, I kinda like the downvote game here and pissing off the extremists who baby raged on over after Reddit’s API change.
Arc is the first company actually innovating in the browser space in two decades and I’ll happily accept that work being done on top of an open-source base that Google doesn’t control that much.
mox@lemmy.sdf.org
on 23 Mar 2024 22:55
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open-source base that Google doesn’t control that much.
My interactions with people who work with Chromium’s code a lot, and with maintainers of open-source projects that use that code (like LineageOS), has given me a very different impression.
(The downvotes aren’t from me, though. I don’t think they’re a useful way to express disagreement.)
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Mar 2024 12:03
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But it’s okay, I kinda like the downvote game here and pissing off the extremists who baby raged on over after Reddit’s API change.
Imagine being annoyed that the only way the site resembles functional in any way was taken away from you, while the CEO of the site also spews stacks of provably false lies and personal attacks at the people who actually made the site function.
And even for the crazy people that were somehow OK with the terrible desktop experience, their experience was still reliant on third party apps, because they’re the ones who made all of the modding tools necessary just to handle obvious blatant spam.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:20
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Look at this comment with -20 downvotes and tell me this place isn’t an echo chamber filled with one way to think.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 23 Mar 2024 17:12
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Am I? For ditching a product that sold out my personal info by using a paid-for service designed to protect my privacy?
I gave Mozilla their chance and they pulled this shit.
TheFriar@lemm.ee
on 23 Mar 2024 19:18
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The article is about them cutting ties with the company after finding out the CEO of the partner company was doing something bad for privacy. Mozilla, as far as we know at this point, isn’t guilty of anything bad except maybe not thoroughly digging into the CEO of this other company’s past thoroughly enough. Mozilla was not profiting off of selling your data. They’re not even sure if the other company was directly using their “privacy” service to benefit the CEO’s data harvesting company, just that he had been doing data harvesting, and then started a “privacy” company to remove data from the data aggregating sites, like the exact ones he funded.
So, are you sure you’re clear on what happened? Because Mozilla rectified an oversight on their part after they discovered a partner company’s executive had ties to the exact industry they were supposed to be fighting.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:00
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Yes, and they never should have been in that position to begin with. Mozilla’s extreme lack of due diligence has lost my trust for every other service they offer. Is that so hard to understand? Or is your head so far up Mozilla’s ass that you can’t see the obvious?
lol what an insanely combative position to take. It’s a breakdown in due diligence, for sure. No argument there.
But an “extreme lack?” No, not really. It’s easy for them to overlook something like this. I’m not a corporate investigative person at all, so I don’t know the proper procedures. But checking into executive holdings and business history seems, I dunno, like something that probably isn’t done very often—if at all. Especially when that CEO is a foreign national.
Yeah, they shouldve—but that’s easy to say now that something like this has happened. The company the guy worked for was the one to uncover it—so the company that put him in charge didn’t catch it before giving him the position. So, really, it’s a breakdown on the cybersecurity outfit’s protocol, and Mozilla got dragged into this while being twice removed from it.
Look, I’m not a huge Mozilla stan or anything. I hadn’t been using Firefox for a long time, I’d been a DDG browser user, before that Brave. But, brave runs on chromium not to mention all their nonsense with crypto, so I bailed on them and went to DDG. And then recently only switched back to Firefox. So you’re barking up the wrong tree on your stupid crusade to try to paint me as someone with my head up Mozilla’s ass.
From where I stand, they happen to be one of the best browsers these days, especially for privacy. I used to have speed issues with it, which is why I bailed on it so long ago. If this information came out and they decided to stick with this company after the company failed to properly vet their CEO? Yeah, I’d be pissed. But they’re taking an extra step in cutting ties with a company they’d been doing business with for a month, after they are rectifying their own mistake.
Use Firefox, don’t use Firefox, I couldn’t give one shit less. But it just seemed like you misunderstood what happened, took a strong stance, and now are just digging your heels in. It just seems…dumb. But like I said, do whatever the fuck you want. You just kinda seem like an asshole. No offense.
prole@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Mar 2024 13:00
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Yeah just an honest broker looking for the best product right? So much so that you weren’t even willing to correctly parse the title of the article, and took it to mean the complete opposite of what it actually says.
Right.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:09
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What did I fail to understand? That Mozilla didn’t do their due diligence and went into business with this person and only dropped them after damage to their customers was already done?
Let me be clear for your simple mind: Mozilla would have caught this if they looked into their business partners, but they failed to do that. So they lost my trust.
looking for the best product
And the best browser right now is Arc, which just opened up their Windows Beta to the public.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world
on 24 Mar 2024 16:40
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What damage? You’re all over this thread asserting something that doesn’t seem to have happened.
prole@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Mar 2024 14:46
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And the best browser right now is Arc, which just opened up their Windows Beta to the public
Lol, you do realize that ending your comment with a plug for a different browser doesn’t exactly make you look like an honest broker… Just a heads up for next time.
foggy@lemmy.world
on 23 Mar 2024 00:40
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Been saying Mozilla is headed downhill for a year now.
Always catch a ton of downvotes.
Still my daily driver. But I’m ready to jump ship.
pycorax@lemmy.world
on 23 Mar 2024 03:35
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Jump to what? Another Chromium based browser?
madsen@lemmy.world
on 23 Mar 2024 04:40
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It’s not Mozilla’s CEO that’s doing anything shady here, it’s a partner company, OneRep.
Edit: And Mozilla is breaking up with OneRep because of it. (Just in case someone had missed that part.)
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:11
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Breaking up before or after they were doing business with OneRep? Because they should have caught this before any of their customers ever paid for it.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:02
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I’ve come to the conclusion that Lemmy is a dumpster fire filled with terminally online nerds living in their mom’s basement. It’s even worse than Reddit.
Like Mozilla offered a paid service designed to protect your privacy that just made your privacy worse than if you did nothing at all, and these NEETs want you to think it’s okay because they fired the company after the damage was already done.
And you’ll get mass downvotes for saying that’s a shitty thing to do.
Totally agree. Lemmy is actually worse than Reddit. And yeah obviously Mozilla should take heat for this. I don’t get why people get so butt hurt when people make valid criticisms. Most of the “people” here seem to just parrot the same narrative. So much for the fediverse being less agitprop, spam filled garbage
Contramuffin@lemmy.world
on 23 Mar 2024 04:00
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Nobody here seems to have read the article, so to clear things up: Onerep’s CEO is the one running the people-search networks. Mozilla’s CEO was not. (As far as we know.)
Mozilla dropping Onerep is a good thing. It shows that they respect user privacy.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 23 Mar 2024 06:43
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Incredible.
Mozilla does something good for privacy and the comment section goes crazy about it saying Mozilla is evil.
Mozilla found out that the CEO of a company they’re in a partnership with ran a company that isn’t great from a privacy perspective, so Mozilla promptly cut ties. That’s it. That’s the story.
prole@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Mar 2024 12:58
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The Firefox hate seems so irrational to me. Like it’s not completely natural or something. People were SO QUICK to come here and shit talk Mozilla without giving the actual content of the article a second thought to realize that this makes them look good.
Shouted@programming.dev
on 24 Mar 2024 16:15
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Is it so hard to understand that people feel burned by a paid-for service that promised better privacy actually selling out your info because Mozilla didn’t do the bare basic due diligence?
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world
on 24 Mar 2024 16:38
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I don’t see any allegations that the company they partnered with was selling out your info. Just that the CEO of that company was involved in other companies that weren’t privacy friendly.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 24 Mar 2024 22:52
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They weren’t selling data. You’re either misunderstanding or making shit up.
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trust takes years to build but it can evaporate in seconds. mozilla associating with these people is very bad rep, won’t help them develop further.
Didn’t read the article, hm?
What you mean? I’m saying Mozilla associating with them is bad rep, whatever if they backpack a month later.
They partnered with them before this came out, and the moment it came out they cut ties.
And the fact this wasn’t caught sooner means Mozilla doesn’t do any due diligence and aren’t to be trusted being a privacy-focused business.
This information didn’t come to light until very recently.
It’s also not information that would be easily known without disclosure of some kind. It’s trivial to keep your name out of plain view when you own a business.
Yeah. Basically Mozilla is awesome. Such logic
Don’t feel bad about the downvotes, normal people understand how this should have never happened in the first place but terminally online nerds will defend Mozilla to their dying breath.
Yeah, I’m myself a Firefox user but it doesn’t mean i can’t criticize when Mozilla does something wrong. In business you’re responsible to who you associate with, that’s business 101. i fail to understand why people in here disagree but to be honest I’m not sure it’s the business elite hanging around here considering the amount of comment I see promoting communism/ socialism and how bad capitalism is 😭
Look at how downvoted you are for stating this simple fact. Lemmy is a fucking dumpster fire.
Then leave. Bye.
Good news is that Arc for Windows is coming out of open beta soon. Finally time for me to ditch Firefox.
Youre so cool and edgy.
Freedom of choice… How is that edgy?
I think it was a pun. Arc is built on the same engine as Edge.
So built on chromium?
Explains why no matter what it will be down voted here. People simp for a company who has the majority of all profits from a company they hate, and call them legit.
Yep, built on Chromium.
But it’s okay, I kinda like the downvote game here and pissing off the extremists who baby raged on over after Reddit’s API change.
Arc is the first company actually innovating in the browser space in two decades and I’ll happily accept that work being done on top of an open-source base that Google doesn’t control that much.
My interactions with people who work with Chromium’s code a lot, and with maintainers of open-source projects that use that code (like LineageOS), has given me a very different impression.
(The downvotes aren’t from me, though. I don’t think they’re a useful way to express disagreement.)
Imagine being annoyed that the only way the site resembles functional in any way was taken away from you, while the CEO of the site also spews stacks of provably false lies and personal attacks at the people who actually made the site function.
And even for the crazy people that were somehow OK with the terrible desktop experience, their experience was still reliant on third party apps, because they’re the ones who made all of the modding tools necessary just to handle obvious blatant spam.
Look at this comment with -20 downvotes and tell me this place isn’t an echo chamber filled with one way to think.
sh.itjust.works/comment/10163765
I’ll take Reddit’s shitty practices over this place’s community.
Because Reddit isn’t an echo chamber.
Reddit doesn’t just have shitty practices. It is no longer functional to anything resembling an acceptable level.
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Am I? For ditching a product that sold out my personal info by using a paid-for service designed to protect my privacy?
I gave Mozilla their chance and they pulled this shit.
The article is about them cutting ties with the company after finding out the CEO of the partner company was doing something bad for privacy. Mozilla, as far as we know at this point, isn’t guilty of anything bad except maybe not thoroughly digging into the CEO of this other company’s past thoroughly enough. Mozilla was not profiting off of selling your data. They’re not even sure if the other company was directly using their “privacy” service to benefit the CEO’s data harvesting company, just that he had been doing data harvesting, and then started a “privacy” company to remove data from the data aggregating sites, like the exact ones he funded.
So, are you sure you’re clear on what happened? Because Mozilla rectified an oversight on their part after they discovered a partner company’s executive had ties to the exact industry they were supposed to be fighting.
Yes, and they never should have been in that position to begin with. Mozilla’s extreme lack of due diligence has lost my trust for every other service they offer. Is that so hard to understand? Or is your head so far up Mozilla’s ass that you can’t see the obvious?
lol what an insanely combative position to take. It’s a breakdown in due diligence, for sure. No argument there.
But an “extreme lack?” No, not really. It’s easy for them to overlook something like this. I’m not a corporate investigative person at all, so I don’t know the proper procedures. But checking into executive holdings and business history seems, I dunno, like something that probably isn’t done very often—if at all. Especially when that CEO is a foreign national.
Yeah, they shouldve—but that’s easy to say now that something like this has happened. The company the guy worked for was the one to uncover it—so the company that put him in charge didn’t catch it before giving him the position. So, really, it’s a breakdown on the cybersecurity outfit’s protocol, and Mozilla got dragged into this while being twice removed from it.
Look, I’m not a huge Mozilla stan or anything. I hadn’t been using Firefox for a long time, I’d been a DDG browser user, before that Brave. But, brave runs on chromium not to mention all their nonsense with crypto, so I bailed on them and went to DDG. And then recently only switched back to Firefox. So you’re barking up the wrong tree on your stupid crusade to try to paint me as someone with my head up Mozilla’s ass.
From where I stand, they happen to be one of the best browsers these days, especially for privacy. I used to have speed issues with it, which is why I bailed on it so long ago. If this information came out and they decided to stick with this company after the company failed to properly vet their CEO? Yeah, I’d be pissed. But they’re taking an extra step in cutting ties with a company they’d been doing business with for a month, after they are rectifying their own mistake.
Use Firefox, don’t use Firefox, I couldn’t give one shit less. But it just seemed like you misunderstood what happened, took a strong stance, and now are just digging your heels in. It just seems…dumb. But like I said, do whatever the fuck you want. You just kinda seem like an asshole. No offense.
Yeah just an honest broker looking for the best product right? So much so that you weren’t even willing to correctly parse the title of the article, and took it to mean the complete opposite of what it actually says.
Right.
What did I fail to understand? That Mozilla didn’t do their due diligence and went into business with this person and only dropped them after damage to their customers was already done?
Let me be clear for your simple mind: Mozilla would have caught this if they looked into their business partners, but they failed to do that. So they lost my trust.
And the best browser right now is Arc, which just opened up their Windows Beta to the public.
What damage? You’re all over this thread asserting something that doesn’t seem to have happened.
Lol, you do realize that ending your comment with a plug for a different browser doesn’t exactly make you look like an honest broker… Just a heads up for next time.
Been saying Mozilla is headed downhill for a year now.
Always catch a ton of downvotes.
Still my daily driver. But I’m ready to jump ship.
Jump to what? Another Chromium based browser?
It’s not Mozilla’s CEO that’s doing anything shady here, it’s a partner company, OneRep.
Edit: And Mozilla is breaking up with OneRep because of it. (Just in case someone had missed that part.)
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Breaking up before or after they were doing business with OneRep? Because they should have caught this before any of their customers ever paid for it.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Lemmy is a dumpster fire filled with terminally online nerds living in their mom’s basement. It’s even worse than Reddit.
Like Mozilla offered a paid service designed to protect your privacy that just made your privacy worse than if you did nothing at all, and these NEETs want you to think it’s okay because they fired the company after the damage was already done.
And you’ll get mass downvotes for saying that’s a shitty thing to do.
Totally agree. Lemmy is actually worse than Reddit. And yeah obviously Mozilla should take heat for this. I don’t get why people get so butt hurt when people make valid criticisms. Most of the “people” here seem to just parrot the same narrative. So much for the fediverse being less agitprop, spam filled garbage
Nobody here seems to have read the article, so to clear things up: Onerep’s CEO is the one running the people-search networks. Mozilla’s CEO was not. (As far as we know.)
Mozilla dropping Onerep is a good thing. It shows that they respect user privacy.
Incredible.
Mozilla does something good for privacy and the comment section goes crazy about it saying Mozilla is evil.
Mozilla found out that the CEO of a company they’re in a partnership with ran a company that isn’t great from a privacy perspective, so Mozilla promptly cut ties. That’s it. That’s the story.
The Firefox hate seems so irrational to me. Like it’s not completely natural or something. People were SO QUICK to come here and shit talk Mozilla without giving the actual content of the article a second thought to realize that this makes them look good.
Is it so hard to understand that people feel burned by a paid-for service that promised better privacy actually selling out your info because Mozilla didn’t do the bare basic due diligence?
I don’t see any allegations that the company they partnered with was selling out your info. Just that the CEO of that company was involved in other companies that weren’t privacy friendly.
They weren’t selling data. You’re either misunderstanding or making shit up.